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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 05, 2018, 11:38:20 AM »
so, Dublin have 2,060 club teams in total (adult+youth combined, from 2017 insurance report) and Longford have 211, but the argument is that both have 1 intercounty team so you ignore the amount of club work needed and just fund them equally ?

agh now seriously ! Even look at the amount of kids there are and the amount of coaching resources needed to cover them.

Maybe take the number of primary school kids as representative of the job of work that a county board has in training young players in schools. (Yes, some younger kids wont be trained, but as a comparison between a big county and a small county to work out ratios it is a reasonable start)
In Longford theres 5,365 kids in primary schools that the county board has to reach/ introduce the games to.
In Dublin theres 142,815 kids in primary schools that they are looking to expose to gaelic games.
That's 26 times more kids in Dublin than Longford, so to argue that both boards need equal (kids) development resources just because they have both 1 intercounty football team is a non argument.
Last year Dublin got €1.29million, Longford €120k in games development grants, 10 times more, yet they have 26 times more kids, so if you wanted to argue anything then Dublin could be said to be chronically underfunded per capita than the likes of Longford !

Compare it to Kildare instead (mentioned in the quoted article) where theres 29,748 school pupils, meaning Dublin has 4.8 times the amount of kids as Kildare. Kildare got €226k in central development grants last year, meaning that Dublin got 5.7 times the development grants that Kildare got - so in this case Dublin are over funded but not a 20 fold, 2000% difference like the article from Colm Keyes makes out.
(€40k extra for Kildare would leave them the same proportionate to the number of kids in their catchment )

CSO primary school stats :

its interesting to see how you can use stats associated with the numbers of kids in each county, kids who are the actual target for all this development spending, and when you aren't a paid journalist being told to make a headline grabbing article against the Dubs (for a paper whose main sales are outside the capital), you can show that the funding for Dublin mightn't be as crazily imbalanced as some make out.

Dublin have 26times more kids than a small county like Longford, and that has to be factored in in some way or other when claiming they get too much.

GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 05, 2018, 09:01:08 AM »

Debunk away so, enlighten us?
The other thing he and others do to get his headline grabbing numbers is divide the total funding by no. of registered gaa players in the county. Which is also completely misleading as it is common knowledge that these funds are also used to coach non registered kids in schools.

Would you agree based on the above that his numbers are incorrect and have been debunked?
worse, he does not use registered players, he uses registered members as per membership fees paid, which from looking at my home club - in the likes of a country county like Longford membership is about 30% active players and the rest auld lads long past their playing days supporting their club by paying full fees, and a distant hope of a chance of a ticket should the county ever do anything useful!
If you dont believe me, take these figures here in an article slating Dublins overfunding, which have senior "players" in Longford at 4400 players.

So is that 4400 figure even possible ? The CSO tells us that there's only 2200 males between 20 and 30 years old in the county. A long way from 4400 players.
In Longford there was 32 adult teams registered for insurance last year. Presuming a VERY healthy average panel of 30 players per team (and fat chance its that high),  that'd be a max of 960 players - again WAY lower than the 4400 adult players stated by and the CSO figures from here : and the number of registered teams in each county here :
Nevertheless, aside from the adult figures just being chronically wrong using members rather than players but calling it players, a per capita figure for development funding which is provided to coach kids should be divided by number of kids coached, not number of adult players (and definitely not a hotch potch number of players including heaps of loyal auld lads paying fees) .

Dublin dont need the levels of development funding any more as it's obvious that they can fund it themselves through way more sponsorship than anyone else, but arguing they are paid too much per capita should at least use the correct numbers and I havent seen an article yet with figures that make sense.

GAA Discussion / Re: Power struggle within Croke Park?
« on: July 02, 2018, 11:25:21 AM »
I keep forgetting about McStay & the Hyde.
If Ryan and Horan leaned on the CCCC for that and again for Newbridge, I'd imagine the relationship is a bit frosty right now.
the CCCC is appointed by Horan so I presume if they have a problem he could un-appoint them.

