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Title: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on February 17, 2017, 09:44:25 PM
Anyone worried at the state of the GAA Belfast?

- Colin Gaels field no boys team in hurling and football
- McDermotts has folded 3 or4 years ago
- Dwyers has no teams
- St Agnes/Eire Og/ Lisburn are amalgamated at juvenile level to field
- St Teresas & Davitts aren't fielding at u16 and minor

Many clubs are also struggling with only one pitch unlike many south west clubs who have 2 pitches....
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 10:00:46 PM
I'm not saying that there aren't problems but

Colin Gaels and Dwyers not fielding?? Being honest, I've never seen either play at any level.

As regards the other clubs mentioned, haven't they historically struggled with numbers at underage?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on February 17, 2017, 10:24:57 PM
The point is that the overall player numbers/clubs is down over the last decade and no new clubs are emerging - Colin Gaels is in a highly populated area and it's disappointing not to see a new strong club emerge
St Enda's, a North Belfast club, moved to North Antrim for hurling and South West Antrim for football some years ago due to a lack of games in Belfast
My own take is that we as an organisation are spending, and I know this is heresy to say, too much money & time on coaching and not enough time on proper fixturing. Teams are training for 7/8 months and only getting 10 or 12 games and hence players walk away....

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: BrendanAntrim on February 17, 2017, 10:39:18 PM
Well when we provide U16s footballers with an 8 game league - 8 games - that's just not good enough Soccer by contrast is able to provide 20 games in a row, without fail, every Saturday am.

If we can't get more than 5 teams to enter Div 1 U16 football in south Antrim, then its time to move to all county.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: delgany on February 17, 2017, 10:48:34 PM
Agree with brendan ....some serious big clubs opting out of div 1 u16 ..can't deal with competition.
This has a negative impact on junior clubs underage teams. They are trying to compete in an uneven playing field. Players drift away due to one side nature of games in S A . (Or they move to super clubs ! )    this is wrong .
In SW your league position is determined by how your  team did two years previously.
I think a 3 grade u16 all county league is the way to improve..player sustainability .
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 10:49:12 PM
So, are our divisional boards failing? Or is the South Antim board in particular failing?

The reason I ask. Not too long ago, certain individuals were kicking up that the county board were going to do away with divisional boards. This was mainly triggered by Sean Boyle, Chairman of South Antrim board. (A crying match of "Anti saffron vision" people sticking the oar in.)
Anyway, it appeared unfounded and they didn't do away with them.

Next question, should they?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Galer on February 17, 2017, 11:00:02 PM
Did anyone ever try to copy the dublin clubs model?south west teams have 2 pitches because they put massive amounts of work in. Are ckubs in belfast doin enough?i dont think it.playing the blame game?leaving it to schools to do the work? I understand facilities are a big factor and room for expansion isnt really feasible but generally when enough people put there shoulder to the wheel through hard work and positivity things improve.if your club is in bother why not approach a dublin club to view there model and how they got the players back.i read that burren went to dublin to see how one club operated.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 11:06:32 PM
You need to take a wisener to be quite honest.
"South West teams have a second pitch because they put a massive amount of work in."

True. We'll just phone Sarsfields and tell them how much work we've put in.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Galer on February 17, 2017, 11:13:14 PM
Well hs i know portglenone had a draw that raised over 3 now i dont know abt u but at 20 a pop thats some door knockin.all the clubs in the south west,derry and tyrone fundraise in this manner maybe we wouldnt b as slick as the sars lads
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 11:18:26 PM
I know all about it. I had Trillick at my door the other night.
They'd be doing well to buy a pitch in Belfast mind you.

Anyway, is money the reason for difficulties in Belfast GAA?
Also, is Antrim a quare spot for GAA with Belfast lagging behind?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: paddyjohn on February 17, 2017, 11:34:18 PM
I know all about it. I had Trillick at my door the other night.
They'd be doing well to buy a pitch in Belfast mind you.

Anyway, is money the reason for difficulties in Belfast GAA?
Also, is Antrim a quare spot for GAA with Belfast lagging behind?

Trillick selling tickets in the city?

Has this subject not been discussed before on here?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 17, 2017, 11:39:10 PM
I know all about it. I had Trillick at my door the other night.
They'd be doing well to buy a pitch in Belfast mind you.

Anyway, is money the reason for difficulties in Belfast GAA?
Also, is Antrim a quare spot for GAA with Belfast lagging behind?

Trillick selling tickets in the city?

Has this subject not been discussed before on here?
Trillick don't miss a trick.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2017, 12:18:17 AM
Did anyone ever try to copy the dublin clubs model?south west teams have 2 pitches because they put massive amounts of work in. Are ckubs in belfast doin enough?i dont think it.playing the blame game?leaving it to schools to do the work? I understand facilities are a big factor and room for expansion isnt really feasible but generally when enough people put there shoulder to the wheel through hard work and positivity things improve.if your club is in bother why not approach a dublin club to view there model and how they got the players back.i read that burren went to dublin to see how one club operated.

Jesus lad, facilities are great but if you've no team to use them then what's the point?? We've had 2 pitches for donkeys years, it's how you develop your kids that makes a difference... for a lot of teams to build facilities in Belfast will cost a hell of a lot more than it does up the country...

St Theresa's have two pitches but struggle Sarsfields have great facilities too and they ain't setting things on fire
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: JimStynes on February 18, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
More coaching is needed in the schools. All over the county. Starting at foundation and KS1. The county coaches like Paul Doc are flat out and need more help!
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dreen on February 18, 2017, 11:34:30 AM
I think schools coaching is a minimal part of it. You can get kids playing the game but it's all about clubs developing them.
IMO clubs need more volunteers to run them correctly thus providing the platform for they players they have. The top clubs are well structured and have plenty of help in coaching/administration/ fundraising/ facilities. Some clubs have the same people doing everything and no matter how good the person is, if you spread yourself too thin you lose the taste.
Getting coaches into schools will not sort this and this is a problem in the whole of Antrim not just Belfast.

