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Title: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 19, 2009, 06:02:24 PM
more dissident activity today in Armagh  :-\ 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8367718.stm
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Zapatista on November 19, 2009, 06:38:30 PM
A 'horizontal mortar type devise'?


\is that a bullet?
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: haranguerer on November 19, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
Mebbe its one that fell over.....

think it was probably made in chemistry class though to be honest.
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: ArmaghLedd on November 19, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
A 'horizontal mortar type devise' gawd were not playing Cod6 on the PS3 now :D
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Gnevin on November 19, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
An other plot by the Brits?  ::)
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: stew on November 19, 2009, 08:00:06 PM
why cant the fecking thing go off when the tr**p is putting it together, i would rather see these scumbags dead than some peeler lose his life because of them.
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 19, 2009, 10:01:49 PM
Fecking idiots, deserve a good kicking.  A lot of these seem to be reported lately, it wont be long until some innocent people are killed, I hope I'm wrong though.  >:( :(
Title: Re: Armagh Mortar defused
Post by: Zapatista on November 19, 2009, 10:27:45 PM
Fecking idiots, deserve a good kicking.  A lot of these seem to be reported lately, it wont be long until some innocent people are killed, I hope I'm wrong though.  >:( :(

True. These people should stop reporting these things before someone gets killed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 21, 2009, 11:35:00 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on November 21, 2009, 11:45:26 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Was it not people shooting at peelers first?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on November 22, 2009, 12:21:02 AM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Was it not people shooting at peelers first?
By sammy's own link it was.  Dissidents are still clueless w4nkers regardless
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 22, 2009, 11:31:08 AM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Was it not people shooting at peelers first?

yeah it was
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 22, 2009, 11:44:15 AM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh

Of course they did, they had to defend themselves.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 22, 2009, 01:26:23 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1121/fermanagh.html - coppers shooting at people in Fermanagh
That's some serious spin! Do you work in politics?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on November 22, 2009, 01:35:29 PM
In fairness to Sammy, I think it was tongue in cheek.

And in realising that, I think I've just caught onto the fact all his racing tips are also tongue in cheek... :P

Dont be getting insulted Sammy, I'm only picking  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aerlik on November 23, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
The fillum "Omagh" ( :'() was on here last night...then to wake up to news that there were two incidences at home...ffs. ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 23, 2009, 11:00:08 AM
another bomb scare in armagh this morning. 40 mins to get through the town. Ireland will be free in no time now. FFS what is the point. when are these knobs going to realise this sh.t is no longer needed or wanted. the new leader of RSF polled 135 votes the last election he stood in.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
Fcukin numptys have the town closed today AGAIN!!!
They carried out a controlled explosion on a "device" abiout 4.30 this morning but are still working at it? WTF???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Fcukin numptys have the town closed today AGAIN!!!
They carried out a controlled explosion on a "device" abiout 4.30 this morning but are still working at it? WTF???
Clearly trying to create as much inconvenience as possible.  good old RUC.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 11:19:26 AM
Just re-opened the road there now!!
Cop said whatever way they had planted the device it need careful examination...  ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
SAS are still lurkin about by the looks of it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on November 23, 2009, 11:29:06 AM
Is there enough of an organisation to put legs on a campaign or is it more likely to peter out with a few actions here and there with arrests and lack of support?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:32:40 AM
Just re-opened the road there now!!
Cop said whatever way they had planted the device it need careful examination...  ???
The planted a device on the Mall in armagh?
FFS what cops are they going to kill there?

I suspect more bullshit!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 11:33:15 AM
Just re-opened the road there now!!
Cop said whatever way they had planted the device it need careful examination...  ???

Yeah I mean what the f**k are they being so careful for it's not like it's not like they are defusing a bomb .... owe wait .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 11:41:19 AM


I suspect more bullshit!
To what end? If it was bs why don't the CIRA/RIRA come out and disown these bombs. They claimed the killings of the Copper and the Soldiers quickly enough.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 11:58:46 AM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?

What didn't exist? The bomb...for feck sake behave yourself. Of course its not acceptable to not inform the locals. But now that they are following on alerts, tip offs, hoaxs etc the day after a shoot out in Fermanagh (maybe that was just someones TV turned up too loud) and a bomb exploded in Belfast, you still find fault and put it down as bullshit. Priceless.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:02:57 PM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?

What didn't exist? The bomb...for feck sake behave yourself. Of course its not acceptable to not inform the locals. But now that they are following on alerts, tip offs, hoaxs etc the day after a shoot out in Fermanagh (maybe that was just someones TV turned up too loud) and a bomb exploded in Belfast, you still find fault and put it down as bullshit. Priceless.
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Of course it's not acceptable to inform the locals? So why are you having a dig at people complaining about it in your previous post?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: one for the road on November 23, 2009, 12:03:02 PM
Is there enough of an organisation to put legs on a campaign or is it more likely to peter out with a few actions here and there with arrests and lack of support?

The amounts of bombs, shootings and alerts seem to increasing at a worrying rate. Dont know if support is increasing but i would hate to see it going back to the old days
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:08:49 PM
Absolutely priceless....

Bombs, shooting's, alerts etc and the usual suspects post to have a go at the police for been careful and doing their job.  ???  ???

A few weeks ago the same posters where crying about the police not telling them their was a bomb. No middle ground as usual.

Most local people don't believe that existed.  If it did, do you think it's acceptable that they didn't tell anyone?  Do you think it's acceptable that someone on this board told us police knew about a bomb the area was sealed off and it was all over the news?
Do you think that's acceptable actions of a so called police force?

What didn't exist? The bomb...for feck sake behave yourself. Of course its not acceptable to not inform the locals. But now that they are following on alerts, tip offs, hoaxs etc the day after a shoot out in Fermanagh (maybe that was just someones TV turned up too loud) and a bomb exploded in Belfast, you still find fault and put it down as bullshit. Priceless.
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Of course it's not acceptable to inform the locals? So why are you having a dig at people complaining about it in your previous post?
So why not disown them?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:10:45 PM
Disown who?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2009, 12:12:06 PM
lads its all a load of shite, I think anyone with half a brain realises that this achieves nothing whether its actually going on or not. Are the arguments here about whether there is genuine dissident republican threat actually happening or the cops are making this up and causing hassle on a Monday morning?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:13:38 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:17:49 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:22:21 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:24:16 PM
Lads whether Pints is correct or not in his suspicions (and we cannot say with certainty one way or the other) you can't criticise him for holding those suspicions.

Whether or not the British security forces are behind any of this I don't know but they certainly have the capability and motives for it not to mention past form.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: thejuice on November 23, 2009, 12:26:38 PM
if one of them was shot yesterday they'd probably try spin it as a return of the "Shoot to Kill" policy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:27:23 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?

At least put the claim out there for all to decide upon or ask the IMC to look at it. At them moment we've a  tiny fringe element on here (I've seen this claim no where else) who still want to blame the Brits when Tesco are out of their favour type of jam.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Lads whether Pints is correct or not in his suspicions (and we cannot say with certainty one way or the other) you can't criticise him for holding those suspicions.


Of course you can. This is the same man who doesn't believe we landed on the moon.  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
Lads whether Pints is correct or not in his suspicions (and we cannot say with certainty one way or the other) you can't criticise him for holding those suspicions.


Of course you can. This is the same man who doesn't believe we landed on the moon.  ::)

Completely unrelated incidents, how is that relevant?

If you're trying to say he is parnoid or into conspriacies well it still doesn't change the fact that the British security forces have the capability and motives to be behind this, again I can't say if they are one way or the other.

Just because someones paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get them!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:32:43 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?

At least put the claim out there for all to decide upon or ask the IMC to look at it. At them moment we've a  tiny fringe element on here (I've seen this claim no where else) who still want to blame the Brits when Tesco are out of their favour type of jam.
You should trying talking to the people in south armagh, I don't think I know one who belives there was a bomb there. 
If they put it "out there" you still wouldnt believe it.  If the brits had a history of stealing jars of jam from tesco they might just be blamed for it if it happened again, yes. 

I suppose you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 12:38:04 PM
With you on this one pints. Alot of strange things going on recently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rafa on November 23, 2009, 12:40:10 PM
With you on this one pints. Alot of strange things going on recently.

Great, I'm sure he's thrilled with your backing.  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 12:40:46 PM
Disown who?

The Bombs why don't CIRA/RIRA issue a joint statement saying these are not there work and questioning who work it is. Or even demanding the IMC look into it
No idea, maybe they're happy to have the attention and publicity?  Probably gives the impression they're doing something and are a bigger organisation than they actually are.

It would clearly be a massive PR coup to have the Brits found out to be up to this. As normal you pick the facts that suit your agenda and create a complex story when the simpler one doesn't suit you.
And people like you, who think you know it all, would believe dissident republicans over the Brits I suppose?

At least put the claim out there for all to decide upon or ask the IMC to look at it. At them moment we've a  tiny fringe element on here (I've seen this claim no where else) who still want to blame the Brits when Tesco are out of their favour type of jam.


I suppose you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks?

Never claimed they weren't and might possibly still be but unlike you I'm no going to make claims based on  hearsay and conjecture.  In fact a claim by the RIRA or CIRA or dirty tricks would be enough for me to look beyond the surface but since they haven't I've no reason to believe this isn't the same bunch  who like shooting pizza men .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
Do you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks g?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 12:46:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 01:33:01 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)
I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on November 23, 2009, 01:54:13 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

 I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 01:58:26 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

 I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.

CORRECTO!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 23, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

 I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.
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A couple of years ago the tactics were altogether different - if there was a bomb threat or something going on, they would hardly even report on it and if they did, they played it down so in their quest to promote a "normal, peaceful" society.


They're fit for anything.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 02:25:15 PM
Do you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks g?

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I suppose you think the brits would never be involved in dirty tricks?
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Never claimed they weren't and might possibly still be 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on November 23, 2009, 02:50:15 PM
Gnevin, I understand your scepticism, but if you'd been living here during the troubles, you'd have a much greater understanding where some of these posters are coming from. That the cops/brits lie is indisputable, any time they made a statement during the troubles it was pure bull, so its understandable that people dont believe anything they say now.

As for the activity, I think its highly unlikely that the Brits themselves are at it.
However, I reckon some events are blown out of proportion as part of a hearts and minds offensive agaisnt the dissidents - in general 'viable explosive device' for me translates as firework: if there was something that could cause damge, you can be sure they'd be exaggerating it as much as possible. As for 'horizontal mortar type device'??!

 I remember checkpoints used to have a sign along the lines of 'Sorry for the (often hours!) delay, but blame the terrorists, not the security forces': i'd reckon that if they find anything these days the cops deliberately take ages to clear it, knowing that everyones cursing those eejits that planted it as they sit there waiting.
[/b]


A couple of years ago the tactics were altogether different - if there was a bomb threat or something going on, they would hardly even report on it and if they did, they played it down so in their quest to promote a "normal, peaceful" society.


They're fit for anything.

Not just a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on November 23, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

The mall is also the name for the roads on either side of the field though pints, I'd assume it was along one of these that the 'device' was (or was not) found.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 03:09:20 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

God your right its out in the ass hole of now where. It's highly unlikely someone was walking from the station bar or too Charlemont Arms. I mean they at least a 3 minute walk!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 03:17:09 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

The mall is also the name for the roads on either side of the field though pints, I'd assume it was along one of these that the 'device' was (or was not) found.
ah right, maybe so.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on November 23, 2009, 03:27:27 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

God your right its out in the ass hole of now where. It's highly unlikely someone was walking from the station bar or too Charlemont Arms. I mean they at least a 3 minute walk!

Google maps is a great job.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2009, 04:05:53 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.

The mall is also the name for the roads on either side of the field though pints, I'd assume it was along one of these that the 'device' was (or was not) found.

they were sitting around outside the education buildings on the east side of the mall having a smoke break at 10am. Much ado about nothing
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:23:51 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
I know facts aren't your forte but The Mall has the court house at one end (previously bombed) as well as Orange Hall and a TA barracks along one side of the mall so it's more than just a field. There's 3 potential targets without even counting a police patrol car or foot patrol.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:31:13 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
I know facts aren't your forte but The Mall has the court house at one end (previously bombed) as well as Orange Hall and a TA barracks along one side of the mall so it's more than just a field. There's 3 potential targets without even counting a police patrol car or foot patrol.
Which of them was the hoax device at?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
No I suppose the police would never lie  ::)   It makes perfect sense for republicans to plant a massive bomb in the republican area. 
Just like it made perfect sense for republicans to plant a bomb in the middle of Omagh. Logic and sense doesn't come into it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm)
So it was nothing  ::)  ::)

I'd rather a bit of inconvenience on the way to work than dead bodies. Maybe you think it's worth the risk to ignore potential hoaxes?

I think if it really takes our security forces 9 or 10 hours to sort out a suspicious object on the Mall in armagh we should be questioning their competency.
I'd also question what this object was and who exactly discovered it at half 3 in the morning! (for those of you who dont know the Mall in armagh is a field!).   
I smell bullshit.
I know facts aren't your forte but The Mall has the court house at one end (previously bombed) as well as Orange Hall and a TA barracks along one side of the mall so it's more than just a field. There's 3 potential targets without even counting a police patrol car or foot patrol.
Which of them was the hoax device at?
From BBC: The area around Mall East, Mall West, College Hill and the courthouse were cordoned off but has now been reopened.
Anyway, it's good that we've established that the Mall is not just a field.

Although i'm interested to know just how long it should take to sort out a suspicious object in a built-up area?
I'm far from an expert, but on top of the time taken to actually deal with the device, i'm sure there's some time taken to clear the area, i'd imagine the police would have to consider whether they were potentially walking into a trap, whether there might be other devices etc etc.. yes you're right - they should have sorted it in 20 minutes.

Now unless the police are involved in planting devices, or they are fabricating these incidents - and if they were, you'd have to imagine that the dissidents could confirm their non-involvement - then it's ridiculous to pin blame anywhere other than at the perpetrators.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 04:54:49 PM
IF it was at any of those places it would have been said on the news.

I don't think they should have had it sorted in 20 mins but it shouldnt take the time it did particularly when it was nothing!

An "elaborate hoax" is all the information we got, that could mean anything.  Maybe you boys are willing to put all your trust in the police, I'm not.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 05:09:20 PM
IF it was at any of those places it would have been said on the news.

I don't think they should have had it sorted in 20 mins but it shouldnt take the time it did particularly when it was nothing!

An "elaborate hoax" is all the information we got, that could mean anything.  Maybe you boys are willing to put all your trust in the police, I'm not.
I don't really see much relevance as to where the 'object' was on the Mall. It doesn't make any difference to me whether it was at the court house, near a police patrol, a shop...

But how long should it have taken? 3 hours? 6 hours?

And if we're going on what was reported, there was a 'suspicious object', so there wasn't "nothing" - it wasn't a bomb, but those going in to deal with it don't know until that after the event - i'd rather they were a bit prudent and assumed they were dealing with something viable and took any necessary precautions to protect the public, rather than assume it's a hoax and act recklessly. That's when I would question their competence.

It's not about "putting all your trust in the police" either, but equally it's not about looking for a reason to blame them at any given opportunity. On the day a bomb explodes and kills, no doubt you'll be one of the first in line jumping up and down about what the police didn't do to stop it, yet you're getting annoyed when it takes them 9/10 hours to confirm that something isn't dangerous.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 05:18:28 PM
It is about putting your trust in them, some of you boys think they can do no wrong.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 05:34:20 PM
I was speaking to someone very close to the "trouble" at the minute and this person is unquestionable in my view when it comes to the veracity of the story.  There is a lunatic republican fringe at th minute who are being led by a few crazies.  They do not have the capability to do too much as they are not well organised nor have much access to equipment but they are determined to get their hands on more and get a few waiverers over from the mainstream section.  Two of the leaders are gone now and will not see the light of day for a good few years and there are 2 maybe 3 more.  Things are being allowed to happen to try to get the public opinion turned on them and apart from the victims of the shootings they are trying to keep casualties to a minimum. 

Unfortunately in this "game" people die and there may be more.  There will be more hoaxes, defused "bombs"(who knows apart from the people who set them what was actually in the bombs).  As veryone knows history has shown that fringe republicans are rife with touts and it would be easy to direct a few things if the right person was a tout.  People may not believe this happens but when you have seen things with your own eyes you realise anything is possible.  Once 3-4 people in the fringe are out of commission then everything will end as the security forces do not see the same types anywhere else on the horizon.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bingobus on November 23, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
It is about putting your trust in them, some of you boys think they can do no wrong.

Thats not the case, just ask for a bit of reason and logic from some. Next time there's a "hoax" I assume you'll volunter to walk and kick said "hoax" in the air to see how elaborate it is.

These incidents happened 2 days after 4 men where prepared to cross into Sligo Town to kill an off duty officer. They are obviously brave men and nothing should be ruled out with them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 05:37:43 PM
It is about putting your trust in them, some of you boys think they can do no wrong.
Not at all. Do "you boys" think they can do no right?
I fully acknowledge that elements of the police are more than capable of wrongdoing. And i'll have no problem in saying so. But for me, keeping the Mall closed for 9/10 hours isn't quite up there with these recent dissident activities.

