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Title: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 23, 2019, 11:27:09 PM
http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/298377

Another PR disaster waiting to happen after this incident in Donegal.  It’s time to move out of the dark ages and become more flexible especially when it can help someone who is ill and has donated countless hours to their club. I understand that rules are rules but we are not living in the 1960’s and our rules and MANIFESTO😉😉 should be more in tune the reality of modern day society.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 23, 2019, 11:37:03 PM
Personally I’m sick to f**king death of people using charity as an excuse to bash the GAA.

The rules were put in place for a reason. Some of them might be OTT. Some might not be relevant for 21st century Ireland. But these can and will be changed at Congress in the near future, if they really are out of step.

Until then, everyone should pipe down. Rules are in place to protect, not to punish.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: tonto1888 on April 24, 2019, 07:38:07 AM
Personally I’m sick to f**king death of people using charity as an excuse to bash the GAA.

The rules were put in place for a reason. Some of them might be OTT. Some might not be relevant for 21st century Ireland. But these can and will be changed at Congress in the near future, if they really are out of step.

Until then, everyone should pipe down. Rules are in place to protect, not to punish.

Yet these rules seem to be punishing
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: haranguerer on April 24, 2019, 08:29:32 AM
Personally I’m sick to f**king death of people using charity as an excuse to bash the GAA.

The rules were put in place for a reason. Some of them might be OTT. Some might not be relevant for 21st century Ireland. But these can and will be changed at Congress in the near future, if they really are out of step.

Until then, everyone should pipe down. Rules are in place to protect, not to punish.

Spot on. Is there no responsibility on those organizing an event to have it approved? Or does everyone just charge ahead now and run to the media when there is a reaction?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 24, 2019, 08:40:37 AM
Personally I’m sick to f**king death of people using charity as an excuse to bash the GAA.

The rules were put in place for a reason. Some of them might be OTT. Some might not be relevant for 21st century Ireland. But these can and will be changed at Congress in the near future, if they really are out of step.

Until then, everyone should pipe down. Rules are in place to protect, not to punish.

Spot on. Is there no responsibility on those organizing an event to have it approved? Or does everyone just charge ahead now and run to the media when there is a reaction?

Agree with wobbler myself on this one. Unfortunately with social media these days it's even cooler to go and rant and rave, so people would have portrayed the GAA as the baddies once again.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 24, 2019, 10:03:14 AM
PR disaster, or Eamon McGee boosting his profile again at the GAA's expense?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dinny Breen on April 24, 2019, 11:17:15 AM
Those common sense not prevail in the GAA.

The club broke the rules but the punishment does not fit the crime. Surely a wrap on the knuckles and a suspended fine would be sufficient.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: westbound on April 24, 2019, 11:23:48 AM
Those common sense not prevail in the GAA.

The club broke the rules but the punishment does not fit the crime. Surely a wrap on the knuckles and a suspended fine would be sufficient.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0423/1045169-donegal-club-banned/

I would agree with you Dinny, if the club broke the rules inadvertedly or if they were unaware of the rule.

However, from the rte article it appears that they requested permission and were refused twice, yet still went ahead with the tournament! If that is true I don't have much sympathy for the club.

Whether the rule should or should not be in place is irrelevant in this case.  The rule currently is in place, the club were aware of it, were refused permission to hold the tournament and still decided to go ahead.

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 24, 2019, 11:28:15 AM

The club broke the rules but the punishment does not fit the crime.

The club does have a right to appeal the proposed punishment. But it will have a lot of explaining to do first.  Such an apparently casual approach to  event notification procedures and consequent insurance cover is a serious matter for club officials. A single uninsured claim arising from a fatality or catastrophic injury could bankrupt a club or county board.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Maiden1 on April 24, 2019, 11:33:18 AM
Those common sense not prevail in the GAA.

The club broke the rules but the punishment does not fit the crime. Surely a wrap on the knuckles and a suspended fine would be sufficient.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0423/1045169-donegal-club-banned/

I would agree with you Dinny, if the club broke the rules inadvertedly or if they were unaware of the rule.

However, from the rte article it appears that they requested permission and were refused twice, yet still went ahead with the tournament! If that is true I don't have much sympathy for the club.

Whether the rule should or should not be in place is irrelevant in this case.  The rule currently is in place, the club were aware of it, were refused permission to hold the tournament and still decided to go ahead.
Why say no twice though (other than insurance considerations which they could have stipulated that the club cover)?

Plenty of clubs in rural areas share grounds e.g.  Bredagh in Down use a council pitch.  Belfast Harlequins have allowed St Brigids to share there facilities.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 24, 2019, 11:37:15 AM
Why say no twice though (other than insurance considerations which they could have stipulated that the club cover)?

Plenty of clubs in rural areas share grounds e.g.  Bredagh in Down use a council pitch.  Belfast Harlequins have allowed St Brigids to share there facilities.

Such a stipulation wouldn't hold up for 2 minutes in a court if a claimant with serious spinal or other catastrophic injury presents with a claim arising from the event. The ultimate owner of the grounds is always on the hook on such situations.

That's why the GAA bans clubs and counties from hosting circuses and funfairs on its property.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Taylor on April 24, 2019, 11:42:39 AM
Why say no twice though (other than insurance considerations which they could have stipulated that the club cover)?

Plenty of clubs in rural areas share grounds e.g.  Bredagh in Down use a council pitch.  Belfast Harlequins have allowed St Brigids to share there facilities.

Such a stipulation wouldn't hold up for 2 minutes in a court if a claimant with serious spinal or other catastrophic injury presents with a claim arising from the event. The ultimate owner of the grounds is always on the hook on such situations.

That's why the GAA bans clubs and counties from hosting circuses and funfairs on its property.

And bouncing castles - though some clubs openly flaunt this rule and no sanctions seem to be taken  :o
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 24, 2019, 11:51:22 AM
If they were refused permission twice and then went ahead anyway.... hard to have sympathy for them.
Or is it time for the GAA to add a new rule to the end of the T.O?
"The above rules will not apply if Social media seems them unfit for popular consumption"?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Maiden1 on April 24, 2019, 12:09:45 PM
If they were refused permission twice and then went ahead anyway.... hard to have sympathy for them.
Or is it time for the GAA to add a new rule to the end of the T.O?
"The above rules will not apply if Social media seems them unfit for popular consumption"?
Or just do away with the rule altogether
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: westbound on April 24, 2019, 12:33:23 PM
Those common sense not prevail in the GAA.

The club broke the rules but the punishment does not fit the crime. Surely a wrap on the knuckles and a suspended fine would be sufficient.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0423/1045169-donegal-club-banned/

I would agree with you Dinny, if the club broke the rules inadvertedly or if they were unaware of the rule.

However, from the rte article it appears that they requested permission and were refused twice, yet still went ahead with the tournament! If that is true I don't have much sympathy for the club.

Whether the rule should or should not be in place is irrelevant in this case.  The rule currently is in place, the club were aware of it, were refused permission to hold the tournament and still decided to go ahead.
Why say no twice though (other than insurance considerations which they could have stipulated that the club cover)?

Plenty of clubs in rural areas share grounds e.g.  Bredagh in Down use a council pitch.  Belfast Harlequins have allowed St Brigids to share there facilities.

Because it's against the rule that is currently in place!

Perhaps the rule should be removed, but until it is done so by congress  (and not by the social media congress!) the rule has to be applied!

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: weareros on April 24, 2019, 01:11:56 PM
I think there's rules and there's judgement. The club broke the rules but exercised the right judgement in raising money for a local with a terrible illness. The GAA hierarchy followed the rules but exercised very poor judgement in punishing the club.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 24, 2019, 01:22:23 PM
The optics on this are terrible.  More fodder for the duff dinosaur brigade.  The gaa can’t ignore social media, some of the comments on this are very disappointing.  I’m all for following the rules but I’m a bigger fan of changing them when they are outdated and lead to controversy and bad presss. 
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Kickham csc on April 24, 2019, 01:42:04 PM
The optics on this are terrible.  More fodder for the duff dinosaur brigade.  The gaa can’t ignore social media, some of the comments on this are very disappointing.  I’m all for following the rules but I’m a bigger fan of changing them when they are outdated and lead to controversy and bad presss.

If someone broke their leg during the event, who's insurance would they claim off?

Did the charity event organizers arrange insurance?

Did the charity event sign an insurance wavier and accept responsibility if someone got hurt?

Did the club accept responsibility?

This is a serious issue. Clubs / charity organizers can't ignore rules like they did in this instance, no matter how good the intentions were.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 24, 2019, 02:27:01 PM
So is the GAA that autocratic that a Club needs to seek permission to run events for its local community? What about this social capital role that the GAA plays and we see referenced in every funding application? I think this insurance business is a complete red herring. Club public liability insurance can’t be that tight surely?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 24, 2019, 02:40:39 PM
So is the GAA that autocratic that a Club needs to seek permission to run events for its local community? What about this social capital role that the GAA plays and we see referenced in every funding application? I think this insurance business is a complete red herring. Club public liability insurance can’t be that tight surely?

For someone who claims to work on sports club property funding applications, you seem curiously ignorant of the legal and insurance environment concerning such properties. I call BS.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 24, 2019, 02:47:31 PM
BS??
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: johnnycool on April 24, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
So is the GAA that autocratic that a Club needs to seek permission to run events for its local community? What about this social capital role that the GAA plays and we see referenced in every funding application? I think this insurance business is a complete red herring. Club public liability insurance can’t be that tight surely?