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on February 18, 2017, 01:54:31 PM
Since a started this debate last night there have been a number of quality contributions

- A 5 team Div 1 league in SA giving only 8 matches is shocking! The SA board can't control who enters the competition but when they saw the entrants surely they must have thought we better do something here ...hook up with SW, All county etc - anyone know if they tried to find a solution?
- Belfast clubs lack off facilities - St Johns,St Pauls, Sarsfields, Rossa are all land locked with no room to expand and with no land its harder to get a plan together. Having another pitch at another venue isn't ideal but that is the road these clubs have to go down unless at county level some council pitches can be acquired for solely GAA use thinking of Boucher / Falls Park / Woodlands but these type of proposal need county board involvement and leadership

There is no one solution for the worrying signs in Belfast / SA (SW won the minor, u21, junior, intermediate, senior football championship last year) but the county board seem to be focused on Casement and the count Hurling scene in all public statements....
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dreen on February 18, 2017, 04:09:09 PM
Clubs in Belfast have to address that themselves when it comes to not winning any championships last year. It's not as if the county board is promoting football in the south west and that success was not all about pitches and development. City teams having as much access to gym/4g as country clubs.

As for all county underage leagues, it's difficult. I know from our experience our minors had a couple of seasons with very few games with some clubs not travelling out of the city on a Tuesday night. I can totally understand why, it's hard to get long distance games in midweek for teams in the county.

Start with the club structures and the rest will come and in my opinion either revamp the development squads or get rid of them completely. 
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Galer on February 19, 2017, 12:13:56 AM
My arguement is not about having to prices it is about ur club members pushing on and working hard to be as successful as they can.sw clubs who have a far smaller pick work very hard to sustain and grow there clubs(not saying indivuals dont do it in belfast) but its seems that sw put more into there coaching.yes there is the parish side but in belfast if ur da plays and his da is that not tradition enough to get the young boy out.seems such people in belfast would rather be seen on county boards rather than go and coach an 8 year old(eg ccc)
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: StGallsGAA on February 19, 2017, 10:50:07 AM
Anyone worried at the state of the GAA Belfast?

- Colin Gaels field no boys team in hurling and football
- McDermotts has folded 3 or4 years ago
- Dwyers has no teams
- St Agnes/Eire Og/ Lisburn are amalgamated at juvenile level to field
- St Teresas & Davitts aren't fielding at u16 and minor

Many clubs are also struggling with only one pitch unlike many south west clubs who have 2 pitches....

While the teams you mention are struggling for their own reasons others are doing very well.  Outside of the big clubs St Paul's, Sarsfields, St John's, Lamh Dearg are all on the up in the West while Southside St Brigids has sideshow-Joe as its unelected president/ recruiting eejit agent and  Bredagh is prospering.  The North of the City is a problem tho with Ardoyne making no headway at all. 
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
Too many clubs in Belfast with no great structure to fix it.... that's been happening for years but they've managed to produce a greater amount of championship than the SW ever has and not just within Antrim! So in a season or two were the SW manage to win things it's now a crisis for Belfast GAA??

When Belfast clubs were winning did it become a crisis for SW clubs?? No, it's just their turn to produce winning teams, in a few years it will be someone else's turn..it will be a crisis when the numbers drop cause in my view based on teams from late 70's early 80's the numbers weren't great compared to now
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: outinfront on February 19, 2017, 11:36:09 AM
With Ardoyne gaining promotion to Div2 (all be it they will struggle) and the new facilities at the cricky there's some progress no?
I also know some young fellas who are involved in the youth coaching.
Not sure about their numbers but I would see the above as positives no?

I assume this thread is more aimed towards antrim but on our club the senior footballers are now senior championship so I would hope we can push on and get more youth through to keep us at that level.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: paddyjohn on February 19, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
Was it not suggested on the football thread before Christmas that south antrim kill off all "small" clubs that don't put our team and let players move to big clubs like Rossa, St Johns & St Galls?

I know my own club suffered with teams not travelling from the city during the week for minor football so all county leagues don't work.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 19, 2017, 02:45:09 PM
Ha! Here we go again....
Belfast teams don't fulfil their fixtures at underage.
Where have we heard that before?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2017, 02:47:56 PM
Was it not suggested on the football thread before Christmas that south antrim kill off all "small" clubs that don't put our team and let players move to big clubs like Rossa, St Johns & St Galls?

I know my own club suffered with teams not travelling from the city during the week for minor football so all county leagues don't work.

They do work, I've refereed enough games to see games being called off in both directions or teams playing with very understrength sides and getting a mauling...

There are too many clubs in Belfast, is completely different to killing off smaller clubs, but sure you go ahead and make things up
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 19, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
SW have a clean sweep of football trophies for 1 year and Belfast GAA is on its knees. Some of you boys are clean mad.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: paddyjohn on February 19, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
SW have a clean sweep of football trophies for 1 year and Belfast GAA is on its knees. Some of you boys are clean mad.

My first part was sarcasm lol
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2017, 05:03:56 PM
SW have a clean sweep of football trophies for 1 year and Belfast GAA is on its knees. Some of you boys are clean mad.

My first part was sarcasm lol

You'd need to put some smiley face on end of it, that way we'd know you're not being a dick  :o
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: paddyjohn on February 19, 2017, 06:19:54 PM
SW have a clean sweep of football trophies for 1 year and Belfast GAA is on its knees. Some of you boys are clean mad.

My first part was sarcasm lol

You'd need to put some smiley face on end of it, that way we'd know you're not being a dick  :o

You'd need to f**k aff..
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2017, 06:29:07 PM
SW have a clean sweep of football trophies for 1 year and Belfast GAA is on its knees. Some of you boys are clean mad.

My first part was sarcasm lol

You'd need to put some smiley face on end of it, that way we'd know you're not being a dick  :o

You'd need to f**k aff..