But you have no real basis for criticising the amount of time they took to reopen the Mall in Armagh. It just looks like an excuse to have a go. I have no particular desire to 'big up' the police, i'm just challenging posts like yours to try and understand your need to point the finger anywhere other than at those who are causing these incidents in the first place.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 05:42:11 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 06:05:06 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 06:11:24 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
I though we ascertained that that The Mall wasn't just a field.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:12:38 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
I though we ascertained that that The Mall wasn't just a field.
:D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:15:47 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
There wasnt a bomb
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 06:20:29 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
There wasnt a bomb
Does someone just dander up and have a poke at it to decide? I don't know if you're a WUM  or just thick.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .
There wasnt a bomb
Well for a suspicious device to be confirmed as a hoax and the area declared safe then.

You and stew clearly think that 10 hours is too long and we've established that 20 minutes would be cutting it a bit fine. But we still don't know what would constitute a reasonable amount of time(?)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:23:34 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 06:25:40 PM
A couple of hours ought to be enough wouldnt you think?

Ten is rippin the arse clean out of it, call me a cynic but the bioys must love the aul overtime, time and a half is it? :-\
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:35:00 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.
Yes, all situations are directly comparable. 
If it took 90 minutes for one incident, it stands to reason that any bomb (or hoax) should be dealt with in a similar amount of time.  ::)

How do you know that it took 10 hours to realise that it was a hoax? Was there not possibly some time taken to clear the area, to make sure it was safe and not a trap, to sweep the area for other potential devices?
As another poster has said, they don't just dander up and kick a box.

Also, i'm not sure where the 10 hours has come from. The BBC article says the object was found at about 3.30 in the morning. The news story was last updated at 11.49 this morning, reporting that the Mall had reopened. That would make it just over 8 hours, if the BBC reported the reopening straight away - i'm sure there's a slight time delay.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8373629.stm
Does that make it any more acceptable? Or should they have opened up the roads earlier and let people take a chance?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 06:37:48 PM
A couple of hours ought to be enough wouldnt you think?
I wouldn't know, not being an expert in bomb disposal and not knowing all the details (we're all basing this on a very short news article). And neither would you or most of the people on here i'd assume. That's the point.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 06:48:27 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 23, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
When a bomb finally goes off and kills or maims civilians and or security forces it will obviously be another securocrat conspiracy? You're obviously not wired up to grasp logic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
When a bomb finally goes off and kills or maims civilians and or security forces it will obviously be another securocrat conspiracy? You're obviously not wired up to grasp logic.
You're starting to sound like Gnevin.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 07:47:48 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
When a bomb finally goes off and kills or maims civilians and or security forces it will obviously be another securocrat conspiracy? You're obviously not wired up to grasp logic.
You're starting to sound like Gnevin.
You mean not grasping at straws in a useless attempt to justify my crazy believes ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
No, I mean reducing himself to silly and cheap insults and dramatic nonsense. 

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 07:50:21 PM
What does it matter, sure it was police planted it there.
There was nothing planted.  It was a hoax and it took them about 10 hours to determine it was a hoax.


Typical psni efficiency, they must be one of the most inept policing bodies on the planet.

Really . So what's the average turn around for a bomb to be defused and the area be declared safe since your an expert in this field .


Eh, considerably less than ten hours, that is  ridiculous amount of time.

There was a bomb threat at East High school in Green Bay when both of my kids were there, actually they have been in lockdown four times in the last five years, anyway from the call was made until they found out the suspect device was a hoax took just over ninety minutes and this was in a school where they didnt know were the device was or if there was one. The school has thousands of students and is massive in size.

The psni were dealing with a device that was winking at them yet it took them ten hours, ten feckin to realise that it was a hoax, now tell me they arent inept.

Clearly there are bomb threats which consist of a back pack and a alarm clock and there are bomb threats which are all but bombs with out the blasting cap for example
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
No, I mean reducing himself to silly and cheap insults and dramatic nonsense.

Yeah logic is such a dramatic bitch.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
There's no correlation between logic and cheap, petty insults. 

If you want to discuss something let me know, if you want to throw about dramatic cheap one liners and insults leave me out of it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:04:13 PM
There's no correlation between logic and cheap, petty insults. 

If you want to discuss something like, let me know, if you want to throw about dramatic cheap one liners and insults leave me out of it.

Your idea of "evidence" is hearsay and conjecture and that is your good evidence most of it POG's gut thinks.  Sorry but there is no discussion with someone who refuses to back up there opinion with even a shred of proof. Like the moon landing discussion you present no evidence ,ignore independent evidence and have no grasp of ockham's razor
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:05:19 PM
 :D
You have to get over the moon thing, are you some relation of Neil Armstrong's or something?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:07:39 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
:D
You have to get over the moon thing, are you some relation of Neil Armstrong's or something?

One of the greatest achievement of man kind and people like you think you know better based on the nonsensical ravings of mad men. This is what is wrong with the world people who will believe what ever some gobshite on the internet or fancy cloths in a church tells them to think .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:10:57 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 
Yes, each case must stand on its own facts.
And we've established that it was probably 8 hours, rather than 10, if that makes any significant difference.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:18:05 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:22:35 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:27:21 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 23, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.

It was ten hours not eight, I too have seen them in action defusing bombs and/or coming to the conclusion it was a hoax, it never came close to ten hours.
I will never trust the police in the north no matter their make up, they have assisted loyalist terrorists in murders and have actually killed the very people they were supposed to protect themselves, they held us at checkpoints many times because they were crooked b**tards that loved to mess with Catholics, I dont trust them and I think that since they are not making the money they used to make they are coming up with new and interesting ways to make a few extra bob.

8 hours is too long, tens hours is  far  too long, 2 hours should be more than enough time to figure out a feckin hoax.

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:30:48 PM

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.

That's a shocking partitionist post, no true Gael would ever say that!


 ;)
How about that for Nordie speak :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 23, 2009, 08:31:19 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

I think that it is more than an informant, more someone directing things a certain way.  There are 3-4 people who are needed off the streets completely and there is a need to finally destroy the notions of armed force resistance.  The only to do that is to get the big guns out as there are no more crazies seen out there at the minute.  If the security forces can get these individuals "decommissioned" this will pave the way for devolution of policing etc and a finalisation of the current stage of the peace process.  There is not the political will at the minute within SF to push for a united Ireland and DUP know that but they are afraid of the dissidents.  Once these armed dissidents are gone then there will be a lot of political movement.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 08:34:25 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.

As i said earlier Gnevin, the history of splinter groups and in particular, and Republicans as a whole, shows a fair level of touting/infiltration.  I would suggest that there is some level of that at a senior level within the group and they are directing things down certain pathways or keeping the police informed of what is happening.  Given the nature of the individulas who are involved in what is happening they are not "true" republicans in the old fashioned sense and would sell their grannies to keep the dope coming their way.  They are a threat, but at this stage a relatively insignificant one.  They will be broken up from the inside out and that is the way to succeed against them.
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

I think that it is more than an informant, more someone directing things a certain way.  There are 3-4 people who are needed off the streets completely and there is a need to finally destroy the notions of armed force resistance.  The only to do that is to get the big guns out as there are no more crazies seen out there at the minute.  If the security forces can get these individuals "decommissioned" this will pave the way for devolution of policing etc and a finalisation of the current stage of the peace process.  There is not the political will at the minute within SF to push for a united Ireland and DUP know that but they are afraid of the dissidents.  Once these armed dissidents are gone then there will be a lot of political movement.
100% agree with that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 08:45:49 PM
You're wasting your time stew, sure the police can do no wrong in some of these boy's eyes.   ::)
Yes, you're definitely wasting your time if your only arguments are:
1 - police = bad
2 - "these boys think the police can do no wrong"

That's a lot easier than actually discussing the issues at hand - i.e.

What have the police done wrong in this instance?

Given the limited info we have in the news report (and any expert knowledge you may have), what would be an acceptable amount of time to deal with an incident like this, if not 8 hours?
I never said police = bad.  I am suspicious about their actions and their intent and their willingness to hold up an area for so long.
Considering their past, why is that so hard to believe?

When I think of all those checkpoints I've had to sit at down through the years and the endless questions and bullshit, and it was all for my own safety! Silly me.  ::)
You're more than suspicious though. You're basically saying they didn't need to take 8 hours in Armagh, with no real knowledge of the detailed facts or basis for that argument, other than your past experience of checkpoints - many years ago at this stage.

I spent quite a bit of time waiting at checkpoints over the years as well, but I don't see any reason to point the finger at the police for taking a certain amount of time to reopen an area after an alert, especially without knowing more than the most vague details.

It was ten hours not eight, I too have seen them in action defusing bombs and/or coming to the conclusion it was a hoax, it never came close to ten hours.
I will never trust the police in the north no matter their make up, they have assisted loyalist terrorists in murders and have actually killed the very people they were supposed to protect themselves, they held us at checkpoints many times because they were crooked b**tards that loved to mess with Catholics, I dont trust them and I think that since they are not making the money they used to make they are coming up with new and interesting ways to make a few extra bob.

8 hours is too long, tens hours is  far  too long, 2 hours should be more than enough time to figure out a feckin hoax.

As for Gnevin, he knows feck all about the north and what goes on, he has demonstrated that time and time again in his posts over the past year.
Re the first bit in bold, what were the start and finish times of the operation that made you conclude that it was 10 hours?

Re the second bit - you clearly can't be objective then.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:54:39 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 08:59:38 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?
So you wouldnt believe them, you wouldnt be alone.  So what point would there be? You're placing a lot of faith in the IMC.
You haven't a clue do you  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: saffron sam2 on November 23, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

Something like that would never happen. Ever been to Donegal? The names Noel McMahon and Kevin Lennon ring any bells?

I could have some fun explaining there / their and they're to you, but I can't be bothered.

Have you been drinking?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:07:50 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
I never said you did.

I'm not quite sure how you can say that SF has changed, but the police, with the Patten reforms substantially implemented, haven't. And again, no one is saying that it's fait accompli at this stage, but the fact that you don't acknowledge any change or substantial change makes it a bit difficult to take your other arguments serious.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:10:54 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
I never said you did.

I'm not quite sure how you can say that SF has changed, but the police, with the Patten reforms substantially implemented, haven't. And again, no one is saying that it's fait accompli at this stage, but the fact that you don't acknowledge any change or substantial change makes it a bit difficult to take your other arguments serious.
I know, gnevin did, I meant to address that to him.

The stuff I hear from home suggest the police haven't changed, I suppose there's not as much harassment as there was, great. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
It's not about being gullible.
We can base our opinions today on what the police/army did in the past. But why stop at the police and army - using the same logic, should we not also assume that Sinn Fein are no different than they were 20 years ago?
Sinn Fein have demonstrated they've changed, not that I have any love for them.  The police and army have not. 


And at no stage did I say the police were planting bombs.
I never said you did.

I'm not quite sure how you can say that SF has changed, but the police, with the Patten reforms substantially implemented, haven't. And again, no one is saying that it's fait accompli at this stage, but the fact that you don't acknowledge any change or substantial change makes it a bit difficult to take your other arguments serious.
I know, gnevin did, I meant to address that to him.

The stuff I hear from home suggest the police haven't changed, I suppose there's not as much harassment as there was, great.
So you're basing everything on "stuff you hear from home"? And like anything, you only really hear the bad stuff. I've already acknowledged that it's not the end of the process, but you seem to be selecting only the news you want to hear.

Do you not see any value in the Pattern recommendations?
Do you not acknowledge that they are substantially implemented?
How can you say that SF has changed, but the police has not, given that SF has now accepted and supports the police?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:21:38 PM
Maguire I dont care who sinn fein support. 

All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it.  Police with zero interest but if Willie Frazer turns up to shout abuse at someone's house they're out in force to give him a police escort. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:39:53 PM
All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it. 
Could be said about any police force anywhere in Ireland or the UK surely.

Not sure how that relates to how they handle a potential bomb situation.

Out of interest, are the people at home now happy to go to the police, make statements, stand up and give evidence against these criminals?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:44:13 PM
All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it. 
Could be said about any police force anywhere in Ireland or the UK surely.

Not sure how that relates to how they handle a potential bomb situation.

Out of interest, are the people at home now happy to go to the police, make statements, stand up and give evidence against these criminals?
Not in my experience of living here. 
Don't know about people being happy to make statements but I know several have, nothing done though.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:49:31 PM
All I hear from home is about break ins, old people terrorised, little c***ts running riot, racing around the Square in Cross (50 yards from a police station) and NOTHING being done about any of it. 
Could be said about any police force anywhere in Ireland or the UK surely.

Not sure how that relates to how they handle a potential bomb situation.

Out of interest, are the people at home now happy to go to the police, make statements, stand up and give evidence against these criminals?
Not in my experience of living here. 
Don't know about people being happy to make statements but I know several have, nothing done though.
What about the middle line?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:50:09 PM
what do you mean?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 09:55:45 PM
what do you mean?
How does all that relate to the police not handling this Armagh incident correctly?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 09:56:46 PM
what do you mean?
How does all that relate to the police not handling this Armagh incident correctly?
because its just more evidence that they've never changed and reasons not to trust them
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:01:24 PM
Just to clarify a few points:

Device discovered at 3.30am
Controlled explosion carried out approx 4.30am
Mall and surrounding areas reopened about 11.30am

Now WTF the fcuk were they doing in between, obviously after
the controlled explosion they knew it was an elaborate hoax?

Main points above came from a Cop who was on duty there and grinning about how his shift ended at
7am but he was now on overtime!!!

FACT
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Look! They shot James Connolly and Padraig Pearse! What other excuse do we need? I heard that the PSNI are also kidnapping babies and selling them for £2 a go to unscrupulous Chinese takeaway owners in Belfast to make chicken curry. Also, do you see that X Factor? It was the PSNI that got Jedward put out (Special Branch at that!) and guess why? Because the police said to Simon Cowell that the two lads were Fenian b**tards! Also, see that flooding in Cumbria? You've guessed it - SPECIAL BRANCH! See that bomb on Saturday night - the one at the Policing Board - that was a peeler who was going to bomb the Felons Club but had a faulty sat-nav and ended up there. I could go on: oh! I forgot, see the Titanic? That was the Special Branch as well. A friend of mine - well, a friend of a friend - told me that the PSNI built that iceberg and sent it into the boat because - listen to this - because they said that Leanardo Di Caprio was working for them and passing on stuff to Kate Winslet whilst in bed and Freddie Scappaticci was watching and listening while "pulling the head of it" in the wardrobe. Watch scene 5 and you will see Scap's head in the background. ........................
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:06:57 PM
Just to clarify a few points:

Device discovered at 3.30am
Controlled explosion carried out approx 4.30am
Mall and surrounding areas reopened about 11.30am

Now WTF the fcuk were they doing in between, obviously after
the controlled explosion they knew it was an elaborate hoax?

Main points above came from a Cop who was on duty there and grinning about how his shift ended at
7am but he was now on overtime!!!

FACT
Surely if the above points came from a cop you'd know what they were doing after 4.30?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:07:24 PM
Just to clarify a few points:

Device discovered at 3.30am
Controlled explosion carried out approx 4.30am
Mall and surrounding areas reopened about 11.30am

Now WTF the fcuk were they doing in between, obviously after
the controlled explosion they knew it was an elaborate hoax?

Main points above came from a Cop who was on duty there and grinning about how his shift ended at
7am but he was now on overtime!!!

FACT
FACTis northern slang for unsubstantiated opinions?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:08:31 PM
There is good reason to question the length of time that this "hoax" took to be sorted out.  Gnevin, with respect, I have experienced disarming of bombs near my house and it didn't take them 10 hours to disarm a bomb never mind a hoax.  Each individual case must stand on its own facts but given experience questions need to be asked. 

There are movements behind the scenes that will never make it to the news headlines but all events are instrinsically linked.  The hoax bomb in a van a few weeks back, the "bomb" in Forkhill, this here today, the check points where Willie Frazer was able to walk around with impunity and film, there are too many coincidences.  As I said earlier, there is a lunatic element but there is assistance or at the very least a watchful eye within the ranks keeping things on a certain course.
So why don't the RIRA call BS on the Brits. Imagen the PR . The Brits caught trying to keep the war going etc.
because people like you would say they're lying.  How many times that the PIRA said they weren't involved in things, the Northern bank robbery for instance, do you believe the PIRA weren't involved? and there's been dozens of other incidents.  What sort of cuckoo land do you live in?


Maguire, maybe I'm not just a gullible as some.
Who cares what I believe . It would be up to the IMC to investigate or are they a tool of empire too?
So you wouldnt believe them, you wouldnt be alone.  So what point would there be? You're placing a lot of faith in the IMC.
You haven't a clue do you  ::)
Well I haven't got a clue who you would trust. Not the PSNI, not the IMC , not NASA. Who do you trust?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:09:30 PM
 ::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: milltown row on November 23, 2009, 10:10:37 PM


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Surely if the above points came from a cop you'd know what they were doing after 4.30?
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eating Doughnuts ??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:10:51 PM
An informant is an entirely different prospect to POG's the police are planting the bombs them self nonsense and if their is an informant they are doing there job correctly as this and other bombs have be discovered .

Something like that would never happen. Ever been to Donegal? The names Noel McMahon and Kevin Lennon ring any bells?

I could have some fun explaining there / their and they're to you, but I can't be bothered.

Have you been drinking?