If we hire our hall out to a local Irish Dancing school we take a copy of their public liability cover in advance. Same with a Pilates class.

The GAA has tightened up on these extra cirricular activities in a big way.

WRT this particular tournament. why did the organisers play it as a soccer match if this lad was a former member and GAA coach?

Surely it would have made more sense to have a gaelic football tournament or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
So is the GAA that autocratic that a Club needs to seek permission to run events for its local community? What about this social capital role that the GAA plays and we see referenced in every funding application? I think this insurance business is a complete red herring. Club public liability insurance can’t be that tight surely?

If we hire our hall out to a local Irish Dancing school we take a copy of their public liability cover in advance. Same with a Pilates class.

The GAA has tightened up on these extra cirricular activities in a big way.

WRT this particular tournament. why did the organisers play it as a soccer match if this lad was a former member and GAA coach?

Surely it would have made more sense to have a gaelic football tournament or am I missing something?


+1 Was just about to post this.

If people think the rule is out of date or goes against the spirit of the GAA they should motion to have it changed. It's really that simple. The GAA is a democracy.


Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on April 24, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
The optics on this are terrible.  More fodder for the duff dinosaur brigade.  The gaa can’t ignore social media,

Nah, its more a reflection on the low IQ tendencies of social media.

The "ah sure it'll be grand" mentality doesn't work anymore. For both those who run the GAA or for those who would seek to use their facilities.

If the event is not self-insured, then the GAA have every right to fire the book at those that authorised using GAA facilities.

Thinking otherwise is really, really naive.


If the event was self-insured, then its an entirely different argument and one purely of internal matters.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: haranguerer on April 24, 2019, 04:08:27 PM
BS??


Fully behind the gaa in this instance. If they wanted to play a soccer match, play it at whatever soccer club he was connected to. If they wanted to emphasize his gaa credentials (as they have done now) and play it at the local gaelic club, play a gaelic match. Permission for the soccer match was denied twice. They obviously decided to plough ahead knowing they'd be able to bank on the court of (uninformed) public opinion afterwards. I hope the ban is upheld.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: StephenC on April 24, 2019, 04:12:54 PM
In the midst of all these posts is the fact that there is a former player and coach with the GAA that has received a devastating MND diagnosis. Community is about rallying around those in need and the local people have done that in spades. And they'll continue to do so no matter what BS is presented as reasons why they shouldn't.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 24, 2019, 04:22:36 PM
In the midst of all these posts is the fact that there is a former player and coach with the GAA that has received a devastating MND diagnosis.

All the more reason why the club should have had the basic cop-on not to drag him into the controversy that they knew from the outset their actions would cause.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: skeog on April 24, 2019, 04:27:37 PM
Who reported the breach in the first place wouldnt say be many GAA bigwigs around on a cold wet day in March.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 24, 2019, 05:30:49 PM
I understand all the insurance comments but that is still not the issue here.  Even if they got full insurance the soccer game could still not be played on a gaa club pitch as our outdated rules prohibit it.  Let’s be honest, the reason for the rule was not insurance concerns back then.  The GAA does many positive and good things but situations like this only give gaa haters ammunition to bash the “grab all association” as they so eloquently describe it.

Soccer is not the enemy, outdated rules and rulers are imo...
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: rosnarun on April 24, 2019, 06:03:07 PM
I understand all the insurance comments but that is still not the issue here.  Even if they got full insurance the soccer game could still not be played on a gaa club pitch as our outdated rules prohibit it.  Let’s be honest, the reason for the rule was not insurance concerns back then.  The GAA does many positive and good things but situations like this only give gaa haters ammunition to bash the “grab all association” as they so eloquently describe it.

Soccer is not the enemy, outdated rules and rulers are imo...
at this stage its quiet simple . a constituent member of an organization knowingly flouted the rules of the organization.
that cannot go unpunished
statements about charity and soccer etc just confuse the issue
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: skeog on April 24, 2019, 06:25:27 PM
Rosnarun go back to your cave.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 24, 2019, 06:26:53 PM
Correct Rosnarun..
When the Rule 're County Grounds came up at Congress no one proposed an amendment that Club grounds be included.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 24, 2019, 06:38:01 PM
The insurance issue is a red herring.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 24, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
The insurance issue is a red herring.

How is it a red herring?

Public Liability insurance is centrally pooled and centrally agreed. It would make no sense for the GAA to extend this central policy to include soccer matches, given that they’re prohibited on GAA grounds. As such this Donegal club have absolutely flouted the GAA’s insurance policy. That’s no different to you lending a 15 year old someone else’s car. Not your car. Someone else’s car.

I suspect you wouldn’t do that.

I also suspect that there’s many many more individual would claim from the “faceless” GAA in event of an injury, than from a neighbour, or from a charity.

The risk is real. The GAA didn’t create the claim culture of modern Ireland, but has every right to tread carefully.

Red herring my f**king arse.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 24, 2019, 07:56:46 PM
I’m saying it’s a red herring insofar as that’s not the reason the event was prohibited and you know that as well as I do.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 24, 2019, 09:15:39 PM
I understand all the insurance comments but that is still not the issue here.  Even if they got full insurance the soccer game could still not be played on a gaa club pitch as our outdated rules prohibit it.  Let’s be honest, the reason for the rule was not insurance concerns back then.  The GAA does many positive and good things but situations like this only give gaa haters ammunition to bash the “grab all association” as they so eloquently describe it.

Soccer is not the enemy, outdated rules and rulers are imo...
at this stage its quiet simple . a constituent member of an organization knowingly flouted the rules of the organization.
that cannot go unpunished
statements about charity and soccer etc just confuse the issue

I have no doubt the club are in now way 'confused' about the money they raised for a noble cause.

Too many in the GAA have lost sight of what we are meant to be be and have become obsessed with rules and regulations.

How many of that clubs players will still be there in 2 months?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 24, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
So is the GAA that autocratic that a Club needs to seek permission to run events for its local community? What about this social capital role that the GAA plays and we see referenced in every funding application? I think this insurance business is a complete red herring. Club public liability insurance can’t be that tight surely?

If we hire our hall out to a local Irish Dancing school we take a copy of their public liability cover in advance. Same with a Pilates class.

The GAA has tightened up on these extra cirricular activities in a big way.

WRT this particular tournament. why did the organisers play it as a soccer match if this lad was a former member and GAA coach?

Surely it would have made more sense to have a gaelic football tournament or am I missing something?


+1 Was just about to post this.

If people think the rule is out of date or goes against the spirit of the GAA they should motion to have it changed. It's really that simple. The GAA is a democracy.

Any answer to this quite pertinent question?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Lar Naparka on April 24, 2019, 11:22:11 PM
I’m saying it’s a red herring insofar as that’s not the reason the event was prohibited and you know that as well as I do.
+1
There is no other logical reason. We are not getting the full story here.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: armaghniac on April 24, 2019, 11:38:13 PM
Insurance is a huge issue in Ireland. If the GAA does not behave in a straight way with insurance companies then they can charge what they like and everyone in the GAA will suffer because of these outlaws.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2019, 12:03:12 AM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

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I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 01:47:32 AM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

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I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 25, 2019, 01:59:34 AM
the “right sort of charities”?

Surely the right sort of charity is helping out a former player and official in his hour of need.  This is what the club has done and this was the right thing to do.

You can continue with the scare tactics, but at some point common sense has to prevail, this is not the 1960's.  Clubs need to be given some leeway on what they can and can't do.  This kind of press shines a poor light on the GAA and as I said before, there are many people out there who are taking delight in all the bad press this is getting.

Again, I agree that any event should have insurance, but that is not the crux of this as we all know.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: 6th sam on April 25, 2019, 02:51:09 AM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

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I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 03:19:58 AM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

—-

I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

You appear to be suffering from a severe case of 'splinterinthearseitis' from all that fence sitting.

Well done on stopping soccer in its tracks by hammering a club for helping a GAA man out  There is a club full of fellas with two months of arse scratching ahead. Wonder where they might go?

Those principles made sense at the time they were brought in. They are a clear handicap to the clubs now. If this was held in a county ground, there would be no issue. Its another slap in the face to a club game that has no support.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2019, 06:48:49 AM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

—-

I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

You appear to be suffering from a severe case of 'splinterinthearseitis' from all that fence sitting.

Well done on stopping soccer in its tracks by hammering a club for helping a GAA man out  There is a club full of fellas with two months of arse scratching ahead. Wonder where they might go?

Those principles made sense at the time they were brought in. They are a clear handicap to the clubs now. If this was held in a county ground, there would be no issue. Its another slap in the face to a club game that has no support.

Don’t like the rule? Then change it. If you’re a member of a GAA club you can do it. Masquerading as a GAA member won’t work though. You actually have to be a paid up member of a club. Feel free to update us.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: haranguerer on April 25, 2019, 08:51:28 AM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 25, 2019, 09:02:30 AM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.
So when a local community who, as you correctly say, raised the money to provide its GAA facilities decides that it wants to host a charity event on its own grounds, why should it have to seek permission to do so? I'd have thought it should be allowed to make the decision itself. The organisers of the charity event would have to prove it had the necessary arrangements in place -insurance, risk assessments, supervision, security etc. If they hadn't then it's a non starter. In this case the charity doesn't even get to the starting post. So much for social capital etc.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: naka on April 25, 2019, 10:10:09 AM
So is the GAA that autocratic that a Club needs to seek permission to run events for its local community? What about this social capital role that the GAA plays and we see referenced in every funding application? I think this insurance business is a complete red herring. Club public liability insurance can’t be that tight surely?