Are you being sarcastic??
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Usain on February 19, 2017, 10:10:17 PM
Well when we provide U16s footballers with an 8 game league - 8 games - that's just not good enough Soccer by contrast is able to provide 20 games in a row, without fail, every Saturday am.

If we can't get more than 5 teams to enter Div 1 U16 football in south Antrim, then its time to move to all county.

I think this is one of the most important points here. All underage boys/girls want is to play games. We (Antrim GAA) need to be smarter here and ensure all our children are getting as many games as a young boy/girl from a soccer/rugby background. Do whatever it takes to make this happen. There must be a simple solution to this.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dunloy realist on February 20, 2017, 09:12:41 AM
having facilitates is great but without the youth there to take the benefit then theres  no point in having it all there.

The country clubs have the benefit of being the only main focus in an area.We have soccer etc in Dunloy but it has no sway whatsoever compared to the GAA. The pitch is the focal point of the village, much the same as all other places like Lgiel, Cargin, etc so most parents will send thier kids there. All their mates from school etc are all there so 90% of kids in each primary school class will all be there at some poiint to play all of the codes.

Its kind of unfair to compare country and city clubs in this sense for that reason as theres so much more for kids to be involved in within Belfast. we dont compete with anything else for all the kids to come along.

That being said it isn't taken for granted that they will automatically just turn up. we have a mass of vols who want to coach the kids at each level, development committees for all 3 codes set up to try and continually improve the kids and look to ways of fund raising etc. Mobilisation of vols who want to help the kids is the key. If you can get that in place each year then your on to a good start and also keeping them their each year.

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: btdtgtt on February 20, 2017, 09:57:33 AM
Just seeing and catching up on this.
Huge area but here goes wrapping around a few points that have been made:

1) Clubs folding
Whilst I don't take any pleasure in this, I've yet to meet anyone who doesn't agree we have too many Clubs in Belfast. Call it Darwinian, but some have got to go.

2) Hard work
The point about some clubs having worse facilities because they didn't put work in was as comical as it is insular. Not even worthy of discussion.

3) Facilities
Yes we lack behind - with land area the main reason. On the other side there's no shortage of facilities for hire, but boy do they know how to charge!

4) Community
Rural clubs are a fantastic community focus in more ways than city clubs unfortunately. But there's no point crying about it. As incredible as it sounds the ceasefire took away some emphasis for parents to throw kids into the GAA as an expression of Irishness - soccer rugby and some outlandish activities are even more of a distraction now.

5) Divisional Boards
If there's meaningful games happening at a certain level or code great, but the county must step in if this is not the case - and prioritise an all county set-up to provide this.

So what do we do about it?

Jeez lads I wish I knew!

Certainly no shortage of hard-workers across clubs.
Easy to say get into the primary schools, and that's true, but there's so much more problems to overcome there than merely GAA promotion.

I suppose the one thing we all agree on in that our youngsters need to be playing meaningful well run games week in week out. That's the building block - and it's not always happening at present.
Maybe then we can tackle the on going massive drop off from U16/minor to senior level.

Justa bit of a rant off my head from memorising some of points on the thread there!
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: NAG1 on February 20, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
Some one correct me if I am wrong.

Did we not have a specific strategy for Belfast?
Did 'we' not employ some one to implement said strategy?

Did anything ever come of this?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dunloy realist on February 20, 2017, 10:16:17 AM
i know from being involved in the camogie that its also really bad as well. theres not a single belfast club competes in the county minor championship and only 1 in div 1 at U16 level as well.

For some reason the girls football is doing really well in belfast so something is being done right on that end.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 20, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
Some one correct me if I am wrong.

Did we not have a specific strategy for Belfast?
Did 'we' not employ some one to implement said strategy?

Did anything ever come of this?
Ardu Bheal Feirste. I don't think it progressed beyond paper.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: City Dweller on February 20, 2017, 10:22:13 AM
I wouldn't say Belfast GAA is dying at all. Yeap there are some clubs not fielding at all levels, but there are some other clubs where at underage level they are flying.. St Pauls, Sarsfields, St Brigids, Bredagh, Rossa +Davitts (Hurling), St Galls. There are more clubs hurling in the SA leagues than in recent years.

However there is a problem at the teenage years and BrendanAntrim and Usain call it correctly, the lack of games or lack meaningfully games from at U14 and U16 in SA is worrying.

8 league games for U16 Div 1  (a fair chunk of them over GCSE exams) is not going to develop senior players of the future.

At U14 all the clubs are lumped into one “grading” league, this results in a lot of one sided games, and FTFs.

Surely the County officials/and coaching need to be urgently looking at the structure at these levels? As SA clubs seem to be more concerned with U12 teams not having numbers shirts.

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: btdtgtt on February 20, 2017, 12:23:58 PM
i know from being involved in the camogie that its also really bad as well. theres not a single belfast club competes in the county minor championship and only 1 in div 1 at U16 level as well.

For some reason the girls football is doing really well in belfast so something is being done right on that end.

It's the girls football that's killing the camogie.
Nature of the sports is it's easier to teach and learn.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: btdtgtt on February 20, 2017, 12:25:52 PM
I wouldn't say Belfast GAA is dying at all. Yeap there are some clubs not fielding at all levels, but there are some other clubs where at underage level they are flying.. St Pauls, Sarsfields, St Brigids, Bredagh, Rossa +Davitts (Hurling), St Galls. There are more clubs hurling in the SA leagues than in recent years.

However there is a problem at the teenage years and BrendanAntrim and Usain call it correctly, the lack of games or lack meaningfully games from at U14 and U16 in SA is worrying.

8 league games for U16 Div 1  (a fair chunk of them over GCSE exams) is not going to develop senior players of the future.

At U14 all the clubs are lumped into one “grading” league, this results in a lot of one sided games, and FTFs.

Surely the County officials/and coaching need to be urgently looking at the structure at these levels? As SA clubs seem to be more concerned with U12 teams not having numbers shirts.