Where did I say never? All I say is, with evidence that is to hand at the moment the simplest and most likely answer is the RIRA planted this .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:11:40 PM
Look! They shot James Connolly and Padraig Pearse! What other excuse do we need? I heard that the PSNI are also kidnapping babies and selling them for £2 a go to unscrupulous Chinese takeaway owners in Belfast to make chicken curry. Also, do you see that X Factor? It was the PSNI that got Jedward put out (Special Branch at that!) and guess why? Because the police said to Simon Cowell that the two lads were Fenian b**tards! Also, see that flooding in Cumbria? You've guessed it - SPECIAL BRANCH! See that bomb on Saturday night - the one at the Policing Board - that was a peeler who was going to bomb the Felons Club but had a faulty sat-nav and ended up there. I could go on: oh! I forgot, see the Titanic? That was the Special Branch as well. A friend of mine - well, a friend of a friend - told me that the PSNI built that iceberg and sent it into the boat because - listen to this - because they said that Leanardo Di Caprio was working for them and passing on stuff to Kate Winslet whilst in bed and Freddie Scappaticci was watching and listening while "pulling the head of it" in the wardrobe. Watch scene 5 and you will see Scap's head in the background. ........................

And the f**kers shot Kennedy! - both of them!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.

Big difference between what Candyman says a police man says and what a police man says on the news. Even you must admit that!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:14:27 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.

Big difference between what Candyman says a police man says and what a police man says on the news. Even you must admit that!
So candyman is lying?
You're not willing to believe anyone that doesnt say what you want to believe
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 23, 2009, 10:15:15 PM
The Cop even said he hadn't a clue what they were at ( they being the bomb squad)

I don't wish to get into your petty squabble GNEVIN and co but that is exactly what he told me!!

GNevin FFS catch a grip man, why would I even want to make that up?
U just love the aul row don't ye....
On a final note, what in the fcuk would you know about Police, terrorism etc in the north to have such a strong opinion and have the cheek to say I'm lying?  ::)That's an honest question now?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:15:58 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that. Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.

Big difference between what Candyman says a police man says and what a police man says on the news. Even you must admit that!
So candyman is lying?
You're not willing to believe anyone that doesnt say what you want to believe
On the internet no one knows your a dog. I don't believe anything posted in discussions like this that doesn't have a link to back it up.

Sure a copper told me they where working very hard and Candyman is full of shit.   Prove me wrong!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
The Cop even said he hadn't a clue what they were at ( they being the bomb squad)

I don't wish to get into your petty squabble GNEVIN and co but that is exactly what he told me!!
Well lets look at that. I assume the cop was manning the cordon. Firstly, he might not know what the bomb squad are at. Secondly, if he did, is he likely to disclose it to a random member of the public?
What does any of that prove?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that.
Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?

and only then? ha!
And now gnevin is talking about links ffs  :D

I'm done here, hope you two boys are happy in the world yous are living in.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 23, 2009, 10:22:26 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that.
Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?

and only then? ha!
And now gnevin is talking about links ffs  :D

I'm done here, hope you two boys are happy in the world yous are living in.

In any discussion we've ever had here and in fact any discussion I've had here I've been able to produce a link to back up my claim  when challenge or I've withdrawn it.


POG surely you don't believe every random fact posted on the internet? How is my claim any more unsound than Candyman? Prove I'm talking crap and he isn't
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 23, 2009, 10:23:52 PM
::)

If a policeman came on the news and stated what you say candyman these boys would still take their side.  Talk about about refusing to accept reality.
What do you mean?
There is no way of verifying anything that candyman has said. Surely if he's that well informed, he knows what was going on between 4.30 and 11.30?

I'd be interested to know what happened over the 8 hours too, but without knowing the details, I have no real reason to suspect anything untoward.

If the police came on the TV and said they'd kept the road closed for 7 hours longer than necessary, i'd be more than happy/willing to question that.
Other than that, I don't really understand what you're saying with that statement. What exactly would the police be coming on TV to say, in your scenario?

and only then? ha!
And now gnevin is talking about links ffs  :D

I'm done here, hope you two boys are happy in the world yous are living in.
What are you talking about? You're the one who mentioned TV.
But no, not only then.
I'd be happy to question it if there was any reliable evidence to suggest that they'd kept the road closed for no good reason.
But there isn't any, as yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 23, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 23, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are

as I said to the schizophrenic PSNI officer today: look mate, why don't the two of yous just f**k off and leave me alone!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 23, 2009, 10:44:45 PM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
I'm glad they're not the police force you think they are.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 23, 2009, 10:47:37 PM
The bottom line is that we all know what a useless pack of morons they are, and that when this land is once again reunited these clowns will be gone.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Abble on November 24, 2009, 07:54:33 AM
"It is understood soldiers from the elite Special Reconnaissance Regiment had monitored the movements of those involved in the Fermanagh attack for a number of days."


I would now be extremely concerned about the likes of this "Special Reconnaissance Regiment"...if they do want to go back to the good old days they're going the right road about it, the likes of this might get these crazies added support.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 08:53:59 AM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
I'm sure you do.


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 08:57:10 AM
The bottom line is that we all know what a useless pack of morons they are, and that when this land is once again reunited these clowns will be gone.
Yes, and a super efficient police force will emerge out of thin air and all crime will be solved overnight... in less than 10 hours.

And again, your idea of how reunification seems a bit narrow. Where will these "clowns" go? Will Ireland not still require a police force?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 09:43:47 AM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
you are over suspicious imo
but having heard all about the bombs and hoax bombs from the 'war years' in the north of Ireland - 10 hours is a hell of a long time for them to deal with one - esp as modern tech should have speeded up tackling something like this. Though the cops could say they are out of practice.
Candymans post shows that the cops prob knew it was a hoax and decided to milk it for
1. overtime
2. as BC1 says - the exposure and the anti-dissident feeling it would bring up by causing disruptions.

you three are wasting your time attempting to discuss politics and esp anything related to the north with the likes of g(ullible)nevin. the alan partridge of the board - has no knowledge on most things but knows more about them than people with experience and expertise. So just ignore. Its like trying to teach basil fawltys parrot!

as for maguire and on how the ruc/psni have changed....that old chestnut -yes some lower ranking positions have changed as has the fairy at the top of the tree - but the power broking ranks from there down to middle management - they have not changed.
Nor have the tactics of trying to irritate locals in nationalist and catholic and also no surprise - republican areas.
Derry city experiences non policing of nationalist and catholic areas - turning locals against the cops - in places where the cops wouldnt be hated !!

sf have changed, they have jumped into bed with dup and are not seeking the full patten reforms as was intended and at one stage continually requested by sf.


dissidents have no following but because of ruc/psni actions, they are gaining support from a lot of kids. while thats nothing much to worry about right now, in time it could be as they get older.
we know that the cops are used to playing dirty tricks - such as not communicating the omagh bomb warnings in time to the masses, but the blame still lies with these dissident wnakers. kneecapping should make a comeback.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 09:54:22 AM
Did anybody see UTV news last night 10.30 ?

Alex Maskey was on with Basil Mc Crea.

Paul Clarke was doing the interviewing - he asked Maskey about the dissident activity over the weekend. Maskey sang the usual SF song about how they've no support, no manadate, no future etc etc.

Clarke then stops him and says to him " but sure they ( the dissidents ) had good teachers in the Provisional IRA  !!! "


Maskey went bananas and started waving his finger at Clarke !! The truth hurts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:01:27 AM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gnevin on November 24, 2009, 10:02:12 AM
Look lads I'm fed up at this stage, as I say, enjoy the world yous are living in. 

I wish the PSNI were the police force yous think they are
you are over suspicious imo
but having heard all about the bombs and hoax bombs from the 'war years' in the north of Ireland - 10 hours is a hell of a long time for them to deal with one - esp as modern tech should have speeded up tackling something like this. Though the cops could say they are out of practice.
Candymans post shows that the cops prob knew it was a hoax and decided to milk it for
1. overtime
2. as BC1 says - the exposure and the anti-dissident feeling it would bring up by causing disruptions.

you three are wasting your time attempting to discuss politics and esp anything related to the north with the likes of g(ullible)nevin.



When did Candyman become unquestionable? Do you believe everything he says?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Candyman on November 24, 2009, 10:12:37 AM
Im Top Man... I answer to nobody!!  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 24, 2009, 10:25:09 AM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
You should have stopped there.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 24, 2009, 10:43:48 AM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
for a change clarke would have been right - the dissidents top men were ex provos
but by all accounts these top brass are now either away or locked up with no QM or experts left to handle such tech creations as bombs.

the dissidents therefore are equiv to the loyalist/unionist gangs who fail miserably to properly make pipe bombs.
they manage to create risky dangerous devices, but these run the risk of blowing themselves up more than any intended targets.

if that is a picture of the car after impact, then either the 'bomb' imploded and sucked in the bodywork or the psni are severely out of touch in their bomb defusing techniques as the obv were using sledgehammers to set it off !
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: offtheground on November 24, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
Think the car was rammed through the barriers, looks like they reversed it through before they legged it...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: EC Unique on November 24, 2009, 10:55:54 AM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
You should have stopped there.

Why?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on November 24, 2009, 01:19:04 PM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!

If a detonator could do that damage then who needs a bomb?  ::)

Is that a picture of a car blown up by a detonator?

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 04:36:13 PM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
I'm no more of an expert that you, but as we're making assumptions, on the basis of that picture, I would have thought the device might have been in the boot of the car, hence the back end blown out of it. If there was heavy impact from behind, i'd expect to see the bodywork crushed in, not blown open.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 05:09:48 PM
as for maguire and on how the ruc/psni have changed....that old chestnut -
Again, for those with a selective reading issue, I have acknowledged on numerous occassions that policing reform is a work in progress.  And I acknowledge that some still say policing is ineffective in their areas. But i'm sure people in parts of Limerick, Dublin, London, Glasgow, Manchester... could all tell the same tale.

Yet despite the presence of a policing board, ombudsman, reports by the oversight commission on the implementation of Patten, huge turnover of personnel at all levels, you don't seem to be able to acknowledge any progress.
The fact that you continue to use "ruc/psni" would give the impression that you want to perpetuate the historic image of the police here; very much like the DUP and their use of "IRA/SF".

but having heard all about the bombs and hoax bombs from the 'war years' in the north of Ireland - 10 hours is a hell of a long time for them to deal with one - esp as modern tech should have speeded up tackling something like this. Though the cops could say they are out of practice.
Candymans post shows that the cops prob knew it was a hoax and decided to milk it for
1. overtime
2. as BC1 says - the exposure and the anti-dissident feeling it would bring up by causing disruptions.
Once again, it didn't take 10 hours - it took about 8.
And Candyman's post shows nothing as it's no more reliable than any opinion on this board. It's funny that you can be suspicious about why the police kept the roads closed for 8 hours, yet you're happy to take the word of an anonymous poster on the internet at face value.
Now Candyman may well be telling the truth; but then who is to say the cop he was talking to told him the truth? Sure they can't be trusted!



Also, for anyone who has a problem with the 8 hour closedown and the way the police handled it, would it be an idea to hold the police to account at the next DPP meeting? Ask them to justify an 8-hour closedown. Or is it easier to sit back and give out on the internet?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: angermanagement on November 24, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 06:02:43 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.
That's far too logical.  :P
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 24, 2009, 06:22:50 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.


Yes, they need to be sure but it should not take that long no matter the hour to determine that the thing is a hoax and that there are no booby traps, that is ridiculous and they completely ripped the arse out of it, overtime looks good for the delay to me.

History tells you this should have been cleaned up inside of two hours, I once watched them make that determination inside an hour with a suspect device on the mullinure road in Armagh, I could also have told them that it was a fake because I had seen the older lads from our area make it.

Before any of you start I was about twelve at the time.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: THE DADGA on November 24, 2009, 06:23:22 PM



This is the car that the Bomb was in at the weekend. The detonator went off in the car but the bomb failed to explode.

Now I'm no expert but take a look at the car. It looks like it has had a heavy impact from behind with the damage on the Quarter panel. Both the front windscreen and passanger side windows are still in the car. This is not damage I would expect from an explosiion inside the car.

Something just not right!
for a change clarke would have been right - the dissidents top men were ex provos
but by all accounts these top brass are now either away or locked up with no QM or experts left to handle such tech creations as bombs.

the dissidents therefore are equiv to the loyalist/unionist gangs who fail miserably to properly make pipe bombs.
they manage to create risky dangerous devices, but these run the risk of blowing themselves up more than any intended targets.

if that is a picture of the car after impact, then either the 'bomb' imploded and sucked in the bodywork or the psni are severely out of touch in their bomb defusing techniques as the obv were using sledgehammers to set it off !
if tv has taught us anything its that bombs are set of by fire or a lit fuse etc. However in the real world its alot less visually exciting:(unless its a fire bomb) semtex, ammonium nitrate etc. Become unstable and explode due to a shock wave or somethin similar. Knowin the 'genius' RA the kicker was prob  a calor gas tank with a spark plug welded into the side of it hooked up to the car bat. But wat puzzles me is, if it was a stereotypical provo setup.and if the bomb was Drove into the side of the building it would have went off on impact. This didn't happen. I'd say it was an elborate Hoax!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 24, 2009, 11:08:13 PM
Two charged with PSNI murder bid 
 
A man has been charged over the attack in Garrison
Two men, aged 32 and 26, have been charged with attempted murder over an attack in the County Fermanagh village of Garrison at the weekend.

One shot was fired at undercover police on Saturday. Police fired two shots in return but nobody was hurt.

Both men have also been charged with having a firearm with intent to endanger life.

The 26-year-old has also been charged with using a firearm with intent to resist arrest.

Three other men arrested after the incident were released without charge on Monday.

Two were arrested by the PSNI in Fermanagh and one by Irish police in County Leitrim.

 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on November 24, 2009, 11:16:39 PM
Two were arrested by the PSNI in Fermanagh and one by Irish police in County Leitrim.
The statue of Seán Mac Diarmada was arrested in Kiltyclogher but was released when the RUC realised that it was like getting blood from a stone and an officer broke his knuckle digging him.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 24, 2009, 11:23:14 PM
Surely they were worried about booby traps left in the area and searching in day light would make it a lot easier as would searching for any forensic evidence left at the scene and considering theres a school in the area surely they would need to be 100% there has been nothing else left.


Yes, they need to be sure but it should not take that long no matter the hour to determine that the thing is a hoax and that there are no booby traps, that is ridiculous and they completely ripped the arse out of it, overtime looks good for the delay to me.

History tells you this should have been cleaned up inside of two hours, I once watched them make that determination inside an hour with a suspect device on the mullinure road in Armagh, I could also have told them that it was a fake because I had seen the older lads from our area make it.

Before any of you start I was about twelve at the time.
You should go to your next DPP meeting and ask them to account for the 8 hour closure and enquire as to how much overtime was incurred.
Tell them how long these things should take.
Hold them to account.

This is like saying the police should have a road opened within an hour after a car accident, because "history" tells me they did it once outside my house.
Or the fire service should put out a house fire in two hours, because "history" tells me they did that once down the road.
Or the exclusion zone and road closures at Mallusk last week due to the threat of a gas explosion - sure "history" tells me that the fire service were able to remove the exclusion zone at another gas incident within 5 hours.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 10:04:14 AM
Another policeman targetted by dissidents, according to radio ulster news the man is seriously ill in hospital...




A policeman has been taken to hospital after a bomb exploded under his car in County Antrim.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said the officer's condition is not known at this stage.

There is an ongoing security alert at the scene of the explosion on Milltown Road in Randalstown.

No one has claimed responsibility for planting the bomb, which exploded at 0630 GMT.

The road has been closed and army technical officers have been called to the scene.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a spate of bomb attacks across Northern Ireland in the last year.

In October, a dissident group planted a bomb under a policeman's car in east Belfast.

His partner suffered minor injuries in the attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 08, 2010, 10:15:38 AM
Another policeman targetted by dissidents, according to radio ulster news the man is seriously ill in hospital...




A policeman has been taken to hospital after a bomb exploded under his car in County Antrim.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said the officer's condition is not known at this stage.

There is an ongoing security alert at the scene of the explosion on Milltown Road in Randalstown.

No one has claimed responsibility for planting the bomb, which exploded at 0630 GMT.

The road has been closed and army technical officers have been called to the scene.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a spate of bomb attacks across Northern Ireland in the last year.

In October, a dissident group planted a bomb under a policeman's car in east Belfast.

His partner suffered minor injuries in the attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm
Whilst the whole of the rest of NI was enjoying themselves watching you-know-who on the TV last night, happy to be at home in the warmth etc, it seems that one bunch of verminous c***ts were out in the cold planning their murderous scheme.

And the saddest things is, whilst one poor man lies seriously injured in hospital as a result, his plight will receive little or no attention, since we'll all still be laughing and jeering over the sordid antics of those Robinson twa ts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 08, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
This brings the furore about the Robinsons into context.

Two people being people just the same as happens in the republic.  Bertie Ahern and his fluid finances.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 10:20:43 AM
Sex sells EG
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 08, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
How stupid are they, the DUP are hanging by a thread and they do that. thick
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: passedit on January 08, 2010, 10:40:20 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 08, 2010, 11:03:12 AM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Stable accordiing to latest reports - he's going to be ok.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on January 08, 2010, 11:05:04 AM
How stupid are they, the DUP are hanging by a thread and they do that. thick

Completely brainless...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 08, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on January 08, 2010, 01:33:04 PM
If it was indeed 'republicans' who carried this out they have to be some crowd of brainless idiots.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 08, 2010, 01:55:59 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2010, 01:57:44 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Don't worry there are plenty of those on the board. Especially with this kind of conspiracy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 08, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Don't worry there are plenty of those on the board. Especially with this kind of conspiracy.
Too true!  Peter the Punt was seen horseback on Shergar, giving Lord Lucan a backie whistling Elvis songs on a grassy knoll outside Randalstown.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 08, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Don't worry there are plenty of those on the board. Especially with this kind of conspiracy.
Too true!  Peter the Punt was seen horseback on Shergar, giving Lord Lucan a backie whistling Elvis songs on a grassy knoll outside Randalstown.