If we hire our hall out to a local Irish Dancing school we take a copy of their public liability cover in advance. Same with a Pilates class.

The GAA has tightened up on these extra cirricular activities in a big way.

WRT this particular tournament. why did the organisers play it as a soccer match if this lad was a former member and GAA coach?

Surely it would have made more sense to have a gaelic football tournament or am I missing something?
no one seems to have answered why it was a soccer tournament on gaa land?
why not play Gaa?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 25, 2019, 10:37:12 AM
Exactly.
Like the Sean Cox fundraisers - Meath v Dublin in Páirc Tailteann, Irish XI v Liverpool XI played soccer in Aviva.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.

Yet the GAA are happy to use other sports facilities when it suits them... Anti Finnegsns gsme for example.

The charity argument  is fundamental. Whats more importsnt. Being a cornerstone of the community and raising funfs fir a GAA man or giving soccer a slap they didnt even notice?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 10:59:05 AM
Exactly.
Like the Sean Cox fundraisers - Meath v Dublin in Páirc Tailteann, Irish XI v Liverpool XI played soccer in Aviva.
The GAA were represented in the Aviva. Soccer didnt care
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 11:00:05 AM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

—-

I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

You appear to be suffering from a severe case of 'splinterinthearseitis' from all that fence sitting.

Well done on stopping soccer in its tracks by hammering a club for helping a GAA man out  There is a club full of fellas with two months of arse scratching ahead. Wonder where they might go?

Those principles made sense at the time they were brought in. They are a clear handicap to the clubs now. If this was held in a county ground, there would be no issue. Its another slap in the face to a club game that has no support.

Don’t like the rule? Then change it. If you’re a member of a GAA club you can do it. Masquerading as a GAA member won’t work though. You actually have to be a paid up member of a club. Feel free to update us.

Update you? How? Want to call up and say that to my face?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 25, 2019, 11:00:15 AM

So when a local community who, as you correctly say, raised the money to provide its GAA facilities decides that it wants to host a charity event on its own grounds, why should it have to seek permission to do so? I'd have thought it should be allowed to make the decision itself.

Because - as you well know but feign not to - the central GAA would be held secondarily liable for any significant injury claim arising from an event held on a GAA-owned pitch or premises, if there is any flaw or gap in the host unit's insurance cover.


So much for social capital etc.
Quite. That's what happens in a compo culture.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Hound on April 25, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
I’m saying it’s a red herring insofar as that’s not the reason the event was prohibited and you know that as well as I do.
+1
There is no other logical reason. We are not getting the full story here.
According to the Irish Times today, an individual lodged an official complaint to the Donegal county board, alleging the club had allowed their facilities to be used improperly. So the Donegal county board were obliged to investigate and follow the rules. No mention of insurance in the article, I'd also guess that insurance is a red herring. But we're certainly not getting the full story either.



 
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
How much would Eurocamp charge for a week in Frejus in July ?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2019, 12:37:02 PM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

—-

I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

You appear to be suffering from a severe case of 'splinterinthearseitis' from all that fence sitting.

Well done on stopping soccer in its tracks by hammering a club for helping a GAA man out  There is a club full of fellas with two months of arse scratching ahead. Wonder where they might go?

Those principles made sense at the time they were brought in. They are a clear handicap to the clubs now. If this was held in a county ground, there would be no issue. Its another slap in the face to a club game that has no support.

Don’t like the rule? Then change it. If you’re a member of a GAA club you can do it. Masquerading as a GAA member won’t work though. You actually have to be a paid up member of a club. Feel free to update us.

Update you? How? Want to call up and say that to my face?

Is this the GAAboard version of asking someone outside?
Don't really give a f**k big lad, you can post your updates here or I'll watch to see if your GAA club submits a motion for consideration. (Assuming you're a member of a club)

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 12:55:10 PM

So when a local community who, as you correctly say, raised the money to provide its GAA facilities decides that it wants to host a charity event on its own grounds, why should it have to seek permission to do so? I'd have thought it should be allowed to make the decision itself.

Because - as you well know but feign not to - the central GAA would be held secondarily liable for any significant injury claim arising from an event held on a GAA-owned pitch or premises, if there is any flaw or gap in the host unit's insurance cover.


So much for social capital etc.
Quite. That's what happens in a compo culture.

So how do other sports manage? How did the IRFU when a GAA game was played on their turf?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 25, 2019, 01:04:17 PM
How many claims of this nature have been made in the past 12 months? The same excuse was used to stop people getting onto the Croke Park pitch after big games
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
Nobody able to answer why a GAA club held a Soccer fundraiser for a GAA coach and player?

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Maiden1 on April 25, 2019, 01:39:08 PM
Nobody able to answer why a GAA club held a Soccer fundraiser for a GAA coach and player?
Unless someone on the board is from the club they probably don't have an answer.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 01:47:13 PM
Nobody able to answer why a GAA club held a Soccer fundraiser for a GAA coach and player?

Ask them.

I assume because it was the easiest way to include more people, making more money. That whole community spirit thing.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 25, 2019, 01:50:09 PM
I’d be interested to learn how the “angry populists” would like to handle these situations.

Should we really relinquish the blanket rule that GAA grounds are for Gaelic Games only? I mean what could possibly be gained from such a rule change? The GAA has continued to thrive throughout soccer’s mass explosion as a result of the EPL and Satellite TV. Mainly because it is grounded in being a community sport. Central, well-maintained facilities in every village in Ireland, run by the community for the community. That’s the GAA’s USP.

So if not that, then what it is you actually want? That any facility can be used in the name of charity? Or should we appoint a committee to oversee if charities are the “right sort of charities”, and not some scam by local soccer heads... or perhaps a fundraiser for Saoradh? Maybe we can let Twitter decide, as there’s no dinosaurs hang out over there.

And then if you get what you want. What next? Should we get rid of the #onelifeoneclub philosophy? Surely that one is from a dinosaur age too? Sure isn’t there thousands of lads have turned their back on the GAA because of it? And we can’t be doing that in 2019.

Then what next? Sure maybe we look at smaller pitches. Not only would they cost less to maintain, but they’ll be more suited to our local soccer teams too. And once we’ve gone that far, wouldn’t be great if we could experiment with some of the GAA players - let’s say 10 on each team - not being able to use their hands? That would bring us more in line with soccer, and sure it has a worldwide appeal, so can’t be doing it wrong. Then we can start paying the players too. Great.

—-

I’m a huge fan of association football by the way. But condemning the GAA as anti-community is so wrong on so many levels that it’s borderline blasphemy. It is the ultimate community organisation. And its rules and regulations are the cornerstone of how it got here.

Run by the community for the community is a great line, but they got punished for doing exactly that, being part of the community and running a charitable event for a Gael.

The rules relating to banning foreign games were put in place to ensure the GAA embedded as those sports had generations on them. Its now 2019 and many clubs need the revenue that renting the astro would bring. An astro they funded and maintain. It would also be nice for clubs to decide what community events they can support without jobsworths spiking them for 2 months.
Regardless of the ins and outs of this case, ultimately my empathy is with the those in greatest need in this case.
It seems to me that the club and the county board should have handled this case more sensitively , given circumstances so traumatic , few of us can comprehend. A sensible approach could probably have got this one “over the line”. I only hope that the controversy whilst having a negative PR for the GAA will serve to highlight and bolster the cause for this Man and his family.
That said, there are clear cut rules and a clear process to change them. But There is also a clear hypocrisy in the corporate GAA’s restricting any relaxation of the rules for Croke Park and county boards, but not clubs.
Though the insurance arguments are valid, they are not insurmountable.
However Wobbler is right imho regarding the GAA having a responsibility to protect the best community organisation in the world . Soccer is a direct rival for our players and whilst cooperation between the sports is mostly for the benefit of both sports, there are valid reasons why GAA must be guarded about diluting principles which have served it well.
The controversy and bad PR surrounding this will delight those with an unhealthy resentment, poor understanding and lack of respect for the GAA.
We are a sporting organisation like no other, and our ethos and several of our regulations are the reason why we punch well above our weight.
It disappoints me that this is another controversy which could have been avoided with good sense and goodwill from all parties.

You appear to be suffering from a severe case of 'splinterinthearseitis' from all that fence sitting.

Well done on stopping soccer in its tracks by hammering a club for helping a GAA man out  There is a club full of fellas with two months of arse scratching ahead. Wonder where they might go?

Those principles made sense at the time they were brought in. They are a clear handicap to the clubs now. If this was held in a county ground, there would be no issue. Its another slap in the face to a club game that has no support.

Don’t like the rule? Then change it. If you’re a member of a GAA club you can do it. Masquerading as a GAA member won’t work though. You actually have to be a paid up member of a club. Feel free to update us.

Update you? How? Want to call up and say that to my face?

