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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: August 02, 2019, 11:59:44 AM »
So if we went for a starred game system Slaughtneil would have went out to play certain games less 7 county hurlers and 7 county footballers, almost all of which are duel players.  Hardly a great reward for a team sending players to play for the county.  A better solution would need to be found than this.

This is a good point to be fair.
However, this is more the exception than the norm and in this case Slaughtneil are a victim of their own success. Its not very often any single club team supplies so many county players, there's rarely more than 2-3 from a club.
It's impossible to come up with a perfect solution, so I still think the starred games are the answer as they will generally mean most teams are affected the same way.
I think someone mentioned earlier, that in Tyrone for the teams who are affected by starred games the fixtures are set in such a way that they will be playing teams in a similar position. So lets say, Glen and Lavey are both down 3 county men, they are fixed to play each other so neither should have more or less of an advantage.
Again, not perfect...but it gives the clubs competitive games and the fringe players in the clubs a chance to progress too.
The biggest negative to this is the fringe county player who isn't getting county matches also missing club games. That's where the county management and club management need to work together.

Next year we’re likely to have Danny, Mcevoy, clucker and Odhran Lynch on the county panel. If we have to play 5/6 league games in the middle of the season without these players it means it’s unlikely we’ve a chance of winning the league. Slaughtneil the same. That devalues the competition and takes away from whoever wins it. At the moment not one county player misses a league game because of county commitments. Non county players continue to have games every week for the duration of county championship. That’s a pretty good compromise even if it’s not perfect.

Its a good compromise for who? County players are not compromising as they are playing all county and club games (although fringe players could possibly get no games).
Clubs are not compromising as they get all their county players for league games, but the fringe players in the club don't get any league games.
Club players are the ones making the compromises. They have to settle for a large section of the season playing meaningless games only to possibly lose their place when the county men come back.
It all depends on your perspective of who you are trying to please with the setup. For me, the current setup suits everyone except the non-county club players, which are in the majority.

The starred games approach, puts the club players first. Clubs still have their county players for the championship, club players get meaningful games and a chance to earn a championship place, club supporters still have meaningful games to follow during the summer months and in my opinion this approach has more advantages than disadvantages.


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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: August 01, 2019, 03:24:00 PM »
So if we went for a starred game system Slaughtneil would have went out to play certain games less 7 county hurlers and 7 county footballers, almost all of which are duel players.  Hardly a great reward for a team sending players to play for the county.  A better solution would need to be found than this.

This is a good point to be fair.
However, this is more the exception than the norm and in this case Slaughtneil are a victim of their own success. Its not very often any single club team supplies so many county players, there's rarely more than 2-3 from a club.
It's impossible to come up with a perfect solution, so I still think the starred games are the answer as they will generally mean most teams are affected the same way.
I think someone mentioned earlier, that in Tyrone for the teams who are affected by starred games the fixtures are set in such a way that they will be playing teams in a similar position. So lets say, Glen and Lavey are both down 3 county men, they are fixed to play each other so neither should have more or less of an advantage.
Again, not perfect...but it gives the clubs competitive games and the fringe players in the clubs a chance to progress too.
The biggest negative to this is the fringe county player who isn't getting county matches also missing club games. That's where the county management and club management need to work together.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: July 31, 2019, 03:34:21 PM »
Clubs with improving players and standard of football will inevitably, over time, filter to the county team. A higher quality of players available from clubs (any clubs) will improve county standard.
Likewise, a higher standard of county team who gain some success will, over time, improve the club teams. I say this for a number of reasons.
The club player with the county, will generally be training with and playing against players of a higher calibre than those at their club. This should improve them, and as a result when they return to their clubs improve their team.
If the county team has some success then that success will filter to clubs. Kids will see the crowds at county matches and enjoy trappings of success and want some of that for themselves and so will be more inclined to join/stay with the club.

County feeds off club and club feeds off county.
I think we have too many within our county who are blinkered by club first or county first or indeed who are just anti-owenbeg. These attitudes don't help at all. It should be a case of all in together for the betterment of county, clubs and players (in no particular order). This might be a bit aspirational, but I think its true.