Valid points indeed.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dunloy realist on February 20, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
i know from being involved in the camogie that its also really bad as well. theres not a single belfast club competes in the county minor championship and only 1 in div 1 at U16 level as well.

For some reason the girls football is doing really well in belfast so something is being done right on that end.

It's the girls football that's killing the camogie.
Nature of the sports is it's easier to teach and learn.

makes sense. I know ladies football was talked about a few years ago around ours but was shot down due to the camogie struggling at that point.

They do seem to have a good structure in place and i notice that they play a speed league at the moment which seems popular, so the football is doing something right.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Hectic on February 20, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
Yeah fff knows, for the size of the population in the city is it certainly not being anywhere near maximized for Gaelic games.  I still feel the primary schools need to be the bedrock but the clubs then play a massive part in taking this forward but there are so many competing priorities across the board these days that parents are putting a limit on the activities that they will take their children to and this is not just in the city. My kids go to swimming, martial arts, football and hurling before trying to fit in the other things we have to do week to week.  I would like them to try soccer and other sports also but something has to give.  I also know other parents are less enthused about running at all in the evenings.  For this reason I think the primary schools are of vital importance as that way every child gets the opportunity to learn and develop and hopefully put pressure on their parents to take them to a local club even if it is not something the parents care too much for.  Further to that within the school you have good numbers rather than training sessions with a handful of kids where even playing a training game cannot be much fun if it is 4 a side let alone competing in blitzes etc.  How do we kick this on - funding - if it is good enough for Dublin then it should be good enough for Belfast/Antrim with clubs then working closely with schools.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: NAG1 on February 20, 2017, 02:40:10 PM
Yeah fff knows, for the size of the population in the city is it certainly not being anywhere near maximized for Gaelic games.  I still feel the primary schools need to be the bedrock but the clubs then play a massive part in taking this forward but there are so many competing priorities across the board these days that parents are putting a limit on the activities that they will take their children to and this is not just in the city. My kids go to swimming, martial arts, football and hurling before trying to fit in the other things we have to do week to week.  I would like them to try soccer and other sports also but something has to give.  I also know other parents are less enthused about running at all in the evenings.  For this reason I think the primary schools are of vital importance as that way every child gets the opportunity to learn and develop and hopefully put pressure on their parents to take them to a local club even if it is not something the parents care too much for.  Further to that within the school you have good numbers rather than training sessions with a handful of kids where even playing a training game cannot be much fun if it is 4 a side let alone competing in blitzes etc.  How do we kick this on - funding - if it is good enough for Dublin then it should be good enough for Belfast/Antrim with clubs then working closely with schools.

So what do you do with the kids then after they have had their couple of hours of football and hurling per week? Where do they go?

How do you make it sustainable? How do you stop it from just replacing the schools PE for a few weeks?

This has been a myth for a long time now, it is not as simple as just going into schools and running coaching sessions.

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Hectic on February 20, 2017, 03:04:41 PM
That is where the clubs have to then be stepping in and working at engaging the kids and crucially their parents but from my experience unless the parents have a real interest in Gaelic games a lot of them are not overly motivated to bring their children along.  The schools is where you have them all in one place and can sew the seeds.  Good proper coaching in schools and many blitzes to reinforce learning gives you a better chance of the kids getting educated in the games than waiting for them to rock up at their local club.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Last Man on February 20, 2017, 04:18:34 PM
That is where the clubs have to then be stepping in and working at engaging the kids and crucially their parents but from my experience unless the parents have a real interest in Gaelic games a lot of them are not overly motivated to bring their children along.  The schools is where you have them all in one place and can sew the seeds.  Good proper coaching in schools and many blitzes to reinforce learning gives you a better chance of the kids getting educated in the games than waiting for them to rock up at their local club.

The only schools engagement that has a chance of working is on a few fronts. Representation by local club members on the board of govenors.(Sadly gaa members from rival clubs involved with the school quite often have little positive effect)
Local clubs must engage directly with the schools to forge the link back to the club. This is far from easy and involves a massive sacrifice from the club coaches who give so much of their time already. County coaches going into the schools every now and again, well lets just say I am not convinced. Worth a cost/benefit analysis perhaps? Could the CB support club coaches in this role??
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Hectic on February 20, 2017, 04:44:51 PM
Agree with all of what you are saying and funding for me is the crucial link. Whether that is attainable I do not know.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on February 20, 2017, 07:29:48 PM
It's clear there are a lot of people with Antrim GAA at heart and loads of good suggestions for making steps forward. The one issue that stands out for me that could be improved fairly quickly is that of fixtures at u14 and u16 as that seems to be the problem age group. The divisional boards all seem to work independently i.e SA / SW / NA. Surely the County board could bring them together in Jan/Feb and ask them to co-operate in ages/codes that one of them is struggling in and they could share best practices? That way we would have a better chance of every juvenile getting a good amount of games. Maybe the county should set a mandatory number of games for each team at juvenile level and when a divisional board can't make that number of games they have to approach the County for support?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: JimStynes on February 20, 2017, 10:27:30 PM
320 children in the school I teach in. Before I started over a year ago, two played for a club. It's not a traditional GAA stronghold to be fair but good potential there. I have 40 odd going to training now and some starting to go to the local club. The local club to be fair have sent a coach to help me with an after schools club and are giving me as much backing as I need. But we badly need more coaches in the school, especially at foundation and KS1 age groups. The county coaches are completely snowed under and are very hard to get hold of. I managed to get 6 weeks coaching for KS2 PE lesson times. That's it for the year for those classes. I will take my own class for football but I know the other teachers won't be bothered with it. The soccer coaches on the other hand, can come in as much as you want them for the school's particular area (deprived area). They have arranged a league for us and arranged buses to take them to the tournaments. If we want a league/blitz organised then the teachers have to organise it. More can be done!!
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Hectic on February 21, 2017, 08:12:51 AM
320 children in the school I teach in. Before I started over a year ago, two played for a club. It's not a traditional GAA stronghold to be fair but good potential there. I have 40 odd going to training now and some starting to go to the local club. The local club to be fair have sent a coach to help me with an after schools club and are giving me as much backing as I need. But we badly need more coaches in the school, especially at foundation and KS1 age groups. The county coaches are completely snowed under and are very hard to get hold of. I managed to get 6 weeks coaching for KS2 PE lesson times. That's it for the year for those classes. I will take my own class for football but I know the other teachers won't be bothered with it. The soccer coaches on the other hand, can come in as much as you want them for the school's particular area (deprived area). They have arranged a league for us and arranged buses to take them to the tournaments. If we want a league/blitz organised then the teachers have to organise it. More can be done!!