Is this the GAAboard version of asking someone outside?
Don't really give a f**k big lad, you can post your updates here or I'll watch to see if your GAA club submits a motion for consideration. (Assuming you're a member of a club)

My club has bigger issues to contend with at AGM, we arent fielding minors in either code at the moment. I would love to pass a motion giving clubs more autonomy over what happens, like Croker and county grounds have, but I have to get in line behind all the no confidence/who paid the settlement questions.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 25, 2019, 01:55:11 PM

My club has bigger issues to contend with at AGM, we arent fielding minors in either code at the moment. I would love to pass a motion giving clubs more autonomy over what happens, like Croker and county grounds have, but I have to get in line behind all the no confidence/who paid the settlement questions.

Newsflash: club meetings are usually able to accommodate more than one discussion topic and each year's Congress handles dozens of proposed rule changes.

The idea that there is some sort of queue is a fiction.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 25, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
Soccerprick at it again.
Time we all utilised the ignore thingy.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 25, 2019, 02:20:02 PM
wait, the pitch in question isn't owned by the GAA?
the GAA club lease it.

well then, that puts a different slant on things
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2019, 02:43:23 PM
wait, the pitch in question isn't owned by the GAA?
the GAA club lease it.

well then, that puts a different slant on things

Does it? Don't think it makes one iota of difference.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: naka on April 25, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
wait, the pitch in question isn't owned by the GAA?
the GAA club lease it.

well then, that puts a different slant on things
I assume you mean the land is vested in the Gaa and the club use it in accordance with the rules of the gaa for the purposes of activities in accordance with the rules of the Gaa.

If leased from a third party then the landlord then the land isn't vested in the Gaa?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 25, 2019, 03:03:15 PM
The reporting of this leaves a lot to be desired in terms of clarity.  Lots of knee-jerk reports about foreign sports etc..

From what little I can see there are some pertinent questions:

1) Were county board acting on a specific complaint?
2) Under what rule is the suspension proposed.  My understanding is that Rule 42 and other/foreign sports is not the relevant rule.  It is Rule 6.40 about unauthorized tournaments. 
3) Who actually organized the tournament, a charity committee or club itself
4) Had organizers their own committee, insurance etc.
5) Were the club turned down on some application to county board and on what grounds?
6) Who owns the grounds?
7) Is this a regular soccer ground?  A quick look on google map streetview shows soccer goal posts on one of the pitches

That's just a start but I guess facts don't compare to emotive articles about foreign sports, bigots and charities not supported.

/Jim.

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 25, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: johnnycool on April 25, 2019, 04:46:09 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2019, 04:52:12 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.

I know I’m a cynical sort. But I’d expect everyone from the town has been well briefed on how to describe the event to the press; so as to mitigate the severity of their rule-breaking. I’m half expecting one local to claim it was actually a hybrid sport in celebration of the styles used in the very first GAA match.

——

Can GAA HQ really brush this one off?

I think not.

Charity or not. It’s a rule broken and would leave them no leg to stand on in future.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: haranguerer on April 25, 2019, 04:55:05 PM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.

Yet the GAA are happy to use other sports facilities when it suits them... Anti Finnegsns gsme for example.

The charity argument  is fundamental. Whats more importsnt. Being a cornerstone of the community and raising funfs fir a GAA man or giving soccer a slap they didnt even notice?

I don't agree (obviously). Charity is often used as a reason not to have to abide by usual standards, in this case and many others. Its nothing to do with giving soccer a slap. Were this not for charity, would anyone have an issue? Yet, from a practical point of view (the only way rules can be set and enforced), what difference what its for?

Also, still not getting why a GAA man would want a soccer tournament. And I didn't see any relevant points in his interview.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on April 25, 2019, 05:00:37 PM
So from my reading of things - is the "soccer" elelment being used to sensationalise things? It seems to me the answer to that is yes. The proposed sanction seems to me to be absolutely nothing to do with soccer being played.

I just read rule 6.40. It's pretty clear what is required under the rule and the penalties are set out at the end. if a club was refused permission, surely it was a questionable decision to proceed?

My only question and I suspect the way out of this is - was this a "tournament" or was it some other type of communinty/charity event. If the club didn't host it and it was a fundraising committee it seems it is the latter though is seems the club applied for permission for the former.

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Maiden1 on April 25, 2019, 05:03:47 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.

I know I’m a cynical sort. But I’d expect everyone from the town has been well briefed on how to describe the event to the press; so as to mitigate the severity of their rule-breaking. I’m half expecting one local to claim it was actually a hybrid sport in celebration of the styles used in the very first GAA match.

——

Can GAA HQ really brush this one off?

I think not.

Charity or not. It’s a rule broken and would leave them no leg to stand on in future.
They played soccer on a soccer pitch which just happened to be on the same grounds as the gaelic pitch and used the facilities to make sandwiches etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9996961,-7.5167662,3a,75y,296.81h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKHxBzWqL7w8Az506OnYB9Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I hate the rules are rules mentality.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 25, 2019, 05:21:27 PM
so it wasn't played on a pitch owned by the GAA?

are community, non GAA events banned from GAA grounds?
eg community field days?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Kickham csc on April 25, 2019, 06:04:00 PM
so it wasn't played on a pitch owned by the GAA?

are community, non GAA events banned from GAA grounds?
eg community field days?

So in summary
Club didn't organize the tournament, the charity did
It has been determined that the club broke GAA rules around running an unauthorized tournament
Club has not been suspended yet, but has been given a right to appeal to CCC findings
The club doesn't own the field, it leases it but the field is under the governance of the GAA
We are still not clear if the tournament was played on the GAA field or a soccer field

A lot of questions remain unanswered, and the sticking point goes back to liability.
Did the charity can liability coverage? If it did, this is a non issue, and I expect it to be treated as such.
If it didn't, then the GAA can be rightly annoyed at being exposed to injury liability on a tournament that wasn't sanctioned

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 25, 2019, 06:27:18 PM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.

Yet the GAA are happy to use other sports facilities when it suits them... Anti Finnegsns gsme for example.

The charity argument  is fundamental. Whats more importsnt. Being a cornerstone of the community and raising funfs fir a GAA man or giving soccer a slap they didnt even notice?

I don't agree (obviously). Charity is often used as a reason not to have to abide by usual standards, in this case and many others. Its nothing to do with giving soccer a slap. Were this not for charity, would anyone have an issue? Yet, from a practical point of view (the only way rules can be set and enforced), what difference what its for?

Also, still not getting why a GAA man would want a soccer tournament. And I didn't see any relevant points in his interview.
It was organised by a group of lads he used to play soccer with before he got sick
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 25, 2019, 06:30:12 PM
so it wasn't played on a pitch owned by the GAA?

are community, non GAA events banned from GAA grounds?
eg community field days?

So in summary
Club didn't organize the tournament, the charity did
It has been determined that the club broke GAA rules around running an unauthorized tournament
Club has not been suspended yet, but has been given a right to appeal to CCC findings
The club doesn't own the field, it leases it but the field is under the governance of the GAA
We are still not clear if the tournament was played on the GAA field or a soccer field

A lot of questions remain unanswered, and the sticking point goes back to liability.
Did the charity can liability coverage? If it did, this is a non issue, and I expect it to be treated as such.
If it didn't, then the GAA can be rightly annoyed at being exposed to injury liability on a tournament that wasn't sanctioned
A leased field is not the property of the association
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on April 25, 2019, 07:47:50 PM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.

Yet the GAA are happy to use other sports facilities when it suits them... Anti Finnegsns gsme for example.

The charity argument  is fundamental. Whats more importsnt. Being a cornerstone of the community and raising funfs fir a GAA man or giving soccer a slap they didnt even notice?

I don't agree (obviously). Charity is often used as a reason not to have to abide by usual standards, in this case and many others. Its nothing to do with giving soccer a slap. Were this not for charity, would anyone have an issue? Yet, from a practical point of view (the only way rules can be set and enforced), what difference what its for?

Also, still not getting why a GAA man would want a soccer tournament. And I didn't see any relevant points in his interview.
It was organised by a group of lads he used to play soccer with before he got sick
That's a sensible post amongst some complete nonsense and alomst bigotry posted here. Just accept haters gonna hate and some people clearly think it's 1920 and not 2019 with their anti soccer views/anger.

The gentleman in question used to be invlolved in the GAA club and coached underage teams for them so he's clearly got a history with the club.

A tournament was organised and played there as it was the biggest venue and it would raise the most funds for his treament and family. To me that's the only issue that's important in all this. The last thing he and his family need is all the stress and hassle from the media coverage this has generated and it can't be good for his or their health.

I don't blame the county board for this. If a complaint is made they have to investigate it. To actually make a complaint about the event though you have to so small and petty you could parachute out of a snake's arse. It's also interesting that whoever made the complaint hasn't had the guts to go public while the innocent family have to deal with the fall out from his/her actions.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trailer on April 25, 2019, 08:02:03 PM
A lot of people round the country raised a lot of money to pay for the facilities we see in gaa clubs up and down the country. Other sports are free to do the same for their own grounds - all would benefit from grant/lottery matching. Why should gaa members have to put up with other sports using the facilities they put the work into? The charity argument is the red herring.

Yet the GAA are happy to use other sports facilities when it suits them... Anti Finnegsns gsme for example.

The charity argument  is fundamental. Whats more importsnt. Being a cornerstone of the community and raising funfs fir a GAA man or giving soccer a slap they didnt even notice?

I don't agree (obviously). Charity is often used as a reason not to have to abide by usual standards, in this case and many others. Its nothing to do with giving soccer a slap. Were this not for charity, would anyone have an issue? Yet, from a practical point of view (the only way rules can be set and enforced), what difference what its for?