 

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: July 31, 2019, 12:33:23 PM »
Even before a new senior manager is interviewed Derry should decide how it wants to run its own leagues and championships. This plan should be presented to anyone who wants to manage the county and if they don't like it then then should find another job - there's plenty of them out there, they could have their pick and its better to know where everyone stands before they start. No one is saying we shouldn't give the county a fighting chance but until we are back among the top 8 sides in the country would it not be better to develop players through playing regular club football and prevent our best young players either heading to America or wasting their time sitting around waiting for a game. Also clubs know the difference between a serious game of football and these glorified friendlies. It was a nice idea on paper but also very naive. Someone made the point that other counties including those still in the senior championship seem able to offer something better but the situation in Derry is beyond a joke at this stage and the whole thing needs a radical new direction. Put the clubs first then everything else will fall into place.

It's an impossible situation at the minute. You can't "put the clubs first" if the clubs don't agree to play starred league games, in my opinion. It seems to me, that this has been an attempt to put the clubs first, but at the expense of the non-county club player.
Clubs have to bear some responsibility for this too.
So the current setup means clubs don't play league games without their county players, but that means the non-county player has to live with the huge break in games.
Perhaps the CB need to take control a bit more, impose the starred games on clubs and if they refuse to play it, they concede the points. A bit of a drastic approach but maybe taking the short term hard line would have long term benefits for clubs and county, but more importantly the non-county players.
Or maybe it's a nonsensical idea, I just know the current structure is not working. All IMO of course.


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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: July 30, 2019, 04:44:37 PM »
Just had a look at Derry website for senior league games. The 2 clusters of 11 league games are played over 59 days, 4 games between 7th April and 28th April and 7 games between 17th July and 25th August. Lads train most of the year for that!

Lads, that’s unbelievable to say the least. You start off with 4 games in 21 days and finish with 7 games in 38 days with a total break of 80 days without any league games in the middle. You can thank f**k Derry county team don’t do well at senior level or you wouldn’t get any football at all for club players. Why did clubs accept this? Surely home & away is better option and you play with county men if available - if not available then play away. After 22 league games, if you get relegated then you can’t really have any issues as you had plenty of chances. Surely the club player and indeed managers must find this very hard to sustain over a season with so little football to be played.

Its a ridiculous setup alright. It gives very little incentive to players to train all year. A minor injury could mean you miss a lot of games too which is unfair on the players.
Personally, I think the Tyrone structure is much better. It means more games for players, which means more chance for players to improve. You are also less likely to lose players to America/Australia if they are playing loads of football.
It is also bound to have a detrimental effect on the overall quality of senior players. I was always told, you improve as a footballer by playing football. IMO, this structure we have is going to adversely affect the quality is going forward at club and county level.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: July 17, 2019, 02:07:14 PM »
Damian McErlain has stood down as Derry Senior Football Manager.

Well done Damien on getting promotion this year. Hope you stay involved with u20 or u17. Malachy O’Rourke or Jim mcguinness available.

With the CB crying poverty a few weeks ago, I'd doubt if we could afford either of those two options as individuals never mind the backroom staff involved.

We could sell Celtic park and fund who ever we wanted.
 :P :P :P ;)

I'd love to see us get Malachy O'Rourke, I just don't see us being able to come up with the money (unless a sponsor decides to cover it). But more importantly, why would O'Rourke want to take us? A div 3 side next year, with no real championship credibility at the moment. If we was to get the role, he'd need free reign, financial backing and at least 5 years.

I'm surprised Mcerlain resigned tbh. Seems like a decent sort, though I would question his tactical ability and always thought he left a few off the panel for no good reason (Heavron for example).


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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: July 10, 2019, 11:43:09 AM »
Driving around listening to 2fm and they have a woman on talking about sex parties and orgies and how great they are and how everyone should be indulging , am I getting too prudish or is this a bit Ott for 11am on a Monday . Is 2fm a private run station?

2fm is an RTE run station so it is part publicly funded, and no you are not prudish to be questioning something like that being on the live radio at 11am during the summer holidays when a lot of kids might be listening...