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« on: June 11, 2018, 03:26:43 PM »
on the gaa website the Mayo Tipp game has the sky logo beside it, Cork Kerry munster second round final, at 7 on RTE.

If the first game overruns then there'll not be the messing like last weekend.

GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« on: June 11, 2018, 11:51:43 AM »
Tipp v Mayo will be the TV game.
you'd think so, but given the opposition in Mayo to having their games on pay tv, maybe it'd be prudent to give them their wish and show someone else that might appreciate being on telly !

GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: June 04, 2018, 05:19:09 PM »
was going to say something similar. Seeing Tyrone and Armagh already knocked out in the first game doesn't help the attendance figures as their supporters tend to travel in numbers, if the game is good. 
If you look over the attendances over the years, Down can also contribute to a tidy overall average as you'd have 15000 in Newry for a home game against Tyrone or Armagh (of course also helped by away supporters), but this year only 5000 bothered turning up to see them hammer Antrim.

As for why Donegal v Cavan attendance was relatively low, I'd say the cavan following was low enough given that there wasnt much hope of a win with the injury situation, not least with star player McVeety, and most likely the game wasnt that attractive for the Donegal supporters to have them turn out in force, for what was only a preliminary game, and with potentially another 3 match days out to shell out cash for for travel and tickets in the Ulster championship .

GAA Discussion / Re: GAAGO where are you?
« on: June 04, 2018, 03:12:37 PM »
No sky games on GB pass definitely.

It’s wonder though in this day and age that the GAA aren’t streaming all games online. They already have the cameras for the highlights so why not let people pay to watch games that aren’t broadcast on tv. Meath were broadcasting the O’Byrne Cup games through the official app so I don’t think it’s much to set up. I can’t get home for games as often these days so I’d love to have something like this.
there's been murmurings of doing something regarding a GAA Tv channel, and I see it as being inevitable that happen at some stage in the future, but I'd be surprised if it happened before the end of this media rights deal which is another 4 years to run.

The GAA can't introduce anything new into Ireland until that deal is gone, as they aren't going to give any goodies to the folks abroad which would pish off people at home who are already sensitive over the sky deal.

The previous broadcast deal abroad with Setanta had a delayed game every week which was a help in getting to see a broader range of games, so even to go back to that would be a massive bonus.

GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: June 04, 2018, 02:54:17 PM »
Another poor Ulster attendance on a fine day.
in absolute numbers, compared to other counties with multiples of the populations of Monaghan or Fermanagh, yes.

Monaghan and Fermanagh are 2 of the smallest counties population wise in Ireland.
Fermanagh has a population of 61,805 , 60% of whom are catholics/ nationalists, so really only 40,000 of a county population from a GAA perspective. Monaghan has about 60,000 so a combination population of about 100,000
For those 2 counties to have 10000 at a game, that's ten percent of their populations, so far from desperate.

The joint population of Cork and Limerick is 750,000. If they managed to have 10% of their population turn up, that'd be an attendance of  75,000 but they only got 35,000 ! 

GAA Discussion / Re: GAAGO where are you?
« on: May 24, 2018, 01:47:25 PM »
I think it does, but not all games are televised..
are you sure you are not talking about the €140 worldwide gaago and not the limited €70 GB version which has less matches, and less means (AFAIK) nothing that sky shows which means no sky exclusive games plus no all ireland semis or finals.

GAA Discussion / Re: GAAGO where are you?
« on: May 07, 2018, 02:53:46 PM »
I see its at US$150 at the minute what did it cost in January?

Does anyone know at what point do they start cutting the prices? Is it at the provincial final stage or the quarter finals?
this year there was no promo offer I don't think.

There was a month free trial, during April when theres no matches, and that was it.

GAA Discussion / Re: Paraic Duffy to Stand Down
« on: April 20, 2018, 09:59:37 AM »
You have it in the end, better to play league games with points biased to when the county players are there, than nothing at all when everyone is waiting for the county lads to come back.