Also, still not getting why a GAA man would want a soccer tournament. And I didn't see any relevant points in his interview.
It was organised by a group of lads he used to play soccer with before he got sick

Grand. Should’ve just played GAA then. Oh well, all’s well that ends well.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dec on April 25, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0425/1045595-whoever-reported-it-id-like-them-to-see-how-i-live/

This might provide some answers..

The GAA club lease it from the Parish it seems, so I'd say the GAA don't own it per say and to rule on an unofficial tournament was a bit nonsensical.

""I know a lot of people are saying soccer was played, there was a mixture of two sports played that day"

Whoever took it upon themselves to complain about that really needs to have a good hard look at themselves.

I'm sure Croke Park will assist Donegal CCC on how to reverse out of this one.

I know I’m a cynical sort. But I’d expect everyone from the town has been well briefed on how to describe the event to the press; so as to mitigate the severity of their rule-breaking. I’m half expecting one local to claim it was actually a hybrid sport in celebration of the styles used in the very first GAA match.

——

Can GAA HQ really brush this one off?

I think not.

Charity or not. It’s a rule broken and would leave them no leg to stand on in future.
They played soccer on a soccer pitch which just happened to be on the same grounds as the gaelic pitch and used the facilities to make sandwiches etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9996961,-7.5167662,3a,75y,296.81h,86.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKHxBzWqL7w8Az506OnYB9Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I hate the rules are rules mentality.


The resolution on the picture isn't great but it looks like soccer goals on the field nearest the camera, the one surrounded by the running track. Though the picture could be out of date.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: macdanger2 on April 25, 2019, 08:12:40 PM
A tournament was organised and played there as it was the biggest venue and it would raise the most funds for his treament and family. To me that's the only issue that's important in all this. The last thing he and his family need is all the stress and hassle from the media coverage this has generated and it can't be good for his or their health.

On this point, would it not have made sense to bring it to the nearest county ground after it had been refused permission twice? Most counties have at least two designated county grounds.

It seems like the organisers and local county board could have come to some agreement if this was handled correctly. I suspect there's more to it than is being reported.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on April 25, 2019, 08:31:28 PM
A tournament was organised and played there as it was the biggest venue and it would raise the most funds for his treament and family. To me that's the only issue that's important in all this. The last thing he and his family need is all the stress and hassle from the media coverage this has generated and it can't be good for his or their health.

On this point, would it not have made sense to bring it to the nearest county ground after it had been refused permission twice? Most counties have at least two designated county grounds.

It seems like the organisers and local county board could have come to some agreement if this was handled correctly. I suspect there's more to it than is being reported.
Its the local community coming together in their own town/parish for one of their own who's in trouble. It's that simple to me and should have simply been a case of informing the club the tornament was taking place. You can be certain there were members of the GAA club playing in and involved in organising the day's events. It seems to have been a real family event with drinks/food for people to come and just enjoy the day and raise money for a good cause.

Thats what makes it so depressing and a bit frightening some of the hate and posted towards the event/man's health.

Im amazed how all of a sudden so many people are insistent  that the rules must be followed. When a club/inter county player is sent off the 1st thing the team involved does is appeal and look for some technicality to overturn the suspension even though in the vast majority of cases the player was deservedly sent off and no actual sporting reason to overturn the decision.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2019, 08:39:58 PM
Show me one post where anyone has exhibited any form of hate towards the man in question, let alone his health.

Surmising doesn’t work in a threaded message board you twit.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on April 25, 2019, 08:53:33 PM
Show me one post where anyone has exhibited any form of hate towards the man in question, let alone his health.

Surmising doesn’t work in a threaded message board you twit.
Serioulsy!!@@ Your arrogance and ignorance is overwhelming.

This is a young man with a wife and kids who is going to die a slow horrible death from MND so a fundraiser was organised to raise as much money as possible for the family. That point seems irrelevant to heartless b**stards here. Its all about playing soccer on a GAA pitch. Can't do that/ sure they deserved the suspension.  At least the local community have some basic humanity
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 25, 2019, 09:11:33 PM
Show me one post where anyone has exhibited any form of hate towards the man in question, let alone his health.

Surmising doesn’t work in a threaded message board you twit.
Serioulsy!!@@ Your arrogance and ignorance is overwhelming.

This is a young man with a wife and kids who is going to die a slow horrible death from MND so a fundraiser was organised to raise as much money as possible for the family. That point seems irrelevant to heartless b**stards here. Its all about playing soccer on a GAA pitch. Can't do that/ sure they deserved the suspension.  At least the local community have

There has not been one unpleasant comment towards the person or the illness on this thread. In fact there hasn’t been one unpleasant comment about the event or the club either.

But your narrative clearly suits construing the other “side” as the bad guys, and you’re happy to willingly make up absolute horseshit to help you play out this charade.

Yet you call me ignorant?

Wise up child. One day you’ll understand that when rules are open to common sense interpretation, then they’re also open to abuse. Which is why players will often contest suspensions.

This Donegal thing is much closer to black and white. Especially as the club were refused permission twice, and still went on ahead.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on April 26, 2019, 08:41:52 AM
Show me one post where anyone has exhibited any form of hate towards the man in question, let alone his health.

Surmising doesn’t work in a threaded message board you twit.
Serioulsy!!@@ Your arrogance and ignorance is overwhelming.

This is a young man with a wife and kids who is going to die a slow horrible death from MND so a fundraiser was organised to raise as much money as possible for the family. That point seems irrelevant to heartless b**stards here. Its all about playing soccer on a GAA pitch. Can't do that/ sure they deserved the suspension.  At least the local community have

There has not been one unpleasant comment towards the person or the illness on this thread. In fact there hasn’t been one unpleasant comment about the event or the club either.

But your narrative clearly suits construing the other “side” as the bad guys, and you’re happy to willingly make up absolute horseshit to help you play out this charade.

Yet you call me ignorant?

Wise up child. One day you’ll understand that when rules are open to common sense interpretation, then they’re also open to abuse. Which is why players will often contest suspensions.

This Donegal thing is much closer to black and white. Especially as the club were refused permission twice, and still went on ahead.

The GAA had to bring in the DRA to stop players taking court cases against suspensions!!!

How many players down the years (especially at intercounty level) have had bans overturned for technicalities even though they have been rightly sent off. County players/sides will appeal red cards almost automatically these many in hope for a technicality to get away with it. Your attitude is typical of this. I wouldn't take pride in it.  In rugby for example you get one hearing and in soccer you can have the ban INCREASED for frivolously appealing a ban. Unfortunately with attitudes like yours, things won't change. Ahhh sure lets appeal, why not. Ref might have spelt his name wrong on the report. Every year there are articiles looking for the GAA to tighten/overhaul their rule book  but unfortunately nothing ever changes

Well done to the community and the GAA club for supporting the family/charity event & f**k the begrudgers
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2019, 08:58:15 AM
So just to be clear Dublin7, and please correct me if I’m wrong:

1. You favour increased sanctions when a player breaks the rules, to deter them from appealing.

2. You don’t want sanctions applied when a club breaks the rules.

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 26, 2019, 10:25:20 AM
So just to be clear Dublin7, and please correct me if I’m wrong:

1. You favour increased sanctions when a player breaks the rules, to deter them from appealing.

2. You don’t want sanctions applied when a club breaks the rules.
what rule did they break?
the field isn't owned by the gaa
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: MoChara on April 26, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
So just to be clear Dublin7, and please correct me if I’m wrong:

1. You favour increased sanctions when a player breaks the rules, to deter them from appealing.

2. You don’t want sanctions applied when a club breaks the rules.
what rule did they break?
the field isn't owned by the gaa

If the field isn't under the authority of the GAA why did they seek permission from the County to play on it and not whoever actually owns the pitch? Who is liable is something happened on that field, they are the people who's permission is required.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 26, 2019, 12:36:44 PM
 Haven't time to be reading the Treoir but does it refer to grounds "under the control of the Association " rather than owned by?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Kickham csc on April 26, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Haven't time to be reading the Treoir but does it refer to grounds "under the control of the Association " rather than owned by?

5.1 U ses of Property
(a) All property including Grounds, Club Houses, Halls,
Dressing Rooms and Handball Alleys owned or
controlled by units of the Association (“Association
Property”) shall be used only for the purpose of
or in connection with the playing of the Games
controlled by the Association, and for such other
purposes, which accord with the Aims of the
Association, that may be sanctioned from time to
time by Central Council.
(b) Central Council has the power, in exceptional
circumstances, to authorise the use of Association
Property held by a County Committee, Provincial
Council or Central Council for activities other than
those controlled by the Association in accordance
with policy adopted by Central Council.
(c) Central Council has the power to authorise the use
of Association Property which is located outside of
Ireland for games other than those controlled by the
Association.
Penalty:
In the event of any Club, County Committee, or Provincial
Council acting contrary to this Rule, that body shall be
subject to suspension or fine, as deemed appropriate.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 26, 2019, 01:34:35 PM
Thanks Kickham.
If I lease or rent a house or flat from you don't I control it?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: weareros on April 26, 2019, 01:41:48 PM
At the end of the day, the GAA are not doing battle here with Damien Duff, The Irish Times, Dublin 4, the concerned housewives of Ireland; they are doing battle with their own people, the small community spirit that is the lifeblood of the association. They can quote rules all they want. A mans health transcend the rule book. Parishioners were helping one of their own and it was the rules be damned. Time to let it go and say sorry to those people.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 26, 2019, 01:55:05 PM
At the end of the day, the GAA are not doing battle here with Damien Duff, The Irish Times, Dublin 4, the concerned housewives of Ireland; they are doing battle with their own people, the small community spirit that is the lifeblood of the association.

