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Title: The home of hurling
Post by: Asal Mor on July 17, 2012, 01:43:12 PM
Was watching some old matches from the late eighties there. Cork v Tipp Munster finals 87, 88, 89 and Tipp v Antrim 89 All- Ireland final. Some great games especially those Munster finals and some amazing scores from Niicky and Pat Fox in particular. The atmosphere at these games was really intense especially as the Tipp crowds seemed to spend the last 20 minutes gathered behind the opposing team's goal, invading the pitch every time their heroes got a score. It's a good way to end a famine i suppose and sorry for dragging it up again after all these years but I was just curious about why it happened so often. Are Tipp people more passionate about the game than everyone else or are they just an unruly bunch of savages with no regard for rules, fair play and decency?
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2012, 01:51:28 PM
Was watching some old matches from the late eighties there. Cork v Tipp Munster finals 87, 88, 89 and Tipp v Antrim 89 All- Ireland final. Some great games especially those Munster finals and some amazing scores from Niicky and Pat Fox in particular. The atmosphere at these games was really intense especially as the Tipp crowds seemed to spend the last 20 minutes gathered behind the opposing team's goal, invading the pitch every time their heroes got a score. It's a good way to end a famine i suppose and sorry for dragging it up again after all these years but I was just curious about why it happened so often. Are Tipp people more passionate about the game than everyone else or are they just an unruly bunch of savages with no regard for rules, fair play and decency?
Poor ould Tipp spent a long time trying to break out of Munster. I thought they would do it in 84 but it was not to be. 
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Asal Mor on July 17, 2012, 01:57:29 PM
They're going well the last few years though seafoid. Consistently putting it up to The Big 2. That's where I'd like to see Galway get to.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2012, 02:06:50 PM
They're going well the last few years though seafoid. Consistently putting it up to The Big 2. That's where I'd like to see Galway get to.
This year is make or break for Tipp.  3 all Ireland finals and only  one in the bag is a poor enough show
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: johnneycool on July 17, 2012, 02:13:02 PM
Was watching some old matches from the late eighties there. Cork v Tipp Munster finals 87, 88, 89 and Tipp v Antrim 89 All- Ireland final. Some great games especially those Munster finals and some amazing scores from Niicky and Pat Fox in particular. The atmosphere at these games was really intense especially as the Tipp crowds seemed to spend the last 20 minutes gathered behind the opposing team's goal, invading the pitch every time their heroes got a score. It's a good way to end a famine i suppose and sorry for dragging it up again after all these years but I was just curious about why it happened so often. Are Tipp people more passionate about the game than everyone else or are they just an unruly bunch of savages with no regard for rules, fair play and decency?

I think in Justin McCarthy's book he wrote about his time coaching Cashel King Cormacs that even in the changing room the players would be talking about who won what U-10, underage game the previous evening whereas when he'd coached in other counties there'd be far more banter about English soccer and the likes.

Met a few Toomevara lads in New York and they were away with the birds altogether, so a bit of both Asal.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Asal Mor on July 17, 2012, 03:46:20 PM
That's interesting Johnny. I suppose you'd have to say fair play to them for their passion.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: homeofhurling8 on July 17, 2012, 04:17:28 PM

[/quote]This year is make or break for Tipp.  3 all Ireland finals and only  one in the bag is a poor enough show
[/quote]

Well aren't we constantly being told that the current Kilkenny team is the "greatest of all time", i would say beating them in one final and losing by a couple of scores in the other two ain't bad going, if we were to beat them in this years semi then the score would be 2-2 with the "greatest hurling team in history", does that make this Tipp team the second greatest hurling team of all time ;)
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: homeofhurling8 on July 17, 2012, 04:34:41 PM
Was watching some old matches from the late eighties there. Cork v Tipp Munster finals 87, 88, 89 and Tipp v Antrim 89 All- Ireland final. Some great games especially those Munster finals and some amazing scores from Niicky and Pat Fox in particular. The atmosphere at these games was really intense especially as the Tipp crowds seemed to spend the last 20 minutes gathered behind the opposing team's goal, invading the pitch every time their heroes got a score. It's a good way to end a famine i suppose and sorry for dragging it up again after all these years but I was just curious about why it happened so often. Are Tipp people more passionate about the game than everyone else or are they just an unruly bunch of savages with no regard for rules, fair play and decency?