Yip, agreed. Shocking.
They hardly said where these were taking place? Just curious/nosy like

Asking for a friend...? :)

Yes, my friend wants to know too ;)

So do I...no way do I want any of my friends going, more for me.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 16, 2019, 11:52:01 AM »
 
I would guess that it's a management request to play the game at Owenbeg, given that the players would be more familiar with the setup / pitch from multiple training sessions there - which is obviously an advantage and not one that many counties would have the luxury to avail of.

I personally don't think it's anything against Celtic Park, as the playing surface is excellent - more so a case of getting any small advantage as possible at Owenbeg.

I would guess its a finance issue given the recent disclosure of state of finances. There'll be a thousand-ish supporters so the cost of opening celtic Park could not be justified.
There'd be a better atmosphere too in owenbeg, and in my opinion facilities are better.
It would also mean the travelling team have further to go, so perhaps a slight advantage to us.

Jesus that extra 18 mile on the bus is gonna f**king kill Ross Munnelly

 ::) ::)

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 14, 2019, 07:46:22 PM »
I would guess that it's a management request to play the game at Owenbeg, given that the players would be more familiar with the setup / pitch from multiple training sessions there - which is obviously an advantage and not one that many counties would have the luxury to avail of.

I personally don't think it's anything against Celtic Park, as the playing surface is excellent - more so a case of getting any small advantage as possible at Owenbeg.

I would guess its a finance issue given the recent disclosure of state of finances. There'll be a thousand-ish supporters so the cost of opening celtic Park could not be justified.
There'd be a better atmosphere too in owenbeg, and in my opinion facilities are better.
It would also mean the travelling team have further to go, so perhaps a slight advantage to us.

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General discussion / Re: TV Show recommendations
« on: June 09, 2019, 10:23:47 AM »
Theres no place like Tyrone!!! Give me strength.
Did anyone watch this? I never watched a bigger pile of dung in my life  :o

Sure it's a true representation of the people of tirrone so it is. 😂😂😂

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 08, 2019, 09:52:53 PM »
Good result alright. To be fair, couldn't ask much more of the county team this year.
Gained promotion, didn't disgrace ourselves against last year's all Ireland finalists and comfortably through first round.

Derry v Tyrone round 2. The revenge. Lol.

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Donegal better than people gave them credit for.
Tyrone are not as good as they get credit for
Swarm defence has worked for Tyrone in recent times as it covers for the areas where the team lacks. There's no real leader on that team and with the exception of mcshane and harte, they don't have stand out players.
Credit to them for getting to a final last year, but it was an over achievement. Thay are not a bad side by any means, but they are not close to Dublin. Harte is still too loyal to the old guard. Colm cavanagh is past it, was exposed against Dublin last year and if anything has gone backwards. Bound to be demoralising for the bench to see him starting.

Donegal on the otherhand have pace, power and stand out players all over the pitch. Murphy was immense. Mchugh, mnellis, the keeper, mcbrearty... Leaders and exceptional talent. They also have their tactics 100%, though I hate to see that organised fouling they were at in their forward line in the first half.

Mccann should be ashamed of himself. He has form too. Any decent manager would condemn his own player for that. Dangerous, thuggish and trampish. No place for it in sport or anywhere else. Deserves a year, will prob get a game




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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 13, 2019, 05:58:34 PM »
do some laughing at you two last posters. Rogers chb,lol, head down carrying ball down the wing, not a foot pass in him at chb lol. He got cleaned out at FB yesterday. I think he is an average county full back, but he showed no aggression yesterday. Playing Fb for the nailers he was v aggressive to 'Star', where has that gone to.


Mc Shane is a supper player, played mf on a winning U21 All Ireland team, starred at FF for Tyrone in the league in D1, yes D1, going to be one of the players of the championship for Tyrone. The only thing that I will say in Bells defence is that we don't have many good kick passers of the ball to find his runs. Tadd is another version of Mattie Donnelly. A good players yes, plenty of spirit in him, but a ball carrier, we need a footballer playing with him.  The Tyrone's ones would tell you when Donnellye was out the filed, when he got the ball not a forward made a run as he carried the ball constantly, another reason why he was moved inside during this league

Our bench isn't strong enough, that needs addressed for next season. Meenagh is doing a decent job. Tyrone in 1st gear yesterday. Brolly is right, we had lost our soul. V slowly regaining it, but our underage teams should have our own managing them.
Rogers head down running is what set Sammy up for his point to put us in front. I was behind our keeper in the 2nd half and thought Rogers did OK on mcshane, chrissy would have been better man marking him.
Rogers will drive forward at pace and will get back again. For me, chrissy doesn't have those qualities. For me Rogers is underrated and chrissy overrated, that's not their fault though. It's just the type of players they are.