By that logic, the GAA should never discipline anyone, ever.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: weareros on April 26, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
At the end of the day, the GAA are not doing battle here with Damien Duff, The Irish Times, Dublin 4, the concerned housewives of Ireland; they are doing battle with their own people, the small community spirit that is the lifeblood of the association.

By that logic, the GAA should never discipline anyone, ever.

If we lived in a world of black and white, yes. But, say, if you are speeding to the hospital with a sick passenger and a gard pulls you over - does he delay you and give you a speeding ticket because you broke the rules of the road, or does he hop in the squad car and help you get to the hospital pronto. Likewise, the GAA should have used common sense here.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 26, 2019, 04:17:14 PM
At the end of the day, the GAA are not doing battle here with Damien Duff, The Irish Times, Dublin 4, the concerned housewives of Ireland; they are doing battle with their own people, the small community spirit that is the lifeblood of the association.

By that logic, the GAA should never discipline anyone, ever.

If we lived in a world of black and white, yes. But, say, if you are speeding to the hospital with a sick passenger and a gard pulls you over - does he delay you and give you a speeding ticket because you broke the rules of the road, or does he hop in the squad car and help you get to the hospital pronto. Likewise, the GAA should have used common sense here.

False analogy. FWIW, GAA rulebook accommodates force majeure where applicable. But in this case the club ploughed on even after their application for permission was turned down. They had the option of adapting their plans accordingly but chose not to.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 26, 2019, 04:26:55 PM
At the end of the day, the GAA are not doing battle here with Damien Duff, The Irish Times, Dublin 4, the concerned housewives of Ireland; they are doing battle with their own people, the small community spirit that is the lifeblood of the association.

By that logic, the GAA should never discipline anyone, ever.

If we lived in a world of black and white, yes. But, say, if you are speeding to the hospital with a sick passenger and a gard pulls you over - does he delay you and give you a speeding ticket because you broke the rules of the road, or does he hop in the squad car and help you get to the hospital pronto. Likewise, the GAA should have used common sense here.

False analogy. FWIW, GAA rulebook accommodates force majeure where applicable. But in this case the club ploughed on even after their application for permission was turned down. They had the option of adapting their plans accordingly but chose not to.
I think this exchange demonstrates the difference between management and leadership. I pity the future if we continually approach things like this from a can’t do rather than a can do position
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 26, 2019, 04:52:04 PM
So just to be clear Dublin7, and please correct me if I’m wrong:

1. You favour increased sanctions when a player breaks the rules, to deter them from appealing.

2. You don’t want sanctions applied when a club breaks the rules.
what rule did they break?
the field isn't owned by the gaa

According to RTE news last night they broke rule 6.40.   And in the words of the RTE reporter "this all stems from insurance" to which the club spokesperson said "Yes but..."

/Jim.


Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 26, 2019, 06:13:46 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 26, 2019, 06:17:38 PM
Not a chance of this. Too many little Hitlers with a little power that’s gone to their heads and who prefer saying no, to ever make that happen
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: five points on April 26, 2019, 06:18:41 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.

So you ignore rules when it suits?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on April 26, 2019, 06:34:22 PM
That’s not what I said.  Read again, carefully this time good man.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Itchy on April 26, 2019, 07:08:29 PM
If the club asked permission,  were refused and still went ahead then tough shit on them. Put forward a motion to change the rules. I'm tired of this rubbish. No other organisation gets held to this level on contempt. It's ridiculous to see has members here openly support the abusr of the rules of tge organisation that we are all bound to.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: LCohen on April 26, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
If the club asked permission,  were refused and still went ahead then tough shit on them. Put forward a motion to change the rules. I'm tired of this rubbish. No other organisation gets held to this level on contempt. It's ridiculous to see has members here openly support the abusr of the rules of tge organisation that we are all bound to.

For consistency then what punishment should there be for teams and individuals making, facilitating and receiving payment for management and/or players? Given none of these teams or individuals have proposed a rule change and there has been no rule change I presume you will be demanding a ruthless regime to weed offenders out?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: macdanger2 on April 26, 2019, 08:44:39 PM
Any word on what grounds the club are appealing? It might shed some more light on why this panned out they did
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on April 28, 2019, 11:38:48 AM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 12:07:07 PM
I still wonder why they couldn't have played a football (gaelic) game on the GAA pitch?
Why had it to be soccer?
From my long time ago memory of those parts  of Donegal there are pretty decent soccer pitches all around.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: rionach 4 on April 28, 2019, 01:04:23 PM
It saddens me greatly to see Gaa people tear and be torn apart over something that really could have been avoided. I am chairperson of my club for many years now and as such in this instance would have carefully studied the situation with my committee re the request etc. We as a club would have examined all the pro's and cons and the fall-out from the eventual decision to either refuse or go ahead. As chairperson I could not stand over knowingly breaking the rules of the association whether I agree with them or not.

For insurance reasons and others etc the buck would stop with me chairperson of the club. I would accept the committee decision but I would make it quite clear that as Cathaoirleach I cannot preside over the decision to go ahead and play the games even though in my heart I would have the greatest sympathy and support for the family and person in question . Unfortunately the Gaa decision has placed me in this position and I either step down or abide by it. 

I would approach the family and explain carefully the situation however unpalatable it may be and offer every ounce of support in every other way possible.  I could not and never will countenance the F%%%k you approach we will do what we want.

I want to make it clear this is no reflection on that particular clubs committee or chairperson. I would definitely not wish this particular scenario on any club.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Dougal Maguire on April 28, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
Is the insurance that rigidly worded that it only covers Gaelic sports?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 28, 2019, 05:17:37 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 28, 2019, 05:19:14 PM
I still wonder why they couldn't have played a football (gaelic) game on the GAA pitch?
Why had it to be soccer?
From my long time ago memory of those parts  of Donegal there are pretty decent soccer pitches all around.

Have we not established that the soccer was played on a soccer pitch, the issue is they all retired to a GAA clubhouse for refreshments.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 07:24:14 PM
More disinformation?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 28, 2019, 09:23:01 PM
More disinformation?
It appears you were, but its ok. Nobody expects better
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on April 28, 2019, 09:39:43 PM
More disinformation?
It appears you were, but its ok. Nobody expects better
You're the only one claiming it was about refreshments ;)
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: macdanger2 on April 28, 2019, 10:11:14 PM
I still wonder why they couldn't have played a football (gaelic) game on the GAA pitch?
Why had it to be soccer?
From my long time ago memory of those parts  of Donegal there are pretty decent soccer pitches all around.

Have we not established that the soccer was played on a soccer pitch, the issue is they all retired to a GAA clubhouse for refreshments.

When was this established?  ::)
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 28, 2019, 10:26:42 PM
More disinformation?
It appears you were, but its ok. Nobody expects better
You're the only one claiming it was about refreshments ;)
No I am not. Read the thread
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 28, 2019, 10:47:37 PM
More disinformation?
It appears you were, but its ok. Nobody expects better
You're the only one claiming it was about refreshments ;)
I'm trying to think of a similar set up in Roscommon.
Maybe four roads, but that's a community pitch.
Cam Celtic? Again, not a GAA club.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on April 29, 2019, 09:23:57 AM
There was a Donegal journalist on the radio at the weekend discussing this. Turns out they only played one game and not a tournament. It was one part of a series of events that for a parish of 1,500 people raised €85,000. Thast's an incredible effort that has been overshadowed by a complaint put in by a small minded individual who still hasn't come forward to say why he/she complained to the county board. Instead we have a man with MND apologising for people who without asking volunteered/fundraised on his behalf. That's just f**ked up
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on April 30, 2019, 12:22:40 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Kickham csc on April 30, 2019, 01:07:16 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

This issue is quite simple.

The GAA rule book has been established to govern gaelic games, property and the playing rules of the game. There is no section in the rule book that covers charity events, organized by an outside group who wish to use GAA grounds.

If this is a real pressing issue, then we all know how to enact a request for a change to the rule book.

What annoys me is that, while the GAA are not squeaky clean on the Cork or this issue, neither are the organizers of the events. There seems to be an entitled attitude from people outside the organization, who feel that they can use GAA grounds when they want and how they want.

Last year, the FAI got off scott free around the Millar charity event.... why were there no soccer grounds made available to cope with the crowd. Why did the organizing committee not approach the GAA properly instead of ploughing away and using public outcry to get what they want.  Why did the GAA have to bale the soccer community out.

This time, why wasn't a GAA 7 a side tournament organized for the man. Surely a 7 a side tournament would have the same turnout for the family as a soccer one. Easy option, no issues.

But if this is going to be an ongoing issue, provisions need to be made regarding the organization of charity events.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on April 30, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on April 30, 2019, 02:33:54 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 01, 2019, 11:51:10 AM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.

It is absolutely not a fact. Stop lying, its childish.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on May 01, 2019, 02:16:54 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.

It is absolutely not a fact. Stop lying, its childish.


Whatever. I should have known better as I said at the outset. 

Are you Donald Trump?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 01, 2019, 08:31:01 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.

It is absolutely not a fact. Stop lying, its childish.