You saw that too ? I thought my eyes were decieving me.  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on January 08, 2010, 02:31:41 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?

I heard that too.

Dissadent = dumbass
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 08, 2010, 02:36:06 PM
The timing seems to be very handy for the establishment and the fact that it was a catholic and a Gaelic Footballer.

Conspiracy theorists would have a field day with this one.

Eamonn Mallie says he was the captain of the PSNI GAA team.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: passedit on January 08, 2010, 02:42:06 PM
He is also a player with St Pauls Holywood. For those of you who are religious, he could do with your prayers at the moment.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on January 08, 2010, 04:09:49 PM
He is also a player with St Pauls Holywood. For those of you who are religious, he could do with your prayers at the moment.

He will have mine.

may God curse the animals that did this,  have no time for the PSNI but they dont deserve to get blown up and killed. I hope the get these scumbags and hang them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 08, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
i am at a loss as to what to say!! he is one of the most civil fellas you could ever meet, and for some dirty scumbags to do this is to him beggers belief!! my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family at this time!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 08, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
i am at a loss as to what to say!! he is one of the most civil fellas you could ever meet, and for some dirty scumbags to do this is to him beggers belief!! my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family at this time!!
Well said, all right thinking people will have this man in their thoughts and prayers tonight.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 06:18:17 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on January 08, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

So throw every one of them into a jail cell and let the tramps fight with each other all they want. They need to be turned in. Not one more po;lice office should have to die at the hands of these cnuts. >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenexile on January 08, 2010, 06:29:37 PM
Scum of the earth to do this! I remember him at School he was a Senior Prefect for our year and a civil fella! He was also at the Underdogs trial I was at a few years ago. A genuine guy who was going about his job. What do they hope to achieve by this??? It really beggars belief! Brainless sc**bag c***ts is all they are.

Prayers are with Peadar I hope he can get through this!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2010, 06:46:05 PM
Said on the news he is a relation of a "senior Sinn Fein member".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 08, 2010, 07:13:05 PM
Terrible news. He is ten times a better Irishman than the pathetic halfwits who constructed,planted or support this bomb.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 08, 2010, 07:14:52 PM
passedit, rest assured he will be in my prayers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 08, 2010, 08:31:54 PM
Terrible news. He is ten times a better Irishman than the pathetic halfwits who constructed,planted or support this bomb.

well said. .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2010, 08:37:34 PM
Nobody blaming the Brits for planting the bomb this time ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 08, 2010, 08:44:45 PM
Nobody blaming the Brits for planting the bomb this time ?

Nope- is wrong at any time but shows how brain dead these people are when all the focus was on humiliating and getting rid of the corrupt Robinson family.     
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2010, 10:38:15 PM
Nobody blaming the Brits for planting the bomb this time ?
On the Robinsons thread hereiam alluded that Peter Robinson was behind it to get the heat off him  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:24 AM
Absolute scumbags.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 01:08:32 PM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 02:11:34 PM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: downredblack on January 09, 2010, 02:38:26 PM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf

Made me smile when I seen it , remember it being said in our house . No idea what it means though .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on January 09, 2010, 02:43:20 PM
Of the first water (http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/137550.html)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: downredblack on January 09, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
 Handy site that Hardy, book marked her .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Square Ball on January 09, 2010, 02:50:15 PM
Terrible news. He is ten times a better Irishman than the pathetic halfwits who constructed,planted or support this bomb.

here here
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on January 09, 2010, 04:04:00 PM
Did the injured man ever play for St Mary's Magherfelt?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 09, 2010, 04:21:21 PM
Did the injured man ever play for St Mary's Magherfelt?


Yep
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on January 09, 2010, 04:57:17 PM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf

I am here to teach...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
Absolute scumbags.

Wa nkers of the first water.

...of the first water  ???  wtf

I am here to teach...

Fair n'uff... good one. I thought you just made it up yourself.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 06:51:59 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
Yes EG, some of us were saying it in the 1980s and 1990s and were laughed at by some SF lackeys even then. 

I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar

As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 09, 2010, 07:37:27 PM


I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar
If that is how I come across, then I regret that, since I had hoped I was always careful in my use of language to be precise and specific (even at the cost of being thought a "windbag" etc). Which is why, for example, I was careful to exclude you explicitly from the above point I was making.

More generally, if I genuinely thought that "yis was all the same" etc, I wouldn't actually bother to post here; after all, what would be the point, if my comments where to meet a deaf ear across the Board?

Oh well.

As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Indeed - the most important aspect of all this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eoghan Mag on January 09, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
Any chance we could get the name of this thread changed please? What makes them dissidents?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Main Street on January 09, 2010, 08:04:29 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
It does take a self righteous, transparently vain gobshite like yourself to come on and make  that very point.
Whether you regarded the concluded armed conflict by Republicans as justified or unjustified, crime or war, comments like that have no respectful place in this thread just as comments supporting dissident republicans would not be fitting.
Militant republicans voted by a vast majority to accept the terms of the Belfast Agreement and have steadfastly stood by their signatures.

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?



Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 09, 2010, 08:11:21 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(
It does take a self righteous, transparently vain gobshite like yourself to come on and make  that very point.
Whether you regarded the concluded armed conflict by Republicans as justified or unjustified, crime or war, comments like that have no respectful place in this thread just as comments supporting dissident republicans would not be fitting.
Militant republicans voted by a vast majority to accept the terms of the Belfast Agreement and have steadfastly stood by their signatures.

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

Its simple ardmhachaabu & Evil Genius are 100% correct on this one.

Let me add my "I TOLD YOU SO"
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 09, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
got a text this evening saying that Peadar's condition is now seen as stable but he lost a lot of blood and has a long way to go. he used most of the hospitals blood reserve so if anyone wants to donate some, please go to www.nibts.org (http://www.nibts.org) for more information!! will let you know if i hear any more!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on January 09, 2010, 08:16:39 PM
got a text this evening saying that Peadar's condition is now seen as stable but he lost a lot of blood and has a long way to go. he used most of the hospitals blood reserve so if anyone wants to donate some, please go to www.nibts.org (http://www.nibts.org) for more information!! will let you know if i hear any more!!!

Good to hear he is stable.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 09:04:27 PM
got a text this evening saying that Peadar's condition is now seen as stable but he lost a lot of blood and has a long way to go. he used most of the hospitals blood reserve so if anyone wants to donate some, please go to www.nibts.org (http://www.nibts.org) for more information!! will let you know if i hear any more!!!

thats great news. the people who did this will never change and the only hope is that the cops are successful in catching them
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 09, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
Great to hear he's stable stpauls. Hopefully he can make a full recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 09, 2010, 09:32:02 PM
Has anyone heard of the 3 dissadents picked up in Belturbet Yesterday?  Haven't seen anything on the net.

Apparently a Garda/PSNI operation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 09, 2010, 10:24:45 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 10:30:45 PM
Aye, I know most fairminded people can't quite reconcile Wee Martys "traitor" speech after Massereene with the previous 40 years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 09, 2010, 10:31:41 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
Good post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 09, 2010, 10:36:56 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?




It's hard to reconcile this alright.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on January 09, 2010, 11:09:43 PM
Has anyone heard of the 3 dissadents picked up in Belturbet Yesterday?  Haven't seen anything on the net.

Apparently a Garda/PSNI operation.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2010/0108/ireland/cavan-gardai-arrest-three-in-dissidents-probe-441234.html
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:16:18 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch link=topic=14567.msg711618#msg711618
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?

Hmmm.... I think there was something happened in the intervening years (1994-2010).

Not sure, but I have a vague recollection...

There was something...

Let me see.

Hmm...

No, it's gone.

Mustn't have been important.

Of course you're correct, can't argue when 'logic dictates'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 09, 2010, 11:19:32 PM
Ulick, are you Donagh?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 11:21:00 PM
What happened Donagh?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 09, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch link=topic=14567.msg711618#msg711618
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?

Hmmm.... I think there was something happened in the intervening years (1994-2010).

Not sure, but I have a vague recollection...

There was something...

Let me see.

Hmm...

No, it's gone.

Mustn't have been important.

Of course you're correct, can't argue when 'logic dictates'.

Sarcasm will never detract from the fact that the thing that dare not speak its name in SF circles is that 69-94 was a bit of a defeat - not an honourable draw - and calling the campaign in that period as heroic is like saying that Jade Goody with a face-lift would make her attractive.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 09, 2010, 11:26:35 PM
What happened Donagh?
Don't know but he was from Armagh and had a similar avatar.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:47:03 PM
Ulick, are you Donagh?

No, I'm Spartacus.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 09, 2010, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: Hurler on the Bitch link=topic=14567.msg711645#msg711645
Sarcasm will never detract from the fact that the thing that dare not speak its name in SF circles is that 69-94 was a bit of a defeat - not an honourable draw - and calling the campaign in that period as heroic is like saying that Jade Goody with a face-lift would make her attractive.

A face-lift and worming treatment still wouldn't make her attractive at this stage.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 09, 2010, 11:52:11 PM


I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar
If that is how I come across, then I regret that, since I had hoped I was always careful in my use of language to be precise and specific (even at the cost of being thought a "windbag" etc). Which is why, for example, I was careful to exclude you explicitly from the above point I was making.

More generally, if I genuinely thought that "yis was all the same" etc, I wouldn't actually bother to post here; after all, what would be the point, if my comments where to meet a deaf ear across the Board?

Oh well.

As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Indeed - the most important aspect of all this.
EG, yes, I do think that's the way you come across at times. There have been threads where I have tried to point out that you were wrong in your idea of what the GAA is about and the political attitudes you seem to attribute to all GAA followers. I hope this exchange and posts from other people here will help to show you that some of us are moving on in every possible way, including the young PSNI officer

On the issue of the morality of killing PSNI/RUC/B Specials... killing is wrong, no matter who you are.  I know you didn't raise the issue, others did and I am just making myself clear here
 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 09, 2010, 11:56:15 PM


I think the problem some people on the board have with you EG, with respect, is that you seem to tar everyone with the one brush so to speak - I know for a fact that there are quite a few people on the board here whom never had time for violence, unless it involved a size 5 ONeills or a sliothar
If that is how I come across, then I regret that, since I had hoped I was always careful in my use of language to be precise and specific (even at the cost of being thought a "windbag" etc). Which is why, for example, I was careful to exclude you explicitly from the above point I was making.

More generally, if I genuinely thought that "yis was all the same" etc, I wouldn't actually bother to post here; after all, what would be the point, if my comments where to meet a deaf ear across the Board?

Oh well.

As regards the PSNI officer, I sincerely hope he comes through this vicious and cowardly attack
Indeed - the most important aspect of all this.
EG, yes, I do think that's the way you come across at times. There have been threads where I have tried to point out that you were wrong in your idea of what the GAA is about and the political attitudes you seem to attribute to all GAA followers. I hope this exchange and posts from other people here will help to show you that some of us are moving on in every possible way, including the young PSNI officer

On the issue of the morality of killing PSNI/RUC/B Specials... **killing is wrong, no matter who you are.**  I know you didn't raise the issue, others did and I am just making myself clear here

What about the death penalty for henious murders?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 10, 2010, 12:00:07 AM
I don't believe in it fox
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 12:02:44 AM
Guess what ardmhachaabu?... neither do I... hands across the Blackwater! We've finally agreed on something  :P
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 10, 2010, 12:05:15 AM
ardmachaabu is not from Armagh. I've often wondered about his ardmacha connection. What is it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 12:07:24 AM
Who the f*** asked you?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 10, 2010, 12:12:20 AM
Who the f*** asked you?
I asked myself, from 15 yards away.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 12:15:56 AM
8) I'm cool and in control here but that Anagaire Bridge of yours could go up tonite if you get my drift...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 10, 2010, 12:17:33 AM
8) I'm cool and in control here but that Anagaire Bridge of yours could go up tonite if you get my drift...
The Anagaire bridge is in bad nick with the snow.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 10, 2010, 12:17:43 AM
ardmachaabu is not from Armagh. I've often wondered about his ardmacha connection. What is it?
See, that's where you are wrong.  I am from Armagh, my whole family is from Armagh, my ma's side and my da's side.  It's where I grew up went to primary and grammar school and that's that.  Are you just confused because I live in Belfast?  ;)

Get someone else to bite by the way, I am not having it  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 05:44:23 PM
Fairly sure the lad is a gaelic footballer. any update on his condition?


Just heard on radio ulster he was indeed the captain of the psni's Gaelic football team also an Irish language expert for the police, was based in woodburn in Belfast. You have to wonder what these pricks are thinking, how in gods name can they ever see their actions moving the process towards a united Ireland, it absolutely beggars belief?
They don't think like normal people, this is the problem.  They see themselves as the inheritors of the legacy of the men and women of 1916 when in reality, they are the furthest thing from it.  Oh and they don't give a fcuk about politics, they prefer violence, some of them are more comfortable with violence than peace

Don't wish to have a pop at you in any way, aa, still less to detract from the plight of the poor officer fighting for his life in hospital, but many of us were saying that as far back as the 1970's... >:(

The petty minded self righteous ones just can't move on, they  love to spout   'oh we were right all along and you guys were too thick to see you were wrong'
or whining    'well if you condemn this killing why didn't you condemn the hundreds of other RUC/UDR killings?

The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?

how about this for an effort, there is no chance under the sun that violence will change anything in ni now. if the dissidents continue its violence for the sake of violence and thats beyond any doubt after the gfa. 90% of the pop knew this way before the gfa the vast majority of the rest got the message in the last few years. there are still a tiny few not listening. they need to be caught by the cops asap 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
Quote
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
excellent post and spot on.  Anyone who condems these attacks but felt other were fine is a hypocrite, plain and simple.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Miss Doubtfire on January 10, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
So refreshing to go on here and see that the majority of people seem to be against the disgusting and cowardly act carried out on Friday morning. Peadar is still very critical and even if he pulls through this, as I pray he will, he is going to have a lot to deal with in his recovery! Please keep him in your prayers!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 06:04:29 PM
Quote
The fact remains that those republicans who condemn the attack yesterday - but prior to 1994 would have talked of LEGITIMATE TARGETS - have a bit of thinking to do. If it was not wrong in 1972, 1982 or 1992, then why was it was wrong yesterday? Thus, logic dictates that those who attacked the RUC throughout the Troubles, in hindsight, are "scum" "traitors" and "evil". People cannot be choosy with the truth. Same aim, same logic! The most popular ballad in Republican pubs and clubs is Sean South. South's intentions in 1957 were to kill police officers, so why sing a song to the glory of a man who tried to kill police officers 50 years ago, and condemn those who did it yesterday? ps - the IRA killed a Catholic policeman from Ballycastle the day before South was killed. A man who had a GAA background! So, please lets not take the high moral ground when it is, obviously, clouded by hippocrites with short memories. If attacks on police officers are wrong, then they were always wrong - or is there something I have missed?
excellent post and spot on.  Anyone who condems these attacks but felt other were fine is a hypocrite, plain and simple.



SF as a whole as soon as it was policy to condemn attacks on the police etc started to condemn those were using violence but not sanctioned by them.



SF must then be a party of hypocrites as all of its membership supported the ballot box and the use of violence on its own or simultaneously ??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:10:15 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:21:52 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 06:29:28 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!


Surely that would be impossible ? It might take another generation or so for this to happen ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 06:31:05 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!
Right after FF say the targeting of policemen between 1918-1922 was wrong?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 06:42:24 PM
I think personally that SF would gain a lot more credibility if it was to state publicly that the tactic of targeting police officers in the the 69-94 era was wrong! Totally wrong, counter-productive and bordering on the sectarian. It would help add credibility to any condemnations of attacks such as those on Friday. However, there are those now in positions of community leadership - all card carrying republicans - whose role in the targeting the police left a lot to be desired. The attack on Mr Heffron was something that republicans would have thought to have been 'fair game' up until 1994 ("it's not the person, it's the uniform you are targeting"), so the 'evil' argument is something that a lot of Born-Again Republicans use when in fact they should look long and hard at a campaign that was guilty of the same - even worse!

Surely that would be impossible ? It might take another generation or so for this to happen ?

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. There is this old SHITE that the IRA in days of yore (1916, 1921, 1922, 1956, early 1970s etc) were proud and upstanding fearless men. All crap! There is - and never will be - a clean war. The IRA men of the last epoch are now being turned into clean cut and brave defenders of the Nationalist people. History is being re-written by SF and the truth will be lost in a load of bollox! Just as the IRA tried to blame the Brits on Enniskillen, Bloody Friday etc, by the year 2016, the whole of the c**k-ups over the last 30 years will have been designated as Their Fault! ie - the Brits.
SF want a truth commission so as they can expose the collusion in the dirty war. That type of 'Truth' will only c ome when republicanism faces up to a few home truths - i.e. that the 'Long War' was a waste of time; "Victory" was never going to be realised; and basically that the targeting of police satisfied only a blood lust from within the hawk base of the IRA.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2010, 06:52:13 PM
What is their objective? united Ireland, brits/prods out?  are we to go for another 30 odd years before this is achieved and another 'group' starts up and fights for something else?