I don't think we were dead on our feet in last 10, I think Tyrone shifted up a gear in terms of intensity and we couldn't match that. There's a number of reasons for that, experience, playing div 4, a relatively new team.

Overall I was happy with the improvements made, but we're still a long way off a top 10 side. That's going to take time and we have to be patient.
It would be great to have conor glass and callum brown on that panel. Hopefully they return.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 13, 2019, 01:28:59 PM »
Any one else think there was a deliberate Tyrone tactic of systematically fouling the runner, dunno how many times Tad, and to a slightly lesser extent Lynn, were fouled, the CHB [for a punch] and Colm Cavanagh [3 bad fouls] were both lucky not to be lined.

I think it was a clear Tyrone tactic to slow down the attack until they could funnel men back. We played into their hands in this regard by slowing down our freekicks, mostly waiting till Chrissy got there to take it, it really slows our game down and in the majority of cases when he did take it, it was kicked backwards 15 metres, which quite frankly any player could do. You could see the point in Chrissy hitting these frees if he was doing something special with them but all this does is kill momentum as it takes a few seconds for him to get to the place where the free occurred, which is exactly what Tyrone wanted. It wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't factored fouling around that area of the pitch knowing that the free wouldn't be taken until Chrissy got there and that this would give them time to reset.

Whilst we played all right there was no going for the jugular which is what championship football should be about, there was a definite element of safety first about our play, if we slipped the leash we could def have given them a proper rattle.

Karl McKaigue, Paul McNeill, Enda Lynn, Tad and Shane McGuigan were all great for us, Emmett Bradley was decent too when he came in and all round I wouldn't be critical of anyone as we put in a huge effort on the day, though I would say Ryan Bell looked as if he was not fully fit.


Agree with most of that. Not sure why Chrissy has to do that.  A lot of looking to be on the ball and taking an extra touch that isn't really going anywhere and just slows it all down when maybe he should be looking the ball from the free to go forward.  One or two lads could do with bulking up to compete against the top level. Once or twice lads nearly ended up in the front row of the stand, although overall the fitness levels looked alright bar one or two who struggled late on. Unfortunately Ryan Bell has looked like that through out his days playing for Derry.  Is he going to be one of those lads everyone says if only about. The equal if not more talent than a McShane.

I've been saying on here for years that chrissy mckaigue slows us down too much. Even when he drives forward he'll inevitably play it back. He'll insist on hitting frees and play them backwards.
IMO, he's not a half back of county standard. I think he has the makings of a really good full back tasked with man marking. I'd have Rogers at CHB instead. Offers much more going forward.
Chrissy just isn't the player people say he is, IMO.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 12, 2019, 09:34:54 PM »
A better showing than expected, though Tyrone were off the boil a bit I feel.
Hard to understand why emmet Bradley didn't start, he was really good when he came in.
Cassidy was our best player I think, put in a serious shift, carried well and got back. Impressed by him.
Mcfaul has some engine too. Both him and Lynn took a lot of abuse from.

Karl mckaigue had a good game, chrissy I thought was poor.
Postie was a mixed bag. Very bad positioning for the goal, stood behind his own defender. He looks very lazy on the ball too, standing on the spot, toe tapping. Did make a good save and kickouts in The first half were good, but kickouts after the tyrone goal were awful.

We didn't embarrass ourselves. Played mostly as a team and generally defended well.
We struggle in attack though and really lack in terms of physique in comparison to Tyrone.

Tyrone very physically imposing and play on the edge of legality, but are experienced enough to get away with it.
Colm cavanagh still a dirty lump, harte doing his usual substituting before he hot sent off.

We have some good signs of improvement,
But we are still a long way off div 1 teams.
We can't fix everything overnight though and I hope we can continue to improve.

When is the first round of qualifiers?

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