That is exactly the situation I am witnessing and why I believe that all efforts should be made to get as much funding out of headquarters as we possible can to try and provide all the help schools need.  A lot of money was spent/ is being spent in Dublin and a lot of the justification for it would be similar to what we have in Antrim, particularly in Belfast.  Good for the goose, good for the gander.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: johnneycool on February 21, 2017, 08:56:31 AM
320 children in the school I teach in. Before I started over a year ago, two played for a club. It's not a traditional GAA stronghold to be fair but good potential there. I have 40 odd going to training now and some starting to go to the local club. The local club to be fair have sent a coach to help me with an after schools club and are giving me as much backing as I need. But we badly need more coaches in the school, especially at foundation and KS1 age groups. The county coaches are completely snowed under and are very hard to get hold of. I managed to get 6 weeks coaching for KS2 PE lesson times. That's it for the year for those classes. I will take my own class for football but I know the other teachers won't be bothered with it. The soccer coaches on the other hand, can come in as much as you want them for the school's particular area (deprived area). They have arranged a league for us and arranged buses to take them to the tournaments. If we want a league/blitz organised then the teachers have to organise it. More can be done!!

That is exactly the situation I am witnessing and why I believe that all efforts should be made to get as much funding out of headquarters as we possible can to try and provide all the help schools need.  A lot of money was spent/ is being spent in Dublin and a lot of the justification for it would be similar to what we have in Antrim, particularly in Belfast.  Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Dublin went to Croke Park with a coherent plan and the ability to fund these coaches to the tune of %50 of their income.
Until Antrim and the Ulster Council who are responsible for funding the current coaches do that with buy in from clubs you're on a hiding to nothing.
The fact that there's quite a few Antrim/Belfast lads already involved in full time coaching roles for the Ulster council should have made this easier but that doesn't seem to have been the case.
Their piecemeal approach isn't showing any dividend that I can see and we're pulled into the Belfast region in this regard. It says it all when during a hurling development meeting in Down the full time RDO was asked by the secretary of a hurling club exactly what does he do as he didn't know.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Hectic on February 21, 2017, 09:41:16 AM
320 children in the school I teach in. Before I started over a year ago, two played for a club. It's not a traditional GAA stronghold to be fair but good potential there. I have 40 odd going to training now and some starting to go to the local club. The local club to be fair have sent a coach to help me with an after schools club and are giving me as much backing as I need. But we badly need more coaches in the school, especially at foundation and KS1 age groups. The county coaches are completely snowed under and are very hard to get hold of. I managed to get 6 weeks coaching for KS2 PE lesson times. That's it for the year for those classes. I will take my own class for football but I know the other teachers won't be bothered with it. The soccer coaches on the other hand, can come in as much as you want them for the school's particular area (deprived area). They have arranged a league for us and arranged buses to take them to the tournaments. If we want a league/blitz organised then the teachers have to organise it. More can be done!!

That is exactly the situation I am witnessing and why I believe that all efforts should be made to get as much funding out of headquarters as we possible can to try and provide all the help schools need.  A lot of money was spent/ is being spent in Dublin and a lot of the justification for it would be similar to what we have in Antrim, particularly in Belfast.  Good for the goose, good for the gander.

Dublin went to Croke Park with a coherent plan and the ability to fund these coaches to the tune of %50 of their income.
Until Antrim and the Ulster Council who are responsible for funding the current coaches do that with buy in from clubs you're on a hiding to nothing.
The fact that there's quite a few Antrim/Belfast lads already involved in full time coaching roles for the Ulster council should have made this easier but that doesn't seem to have been the case.
Their piecemeal approach isn't showing any dividend that I can see and we're pulled into the Belfast region in this regard. It says it all when during a hurling development meeting in Down the full time RDO was asked by the secretary of a hurling club exactly what does he do as he didn't know.

Yeah and again why good governance is vital.  I do not know enough about the 'Vision' here in Antrim and they have been getting mixed views on the other thread but where I do feel that they deserve time and in my view are taking the correct approach is in that they appear to be hitting the administration side of things first.  Even at club level if you can show good governance you are much more likely to be able to attain grant aid from a number of different sources so it makes sense to get the house in order first in order to try and get the further funding that can be focused on the sporting side of things.  Logical steps and all that.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dunloy realist on February 21, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
your spot on there hectic. We have applied sucessfully for a number of grants, recently there we gained £20k to have our changing rooms renovated. This will start shortly to have the place painted and cleaned up again back to a new state.

As you say, having good governance in place at the club has enabled us to avail of this and other types of funding.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: bogieman on February 27, 2017, 08:06:35 PM
Amalgamation is the way forward, it's needs to be embraced. It will certainly help with the single pitch issue in Belfast...

Some cry they're not getting money/funding and/or help from ulster/Croke, davitt's aren't short of a euro or two, but can't field what should be the most enthusiastic age group of players, the medium-term future of the GAA.
If you think your club needs county board involvement and leadership, this maybe where your club is going wrong...
 

Money will not correct the poor attitudes that have developed of the past 15 years, or more maybe.

Most of the divisional boards are doing very well.