I've been very lucky growing up in a troubled land and avoiding the pitfalls, would be sad to see my kids grow up in something that has the potential to maim and kill loved ones.

wont be long before our prisons will be full of young men
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on January 10, 2010, 07:15:05 PM
What is their objective? united Ireland, brits/prods out?  are we to go for another 30 odd years before this is achieved and another 'group' starts up and fights for something else?

I've been very lucky growing up in a troubled land and avoiding the pitfalls, would be sad to see my kids grow up in something that has the potential to maim and kill loved ones.

wont be long before our prisons will be full of young men
If these young men are the ones going about planting bombs under police officers' cars, the sooner the better.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 07:27:11 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...   
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 07:39:32 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 07:43:46 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.
You'd know all about that. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 10, 2010, 07:45:58 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Totally agree. The f**k wits involved in Fridays act wouldn't know what oppression,inequality or human rights are. Call me a hypocrite all ya want but there is no way anybody can compare what happened on Friday to what was happening back in the 60's or 70's.
Expecting the full brunt of EG/Myles etc I firmly believe that relative peace on this island would never have been achieved without the armed struggle,like it or not, I think thats a fact.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 10, 2010, 08:12:13 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Totally agree. The f**k wits involved in Fridays act wouldn't know what oppression,inequality or human rights are. Call me a hypocrite all ya want but there is no way anybody can compare what happened on Friday to what was happening back in the 60's or 70's.
Expecting the full brunt of EG/Myles etc I firmly believe that relative peace on this island would never have been achieved without the armed struggle,like it or not, I think thats a fact.
What about what happened in the 80s and 90s?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 08:20:48 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.

For starters I aren't your friend... you really think the Brits/Orange state (same thing...rem collusion  :o) got the message in 1973... wat age are you? 21?  I ain't justifying everything the Provos did, I'm saying  something that could be justified in one era may be a lot harder to justify it now. Anyway, you protest too much whatever your baggage is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on January 10, 2010, 08:28:37 PM
To those differentiating between the moral basis of killing pre-1994 and now, what are the substantive differences between Sunningdale and Good Friday?

[Edit] Remiss of me to omit my good wishes to GAA man Peadar Heffron and my hope for his full recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 08:32:13 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.

For starters I aren't your friend... you really think the Brits/Orange state (same thing...rem collusion  :o) got the message in 1973... wat age are you? 21?  I ain't justifying everything the Provos did, I'm saying  something that could be justified in one era may be a lot harder to justify it now. Anyway, you protest too much whatever your baggage is.

I am not your friend either. So nah, na, ne, nah nah!!!

(a) So, IRA man booby-traps RUC car in 1970s and kills officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that was ALRIGHT - considering what they (the Brits) put us through! and (b) Militant republican booby-traps PSNI car in 2010 and maims officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that is BAD? because the Brits are ok now! (keep us in community-based jobs)   .. The fact is that (a) was roundly condemned back then as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" ... especially by constitutional Nationalists. Today, those involved in (b) are condemned by mainstream republicans as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" .. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Either the past is something that is being view through rose-tinted spectacles or, Heaven forbid, we are all members of the SDLP / Workers Party now?

ps - no agenda, just Devil's Advocate - a bit of debate on the past is not a bad thing.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 09:09:46 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now.
that's not a fact, that's your opinion
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:15:07 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now.
that's not a fact, that's your opinion

My use of the words "if it was" puts the statement in the hypothetical. Thus, not my view and merely putting the sentence in historical context. Devil's Advocate - not opinion!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 10, 2010, 09:17:29 PM
sorry, missed "if".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 10, 2010, 09:17:49 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Totally agree. The f**k wits involved in Fridays act wouldn't know what oppression,inequality or human rights are. Call me a hypocrite all ya want but there is no way anybody can compare what happened on Friday to what was happening back in the 60's or 70's.
Expecting the full brunt of EG/Myles etc I firmly believe that relative peace on this island would never have been achieved without the armed struggle,like it or not, I think thats a fact.
What about what happened in the 80s and 90s?

Im not getting into a big debate because these things have been debated to death many times.I will stand by what I said and Im definitely not the only one.
Maguire-Remember that Maggie Thatcher was in power in Britain in the 80's,definitely not a friend of the Nationalist people.. By the 90's there was little support for the armed struggle as things were beginning to turn and people were fed up with violence.
People painting the whole issue of the armed struggle as a black and white issue thats only aim was a United Ireland are blinkered and narrow minded IMO.

ps: Let me also wish the injured police officer a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: windyshepardhenderson on January 10, 2010, 09:22:53 PM
firstly, i wish a speedy recovery to the officer injured and wholeheartedly condemn those who did it, they represent no one...

As for this debate regarding attacks on police during the troubles and attacks nowadays, jees its like black and white.
How are SF hyprocites if they fully support the police now? As you all know during the troubles they were quite opposed to the RUC and with good reason too. The actions of the RUC were downright disgraceful and they were responsible for so much turmoil including collusion with paramilitaries and murder, put simply they were not an acceptable police force. the PSNI whilst not perfect do not engage in such activity.

We are talking about tactics (not the small mint flavoured sweets) and the fact remains that if it was wrong in the 70s and 80s, it is wrong today. You are guilty of generalising in that the RUC was, according to your own logic, one worthy and legitimate target. Catholic, Protestant, male, female etc, all up to their necks in the "conspiracy" and therefore deserving of what they got. So it was okay to shoot and bomb all police prior to 1994, but things are okay now.
I'm not generalising i'm stating the perspective that many republicans held during that time. All killing is wrong, lets not beat about the bush on that one.. (sure if it was up to me no one would have died in the troubles,but its not that easy). The fact is the RUC were (for the most part) downright disgraceful, the fact that we now have the PSNI would suggest to a certain degree acknowledgement that the RUC was not an acceptable police force for anyone. I would also go as far to say that the political climate in the 70s/80s/early 90s is somewhat different to the one which we are now in and would go some way in explaining as to why SF condemn these attacks by dissidents
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:25:09 PM
Look lads. This argument has been exhausted. Perhaps we should remember that an officer is fighting for his life and save the whatabouteries for another time.

HOTB
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trileacman on January 10, 2010, 09:37:30 PM
As someone who hasn't taken sides in this one yet can I say that most of the sentiment expressed so far is much the same and the only wrong assumption made is that it is as clear as "black and white". History and, from experience, Irish History is never "black and white".

The debate is centering on the justification of criminal actions and I suppose there is no right or wrong here and not alot that can be changed or proven. Your viewpoint on the issues is based upon how much weight you put on the concept of "just war", emotionally charged conflict and an acceptable level of retribution.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: trileacman on January 10, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past
The perpetrators of this action would consider it an "achievement" if violence would topple the NI assembly. The violence may someday do so, we don't know. Hence any act of violence will "achieve" something if the perpetrator has an aim in mind before committing it. What the majority would consider a catastrophe may be considered an achievement by some.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 10, 2010, 09:50:16 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past
The perpetrators of this action would consider it an "achievement" if violence would topple the NI assembly. The violence may someday do so, we don't know. Hence any act of violence will "achieve" something if the perpetrator has an aim in mind before committing it. What the majority would consider a catastrophe may be considered an achievement by some.

Sorry, did you not read my previous post? Or are your brains in your arse? I am beginning to think that it is actually you in that picture of yours!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Miss Doubtfire on January 10, 2010, 09:57:11 PM
What the majority would consider a catastrophe may be considered an achievement by some.
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I think we are all aware that some imbeciles may see it like this. But it's not something any of us want to discuss!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: passedit on January 10, 2010, 10:15:52 PM
For those interested, Peadar came through a major operation this evening and things are looking slightly more positive.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 10, 2010, 10:33:43 PM
Glad to hear that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 10, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
violence can never be justified when it can achieve absolutely nothing, that is the case in ni today. that may or may not have been the case in the past


The IRA were told in the 70s, 80s and 90's that their violence would achieve nothing but it didn't stop them.


The so called dissidents are being told the exact same thing today and it probably won't stop them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 10, 2010, 10:47:54 PM
If they condemn the attacks now orangeman then yeah they're hypocrites, it was fine when the PIRA were killing people.

Things evolve and change. What happened before and took off in 1969 was against a backround of inequality and total oppresion of nationalists. While it is not  a perfect world, it can hardly be said that conditions are now the same or that the only recourse is armed insurrection. Maybe the ceasefire should have come before 1994 but what were nationalsits to do before that, lie down and be trampled underfoot by Unionist supremacy... no jobs, no rights, housing etc... and when they protested were battered off the streets.
Different times called for different actions...

Jesus Christ! - did you get that from "The ABSOLUTE Beginners' Guide to Irish Politics"? There is nobody from the Nationalist community - and increasingly few from a Unionist perspective - who will argue against the existence of institutionalised discrimination, but hold on! I think that the Brits and the Orange State got the message about 1973. PS - getting "battered of the streets" did call for radical tactics, but when it meant targeting off-duty RUC officers in front of their kids etc, then a bit of thought was called for. The sectarian state of Northern Ireland was bad; but, perhaps, some of the methods used to destroy it were worse. The high moral ground in Northern Ireland my friend is now a very crowded piece of land.

For starters I aren't your friend... you really think the Brits/Orange state (same thing...rem collusion  :o) got the message in 1973... wat age are you? 21?  I ain't justifying everything the Provos did, I'm saying  something that could be justified in one era may be a lot harder to justify it now. Anyway, you protest too much whatever your baggage is.

I am not your friend either. So nah, na, ne, nah nah!!!

(a) So, IRA man booby-traps RUC car in 1970s and kills officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that was ALRIGHT - considering what they (the Brits) put us through! and (b) Militant republican booby-traps PSNI car in 2010 and maims officer all in the name of a United Ireland and that is BAD? because the Brits are ok now! (keep us in community-based jobs)   .. The fact is that (a) was roundly condemned back then as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" ... especially by constitutional Nationalists. Today, those involved in (b) are condemned by mainstream republicans as "f**k wits who wouldn't know what oppression, inequality or human rights are" .. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Either the past is something that is being view through rose-tinted spectacles or, Heaven forbid, we are all members of the SDLP / Workers Party now?

ps - no agenda, just Devil's Advocate - a bit of debate on the past is not a bad thing.

WTF is that all about? Jees! I can't make haed or tail of all that shite... don't even know if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 12:51:34 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pebble-dasher on January 11, 2010, 01:24:25 PM
What is a dissident republican?  Who are the real republicans they are dissenting from?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 01:30:36 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 01:48:07 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on January 11, 2010, 01:51:10 PM
Was the bombing of Berlin/shooting of Germans justified in WWII?

Would it be justified now?  Different times.

It is far too simplistic to gloss over things the way you have HOTB.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: aontroim on January 11, 2010, 01:57:19 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

OM is referring to Conor McSherry being a founder member of St. Brigid's here I think - not Peadar Heffron.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 11, 2010, 02:00:43 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

OM is referring to Conor McSherry being a founder member of St. Brigid's here I think - not Peadar Heffron.


Correct.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haranguerer on January 11, 2010, 03:03:43 PM
Conor Mc Sherry from St Brigids on Talkback now talking about Peadar.

Is he connected to Brigids?


A founding member I believe.

Manager I think it said. Talked about the challenge match they had with the PSNI. Wendy said that he had been threatened as a result of them taking the match. Said that a few players on both sides decided that it was going to be more than just a friendly and that Peadar was one of the boys who got bate in. Said that he'd have Peadar on his team any day.

OM is referring to Conor McSherry being a founder member of St. Brigid's here I think - not Peadar Heffron.


Correct.

Thanks - aye, was asking if Peadar was connected to Brigids, but thats cleared it up
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: red hander on January 11, 2010, 06:49:20 PM
McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'.  Even on occasions like this he can't hide his bigotry
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on January 11, 2010, 07:04:33 PM
What a petulent prat...I really do hope that seany's predictions are correct and exposed to put this idiot in his place.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on January 11, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
I read that Mc Crea is in court in Ballymena this week, over charges of copyright of a song,not sure if it`s lyrics or music he allegedly copied. He should be prosecuted for imatating a singer!

I hope Pedar recovers full health as soon as possible.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 11, 2010, 09:46:29 PM
Peadar has a big operation tomorrow, he will be in theatre for about 6 hours.  Please keep him in your prayers.

Padre Pio pray for him.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tots on January 11, 2010, 09:52:03 PM
I read that Mc Crea is in court in Ballymena this week, over charges of copyright of a song,not sure if it`s lyrics or music he allegedly copied. He should be prosecuted for imatating a singer!

I hope Pedar recovers full health as soon as possible.

he should get done for imitating a politican!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on January 11, 2010, 09:52:33 PM
My best wishes to Peadar .
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 11, 2010, 10:24:06 PM
go neiri an bothar le Peader amarach.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 13, 2010, 02:32:23 PM
Heard on radio he had to he leg amputated  >:(  :'(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 13, 2010, 02:44:22 PM
Awful news.


Car bomb officer Peadar Heffron's leg amputated 
 
Constable Peadar Heffron was driving to work when the bomb exploded
A police officer injured in a dissident republican car bomb attack last week has had his right leg amputated.

Constable Peadar Heffron, 33, had surgery on Tuesday and remains critical, but stable.

He was injured when a bomb exploded under his car on the Milltown Road near Randalstown in County Antrim at about 0630 GMT on Friday.

The officer is an Irish language specialist for the PSNI and captain of the PSNI GAA team.

Mr Heffron has been in the police for 10 years and recently married. He is related to a senior Sinn Fein member.

He had been on his way to work at Woodbourne police station in west Belfast.

It is believed Constable Heffron had driven about a mile from his home when the bomb exploded and he was found breathing and conscious but bleeding heavily.

Dissident republicans have been blamed for the attack, but police have not yet said which grouping they believe were behind it.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a spate of bomb attacks across Northern Ireland in the last year.

In October, a dissident group planted a bomb under a policeman's car in east Belfast.

His partner suffered minor injuries in the attack.
 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on January 13, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
if this is the case this is very sad.

I cant understand the logic of these so called freedom fighters.
What actual progress do they actually think their actions are acheiving only the ruining of innocent lives like this mans.

This man will surely be devasted as now he may have to curtail his work commitments in a job he obviuosly loved and will now not be able to play a sport he loved.

My heart really goes out to this poor lad as im sure is the case with alot on this board.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 13, 2010, 02:48:14 PM
Sad news indeed, but very lucky to be alive.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 13, 2010, 03:12:28 PM
Sad news indeed, but very lucky to be alive.

lucky indeed but not out of the woods yet!! he is still critical but stable, but there is a lot of surgery to come, and if i know Peadar, he won't give up the fight!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nifan on January 13, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 13, 2010, 07:53:18 PM
I have heard that this was only the latest of many attacks on Peadar.  Those responsible for it should be ashamed of themselves, his death would not have furthered the cause in any way shape or form as he is a far better Irishman than all of those who planned and executed this cowardly attack on him
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: takeyourownpath on January 13, 2010, 08:00:46 PM
where ever these people got the idea that they are the "real" ira is beyond me. they are nothing but cowards and it's a disgrace that they can do this to their own countrymen.

best wishes to Peadar.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Newbridge Exile on January 14, 2010, 12:31:12 PM
Am keeping Peader in my Prayers at the minute in this difficult time, the mentality of the cowards who carried out this attack both infuriates and saddens me ;are they so naive/ gullible/ stupid / bigoted to believe that what they did will actually achieve anything?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.

What did McCrea do?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 14, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.

What did McCrea do?

McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 14, 2010, 03:23:37 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.

What did McCrea do?

McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'.

 :o

p***k.  >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: delboy on January 14, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
Such a disgraceful waste, someone who obviously wanted to help his community and went about it in a positive way.
I hope he can pull through this time, and i hope someone gives willie mccrea a box for playing his pathetic little game with the name of a man injured trying to do something positive which is more than mccrea will ever do. Hopefully Peader will be strong enough to tell him himself on some occasion.



What did McCrea do?

McCrea got up in the Assembly today to condemn the attack but throughout did not refer to the victim's given name Peadar, instead referring to him as 'Peter'.

Thats a pretty shitty thing to do  >:( its one thing calling bairbre de bruin Barbara Brown or Mrs Brown as a part of the banter across the chamber but the above shows a complete lack of respect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: aontroim on January 14, 2010, 05:21:43 PM
I was watching that and thought the same thing about McCrea at first but then when he said it again it sounded like he was saying Pe-dar in an attempt to pronounce it - prob my imagination though!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 14, 2010, 10:57:26 PM
Is this what we're back to ??



Pipe bomb found at Antrim community centre 
 
A pipe bomb has been found at an Antrim community centre where a GAA team was training, the town's mayor Adrian Watson has claimed.
A security alert was declared after the suspicious device was found outside the community centre on the Stiles estate.

Players from the local GAA club, who were in the centre playing football, were escorted from the premises.

Army technical officers have been called to the scene and the area has been cordoned off
 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on January 15, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
I was watching that and thought the same thing about McCrea at first but then when he said it again it sounded like he was saying Pe-dar in an attempt to pronounce it - prob my imagination though!