Cavan tried something similar with having only certain "super" league games counting to promotion and relegation, but it was confusing and then meant that "normal" league games were essentially meaningless. Not sure if its still the structure there, but the Monaghan one is way better. 

The acceptance of the scheme I think was down to the fact that it wasnt a plan dreamed up by the county board and then forced through. There was a series of consultations with the county manager and clubs (and back and forth, and in circles) so everyone had their input until finally the final plan was made, and in the end they had a  buyin to it as it was their plan rather than the county boards plan.

At this stage I'd be in favour of some sort of restriction of the handpass.

Maybe limiting it to 5 or 6 is a little hard to implement (as the steps rule shows), and even if you do then people will do a 2m foot pass to reset the clock.
What you could have is a ban on handpassing between the 45s, forcing teams to play the ball down the field with a foot pass as they cant run the ball with 200 hand passes when theres a zone in the middle where hand passes are banned. 

GAA Discussion / Re: GAA 2034
« on: April 04, 2018, 10:53:37 AM »
Never read the same pile of dung in my life. Pure unadulterated dung. Allowances?? There already is allowances in place. <snip>
where are there allowances, remembering than an allowance is a fixed amount ?

There's very very generous expenses, which go way beyond the actual cost of travel, and you could call that an allowance, but the amount you claim is dependent on how far you travel which means a player living beside the county grounds gets next to zilch and the lads travelling from Dublin for few 100km round trip are minting it.
You'd presume lads living beside the grounds would use a little imagination or claim from his place of work, but still, its a sliding scale and essentially a way of compensating players for their efforts only that the more you travel the more you are compensated. 

Reading between the lines, I think the new allowance would replace this generous expenses system, possibly also replacing or being merged into the high performance grant from the government for inter county players, which was a sham from the beginning.
The players also get (IIRC) a clatter of money for boots and nutrition, so the new allowance would likely replace that too.

But as for use of grounds by other organisations (“establish criteria for the use of Association facilities by other sports organisations.”) including "the peoples game" , I don't know what that's all about. I'd hope its just a rewording of the exception for use of grounds for the rugby world cup into a generic provision for one off events, but I'm not sure.
I cant imagine that the GAA is looking to expand the reach of "the peoples game" into every corner of Ireland by laying out a red carpet to use grounds where they have none currently. 

There's a number of other ideas like reducing the size of the central council and abolishing provincial councils and replacing them with regional councils which I'd be very much in favour of .

GAA Discussion / Re: Paraic Duffy to Stand Down
« on: March 27, 2018, 01:53:05 PM »
Bums on seats was, however, viewed by Ryan as the “best barometer for everything else”.

His bottom line is bums on seats. Dublin have the biggest home support by miles but don't travel so getting Dublin to play in Croke Park as often as possible is going to ensure more bums on seats. Forget about fairness and equality all that matters is bums on seats. He's not off to a good start.
If i read it right, they are quotes from a few years back, when he was being interviewed as GAA head of finance, on GAA finances, for a book dealing solely on the topic of GAA finances.

So if he says that attendances are the biggest money spinner, then as head of finance (as he was then), thats a quite important thing to be aware of ! 
If the head of finance spent the whole interview chatting about irrelevant stuff to his portfolio like maybe whether the white coats of an umpire were the best thing for them to be wearing, and he had no opinion or clue about finances, then THAT would be something to worry about.

It'll be interesting to see all right how he takes off the finance hat and puts on the general management hat, but he hasn't started yet so its a little early to make judgements. Unless he makes an almighty mess of it he could be there for the next 20 years, so I'm inclined to wait and see how things pan out.

GAA Discussion / Re: Paraic Duffy to Stand Down
« on: January 09, 2018, 12:17:20 PM »
the business qualification requirement is now officially downgraded to a nice to have rather than a requirement.
Deadline extended to Friday the 19th

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