I think its difficult to explain what Killarney 87 meant to Tipp supporters, people my age had never seen Tipp win anything before 87, a whole generation had grown up on stories of our glorious past but we had no stories of our own to pass down to our kids, Killarney changed all that.

I have never felt a high like i felt when the final whistle went that day, nothing before or since will ever match the sheer euphoria of the famine ending, and i include my kids being born and the ending of the drive for five in that !

On the flip side nothing will ever match the low felt in Thurles in 84,maybe us Tipp lads are just wired up wrong ;)
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2012, 04:44:46 PM

This year is make or break for Tipp.  3 all Ireland finals and only  one in the bag is a poor enough show
[/quote]

Well aren't we constantly being told that the current Kilkenny team is the "greatest of all time", i would say beating them in one final and losing by a couple of scores in the other two ain't bad going, if we were to beat them in this years semi then the score would be 2-2 with the "greatest hurling team in history", does that make this Tipp team the second greatest hurling team of all time ;)
[/quote]
Speaking with my Babs Keating hat on, in 1958 if you asked John Doyle if he would  be happy with 1 all Ireland out of 3 trips to Croke Park because Kilkenny were the greatest team ever he would have called you a gaelic footballer.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Oraisteach on July 17, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
Ooops, thought this thread was about Armagh or Louth, Cuchulainn and all.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: johnneycool on July 19, 2012, 09:59:14 AM
Was watching some old matches from the late eighties there. Cork v Tipp Munster finals 87, 88, 89 and Tipp v Antrim 89 All- Ireland final. Some great games especially those Munster finals and some amazing scores from Niicky and Pat Fox in particular. The atmosphere at these games was really intense especially as the Tipp crowds seemed to spend the last 20 minutes gathered behind the opposing team's goal, invading the pitch every time their heroes got a score. It's a good way to end a famine i suppose and sorry for dragging it up again after all these years but I was just curious about why it happened so often. Are Tipp people more passionate about the game than everyone else or are they just an unruly bunch of savages with no regard for rules, fair play and decency?


I think its difficult to explain what Killarney 87 meant to Tipp supporters, people my age had never seen Tipp win anything before 87, a whole generation had grown up on stories of our glorious past but we had no stories of our own to pass down to our kids, Killarney changed all that.

I have never felt a high like i felt when the final whistle went that day, nothing before or since will ever match the sheer euphoria of the famine ending, and i include my kids being born and the ending of the drive for five in that !

On the flip side nothing will ever match the low felt in Thurles in 84,maybe us Tipp lads are just wired up wrong ;)

I was at the Munster final as a youngster in 1987, the drawn game in Thurles. It was something I'll never forget, the throngs in Liberty square before the game, the walk up to the ground, the place was packed to the rafters and the roars of 'Tipp' ringing out through what was then the new stand.
I was on for Cork, but was in awe of the whole event, those were the days!
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on July 19, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
Was watching some old matches from the late eighties there. Cork v Tipp Munster finals 87, 88, 89 and Tipp v Antrim 89 All- Ireland final. Some great games especially those Munster finals and some amazing scores from Niicky and Pat Fox in particular. The atmosphere at these games was really intense especially as the Tipp crowds seemed to spend the last 20 minutes gathered behind the opposing team's goal, invading the pitch every time their heroes got a score. It's a good way to end a famine i suppose and sorry for dragging it up again after all these years but I was just curious about why it happened so often. Are Tipp people more passionate about the game than everyone else or are they just an unruly bunch of savages with no regard for rules, fair play and decency?


I think its difficult to explain what Killarney 87 meant to Tipp supporters, people my age had never seen Tipp win anything before 87, a whole generation had grown up on stories of our glorious past but we had no stories of our own to pass down to our kids, Killarney changed all that.

I have never felt a high like i felt when the final whistle went that day, nothing before or since will ever match the sheer euphoria of the famine ending, and i include my kids being born and the ending of the drive for five in that !

On the flip side nothing will ever match the low felt in Thurles in 84,maybe us Tipp lads are just wired up wrong ;)

I was at the Munster final as a youngster in 1987, the drawn game in Thurles. It was something I'll never forget, the throngs in Liberty square before the game, the walk up to the ground, the place was packed to the rafters and the roars of 'Tipp' ringing out through what was then the new stand.
I was on for Cork, but was in awe of the whole event, those were the days!