I put my earphones on and watched it again via the BBC website. He definitely said Peter  >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 15, 2010, 09:27:05 AM
This is why this part of the world is going no where.

The Mayor of Antrim has expressed his revulsion at the incident.

Adrian Watson said it was a "disgusting attack by mindless thugs who had nothing to offer the community".

"These are young men training in a community centre surrounded by hundreds of homes," he added.

"They have done nothing wrong, bar being members of a GAA club."


This is the view of the supposedly moderate UUP.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 15, 2010, 11:01:44 AM
They have done nothing wrong, bar being members of a GAA club."

The meaning I take from this is that the only reason that they were targeted was that they were members of a GAA club.  No good reason.

On another topic, any word on Peader?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: boojangles on January 15, 2010, 11:05:12 AM
They have done nothing wrong, bar being members of a GAA club."

The meaning I take from this is that the only reason that they were targeted was that they were members of a GAA club.  No good reason.

On another topic, any word on Peader?

Maybe we'r too naive Denn but thats the meaning I took from it too.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 15, 2010, 11:05:49 AM
On another topic, any word on Peader?

haven't heard anything in a day or two Denn, so as the saying goes, no news is good news. i will update the thread when i hear anything more.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on January 15, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
The inference being that they are doing something inherently wrong by neing members of a GAA club in the first place.

They had done nothing wrong 'BAR' so that infers that it is wrong to be a member of the GAA and sends the message out that it really is ok to be targetting us all.

Im not be being too sensitive because this is the same guy who was offended by school children packing bags in tescos in their Jerseys, which they were asked to remove by a spineless manager.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 15, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
Brolly in the Gaelic Life today has a right go at the dissidents.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on January 15, 2010, 04:53:28 PM
guys, got this update this afternoon:

'Doctors are quite pleased with Peadar's progress and while he is he is not out of the woods yet, with his biggest danger now being one of infection, hopefully he will continue to improve.'
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: magickingdom on January 15, 2010, 07:32:25 PM
every day will be better hopefully, hes in my prayers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: comeontheredhands on January 15, 2010, 10:41:26 PM
Brolly in the Gaelic Life today has a right go at the dissidents.
brilliant article by brolly -one of his finest - well put joe
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 15, 2010, 10:47:03 PM
Brolly in the Gaelic Life today has a right go at the dissidents.
brilliant article by brolly -one of his finest - well put joe

Has it been posted or could someone do so?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on January 15, 2010, 10:50:01 PM
Its on the journo write off thread in the GAA section.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Dubh driocht on January 16, 2010, 04:00:01 PM
Every Gael should read Trevor Ringland's letter in today's Irish News.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 16, 2010, 10:54:09 PM
Every Gael should read Trevor Ringland's letter in today's Irish News.
Yes, was a very good letter. Has anyone got access to copy and paste?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Miss Doubtfire on January 17, 2010, 10:22:31 PM
Peadar is still critical, though they said that he is now not the most urgent case in the hospital, which is good news! He is still heavily sedated though the shock when he comes round of losing his leg and some organs will be hard for him. However, on a more positive note, they were able to build him a hip with part of his thigh. It is amazing what can be done in hospitals, so we will just keep hoping and praying that he makes the best possible recovery.

Trevor Ringland's article was excellent!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 18, 2010, 11:33:41 PM



Great comments from Joe Brolly in todays Belfast Telegraph....Sums up exactly how I fell about these faceless cowards who attacked my countryman.



Monday, 18 January 2010

  Top GAA pundit slams dissident bombers

Prominent GAA figure and commentator Joe Brolly has slammed republican terrorists who tried to kill Catholic policeman Peadar Heffron.


In an outspoken newspaper column the ex-Derry football star branded dissident aims to “get rid of British rule” in Northern Ireland as “twaddle”.

The All-Ireland winning player paid tribute to Mr Heffron’s decision to join the PSNI in its fledgling days as he detailed his reaction to news that Mr Heffron had his right leg amputated at the hip following an under-car booby trap attack that has left him fighting for his life.

Mr Brolly, the son of prominent Sinn Fein politicians Francie and Anne Brolly, also told of the criticism he got for playing against the PSNI in a Gaelic match.

He said Mr Heffron is “building the Ireland we want”.

“On the one hand, we have a lad professing Gaelic ideal openly, through the language and games,” he wrote in a hard-hitting column for the Irish Mail.

“On the other, we have a man crawling under a car to try to kill him. Who is the better Irishman?”

PC Heffron — who was targeted by dissidents more than two weeks ago amid crucial policing deal talks between Sinn Fein and DUP — was breathing and awake when the paramedics arrived after the bomb exploded close to his Randalstown home. However, the young Creggan man has since remained unconscious in the Royal Victoria Hospital in Belfast, where his wife Fiona and their families maintain a vigil by his bedside.

In a similar attack late last year, republican dissident terrorists placed a booby-trap device under the passenger seat of a car belonging to the girlfriend of a police officer near his home in east Belfast.

The policeman targeted was on a day off and was not in the car when the blast ripped through the front of the car. His partner was slightly injured in the explosion.

Mr Brolly, a barrister, was a key player in the All-Ireland winning Derry team of 1993. He described Mr Heffron’s injuries as horrific. “His pelvic area was destroyed,” he wrote.

“The flesh and skin from his ruined right leg have been used to help rebuild his mid-section.

“He has been oblivious. He has see-sawed between life and death throughout the week.”

Mr Heffron, who got married just six months ago, joined the PSNI soon after its formation, coming in with the second tranche of new recruits.

He soon became the captain of a newly-established PSNI Gaelic football team.

“His family and extended family are Irish to the bone, politically, socially and culturally,” said TV pundit Brolly.

“Recently, Peadar addressed a policing board meeting in Derry ‘as Gaeilge’. I thought that’s what we all wanted, a police force where people could be what they were and freely express themselves without discrimination.”

Mr Brolly — who played for St Brigid’s (Antrim) against a PSNI team that included Mr Heffron a few years ago — said he hoped the young police officer would make a full recovery and return to work.

“When we played them, he was conspicuous by the ferocity of his play, all heart and soul,” Mr Brolly said.

“I spoke to the chairman of the PSNI club and he said he would not be surprised if he (Peadar) becomes the first Gaelic footballer to take to the field with a prosthetic.”



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/top-gaa-pundit-slams-dissident-bombers-14639156.html#ixzz0d0fOwYqY
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on January 19, 2010, 10:11:47 AM
Well said Joe. Its time the local communities turned on these b**tards and started shopping them left right and centre.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winsamsoon on January 19, 2010, 06:55:03 PM
Fair play to Brolly the most poignant point was the question he posed "who was the better Irishman the coward under the car planting the bomb or Peadar"

I also think the GAA should be playing a bigger role in advertyising this though it is a difficult one to approach without getting labelled with the old political tags again. I was against the PSNI being able to play gaelic games but the GAA as an organisation endorsed it and i have accepted that decision and moved on. These cowards should really take a look at themselves. But it won't be long before these guys are touted on because society doesn't want people like this about.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 19, 2010, 07:00:12 PM
Fair play to Brolly the most poignant point was the question he posed "who was the better Irishman the coward under the car planting the bomb or Peadar"

I also think the GAA should be playing a bigger role in advertyising this
though it is a difficult one to approach without getting labelled with the old political tags again. I was against the PSNI being able to play gaelic games but the GAA as an organisation endorsed it and i have accepted that decision and moved on. These cowards should really take a look at themselves. But it won't be long before these guys are touted on because society doesn't want people like this about.
No no no - the GAA needs to keep out of politics, full stop.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winsamsoon on January 20, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
Whilst i understand your point pints i still think the GAA (as a representative of the community) should be promoting some sort of message that these thugs aren't wanted. But it is a hard one to juggle. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 23, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
Peadar was taken off the ventilator today.  He has regained conciousness and is now aware of the extent of his injuries.  He has spoken with his wife and family.  Very emotional time for him, but a big step forward towards his recovery.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on January 23, 2010, 08:19:15 AM
Peadar was taken off the ventilator today.  He has regained conciousness and is now aware of the extent of his injuries.  He has spoken with his wife and family.  Very emotional time for him, but a big step forward towards his recovery.
Very pleased to hear it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 23, 2010, 09:37:19 AM
Could the GAA or someone organise a charity game to celebrate Peadar's recovery?

Antrim vs Kerry in Casement?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 23, 2010, 03:24:04 PM
Could the GAA or someone organise a charity game to celebrate Peadar's recovery?

Antrim vs Kerry in Casement?

While I'm sure you mean well Denn, that is a no-no. Begs obvous question as to why there weren't charity games for hundreds of other GAA members injured in the Troubles and families of those killed. Can of worms...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on January 23, 2010, 03:31:40 PM
Fair enough. 

Living down south don't really understand or appreciaqte how difficult it can be.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on January 23, 2010, 03:40:09 PM
Still it wouldn't be a no-no for his club to raise funds for him. As I say you always get someone asks why not do it for some other boy before etc...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 24, 2010, 11:04:33 PM
I hear on the Beeb that there has been a gun attack this evening on the Crossmaglen Barracks - has S Armagh fallen out with SF or is it a case of a warning that another hole in the wall is about to be hit in the Square..?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on January 24, 2010, 11:08:30 PM
I hear on the Beeb that there has been a gun attack this evening on the Crossmaglen Barracks - has S Armagh fallen out with SF or is it a case of a warning that another hole in the wall is about to be hit in the Square..?
shots fired at it couple of weeks ago as well. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 25, 2010, 09:14:26 AM
Reports in one of the tabloids this morning that a relative of a top SF official has joined the RIRA - SHOCK, HORROR !!!

Front page news as well !!!   ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on January 27, 2010, 10:30:20 PM
Does anyone know anything about the shooting incident in Derry this evening?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 27, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
Does anyone know anything about the shooting incident in Derry this evening?


Never heard it  ?


What happened ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on February 06, 2010, 02:00:28 PM
Not dissidents but at least another plank removed.  Now CIRA and RIRA have to be shown that there is no place for their activities.

Northern Ireland INLA paramilitaries dump terror cache 

   By Vincent Kearney
BBC NI home affairs correspondent 


 
The INLA has killed more than 120 people over the years
The Irish National Liberation Army has decommissioned its weapons, days before the body overseeing Northern Ireland paramilitary weapons ceases to exist.

The move took place in recent weeks and is expected to be confirmed on Monday by the INLA and General John de Chastelain, head of the IICD.

The INLA was a small, ruthless group which killed more than 120 people, including Tory MP Airey Neave in 1979.

In October, it said it would pursue its aims by exclusively peaceful means.

The republican paramilitary group is believed to have been responsible for 111 murders from its formation in 1975 until its ceasefire in 1998, but it is still thought to have been involved in a number of murders since then.

As recently as February 2009, the INLA claimed responsibility for the murder of a drug dealer in Londonderry.

It came to world prominence in 1979 with the murder of Conservative Northern Ireland spokesman Airey Neave by leaving a bomb under his car in the House of Commons car park.

It was behind one of Northern Ireland's worst atrocities when it killed 17 people in a bomb attack on the Droppin' Well pub in Ballykelly, County Londonderry, in 1982.

The group's political wing, the Irish Republican Socialist Party held a parade in Bray, County Wicklow, four months ago and announced that the organisation had renounced violence.

At present paramilitiaries moving weapons can use a certificate from the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning (IICD) saying they are moving arms from one cache to another to facilitate decomissioning.

On 9 February, the legislation that allows the IICD to operate ends and any weapons found after that date can be forensically tested.

Evidence from this could be used in future court cases and possibly help secure convictions.

Last month the loyalist paramilitary group the Ulster Defence Association also decommissioned.

The government had made it clear to the UDA that after the legislation expired that they would be treated as common criminals that the police would actively seek their weapons.
 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on February 06, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
Not dissidents but at least another plank removed.  Now CIRA and RIRA have to be shown that there is no place for their activities.

Northern Ireland INLA paramilitaries dump terror cache 

   By Vincent Kearney
BBC NI home affairs correspondent 


 
The INLA has killed more than 120 people over the years
The Irish National Liberation Army has decommissioned its weapons, days before the body overseeing Northern Ireland paramilitary weapons ceases to exist.

The move took place in recent weeks and is expected to be confirmed on Monday by the INLA and General John de Chastelain, head of the IICD.

The INLA was a small, ruthless group which killed more than 120 people, including Tory MP Airey Neave in 1979.

In October, it said it would pursue its aims by exclusively peaceful means.

The republican paramilitary group is believed to have been responsible for 111 murders from its formation in 1975 until its ceasefire in 1998, but it is still thought to have been involved in a number of murders since then.

As recently as February 2009, the INLA claimed responsibility for the murder of a drug dealer in Londonderry.

It came to world prominence in 1979 with the murder of Conservative Northern Ireland spokesman Airey Neave by leaving a bomb under his car in the House of Commons car park.

It was behind one of Northern Ireland's worst atrocities when it killed 17 people in a bomb attack on the Droppin' Well pub in Ballykelly, County Londonderry, in 1982.

The group's political wing, the Irish Republican Socialist Party held a parade in Bray, County Wicklow, four months ago and announced that the organisation had renounced violence.

At present paramilitiaries moving weapons can use a certificate from the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning (IICD) saying they are moving arms from one cache to another to facilitate decomissioning.

On 9 February, the legislation that allows the IICD to operate ends and any weapons found after that date can be forensically tested.

Evidence from this could be used in future court cases and possibly help secure convictions.

Last month the loyalist paramilitary group the Ulster Defence Association also decommissioned.

The government had made it clear to the UDA that after the legislation expired that they would be treated as common criminals that the police would actively seek their weapons.



How many millions did they get ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on February 07, 2010, 02:27:46 AM

 
How many millions did they get ???


None, they're not Loyalists!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on February 07, 2010, 05:37:20 PM

 
How many millions did they get ???


None, they're not Loyalists!



Hardly fair that they didn't get a few pound, same as the rest !!   ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on February 23, 2010, 10:20:58 AM
Dissidents blamed for Newry car bomb
 Tuesday, 23 February 2010 09:50


Dissident republicans are being blamed for a car bomb attack at a court in Northern Ireland last night.

Police said it was a 'miracle' no one was injured in the explosion outside Newry courthouse in Co Down shortly after 10.30pm.

The main gates were badly damaged in the explosion, which was within walking distance of restaurants and bars.

AdvertisementPolice were still evacuating the scene when it detonated.

Two coded bomb warnings were received at a local hospital and business around 30 minutes before the device went off.

Police Service of Northern Ireland area commander Chief Inspector Sam Cordiner condemned those responsible.

'It is only by sheer miracle that nobody was killed or injured,' he said.

The vehicle was reversed into the security gates of the court before being abandoned.

The area remained cordoned-off early this morning as British Army bomb disposal experts checked for other devices.

The DUP MLA for Newry and Armagh William Irwin said: 'This was a cowardly action by those who want to drag Northern Ireland back to the past and must be condemned across the community by all those who believe in democracy and oppose terrorism.'

The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

This one actually went off.
Is it a sign of things to come?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 11:14:18 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on February 23, 2010, 11:19:35 AM
PSNI helicopter currently buzzin over Kilwilke.. ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Leo on February 23, 2010, 11:29:57 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.

Yes, and I dont believe there was a bomb in Newry, just a wee squib left over from last Hallowe'en. And I don't believe there was a real bomb in Omagh, or a Pope in Rome, or a clown posting such sh*t as above on this thread.
And the Derrynoose car burned itself out so it did.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JohnDenver on February 23, 2010, 11:39:13 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.

Yes, and I dont believe there was a bomb in Newry, just a wee squib left over from last Hallowe'en. And I don't believe there was a real bomb in Omagh, or a Pope in Rome, or a clown posting such sh*t as above on this thread.
And the Derrynoose car burned itself out so it did.

Baker Bradley!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 23, 2010, 11:56:37 AM
The car bombing came only three days after a failed mortar bomb attack at a police station in the village of Keady, Co Armagh

I don't believe there were any mortars in Keady. I drove by the van at 7.30am on Friday, I had a good look at it and it didn't appear to be weighed down and the arse of it was pointing away from the police station. It took the cops 3 hours to arrive on the scene, conflicting press releases were made, no claims of responsibility were made and the only decided to examine a burned out car in Derrynoose yesterday.


Yes, and I dont believe there was a bomb in Newry, just a wee squib left over from last Hallowe'en. And I don't believe there was a real bomb in Omagh, or a Pope in Rome, or a clown posting such sh*t as above on this thread.

And the Derrynoose car burned itself out so it did.


If you don't believe that the Security forces are capable of fradulent alerts to heighten tensions and fears then you are very naive.

If you don't think that not examining evidence in such a serious matter for 3 days is acceptable then you are worse than naive.

None of that takes away from the fact that the current dissident campaign is utterly pointless and morally reprehensible.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 23, 2010, 12:29:28 PM
WTF are you on about Leo? I'm just highlighting a number of inconsistensies in the psni investigation based on personal observation. What has this to do with Omagh etc? No need for personal insults. p***k
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on February 23, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
I think it was a disgruntled shop owner in Dundalk.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on February 23, 2010, 07:12:44 PM
Quote
THE Official Republican Movement in Newry has been involved in face-to-face talks with loyalist paramilitaries in a bid to bring about a shared and peaceful future, the Democrat can reveal.

Earlier this month the Official IRA announced that they had decommissioned its remaining weapons just hours before the deadline set by John de Chastelain.