You seriously want u16's to travel the county, been done with minor and clubs can't field during important exam times, they are all children, and parents have got their priorities, and it's what's best for their wanes, it's not on a pitch playing or training.

Children want to play games, not train to exhaustion, because coaches think they need fitness and defensive players to win games, and not have study time - less training and more games in all age groups - simple.

Are there no parishes in Belfast ?

Sounds like someone in stgalls is worried where stbrigits will be in a few years, they must be doing some good work there, as are ardoyne.


I putting a smiley here to cover all of the above, so I don't get shouted at....  :)


Ps. HS, I would like to read the Ardu Bheal Feirste, can you post a link to it if you know one please. I wonder if you caught as many crabs beside that bridge as me...
Pss. DR, there seems to be interest in you starting a girls football thread...
Psss. Hectic, you could start a funding and leadership thread....
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 27, 2017, 08:14:36 PM
Amalgamation is the way forward, it's needs to be embraced. It will certainly help with the single pitch issue in Belfast...

Some cry they're not getting money/funding and/or help from ulster/Croke, davitt's aren't short of a euro or two, but can't field what should be the most enthusiastic age group of players, the medium-term future of the GAA.
If you think your club needs county board involvement and leadership, this maybe where your club is going wrong...
 

Money will not correct the poor attitudes that have developed of the past 15 years, or more maybe.

Most of the divisional boards are doing very well.

You seriously want u16's to travel the county, been done with minor and clubs can't field during important exam times, they are all children, and parents have got their priorities, and it's what's best for their wanes, it's not on a pitch playing or training.

Children want to play games, not train to exhaustion, because coaches think they need fitness and defensive players to win games, and not have study time - less training and more games in all age groups - simple.

Are there no parishes in Belfast ?

Sounds like someone in stgalls is worried where stbrigits will be in a few years, they must be doing some good work there, as are ardoyne.


I putting a smiley here to cover all of the above, so I don't get shouted at....  :)


Ps. HS, I would like to read the Ardu Bheal Feirste, can you post a link to it if you know one please. I wonder if you caught as many crabs beside that bridge as me...
Pss. DR, there seems to be interest in you starting a girls football thread...
Psss. Hectic, you could start a funding and leadership thread....

Apparently St Brigits were to do that 6/7 years ago!
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on February 27, 2017, 08:57:33 PM
http://ulster.gaa.ie/wp-content/uploads/council/strategies/belfast-strategy.pdf

And I won't admit to catching crabs on a public forum.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on February 27, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
What a great plan that was to revive the GAA in Belfast ! Not many of the actions appear to have been completed which makes me think it has been put in the bin. When a new county board takes over perhaps they want their own plan but that's a real shame given the work that clearly went into this.

I wonder if the Antrim Vision county board have a plan to revive the GAA in Belfast?

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: bogieman on February 28, 2017, 08:40:04 AM

Apparently St Brigits were to do that 6/7 years ago!


They must be on a 10 year plan then.  ;)
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on March 09, 2017, 09:44:26 PM
There has been a lot of deserved PR for a u14 girls winter football league recently with 29 teams competing over 10 weeks at the 3-G in North Belfast. This was run by a group called the Belfast Community Network

Wouldn't it be great to have this type of innovation for the boys hurling and football?

Seems the South Antrim board are just going through the motions rather than moving with the times and innovating.......
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: City Dweller on March 10, 2017, 08:36:59 AM
Excellent point, would suggest there is a big gap in Belfast for some sort of football competition involving the North Down Belfast Clubs.

Perhaps at U16, where there is a limited number of games for the U16 Div 1 sides.

Early season Cup competition played over 2 or 3 weekends?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on March 11, 2017, 02:07:33 PM
That sounds like a innovative and practical solution to the lack of fixtures at that age group . The natural inclination is to think of all county leagues but the travel involved in that would be much more than playing County Down Belfast teams - Carryduff & Bredagh spring to mind. I suppose the issue would be getting the 2 boards to work togther and one of them to take the lead

Perhaps its time for a Belfast Board?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: johnneycool on March 12, 2017, 10:49:12 PM
That sounds like a innovative and practical solution to the lack of fixtures at that age group . The natural inclination is to think of all county leagues but the travel involved in that would be much more than playing County Down Belfast teams - Carryduff & Bredagh spring to mind. I suppose the issue would be getting the 2 boards to work togther and one of them to take the lead

Perhaps its time for a Belfast Board?

The current Ulster council coach for the area covers great Belfast, north down and the Ards. He's hardy seen down our way, so he must be beavering away in the big smoke....
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on March 15, 2017, 08:44:47 PM
I didn't know there was an Ulster council coach for Belfast? do you know their remit?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: johnneycool on March 15, 2017, 10:09:41 PM
I didn't know there was an Ulster council coach for Belfast? do you know their remit?

I don't think anyone does
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 15, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
I didn't know there was an Ulster council coach for Belfast? do you know their remit?

I don't think anyone does
Meow.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: johnneycool on March 16, 2017, 08:48:32 AM
I didn't know there was an Ulster council coach for Belfast? do you know their remit?

I don't think anyone does
Meow.

Well a "Belfast GAA man" didn't know of his existence and the man himself had to be asked by the secretary of an Ards hurling club what exactly he does at a recent Down hurling development meeting.