Whatever. I should have known better as I said at the outset. 

Are you Donald Trump?

Your understanding of this is a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch?

Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on May 02, 2019, 12:22:49 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.

It is absolutely not a fact. Stop lying, its childish.


Whatever. I should have known better as I said at the outset. 

Are you Donald Trump?

Your understanding of this is a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch?


Please try and read this with an open mind.

I'll address your question/deflection later but my reply to you was on this assertion or question you posted:

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch?

The fact is the GAA club have a lease on the parish soccer pitch. You told me this was a lie when it's an established fact. I want you to retract your accusation firstly.

As for your latest question (attempt to deflect from your completely wrong accusation) - it is quite clear the proposed suspension in related to hosting of a tournament without auothorisation. It's rule 6.40 of the GAA Official Guide Part 1 if you need to look it up. I do not know why the GAA authorities denied the permission twice. I do know there is a sanction in under that rule for hosting a tournament without authorisation. I feel the playing of soccer is not the issue here but is being used as a stick to beat the GAA with. I certainly never posted anything to the effect of nor do I think a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch as you put it. All i was doing was pointing out the FACT that the GAA club have a lease on the parish soccer pitch.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 02, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.

It is absolutely not a fact. Stop lying, its childish.


Whatever. I should have known better as I said at the outset. 

Are you Donald Trump?

Your understanding of this is a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch?


Please try and read this with an open mind.

I'll address your question/deflection later but my reply to you was on this assertion or question you posted:

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch?

The fact is the GAA club have a lease on the parish soccer pitch. You told me this was a lie when it's an established fact. I want you to retract your accusation firstly.

As for your latest question (attempt to deflect from your completely wrong accusation) - it is quite clear the proposed suspension in related to hosting of a tournament without auothorisation. It's rule 6.40 of the GAA Official Guide Part 1 if you need to look it up. I do not know why the GAA authorities denied the permission twice. I do know there is a sanction in under that rule for hosting a tournament without authorisation. I feel the playing of soccer is not the issue here but is being used as a stick to beat the GAA with. I certainly never posted anything to the effect of nor do I think a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch as you put it. All i was doing was pointing out the FACT that the GAA club have a lease on the parish soccer pitch.

Fact how? You just saying it doesn't make it true.

There is no scenario where a GAA club has a lease on, maintains and insures a soccer pitch that is in is use as a soccer pitch.

Have a little think about it.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on May 02, 2019, 03:19:44 PM
I believe the gaa should take a good hard look at their rule books and amend for the 21st century.  Words like reasonable,exceptional circumstances,delegation and good faith etc.. might be appropriate in some areas.  If you don’t change you get left behind quickly, what was sensible in 1956 might not be seen as sensible today and changes might be needed to accommodate the present day environment.  Common sense should always be an option when it makes sense and the rule books do not.


Common sense. Does that cover when a club applies for permission, under a rule which has been modified over the years, is refused permission twice but decides to go ahead without permission?

What would be the legal/insurance situation if someone broke their leg in that soccer match? If such a scenario arose and the injured person sued the GAA we'd have the same people saying - oh the GAA should have had everything in place beforehand....need to be more professional....etc.

I'd be fairly sure the reasons the applications were refused could have been addressed but clearly they weren't.

Why would someone sue the GAA if they broke their leg on a soccer pitch?


I shouldn't engage with you becasue you can't have missed this unless you did so deliberately but I'll make an exception in this case.

Who has the lease on the soccer pitch? The GAA club. Can you join the dots now?

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch? Then soccer couldn't be played on it.

The jobsworths are really stretching here


This is a fact. It might not suit your agenda whatever that is but it is a fact.

It is absolutely not a fact. Stop lying, its childish.


Whatever. I should have known better as I said at the outset. 

Are you Donald Trump?

Your understanding of this is a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch?


Please try and read this with an open mind.

I'll address your question/deflection later but my reply to you was on this assertion or question you posted:

Why the hell would a GAA club have a lease on a soccer pitch?

The fact is the GAA club have a lease on the parish soccer pitch. You told me this was a lie when it's an established fact. I want you to retract your accusation firstly.

As for your latest question (attempt to deflect from your completely wrong accusation) - it is quite clear the proposed suspension in related to hosting of a tournament without auothorisation. It's rule 6.40 of the GAA Official Guide Part 1 if you need to look it up. I do not know why the GAA authorities denied the permission twice. I do know there is a sanction in under that rule for hosting a tournament without authorisation. I feel the playing of soccer is not the issue here but is being used as a stick to beat the GAA with. I certainly never posted anything to the effect of nor do I think a GAA club got punished for allowing a soccer game on their soccer pitch as you put it. All i was doing was pointing out the FACT that the GAA club have a lease on the parish soccer pitch.

Fact how? You just saying it doesn't make it true.

There is no scenario where a GAA club has a lease on, maintains and insures a soccer pitch that is in is use as a soccer pitch.

Have a little think about it.


I just said the GAA Club has a lease on the soccer pitch. This is accepted by everyone. You added on the last bit (for whatever reason). If you want to ignore the facts that's your prerogative.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: rosnarun on May 02, 2019, 03:58:14 PM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 02, 2019, 04:28:42 PM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on May 03, 2019, 09:47:39 AM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.


No one said anything about soccer goals or markings. The pitch being talked about is known locally as the soccer pitch. You're been caught bullshitting and are refusing to accept you were wrong.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 03, 2019, 09:50:06 AM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.

Who owns the lease for the pitch?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Kickham csc on May 03, 2019, 11:02:11 AM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.


No one said anything about soccer goals or markings. The pitch being talked about is known locally as the soccer pitch. You're been caught bullshitting and are refusing to accept you were wrong.

Baile Brigín 2, just checking if the following is correct.

Killea FC pitch located at Hillview Manor Road Killea

Naomh Colmcille GAA club, located off N13  Moylemoss, Newtowncunningham,

Does Killea play in Newtowncunningham or Killea?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 03, 2019, 11:20:16 AM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.


No one said anything about soccer goals or markings. The pitch being talked about is known locally as the soccer pitch. You're been caught bullshitting and are refusing to accept you were wrong.
Because it is a soccer pitch...

Why would the GAA operate a functioning soccer pitch?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 03, 2019, 11:21:17 AM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.


No one said anything about soccer goals or markings. The pitch being talked about is known locally as the soccer pitch. You're been caught bullshitting and are refusing to accept you were wrong.

Baile Brigín 2, just checking if the following is correct.

Killea FC pitch located at Hillview Manor Road Killea

Naomh Colmcille GAA club, located off N13  Moylemoss, Newtowncunningham,

Does Killea play in Newtowncunningham or Killea?

According to their internet, both.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 03, 2019, 11:42:06 AM
I think the 'facts'  here the community built a facilty which was in use bu a cocker club and an athlethic club . but as is the way of most soccer clubs  it  eventually became defuct as did the athletic club so the GAA in need of Space took over the lease of the grounds from the  community council , the field is still known as the soccer pitch but is in reality a GAA pitch same as any other GAA pitch  and Subject to the same rules .

You mean Killea FC who use the pitch?

Come on lads, get real here. Soccer was played on a soccer pitch. If the GAA took it over the goals and markings would be GAA ones.

Think what you are arguing. The GAA pay a lease on and maintain a soccer pitch for the soccer community?!? All media states its a soccer pitch, used to play soccer.


No one said anything about soccer goals or markings. The pitch being talked about is known locally as the soccer pitch. You're been caught bullshitting and are refusing to accept you were wrong.
Because it is a soccer pitch...

Why would the GAA operate a functioning soccer pitch?

I've asked already, but who owns the lease then?

EDIT - Found out myself. GAA lease the pitch free of charge from the Parish.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 03, 2019, 01:33:21 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.

Absolutely, but it was just in relation to BB2 maintaining the GAA didn't have a lease on the soccer pitch that was confusing me. But it seems he was incorrect. 
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 03, 2019, 01:53:10 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
And Rule 42 every weekend? Yet the snitch didnt bother reporting that.

Lads, if you believe the GAA control a soccer pitch at a cost on behalf of a soccer club I have some magic beans for sale.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2019, 02:05:28 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.

Absolutely, but it was just in relation to BB2 maintaining the GAA didn't have a lease on the soccer pitch that was confusing me. But it seems he was incorrect.
That soccereejit lives in a parallel Universe ::)
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 03, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
And Rule 42 every weekend? Yet the snitch didnt bother reporting that.

Lads, if you believe the GAA control a soccer pitch at a cost on behalf of a soccer club I have some magic beans for sale.

I don't know why you are amending your claims each time. Now it's at a cost? A lease is a lease. The value of that lease is irrelevant.

Regardless, if you can point to something that would prove the articles that I've read wrong, then I'm quite happy to accept that the GAA didn't have a lease (As I'm only going on the media reports I've read and I know the media is not always right). But at the minute I've read a number of articles that state the GAA have a lease of the pitch. So, and apologies if this sounds rude, given the nature of a lot of your posts to take pot shots at the GAA (And some rightly) I am going to need a bit more from you than some childish post about beans to make me believe you are correct.   
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: sligoman2 on May 03, 2019, 08:36:22 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0503/1047393-donegal-club-escapes-ban-after-appeal/

Ban lifted, common sense prevailed.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2019, 08:50:04 PM
2 fines of €250 and no home adult games for 12 weeks.
So obviously still guilty of breach of rules.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on May 04, 2019, 12:06:32 PM
2 fines of €250 and no home adult games for 12 weeks.
So obviously still guilty of breach of rules.