The move was facilitated by the ORM and in particular members of the organisation’s Newry branch who were approached by the Official IRA to help deliver the process.

Part of that process saw ORM members involved in ongoing meetings in Newry with loyalists from south Down and neighbouring areas.

Newry ORM spokesperson Wilbur McKevitt said the meetings have been positive and are vital in moving away from the past.

“The initial reason for the meetings was to address issues which have contributed to sectarian attitudes and perceptions that have persisted and continue to lead to a lack of understanding and trust in areas like Newry, south Down and south Armagh and pose a threat to the long-term prospects for peace,” he said.

“We found there is much more in common than there is to divide. It was working-class areas that bore the brunt of more than 35 years of sectarian murder and tit-for-tat killings with Catholic and Protestant communities living in fear of each other while the political elite on both sides fuelled the fear and mistrust by focusing on building a tribal head count for the next election.

“That quality of life of their constituents seemed to matter little with the major emphasis on keeping the other side out.

“All of this mayhem continued while people in these communities struggled to provide a decent living for themselves and for their families.

“These problems were and still are hidden under a sectarianised body politic, but the issues are starting to come to the fore now and hopefully real politics might develop.”

Mr McKevitt said the meetings have already begun to yield tangible results. “We have been on a number of trips together and took people from loyalist paramilitary backgrounds to a GAA match in Croke Park and it wasn’t as intimidating as they were led to believe,” he added.

While Mr McKevitt insisted that the ORM would not be contesting future elections, he said the organisation still has a vital role to play.

“We have no party political aspirations,” he insisted. “The strategy going forward for Official republicans will continue to reflect and emphasise our commitment to the development of a body politic that has moved away from the deeply entrenched sectarianised political system that has defined, driven and dominated politics here for generations. Though as a group we do not have electoral or party political aspirations, we believe that we can use our influence and our unique record of working across traditional boundaries to advocate peaceful, democratic and inclusive progress which benefits the entire community.

“We will continue to promote politics that is focused on the issues that impact upon the quality of life of all who live here.”
 

What did the Stickies decommiission? Rust? There has to be money in this, otherwise the Sticks wouldnt be anywhere near it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on February 23, 2010, 07:29:50 PM
Wrong wing Trevor, PLC still have their guns.  It's ORM who decommissioned
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 23, 2010, 07:30:59 PM
Quote
    THE Official Republican Movement in Newry has been involved in face-to-face talks with loyalist paramilitaries in a bid to bring about a shared and peaceful future, the Democrat can reveal.

WTF
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 23, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
Quote
    THE Official Republican Movement in Newry has been involved in face-to-face talks with loyalist paramilitaries in a bid to bring about a shared and peaceful future, the Democrat can reveal.

WTF
A grant will be involved somewhere.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on February 23, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
The thing I don't fully understand is how these dissident groups still exist.  From what I can tell the ordinary working class family don't support them.
Why doesn't anyone stand up to them? Why don't these "officials" put them out of the towns?

The majority of people know who they are - I am in America now about 5 years and I can rhyme off the majority of them in Armagh town.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on February 25, 2010, 09:22:43 AM
Can they be blamed for everything ?


Man found shot dead in Derry
Thursday, 25 February 2010 08:48
A man has been found shot dead on the outskirts of Derry.

Local reports have said that the man had apparently been shot twice in the head.

The semi-clothed body was found last night on the Braehead Road close to the border on the road to Letterkenny.

AdvertisementIt is believed that a passing motorist saw what he believed to be a body and raised the alarm.

The victim is thought to have been in his late 30s but has not yet been identified.

There is no indication as to why the man was shot or when the shooting took place.

The area was cordoned off by the PSNI and they have appealed for information.

Mark Durkan of the SDLP condemned the killing and said people would be disgusted and appalled at what he called a 'brutal and crude murder'.

Sinn Féin MLA Martina Anderson yesterday said 'the vast majority of people in Derry would absolutely condemn what has happened here in their city this evening'.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Yes I Would on February 27, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0227/armagh.html

Useless c***ts.. How hard can it be to at least hit the building!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on February 27, 2010, 10:24:42 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0227/armagh.html

Useless c***ts.. How hard can it be to at least hit the building!!
I hate to be the one to tell you this, they are useless c***ts because they are even trying to hit the building with a mortar.  Thanks be to God there are no injuries or worse this time
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on March 19, 2010, 11:19:40 PM
I have it on good authority that the Brits have called Obama, Cowen and Robinson tonight to tell them that they intend to withdraw from the Six Counties as from April 1st. The final straw it seems was the spate of bogus bomb alerts in Derry and Belfast today which it seems has caused consternations in the City of London with many multi-national banks indicating that they will sell up and move to the Far East if England don't "sort it out". It seems that the freedom of Ireland has been won by two unemployed men with balaclavas who hijacked a bus in Ladybrook today - and credit must go to the guy with the stolen mobile in Andytown who phoned through the other bogus calls throughout Belfast. People caught up in the traffic chaos today were naturally thankful to the freedom fighters who ruined many family dinners with their brave actions from a safe and silly distance. One man said: this is pissing me off, but fair play to these boys as the Brits are shiteing themselves now! More to follow but there are rumours that the UN are on their way to Belfast as the situation deteriorates and traffic is at a go-slow!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on March 20, 2010, 02:10:58 AM
I have it on good authority that the Brits have called Obama, Cowen and Robinson tonight to tell them that they intend to withdraw from the Six Counties as from April 1st. The final straw it seems was the spate of bogus bomb alerts in Derry and Belfast today which it seems has caused consternations in the City of London with many multi-national banks indicating that they will sell up and move to the Far East if England don't "sort it out". It seems that the freedom of Ireland has been won by two unemployed men with balaclavas who hijacked a bus in Ladybrook today - and credit must go to the guy with the stolen mobile in Andytown who phoned through the other bogus calls throughout Belfast. People caught up in the traffic chaos today were naturally thankful to the freedom fighters who ruined many family dinners with their brave actions from a safe and silly distance. One man said: this is pissing me off, but fair play to these boys as the Brits are shiteing themselves now! More to follow but there are rumours that the UN are on their way to Belfast as the situation deteriorates and traffic is at a go-slow!!!

:D :D :D

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jen Cui on March 20, 2010, 04:27:08 AM
Any hole??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 20, 2010, 10:18:23 AM
Its all over, the Brits have had enough. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8577172.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on March 20, 2010, 10:42:13 AM
I presume these lads regard themselves, in the traditional fashion, as the lawful government of Ireland. In that case, I was wondering where's their passport office? The Mrs can't get a passport off the crowd who are supposed to be temporarily running the country because they're on a "go-slow", so where should she apply for Real Passport?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: longrunsthefox on March 20, 2010, 10:55:14 AM
Why do people who claim to want to unite Ireland stop the flow of traffic and rail commuters up and down the country?... partitionists... and on  a weekend an All Ireland team is representing every tradition on the island...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trevor Hill on March 20, 2010, 10:59:55 AM
I presume these lads regard themselves, in the traditional fashion, as the lawful government of Ireland. In that case, I was wondering where's their passport office? The Mrs can't get a password off the crowd who are supposed to be temporarily running the country because they're on a "go-slow", so where should she apply for Real Passport?

Tell her to send an email to newpasswrords@rira.co.uk they will then reset her password  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on March 20, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
I presume these lads regard themselves, in the traditional fashion, as the lawful government of Ireland. In that case, I was wondering where's their passport office? The Mrs can't get a password off the crowd who are supposed to be temporarily running the country because they're on a "go-slow", so where should she apply for Real Passport?

Tell her to send an email to newpasswrords@rira.co.uk they will then reset her password  ;D

Arra feck. It's that kind of a week.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2010, 01:57:12 PM
What a crowd of arseholes. Celebrated Easter by stencilling CIRA and burning out a skip lorry in Umgola. Was supposed to get the train this morning but the tramps in Kilwilkee called in a bomb warning on the line. Heroes all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on April 13, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
 Suspect car left at police gates in Newtownhamilton  (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8616922.stm)
 
Army technical officers are dealing with a suspicious device left in Newtownhamilton in County Armagh.

SDLP MLA for the area Dominic Bradley said he understood a car had been abandoned in Shambles Lane, close to the police station.

Up to 60 houses were evacuated in Newry Street and the Commons area of the village.

The alert began at about 0200 BST. Dozens of residents were moved to Newtownhamilton High School.

Mr Bradley said there were similarities to bombs left by dissident republicans which exploded in Newry in February and close to MI5's Northern Ireland headquarters in Holywood, County Down on Monday.

"It seems as if this incident has a similar modus operandi to that used at Newry courthouse and Palace Barracks in that a suspect vehicle has been left at the gates of the police station," he said.

"Newtownhamilton is quite a large, heavily-fortified station. If it were to explode it would do negligible harm to the actual police station but would be more harmful for other buildings nearby."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:22:51 AM
Vehicle explodes at PSNI station

There has been an explosion outside a police station in Newtownhamilton, County Armagh.

The explosion happened at about 2325 BST on Thursday.

Police were made aware that a vehicle had been abandoned when a call was made to a Belfast hospital at 2230 BST. Police were enroute to the station when the explosion happened.

There are no reports of any injuries. Fire crews are at the scene, and have evacuated residents from their homes.

Last week the army defused a car bomb outside the town's police station.

Earlier on Thursday security sources told the BBC the threat posed by dissident republicans has risen to the highest level in 12 years.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on April 23, 2010, 12:29:07 AM
The target they wanted was University of Ulster Belfast. Mary McAleese was giving a wee talk tonight. It seemed that every peeler in the Greater Belfast area was there to 'protect' her. York St was crawling with the cnuts. A tad OTT.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:31:15 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on April 23, 2010, 12:34:23 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.
Surely she would be happy enough to fall alongside the hundred odd peelers......
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on April 23, 2010, 12:35:29 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.

Did you vote for her Ziggy? The first time I mean as she was unapposed the second time.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 12:40:06 AM
Why would they target Mary McAleese? She's our President.

Did you vote for her Ziggy? The first time I mean as she was unapposed the second time.

I was denied a vote  :P
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on April 23, 2010, 08:08:21 AM
I was denied a vote  :P

Suppose ye would have voted for Dana anyway ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on April 23, 2010, 08:44:24 AM
Didn't hear it on the Ormeau.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on April 23, 2010, 09:36:48 AM
all very quiet in Glengormley as well
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on April 23, 2010, 12:13:27 PM
I see the dissidents have really hit the brits were it hurts by injuring a woman in her 80's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8638902.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on April 23, 2010, 12:17:48 PM
I see the dissidents have really hit the brits were it hurts by injuring a woman in her 80's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8638902.stm
Where does it say she is a brit?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on April 23, 2010, 12:24:07 PM
I see the dissidents have really hit the brits were it hurts by injuring a woman in her 80's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8638902.stm
Where does it say she is a brit?
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It doesn't, just highlights the stupidity of these attacks.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on April 27, 2010, 01:21:40 PM
Some better news. Peadar has been sitting up on the end of the bed and has some feeling in his leg. They're working on the lower bit at the moment but he's in good form. Visiting is still restricted because of the ongoing risk with infections. Keep him in your thoughts/prayers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on April 27, 2010, 03:34:42 PM
Some better news. Peadar has been sitting up on the end of the bed and has some feeling in his leg. They're working on the lower bit at the moment but he's in good form. Visiting is still restricted because of the ongoing risk with infections. Keep him in your thoughts/prayers.

Terrific news stpauls. Hopefully Peadar will continue on his road to recovery and will be up and about in no time.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stpauls on April 27, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
Some better news. Peadar has been sitting up on the end of the bed and has some feeling in his leg. They're working on the lower bit at the moment but he's in good form. Visiting is still restricted because of the ongoing risk with infections. Keep him in your thoughts/prayers.

Terrific news stpauls. Hopefully Peadar will continue on his road to recovery and will be up and about in no time.

there are a couple of guys on the PSNI team running the marathon on Monday to raise funds to take Peadar and his wife to New York next year. the PSNI are playing the NYPD and they hope to bring them over for the game, god willing that he is fit enough to be able to travel!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on April 28, 2010, 03:15:57 PM
I hope the PSNI get a good reception at the game - I will go up myself and support the game.

You will find that a lot of ex-pats politics lean more towards Republican as they spend less and less time in Ireland.  Theres also the "Irish" Americans to contend with.....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 05, 2010, 12:22:18 AM
Explosion at Lurgan barracks?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on May 05, 2010, 12:23:37 AM
Pipe bomb apparently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 05, 2010, 12:25:26 AM
Get the brits back to sort this out.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on May 05, 2010, 12:30:50 AM
I heard it and I'm in Omagh!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 08:27:58 AM
Fcuk me, the place is being done up and they do this. have they no shame? ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 05, 2010, 08:55:28 AM
Fcuk me, the place is being done up and they do this. have they no shame? ;)
Lurgan is being done up? Is there enough money in the world?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 09:02:33 AM
Tony, come and see for yourself. Be prepared for traffic jams and nowhere to park. :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 05, 2010, 09:09:48 AM
Tony, come and see for yourself. Be prepared for traffic jams and nowhere to park. :)
Any time I'm through Lurgan the cars on that big main street are just abandoned rather than parked! Is that the bit they are doing up?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 05, 2010, 09:40:05 AM
I heard it and I'm in Omagh!

I live in Lurgan and didn't hear it :o FFS i've done more damage with farts than that stupid thing they threw at the cop shop ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 05, 2010, 09:40:44 AM
Not a sound in Cork.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 05, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
Fcuk me, the place is being done up and they do this. have they no shame? ;)
Lurgan is being done up? Is there enough money in the world?

Tony that we pipe bomb is part of phase 2 of our public realm works...lol
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on May 05, 2010, 10:08:39 AM
Not a sound in Glengormley
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on May 05, 2010, 12:31:14 PM
The only damage I noticed was a broken window at the top of North St. in the solicitors office.
Their aim must have been bad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winsamsoon on May 05, 2010, 03:38:11 PM
The damage to the solicitors was caused by the crowds running up for claims lol
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: take_yer_points on May 05, 2010, 04:23:42 PM
This could be elsewhere in the thread but there's a lot to read through to try and find it.

I see there's 7 people arrested today on suspicion of dissident activity. What percentage of the total number of the dissident group(s) do you think this would account for? I was just wondering on what number of people anyone thinks would be involved in this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 05, 2010, 04:50:55 PM
This could be elsewhere in the thread but there's a lot to read through to try and find it.

I see there's 7 people arrested today on suspicion of dissident activity. What percentage of the total number of the dissident group(s) do you think this would account for? I was just wondering on what number of people anyone thinks would be involved in this.

It's a clumsy way of looking at it TYP. Most likely the groupings have a small core of full time activists, supplemented by others on the fringes, others who will supply support materials, others who give information, others political support, other general hangers on and of course all their close relations.

The PSNI may find it useful to lift and question persons from one or more of the loose categories and piece their intelligence infomation. So even though 7 were arrested they could me mostly sympathisers or hangers-on in which case it would be a completely insignificant number when taken from their complete support base (prob 3k-4k in the north) or on the other hand if they are hard core players it could be significant (I'd guess 50-150).
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: take_yer_points on May 05, 2010, 07:59:22 PM
This could be elsewhere in the thread but there's a lot to read through to try and find it.

I see there's 7 people arrested today on suspicion of dissident activity. What percentage of the total number of the dissident group(s) do you think this would account for? I was just wondering on what number of people anyone thinks would be involved in this.

It's a clumsy way of looking at it TYP. Most likely the groupings have a small core of full time activists, supplemented by others on the fringes, others who will supply support materials, others who give information, others political support, other general hangers on and of course all their close relations.

The PSNI may find it useful to lift and question persons from one or more of the loose categories and piece their intelligence infomation. So even though 7 were arrested they could me mostly sympathisers or hangers-on in which case it would be a completely insignificant number when taken from their complete support base (prob 3k-4k in the north) or on the other hand if they are hard core players it could be significant (I'd guess 50-150).

Cheers Ulick - I often wondered approximate numbers
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 14, 2010, 06:36:08 PM
Entered a house in west Belfast last night. Claimed they had the man's daughter. Told him they were going to shoot her if he didn't give them his guns (I think he does clay pigeon shooting). Got the guns. Cleared off. Didn't have his daughter. Didn't shoot her.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on May 15, 2010, 09:01:24 AM
Was this the incident hs?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8682151.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8682151.stm)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 15, 2010, 02:27:25 PM
Was this the incident hs?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8682151.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8682151.stm)
Yip.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 17, 2010, 01:12:53 PM
Blast bomb thrown at peelers in Kilwilkie in Lurgan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 17, 2010, 03:40:46 PM
Blast bomb thrown at peelers in Kilwilkie in Lurgan.

Thats what they get for wakening them lads up before noon :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on May 17, 2010, 04:07:15 PM
Blast bomb thrown at peelers in Kilwilkie in Lurgan.

Thats what they get for wakening them lads up before noon :D

 :D :D :D


Blast bombs are thrown at police in Lurgan 
 
Two blast bombs and up to seven petrol bombs have been thrown at police dealing with a security alert in Lurgan, County Armagh.

A number of other missiles have been thrown at the scene of the alert in Lake Street. Six police officers suffered minor injuries.

Earlier a number of houses were evacuated due to the alert, which has now been declared a hoax.

Police have advised people to avoid the area.