They thought they would win the all Ireland straight away as well
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: eviemonkey on July 21, 2012, 03:07:14 PM
Tipp were ravenous for a win in the 1984 Munster Final for obvious reasons - their own famine period, Cork on their home patch and the Centenary Final to be played in Semple Stadium. It was an ordinary enough Tipp team compared to the one that followed but they played above themselves roared on by a passionate home crowd. The atmosphere that day was spell-binding, walls of noise whenever either team scored. The dramatic finish turned what was already a great occasion into one of the all-time great games imo. I was young enough at the time but can remember the Tipp support been totally deflated at the end, many too numb to leave their seats in the stand until the Cork crowd had left first.

When you consider the disappointment of that day, and another close game in 1985 you could understand their outpouring of joy/relief in Killarney in 1987 but they had to wait another couple of years to bring Liam back to Tipp.

Great games, great memories of Cork and Tipp between 1984 and 1992. The 1984 Munster Final would be my personal favourite hurling game but even in defeat you could still marvel at the games you lost - 1987 replay and the 1991 replay. The Cork and Tipp rivalry is a friendly one with a lot of mutual respect for the other county.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Ash Smoker on July 24, 2012, 09:59:06 AM
I would concur that Tipperary supporters come across as the most outwardly passionate hurling followers.
With Cork you always get the feeling that as much as they love their hurling, they don't let defeat eat them up. With a large city base, there are other sports and distractions too.
Kilkenny supporters are much more serious and reserved. They wouldn't be renowned for having the craic.

I remember once seeing a Tipperary pitch invasion where a man in a wheelchair was tearing across the pitch at the same speed as those who were sprinting.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Premier Emperor on July 30, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
Tipp were ravenous for a win in the 1984 Munster Final for obvious reasons - their own famine period, Cork on their home patch and the Centenary Final to be played in Semple Stadium. It was an ordinary enough Tipp team compared to the one that followed but they played above themselves roared on by a passionate home crowd. The atmosphere that day was spell-binding, walls of noise whenever either team scored. The dramatic finish turned what was already a great occasion into one of the all-time great games imo. I was young enough at the time but can remember the Tipp support been totally deflated at the end, many too numb to leave their seats in the stand until the Cork crowd had left first.

When you consider the disappointment of that day, and another close game in 1985 you could understand their outpouring of joy/relief in Killarney in 1987 but they had to wait another couple of years to bring Liam back to Tipp.

Great games, great memories of Cork and Tipp between 1984 and 1992. The 1984 Munster Final would be my personal favourite hurling game but even in defeat you could still marvel at the games you lost - 1987 replay and the 1991 replay. The Cork and Tipp rivalry is a friendly one with a lot of mutual respect for the other county.
Great days!
The back door has taken a little of the edge off the Munster Championship, but Munster finals like 1984 and 1987 are occasions that define your life.

Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Cyril Farrell fan on August 19, 2012, 05:19:36 PM
Lots of passion from the home of hurling today. Not much hurling when it mattered though!  :o
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
4 all Irelands in 30 years. The cats have won over 3 times that.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on September 21, 2018, 09:58:43 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/liam-sheedy-set-for-stunning-tipp-return-as-premier-county-turn-to-allirelandwinning-manager-37339285.html
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: johnnycool on September 21, 2018, 10:30:53 AM
Liam Cahill mustn't be trusted by the head honchos when they seem to have went after Sheehy.

Has Cahill blotted the copybook somewhere?
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Antrim Coaster on September 21, 2018, 10:01:31 PM
Liam Sheedy was calling the shots on the line for Antrim this year.

Perhaps he got his mojo back after he had left the Tipp hotseat previously
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: AZOffaly on September 23, 2018, 12:40:25 PM
Liam Cahill mustn't be trusted by the head honchos when they seem to have went after Sheehy.

Has Cahill blotted the copybook somewhere?

He may be on the back room team. I think he may want it when paudie Brendan and seamie retire....
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 02, 2018, 12:48:12 PM
Liam Cahill mustn't be trusted by the head honchos when they seem to have went after Sheehy.

Has Cahill blotted the copybook somewhere?

He may be on the back room team. I think he may want it when paudie Brendan and seamie retire....

He wanted it this time round too
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on December 14, 2018, 01:51:46 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/liam-sheedy-excited-by-the-challenge-of-guiding-tipp-back-to-the-top-1.3730667

Liam Sheedy excited by the challenge of guiding Tipp back to the top

Former manager back at the Premier helm and looking forward to the task ahead

Liam Sheedy’s second term in charge of Tipperary gets under way against the All-Ireland champions on Friday evening at the Gaelic Grounds (7.30pm) and the Portroe man can’t wait to get started.