Dont understand the bitterness towards the club/soccer. The only thing the club is guilty of helping is helping a member of the community . I thought that's what the GAA is all about.. Apparently not here though. I wonder what will the fine go towards? I doubt they county board will donate it to MND research. I also wonder is the ahole who submitted the complaint happy with the verdict today
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Lar Naparka on May 04, 2019, 02:26:43 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Why so?  If the GAA don't own the property, who dictates the terms of the lease.? Imo, the parish should unless the terms of the lease expressly stated otherwise.
In any event, nobody here seems to have a clue about the real state of affairs. It's hearsay or downright prejudice all the way. We may never get the real story but  nobody involved in the parish is willing to spill the beans.







Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: thewobbler on May 05, 2019, 12:07:57 AM
If they accept a €500 fine and the senior team home match ban, it’s indication enough that the rules were flouted.

Let’s leave aside the good nature of why they were flouted.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 05, 2019, 08:51:37 AM
You'd wonder what parallel universe some people in the GAA are living in.

I don't understand the animosity towards soccer.
At least junior soccer leagies are able to orgasnise their fixtures properly for a season
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on May 05, 2019, 08:19:50 PM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Why so?  If the GAA don't own the property, who dictates the terms of the lease.? Imo, the parish should unless the terms of the lease expressly stated otherwise.
In any event, nobody here seems to have a clue about the real state of affairs. It's hearsay or downright prejudice all the way. We may never get the real story but  nobody involved in the parish is willing to spill the beans.
The story is that the the community decided to raise funds for one of their own. The GAA club allowed the use of the pitch and some bitter, small minded individual submitted a complaint to the county board that soccer was played on a GAA pitch.To that scum I can only say I don't know how you sleep at night
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 06, 2019, 08:08:28 AM
You'd wonder what parallel universe some people in the GAA are living in.

I don't understand the animosity towards soccer.
At least junior soccer leagies are able to orgasnise their fixtures properly for a season

I bet these are the same people who think the GAA was right not to allow the Omagh fundraiser etc.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 06, 2019, 08:09:36 AM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Why so?  If the GAA don't own the property, who dictates the terms of the lease.? Imo, the parish should unless the terms of the lease expressly stated otherwise.
In any event, nobody here seems to have a clue about the real state of affairs. It's hearsay or downright prejudice all the way. We may never get the real story but  nobody involved in the parish is willing to spill the beans.
The story is that the the community decided to raise funds for one of their own. The GAA club allowed the use of the pitch and some bitter, small minded individual submitted a complaint to the county board that soccer was played on a GAA pitch.To that scum I can only say I don't know how you sleep at night

Game was played on a soccer pitch that is surrealisticly claimed to be a GAA soccer pitch. Mental gymnastics is the order of the day.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Hound on May 06, 2019, 08:15:35 AM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Why so?  If the GAA don't own the property, who dictates the terms of the lease.? Imo, the parish should unless the terms of the lease expressly stated otherwise.
In any event, nobody here seems to have a clue about the real state of affairs. It's hearsay or downright prejudice all the way. We may never get the real story but  nobody involved in the parish is willing to spill the beans.
The story is that the the community decided to raise funds for one of their own. The GAA club allowed the use of the pitch and some bitter, small minded individual submitted a complaint to the county board that soccer was played on a GAA pitch.To that scum I can only say I don't know how you sleep at night

Game was played on a soccer pitch that is surrealisticly claimed to be a GAA soccer pitch. Mental gymnastics is the order of the day.
BB, I think you are missing a very important point!

The town had a field that was used as a soccer pitch for years and years. The pitch wasn’t called Old Trafford or White Hart Lane, but was called The Soccer Pitch.

Seemingly, it wasn’t used for a while for soccer, so the GAA leased it from the council. For free it seems, but still it then became a GAA pitch. Soccer goals were removed and Gaa goals put in, and it was marked up as a GAA pitch.

But the name of the pitch didn’t change!

The Soccer Pitch was no longer a soccer pitch, but it was still The Soccer Pitch. 😛

Anyway, all resolved now.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 06, 2019, 09:09:45 AM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Why so?  If the GAA don't own the property, who dictates the terms of the lease.? Imo, the parish should unless the terms of the lease expressly stated otherwise.
In any event, nobody here seems to have a clue about the real state of affairs. It's hearsay or downright prejudice all the way. We may never get the real story but  nobody involved in the parish is willing to spill the beans.
The story is that the the community decided to raise funds for one of their own. The GAA club allowed the use of the pitch and some bitter, small minded individual submitted a complaint to the county board that soccer was played on a GAA pitch.To that scum I can only say I don't know how you sleep at night

Game was played on a soccer pitch that is surrealisticly claimed to be a GAA soccer pitch. Mental gymnastics is the order of the day.
BB, I think you are missing a very important point!

The town had a field that was used as a soccer pitch for years and years. The pitch wasn’t called Old Trafford or White Hart Lane, but was called The Soccer Pitch.

Seemingly, it wasn’t used for a while for soccer, so the GAA leased it from the council. For free it seems, but still it then became a GAA pitch. Soccer goals were removed and Gaa goals put in, and it was marked up as a GAA pitch.

But the name of the pitch didn’t change!

The Soccer Pitch was no longer a soccer pitch, but it was still The Soccer Pitch. 😛

Anyway, all resolved now.
Soccer posts and markings still up, still used as a soccer pitch. Hence they played soccer on it.

As I said, mental gymnastics
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 06, 2019, 09:51:32 AM
And we thought Syferus was bad...... ::)
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 06, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
And we thought Syferus was bad...... ::)

Have Syferus and Baile Brigín 2 ever been seen in the same room.....? Hmmmm
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 06, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
Jasus.....
I wouldn't like to get trapped in that room :D
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2019, 08:42:03 AM
Then it's controlled by the GAA and that rule (6.40??) applies.
Why so?  If the GAA don't own the property, who dictates the terms of the lease.? Imo, the parish should unless the terms of the lease expressly stated otherwise.
In any event, nobody here seems to have a clue about the real state of affairs. It's hearsay or downright prejudice all the way. We may never get the real story but  nobody involved in the parish is willing to spill the beans.
The story is that the the community decided to raise funds for one of their own. The GAA club allowed the use of the pitch and some bitter, small minded individual submitted a complaint to the county board that soccer was played on a GAA pitch.To that scum I can only say I don't know how you sleep at night

Game was played on a soccer pitch that is surrealisticly claimed to be a GAA soccer pitch. Mental gymnastics is the order of the day.
BB, I think you are missing a very important point!

The town had a field that was used as a soccer pitch for years and years. The pitch wasn’t called Old Trafford or White Hart Lane, but was called The Soccer Pitch.

Seemingly, it wasn’t used for a while for soccer, so the GAA leased it from the council. For free it seems, but still it then became a GAA pitch. Soccer goals were removed and Gaa goals put in, and it was marked up as a GAA pitch.

But the name of the pitch didn’t change!

The Soccer Pitch was no longer a soccer pitch, but it was still The Soccer Pitch. 😛

Anyway, all resolved now.
Soccer posts and markings still up, still used as a soccer pitch. Hence they played soccer on it.

As I said, mental gymnastics

And the point you have been constantly trying to deny is that the GAA have a lease on the pitch regardless of whether there is soccer goals or Gaelic goals . And as such fall in line with the GAA rules. I have no problem with you arguing about the complexity of whether that rule should exist or not, but you've acted dishonestly throughout this discussion so your credibility is a bit shot IMO.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: magpie seanie on May 07, 2019, 02:25:19 PM
And we thought Syferus was bad...... ::)

Have Syferus and Baile Brigín 2 ever been seen in the same room.....? Hmmmm


I think you might have it.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2019, 11:20:51 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0508/1048162-naomh-colmcille-accept-punishment-for-hosting-soccer/

Thread can be closed now!!
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on May 08, 2019, 11:26:29 AM
And we thought Syferus was bad...... ::)

Have Syferus and Baile Brigín 2 ever been seen in the same room.....? Hmmmm
I thought I was Paul Kimmage?
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: Rossfan on May 08, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
Alice in Wonderland more like.
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 08, 2019, 12:52:00 PM
And we thought Syferus was bad...... ::)

Have Syferus and Baile Brigín 2 ever been seen in the same room.....? Hmmmm
I thought I was Paul Kimmage?

You are....I'm taking the piss you gimp....
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: dublin7 on May 11, 2019, 12:42:29 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0508/1048162-naomh-colmcille-accept-punishment-for-hosting-soccer/

Thread can be closed now!!
Indeed. The club haven't demied the charge and willing to accept the ban to avoid further stress for the family.

What a f**kin joke the whole episode has been. Whoever pays the fine I hope they pay in cash and cover the money in blood to show how farcical this has been.   
Title: Re: Another PR disaster
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 12, 2019, 02:35:56 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0508/1048162-naomh-colmcille-accept-punishment-for-hosting-soccer/

Thread can be closed now!!
Indeed. The club haven't demied the charge and willing to accept the ban to avoid further stress for the family.

What a f**kin joke the whole episode has been. Whoever pays the fine I hope they pay in cash and cover the money in blood to show how farcical this has been.
Chop every note in half