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on March 20, 2017, 09:26:54 PM
Here's a thought:
Belfast GAA had Casement as a jewel in the crown for over 50 years. Due to an Ulster Council run project we have not had Casement for 5 years and likely to be out of commission for another 3 to5 years. Antrim/Belfast GAA doesn't have many things going for it but the honour of playing in Casement was one of them - Should the Ulster Council be paying Antrim GAA for the loss of our historic and iconic venue for a 8 to10 year period? Money we could use to make a new Belfast GAA home in Woodlands or Boucher Road pitches...
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Gall the way on June 28, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
Johnnycool,
I think it's pretty clear what hurling officer  you're referring too and to say he does nothing on a public forum is just wrong. As a coach for my own club the official in question is our point of contact for any go games fixtures we have. He arranges the venues, fixtures etc on a weekly basis. He's in schools coaching and as far as I see on fbook, he plays a big part in the schools competitions structures. Just because a club secretary never knew what this man did, doesn't define any work he does/doesn't do. Remember any f**kwit can be voted in at club positions. I think to publicly criticise (wrongly may I add) on his job is petty. Hes a family and house to cater for etc. Try to remember that.
As for the Belfast plan, I read very recently in the Irish news that it's near completed and will commence soon?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: johnneycool on June 28, 2017, 08:52:41 AM
Johnnycool,
I think it's pretty clear what hurling officer  you're referring too and to say he does nothing on a public forum is just wrong. As a coach for my own club the official in question is our point of contact for any go games fixtures we have. He arranges the venues, fixtures etc on a weekly basis. He's in schools coaching and as far as I see on fbook, he plays a big part in the schools competitions structures. Just because a club secretary never knew what this man did, doesn't define any work he does/doesn't do. Remember any f**kwit can be voted in at club positions. I think to publicly criticise (wrongly may I add) on his job is petty. Hes a family and house to cater for etc. Try to remember that.
As for the Belfast plan, I read very recently in the Irish news that it's near completed and will commence soon?

Where is this all done?

Remember he's also responsible for hurling development in the Ards.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Gall the way on June 28, 2017, 09:10:35 AM
There are 4/5 venues every Saturday in Belfast where I'm pretty sure carryduff and Bredagh attend.
Do the ards teams not have blitzes in Eddie Irvine centre? Be silly to hold something on top of that. To be fair though, if you're asked to cover the whole of Belfast, and the 3 clubs in ards, realistically most of your work would be done within Belfast given the size and amount of schools/clubs to get to. Why can't the ards clubs travel to Belfast for the blitzes? You hardly want him to head up and run a blitz between the 3 clubs where youse are likely doing that anyway?
Also, why don't you try contacting him and asking for the help in whatever aspect of development you're looking for? I'm sure he'd be happy to help rather than have you blast it all over a public forum (which you still haven't acknowledged is bang out of order?!)
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: NAG1 on June 28, 2017, 09:17:46 AM
Think you boys could take this to PM's and get this sorted out.
 ;)
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: johnneycool on June 28, 2017, 10:03:57 AM
There are 4/5 venues every Saturday in Belfast where I'm pretty sure carryduff and Bredagh attend.
Do the ards teams not have blitzes in Eddie Irvine centre? Be silly to hold something on top of that. To be fair though, if you're asked to cover the whole of Belfast, and the 3 clubs in ards, realistically most of your work would be done within Belfast given the size and amount of schools/clubs to get to. Why can't the ards clubs travel to Belfast for the blitzes? You hardly want him to head up and run a blitz between the 3 clubs where youse are likely doing that anyway?
Also, why don't you try contacting him and asking for the help in whatever aspect of development you're looking for? I'm sure he'd be happy to help rather than have you blast it all over a public forum (which you still haven't acknowledged is bang out of order?!)

Fair enough on the public forum bit, but if said individual was to frequent here there is nothing on it that he hasn't been made aware of to his face in another public forum he attended.

Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Gall the way on August 07, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Club Chairperson was at the meeting on Thurs regarding this "belfast plan." Big focus on schools and belfast city council facilities, when asked about support offered to clubs it was basically "we will address that later" by a T.R county board member. Now I know schools should have loads of support from the GAA but surely we could send them to our clubs rather than to a belfast city council facility on which we have to pay money for??
There was a fella called Pat OHagan there, nearly as though he was one of the heads of this plan, to be honest, Ive never heard of this guy? Nothing against him but Does he have experience in sports development or the structures of whats going on in Belfast GAA? I talk to any of our juvenile coaches, as well as some lads from our club that work in the GAA on the ground and none of them were asked their opinion? Should our clubs and current county staff not be consulted rather than TOLD whats happening by those with little experience?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: MoChara on August 07, 2017, 03:28:11 PM
Club Chairperson was at the meeting on Thurs regarding this "belfast plan." Big focus on schools and belfast city council facilities, when asked about support offered to clubs it was basically "we will address that later" by a T.R county board member. Now I know schools should have loads of support from the GAA but surely we could send them to our clubs rather than to a belfast city council facility on which we have to pay money for??
There was a fella called Pat OHagan there, nearly as though he was one of the heads of this plan, to be honest, Ive never heard of this guy? Nothing against him but Does he have experience in sports development or the structures of whats going on in Belfast GAA? I talk to any of our juvenile coaches, as well as some lads from our club that work in the GAA on the ground and none of them were asked their opinion? Should our clubs and current county staff not be consulted rather than TOLD whats happening by those with little experience?

Would it be the same fella as the County Hearing Committee Chairperson,

http://antrimgaa.mmcsolutions.biz/committees/county-hearings-committee
give him a ring there and find out sure lol
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: BrendanAntrim on August 11, 2017, 11:22:17 PM
I don't concur with the subject heading on this thread - the GAA in Belfast isn't 'dying' but we aren't in great shape. here's u16 league 'results' from Div 2 of the league since resumption last week.

Not a game played.


F u16 football 2   3 Aug 2017   Rossa           c/g   v   w/o   Gael an tSleibhe Dhuibh         
F u16 football 2   3 Aug 2017   St Johns           c/g   v   w/o   Pearses         
F u16 football 2   10 Aug 2017   St Johns           c/g   v   w/o   St Brigids B         
F u16 football 2   10 Aug 2017   Pearses           ftf   v   w/o   Gael an tSleibhe Dhuibh         
F u16 football 2   17 Aug 2017   St Brigids B   w/o   v   ftf   Pearses         
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 11, 2017, 11:36:55 PM
I don't concur with the subject heading on this thread - the GAA in Belfast isn't 'dying' but we aren't in great shape. here's u16 league 'results' from Div 2 of the league since resumption last week.