He said the GAA landscape had changed enormously since he stepped down in 2010 shortly after guiding the Premier County to All-Ireland success.

But now he’s back in the hot seat and, while he is mixing the post with his job as provincial director of Bank of Ireland in Munster, Sheedy said he’s up to the task.

“It’s really enjoyable. I love being in around the dressing room. I love being in around good players. I love being in a set-up that is starting to come together as we go on a journey. Who knows where it will take us? Wherever it takes us, it won’t be for want of trying.

“In the last two years I have been back working in Munster versus working in Dublin. You just can’t manage the Tipperary team if you’re operating around the M50 or up in the inner sanctum. The journey time up and down is really tough.

“It is going to require me very disciplined in terms of managing my time. Obviously being provincial director with Bank of Ireland, trying to manage an inter-county team is not easy. It might feel professional but there is a day job to be done as well. There are 168 hours in the week – I’ve got to be very selfish with my time and manage it well.

“I would see it as being an exciting project. Obviously the competitive terrain that you find yourself in is as strong as it has ever been and as competitive as it has ever been. You see the way the three teams from Munster represented themselves in the All-Ireland semi-final stages.

Limerick got their hands on it but the other two were probably saying we were so close. That is the arena you find yourself in.
The bottom line is Tipperary right now are outside the top six. If I look at my short-term goal it is how can we catapult ourselves into the top six and look to get into the quarter-final stage.”

The change to the Munster championship is one of the major differences from his previous stint as manager but off the field things have altered dramatically as well.

New level

“I even see from my time versus now, the game has moved on, the whole size of your backroom team. It’s going to a new level all the time. I don’t know where it will stop but we’ll try and catch up with it over the next few months.

“It’s very, very full-on. these players are willing to do whatever it takes to be successful. You see the hurling championship now, it’s probably at its most competitive as it’s ever been at. Which is great for the game.

“I think the game of hurling has moved to a whole new platform and level versus other sports. Not just in Ireland. I really do feel it has taken off. I know it’s challenging asking players to play four games in 21 days but I think some of the tweaks they’ve made for 2019 will make that better.

“You’ve got to manage energy, you gotta manage time and you really gotta manage quality. With all the boxes you’re trying to tick in terms of the physical side, skill side, and the whole belief systems, there is a lot to get through. Managing that is a big deal.”

Delivering another All-Ireland for Tipperary is the primary task, of course, but doesn’t feel he’s under any extra pressure having come back into the job after securing a previous title.

“Anyone that is involved in a team is anxious to get to the summit – that’s just a given. I don’t feel any pressure. Not an ounce of it. I’m free as a bird. I’m going in, working with a new team. It’s 10 years on, a new group of players. I’m going go give it 100 per cent to get the team to play to its potential. Wherever that takes us, it takes us. But I’m excited about it. It’s an absolute honour and a privilege to manage your own county.”

He gets his first taste of it again on Friday evening in the Gaelic Grounds in what he hopes will be the first step towards relieving Limerick of the All-Ireland crown.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on December 15, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipp-land-a-very-early-blow-on-all-ireland-champions-limerick-1.3731999
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: RedHand88 on December 15, 2018, 05:09:09 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipp-land-a-very-early-blow-on-all-ireland-champions-limerick-1.3731999

In the name of the baby jaysus why are they playing this week. Is nothing sacred anymore?
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: AZOffaly on December 15, 2018, 07:37:53 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipp-land-a-very-early-blow-on-all-ireland-champions-limerick-1.3731999

In the name of the baby jaysus why are they playing this week. Is nothing sacred anymore?

Limerick asked to bring it forward because they are going on their holiday after Xmas.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on January 15, 2019, 03:13:17 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/liam-sheedy-tipperary-are-little-bit-behind-physically-1.3742325

Returning Tipperary hurling manager Liam Sheedy believes his squad have fallen behind in the physical stakes, but he thinks they need an all-round improvement in their standards to be competitive in 2019.

Back at the helm for the first time since 2010, Sheedy will hope to bring Tipp back into the All-Ireland final for the first time since they defeated Kilkenny in the 2016 decider, but after watching on as a supporter in 2018 he thinks there is definite room for improvement.

“We feel physically we are little bit behind some of the other teams in terms of our conditioning so we’ve a few tough weeks and months ahead of us,” said Sheedy.

“One thing I would say, and I know it’s early days, but these boys certainly seem up for work and they can look forward to the new year and the National League. Before you know it you’ll be in the beginning of May and it’ll be charged championship time, so we have plenty of work to do in the mean time.

“It’s about building in every position. I’d be happy that in Tipperary we are a proud hurling county and we are looking to really prepare to the best of our ability. Whatever that takes us it will take us but I do think I am happy with the panel that has been assembled.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:27:51 AM
Tipp and KK are both hungry this year so it should be a cracking championship
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: johnnycool on January 30, 2019, 12:27:26 PM
Tipp and KK are both hungry this year so it should be a cracking championship

Early days for both, but Kilkenny have injected some serious pace in their forwards, Cork backs were awful though.

A dryer sod may still cause Tipp problems and Clare messed up by allowing Paudie Maher to be the free man and really needed to go toe to toe with Tipp. Giving Tipp that sort of platform to rain ball down in on Seamus Callanan and Jake Morris was never going to end well and when Kelly saw red Tipp were always going to drive on.

By the looks of the Limerick lads they've beefed up a bit and not in a good way, buy maybe someone ordered too small a set of jerseys for them on Sunday.

Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 30, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
Tipp and KK are both hungry this year so it should be a cracking championship

Early days for both, but Kilkenny have injected some serious pace in their forwards, Cork backs were awful though.

A dryer sod may still cause Tipp problems and Clare messed up by allowing Paudie Maher to be the free man and really needed to go toe to toe with Tipp. Giving Tipp that sort of platform to rain ball down in on Seamus Callanan and Jake Morris was never going to end well and when Kelly saw red Tipp were always going to drive on.

By the looks of the Limerick lads they've beefed up a bit and not in a good way, buy maybe someone ordered too small a set of jerseys for them on Sunday.
The AIF session must have gone on til Xmas.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2019, 02:06:50 PM
Tipp and KK are both hungry this year so it should be a cracking championship

Early days for both, but Kilkenny have injected some serious pace in their forwards, Cork backs were awful though.

A dryer sod may still cause Tipp problems and Clare messed up by allowing Paudie Maher to be the free man and really needed to go toe to toe with Tipp. Giving Tipp that sort of platform to rain ball down in on Seamus Callanan and Jake Morris was never going to end well and when Kelly saw red Tipp were always going to drive on.

By the looks of the Limerick lads they've beefed up a bit and not in a good way, buy maybe someone ordered too small a set of jerseys for them on Sunday.
The AIF session must have gone on til Xmas.

I thought they hurled rightly on Sunday and maybe they'll push on a bit, those sorts of games in the past Limerick lost, so the confidence of winning last year has stood by them, was impressed with Kilkenny and Galway are missing a few players from two teams still left in the club competitions
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on March 21, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
Bit of a surprise with the Dubs beating Tipp who are not as lethal as in seasons past
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-spring-surprise-against-tipperary-1.3829052
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: johnnycool on March 21, 2019, 12:53:45 PM
Bit of a surprise with the Dubs beating Tipp who are not as lethal as in seasons past
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-spring-surprise-against-tipperary-1.3829052

Hard to know as Sheedy is open about the fact that he felt Tipp weren't as well physically conditioned as some other teams and he's probably set about correcting that.
If they were put through a few tough training sessions in the week then it's no wonder they were flat.

it's all about May now.
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: seafoid on March 21, 2019, 01:36:44 PM
Bit of a surprise with the Dubs beating Tipp who are not as lethal as in seasons past
 
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dublin-spring-surprise-against-tipperary-1.3829052

Hard to know as Sheedy is open about the fact that he felt Tipp weren't as well physically conditioned as some other teams and he's probably set about correcting that.
If they were put through a few tough training sessions in the week then it's no wonder they were flat.

it's all about May now.
they made a huge improvement between April and the AIF in 2017 so maybe it's nothing
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 21, 2019, 07:30:24 PM
Still think they've too many mé féiners on that Tipp panel

Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 22, 2019, 08:24:55 AM
Still think they've too many mé féiners on that Tipp panel

Like who?
Title: Re: The home of hurling
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 25, 2019, 04:52:42 PM
Still think they've too many mé féiners on that Tipp panel

Like who?
A few of the backs have been 'lorry it up the field' merchants in recent years and Callinan is often not  great lad to bring other forwards into the game
Sheedy seems to have curtailed that