Not a game played.


F u16 football 2   3 Aug 2017   Rossa           c/g   v   w/o   Gael an tSleibhe Dhuibh         
F u16 football 2   3 Aug 2017   St Johns           c/g   v   w/o   Pearses         
F u16 football 2   10 Aug 2017   St Johns           c/g   v   w/o   St Brigids B         
F u16 football 2   10 Aug 2017   Pearses           ftf   v   w/o   Gael an tSleibhe Dhuibh         
F u16 football 2   17 Aug 2017   St Brigids B   w/o   v   ftf   Pearses
Disgraceful. Can't imagine it happening in Tyrone, Derry etc.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on August 11, 2017, 11:39:06 PM
What is c/g?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: jdyok on August 11, 2017, 11:55:07 PM
I think it's 'conceded the game'...
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2017, 12:06:47 AM
There has to be reasons for these?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: BrendanAntrim on August 12, 2017, 07:29:51 AM
Clubs unable to field teams. Lack of numbers of boys playing football. Summer is a factor but still, it's not healthy.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: delgany on August 12, 2017, 11:35:39 AM
Under age fixtures  need a radical rethink.
U16 &18 Fixtures completely fall apart from may to end of August. Exams and holidays - A big factor...at this age ...they go abroad in their droves.
The administrators need to reflect on this.
Start season earlier ....play matches on 4g pitches at later times on Fri /sat .
Copy grading system in Down where teams play 15 /13 /11  and even 9 a side for smallest club's.
It needs to reflect the needs of the players and not what the administration think they need
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on August 19, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
That list of matches not happening at u16 is really bad given what a crucial age group that is.
Does the county board pay an oversight role in monitoring these issues does anyone know or is it just left to congress every year for the south antrim chairperson to tell everyone that everything in the garden is rosy?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: City Dweller on August 28, 2017, 09:37:47 AM
Crazy set up in U16 B Championship, where St John who haven't fielded in second half of league are through to final with out having played a game, as Ardoyne and Pearses have pulled out.

3 teams in the "other side" of draw to battle it out to meet them.

Surely a redraw with 2 semi finals a better option??? - At least reward the teams who are turning out.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: theskull1 on August 28, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
A poor and sorry state of affairs
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on August 28, 2017, 05:31:27 PM
the u16 situation oultined above needs to be widely publicised to get some attenton/support for the clubs, new fixtures plans etc. No doubt in each of those teams that are not fielding there are 9/10 lads who want to play and now won't be playing for the forseeable and may be lost altogether. Its a shame that the press won't spend time highlighting this and chose to get excited about who the next Antrim manager will be when the reality is that the Antrim manager needs u16 / minor to be developing well if Antrim are ever to progress
Any word of this regeneration plan? 
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on March 16, 2018, 05:03:14 AM
Maybe Croke Park will give you some of Dublin's financial doping money. GAA is dying all over the country, due to poor structures and to modern lifestyles, where it's just not important to kids anymore.

The GAA would want to wake up pronto.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on March 16, 2018, 10:43:00 PM
Here's a simple solution to the financial inequality that he is damaging the GAA so badly:
Create rankings for each code, based on League positions and championship results, from 1 to 32
The 1st county, i.e. the best team, get the least central funds for their county to pay for coaches, pitches etc
The 32nd county, i.e. the worst team, get the biggest portion of the central funds to pay for coaches, pitches etc
Review every 3 years and do the rankings again and re-allocate accordingly
Why couldn't this be implemented?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: thewobbler on March 17, 2018, 01:55:10 AM
Here's a simple solution to the financial inequality that he is damaging the GAA so badly:
Create rankings for each code, based on League positions and championship results, from 1 to 32
The 1st county, i.e. the best team, get the least central funds for their county to pay for coaches, pitches etc
The 32nd county, i.e. the worst team, get the biggest portion of the central funds to pay for coaches, pitches etc
Review every 3 years and do the rankings again and re-allocate accordingly
Why couldn't this be implemented?

If I’m getting this right, you’re advocating that Leitrim, population 31,000, should get more money from central funds than Dublin, population 1.8m.

Sorry fella, but this is complete madness.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dunloy realist on March 17, 2018, 09:39:28 AM
i see what hes saying there, its much the same as the way American football works where the worst team at the end of the season gets the first pick of the new college players into their squads.

One team never always remains at the top all the time.

The way the GAA is set up now is becoming an elitist championship where all they care about is the super 8 set up now and the show case games. they dont care about the teams outside of that as they wont make them any money. the big counties will remain at the top all the time and the game will slowly die off outside of it.

A young fella would seriously question why they would train 4 times a week to get 2 games and your season be over before it really even starts for the bigger counties.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: thewobbler on March 17, 2018, 10:39:14 AM
Listen. Leitrim is the size of Newry. You can pump all the money you want into coaching but you can’t change that fact. Comparisons with the NFL are groundless as there are no geographical boundaries.
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Belfast GAA man on March 17, 2018, 12:30:59 PM
My suggestion is aimed at making all counties competitive. As regards the Leitrim example I'm not advocating a blank cheque to each county. The counties still have to put forward properly costed plan to raise standards in their county and so their cut of the central funds is available to be drawn by each county but is not a hand out without conditions.

Surely no-one is happy with the current position in which the the strong get stronger and the weak are getting weaker?
Title: Re: Belfast GAA is dying...
Post by: Dunloy realist on March 17, 2018, 01:16:33 PM
Listen. Leitrim is the size of Newry. You can pump all the money you want into coaching but you can’t change that fact. Comparisons with the NFL are groundless as there are no geographical boundaries.

it was only an example as to explain the rational behind the posters thinking. Im not comparing the GAA to the NFL.

At the current rate the way the GAA is going the bigger counties will remain out of reach for years to come. the amount of funding thats provided to certain counties is by far disproportionate regardless of how many people their are. Every one should be getting the same amount