Train services have now returned to normal after being disrupted by the alert.

Police said a hard core of about ten people orchestrated a crowd of up to thirty during the trouble.

The injuries suffered by the officers are understood to include ringing in the ears after the blast bombs were thrown.

One of the bombs was thrown over the roof of a house which police described as "completely indiscriminate" as those who threw the bomb could not have known who was going to be in the area where it landed.
 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 17, 2010, 06:15:11 PM
When they say "blast bombs", what are we talking about here - vinegar and baking soda/ bathroom cleaner and tin foil in a plastic bottle? That'll certainly cause some eh... sore ears. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 22, 2010, 10:15:07 PM
Gardaí foil major dissident bomb operation
Saturday, 22 May 2010 21:17
Two men have been arrested after gardaí foiled a major dissident bombing operation this evening.

Armed gardaí led by detectives from Dundalk raided a premises at Mountpleasant, north of the town on the old Newry Road at around 7pm.

Two men, in their 30s and 50s, were found working on a trailer.

AdvertisementTwo six foot gas cylinders were discovered inside the covered trailer. They had been modified with their tops cut off and it is understood they were being prepared for a bombing operation across the border.

It is not clear if the cylinders were to be used as improvised mortars to launch an attack at a target or whether they were to be used as a large bomb.

The two men were arrested at the scene and have both been taken to Drogheda Garda Station.

The area is sealed off as Garda forensic experts examine the area and the equipment found.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 22, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.

On a related note I was quite pleased with the bit of work I did today. The 7 month old is starting to crawl and stand so I got a 55 gallon drum, cut it in half, cleaned her up, lined the inside with upholstery foam and rubber. Now the wee man can hold onto the sides as he stands up and looks around - and can't crawl into any bother. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2010, 11:38:19 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.

On a related note I was quite pleased with the bit of work I did today. The 7 month old is starting to crawl and stand so I got a 55 gallon drum, cut it in half, cleaned her up, lined the inside with upholstery foam and rubber. Now the wee man can hold onto the sides as he stands up and looks around - and can't crawl into any bother.
Youll need to let him out at some stage if you want him to walk. That's free advice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 23, 2010, 12:05:14 AM
Youll need to let him out at some stage if you want him to walk. That's free advice.

Waiting till we get into the new house, too many sharp edges in this one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 11:53:20 AM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.
The two men arrested were found working on the cylinders - caught red handed going by the RTE report. I'd imagine the Gardai didn't stumble across this on the off-chance.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 23, 2010, 07:28:41 PM
One of the men arrested is a son of Colm Murphy, who was cleared after retrial in connection with the Omagh bomb.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 23, 2010, 07:37:12 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!

Haven't head anything as flimsy since the story of my mother and her sisters getting lifted in the 50's for storing biscuit tins. Somebody in the Garda press office is earning their money tonight.
The two men arrested were found working on the cylinders - caught red handed going by the RTE report. I'd imagine the Gardai didn't stumble across this on the off-chance.


These dissident lads are wasting their time - they're totally infiltrated.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on May 23, 2010, 08:50:40 PM
No doubt about there is a mole in their ranks


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on May 23, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
There was a small group Behind the goals at Casement today holding up a big banner for 'Republican POWs'. It was good to see the stewards intervene after about 15 seconds.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 23, 2010, 11:05:07 PM
Two peeler jeeps went down the Glen Road with Antrim flags attached to their windows.

How nice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 23, 2010, 11:20:30 PM
Two peeler jeeps went down the Glen Road with Antrim flags attached to their windows.

How nice.

Saw a policeman coming out of a shop beside Casement this morning with a newspaper and a bottle of coke. They were putting out the cones at the time. Times have changed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 23, 2010, 11:54:31 PM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!
Correction: two six foot gas cylinders with their tops sawn off, attached to a covered trailer.

What do you reckon they were making? A set of giant mobile flower pots?  ::)

Meanwhile, in other news, the entire population of Ireland was today declared to be made up of total feckin idiots, bar two people calling themselves "Ulick" and "Donagh"... :o
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 12:02:58 AM
There could be a prefectly innocent explanation as to why they were cutting the tops off gas bottles and welding them to a trailer. The two lads are just waiting on their solicitors to tell give them an explanation. Meanwhile they are saying nothing, which would be a first for that organisation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 12:17:34 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?
Who knows? It might  be hard to prove some sort of a criminal offence in Court on the back of what was found.

I'd still be interested to know what they were  doing, mind.

Because my first instinct was that they may have been preparing some sort of bomb, and I wouldn't like to be thought an idiot by Donagh Ulick...

P.S. It wouldn't have been some sort of elaborate child-minding device for unveiling at the next episode of "Dragons Den"? Or a new design for a biscuit tin?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:24:59 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?
Who knows? It might  be hard to prove some sort of a criminal offence in Court on the back of what was found.

I'd still be interested to know what they were  doing, mind.

Because my first instinct was that they may have been preparing some sort of bomb, and I wouldn't like to be thought an idiot by Donagh Ulick...

P.S. It wouldn't have been some sort of elaborate child-minding device for unveiling at the next episode of "Dragons Den"? Or a new design for a biscuit tin?
Testing cheating methods for the Guider race in the west Belfast festival.

They'll never get done for this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 12:31:13 AM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?
Who knows? It might  be hard to prove some sort of a criminal offence in Court on the back of what was found.

I'd still be interested to know what they were  doing, mind.

Because my first instinct was that they may have been preparing some sort of bomb, and I wouldn't like to be thought an idiot by Donagh Ulick...

P.S. It wouldn't have been some sort of elaborate child-minding device for unveiling at the next episode of "Dragons Den"? Or a new design for a biscuit tin?
Testing cheating methods for the Guider race in the west Belfast festival.

They'll never get done for this.
Has the Republic done away with that law* which said that people could be locked up for terrorist offences on the word of a senior Gardai officer?

* - I'm paraphrasing, obviously
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on May 24, 2010, 12:35:30 AM
Let's see....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 09:44:53 AM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!
Correction: two six foot gas cylinders with their tops sawn off, attached to a covered trailer.

What do you reckon they were making? A set of giant mobile flower pots?  ::)

Meanwhile, in other news, the entire population of Ireland was today declared to be made up of total feckin idiots, bar two people calling themselves "Ulick" and "Donagh"... :o

I do a lot of work for a company that designs and builds trailers so I can think of any number of reasons why one might fix a couple of cylinders to one.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 11:27:55 AM
My goodness major bomb operation foiled after two empty cylinders are discovered!
Correction: two six foot gas cylinders with their tops sawn off, attached to a covered trailer.

What do you reckon they were making? A set of giant mobile flower pots?  ::)

Meanwhile, in other news, the entire population of Ireland was today declared to be made up of total feckin idiots, bar two people calling themselves "Ulick" and "Donagh"... :o

I do a lot of work for a company that designs and builds trailers so I can think of any number of reasons why one might fix a couple of cylinders to one.
So tell me (assuming the Press Reports are accurate), why do you  think these two particular individuals were fixing sawn-off 6 foot gas cylinders to a covered trailer in a shed two miles from the border with Northern Ireland?

Preparing a novel kind of Ice Cream Van for Downpatrick Races? A stage set for the Irish Eurovision entry? Their contribution to the Co.Louth Space Exploration Programme?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
They were definitely preparing a bomb,  but it was in the early stages. The Gardai look to have jumped in too soon, but if they had waited they may have lost it (again), so it is wrong to be too critical. Sadly both these men will be back on the streets within days.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:13:54 PM
So tell me (assuming the Press Reports are accurate), why do you  think these two particular individuals were fixing sawn-off 6 foot gas cylinders to a covered trailer in a shed two miles from the border with Northern Ireland?


I didn't say I knew what they were doing, I said the evidence was extremely flimsy. There are any number of reasons they may have welded a few cylinders onto a trailer, the most obvious being to weigh down the trailer so it isn't blown over - the 'cover' consisting of two advertisement hoardings fixed in an apex, which would catch the wind. So if the trailer, looks like a mobile advertisement it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it actually is a mobile advertisement - off which there are quite a lot in that part of the country.

Now I'm no expect but I've watched enough IRA propaganda videos to know that yes gas cylinders (certainly not 6ft long though) have been used for mortars, but as part of the charge, not the launching tube. The reports of this say that the cylinders were fixed onto the trailer which would only make them only useful as the launching tube.

Common sense would also tell you that a small trailer such as this one would be no good for a mortar as the kick back on the first launch would move the trailer so far that the aiming for the second would be way off. If they were simply to be used as a bomb casing, then where is the rest of the bomb - surely the common sense thing to do would be to build the bomb first and then fix it to the trailer.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on May 24, 2010, 12:21:08 PM
You tell them Ulick saan ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 12:47:07 PM
Surely the common sense thing for the gardai to do would have been to wait and see if it really was a bomb. After it went off there'd be no doubt, would there? And then they'd have the two lads bang to rights. Stupid cops, interfering with peacable citizens building mobile advertisements.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
Surely the common sense thing for the gardai to do would have been to wait and see if it really was a bomb. After it went off there'd be no doubt, would there? And then they'd have the two lads bang to rights. Stupid cops, interfering with peacable citizens building mobile advertisements.

No the common sense thing would be to build a case before putting out all sorts of of nonsense about a "bomb factory" or maybe we have dispensed with the presumption of innocence?

This kind of carry-on reminds me of the stuff that was going on in Donegal a few years ago, except the Gards there at least had the sense to make their finds actually look like bomb making materials.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 12:57:07 PM
It does all sound a bit like the A-Team  :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:08:05 PM
I didn't say I knew what they were doing, I said the evidence was extremely flimsy. There are any number of reasons they may have welded a few cylinders onto a trailer, the most obvious being to weigh down the trailer so it isn't blown over - the 'cover' consisting of two advertisement hoardings fixed in an apex, which would catch the wind. So if the trailer, looks like a mobile advertisement it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it actually is a mobile advertisement - off which there are quite a lot in that part of the country.
Jeez, that's prime bullshit, even by your standards, Donagh Ulick.

I didn't ask you what they were doing. Rather, in the light of your self-professed expertise in trailers etc, I was inviting you to speculate on what they might   have been doing. After all, you claimed that it might have been explained by "any number of reasons".

Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

Now I'm no expect but I've watched enough IRA propaganda videos to know that yes gas cylinders (certainly not 6ft long though) have been used for mortars, but as part of the charge, not the launching tube. The reports of this say that the cylinders were fixed onto the trailer which would only make them only useful as the launching tube.

Common sense would also tell you that a small trailer such as this one would be no good for a mortar as the kick back on the first launch would move the trailer so far that the aiming for the second would be way off. If they were simply to be used as a bomb casing, then where is the rest of the bomb - surely the common sense thing to do would be to build the bomb first and then fix it to the trailer.
"Common sense"?

If you weren't so determined to try to prove otherwise, the only thing "common sense" would tell you is that these were two nasty, evil c u n t s who caught red-handed whilst preparing a murderous atrocity against fellow Irish men, women and maybe children somewhere nearby.

Or fixing up a trailer to advertise a local shop... ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:20:16 PM
This kind of carry-on reminds me of the stuff that was going on in Donegal a few years ago, except the Gards there at least had the sense to make their finds actually look like bomb making materials.
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:20:31 PM
Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

You've already answered that yourself - to use as ballast e.g. fill with sand.

If you weren't so determined to try to prove otherwise, the only thing "common sense" would tell you is that these were two nasty, evil c u n t s who caught red-handed whilst preparing a murderous atrocity against fellow Irish men, women and maybe children somewhere nearby.

As requested, I have presented a plausible explanation as to why they might have fixed two cylinders to a trailer and raised questions as to why they wouldn't be suitable for explosive devices. You have presented nothing other than bigotry and bile. Now they may have been preparing a device or they may not have been preparing one, but we're all thankful the likes of you will have no say in adjudicating on the evidence.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:21:59 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
There were no bombs, they were (wait for it) mobile advertisements :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:27:47 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
There were no bombs, they were (wait for it) mobile advertisements :D

Was there, how do you know?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
The subtle difference this time is that the t**ts were caught with the bombs sorry makeshift trailers.

So where are the bombs then?
There were no bombs, they were (wait for it) mobile advertisements :D

Was there, how do you know?
Apologies, you are right - in fact you are never wrong.  This was a totally innocent promotional activity interuppted by those dastardly guards. Leave the entrepeneurs of Dundalk alone as they go about their day to day business.
I accept you were right all along and this is a totally innocent venture.

Yours in dreamland,
Doogie Browser.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:36:53 PM
Apologies, you are right - in fact you are never wrong.  This was a totally innocent promotional activity interuppted by those dastardly guards. Leave the entrepeneurs of Dundalk alone as they go about their day to day business.
I accept you were right all along and this is a totally innocent venture.

Yours in dreamland,
Doogie Browser.

I'm very often wrong, in fact I was wrong only yesterday about the game, but if you ever gather the balls to engage in a mature discussion do feel free to drop back again.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on May 24, 2010, 01:40:55 PM
Apologies, you are right - in fact you are never wrong.  This was a totally innocent promotional activity interuppted by those dastardly guards. Leave the entrepeneurs of Dundalk alone as they go about their day to day business.
I accept you were right all along and this is a totally innocent venture.

Yours in dreamland,
Doogie Browser.

I'm very often wrong, in fact I was wrong only yesterday about the game, but if you ever gather the balls to engage in a mature discussion do feel free to drop back again.
Mature debate and Ulick is the best oxymoron I have ever encountered. 
Balls is an apt word for you to choose because fankly your contribution to this thread has been in a word - balls.  Blinded is another word. Blinkered another.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 01:43:16 PM
Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

You've already answered that yourself - to use as ballast e.g. fill with sand.

As requested, I have presented a plausible explanation as to why they might have fixed two cylinders to a trailer
You claimed to know "any number of [possible] reasons why etc". Ballast is just one, and constructed on, ahem, sand, at that. What are your other possible explanations (unless by "any number", you meant "any number so long as it is 'one'")

You have presented nothing other than bigotry and bile.
"bigotry"? Yeah, right.  ::)

But I'll give you "bile" all right, since I think that that is entirely appropriate for those vermin who participate in despicable terrorism of the type which the Republic's Government and Police Force feel they have thwarted on this occasion.

Now they may have been preparing a device or they may not have been preparing one, but we're all thankful the likes of you will have no say in adjudicating on the evidence.
And we should all be bloody thankful that an apologist like you has no say in the fight to counter the activities of the savages who are doing their damnest to terrorise the rest of us into acceding to their will.

But I guess holding that view makes me a "bigot", too...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:43:42 PM
Mature debate and Ulick is the best oxymoron I have ever encountered. 
Balls is an apt word for you to choose because fankly your contribution to this thread has been in a word - balls.  Blinded is another word. Blinkered another.

Now you've got the little hyperbolic rant out of the way would you care to engage with anything specific or are you still looking for those balls?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 01:45:13 PM
Yet when it came to it, the only explanation you are offering is that the cylinders might have being used as ballast. Which prompts the question as to why they would have sawn the top off the cylinders, thereby detracting from their value as, ahem, gas cylinders? Or if the cylinders were too long, wouldn't it have been quicker/easier/cheaper just to have used two shorter cylinders?

You've already answered that yourself - to use as ballast e.g. fill with sand.

As requested, I have presented a plausible explanation as to why they might have fixed two cylinders to a trailer
You claimed to know "any number of [possible] reasons why etc". Ballast is just one, and constructed on, ahem, sand, at that. What are your other possible explanations (unless by "any number", you meant "any number so long as it is 'one'")

You have presented nothing other than bigotry and bile.
"bigotry"? Yeah, right.  ::)

But I'll give you "bile" all right, since I think that that is entirely appropriate for those vermin who participate in despicable terrorism of the type which the Republic's Government and Police Force feel they have thwarted on this occasion.

Now they may have been preparing a device or they may not have been preparing one, but we're all thankful the likes of you will have no say in adjudicating on the evidence.
And we should all be bloody thankful that an apologist like you has no say in the fight to counter the activities of the savages who are doing their damnest to terrorise the rest of us into acceding to their will.

But I guess holding that view makes me a "bigot", too...

I have already presented one plausible explanation which you have not been able to refute, so I have no intention of wasting my time on others.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:02:57 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:04:50 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:11:45 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 02:17:25 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)

So have you finished with the 'bomb factory' now?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 24, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)

So have you finished with the 'bomb factory' now?
Just so long as you've finished with your 'trailer park'...

Anyhow, I'm getting mighty confused. Who is this I'm debating with?

"SF Donagh" or "eirige Ulick"?  ???
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on May 24, 2010, 03:03:17 PM
I have already presented one implausible explanation, I have no other explanations of any sort.
Fixed that for ya

No you didn't, you tried to wisecrack your way out of a discussion where you got your ass kicked. You can run along now, nobody cares anyway.
Yeah, "ass kicked" indeed.

Which must explain why there are so many posters queueing up to support your hypothesis and so few to support my scepticism.

You know, you're nearly as funny as that joker "Donagh" who used to post on here. I wonder whatever happened to him? Must have run along one day, when he realised that nobody cared...  ::)

So have you finished with the 'bomb factory' now?

might be like Annie Maguire's bomb factory ::)never existed
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
It's a toughie OK. Homemade bomb or mobile ad? I can't make my mind up. S'pose I'll have to rely on the guards being right after their surveillance operation. I know, I know. They've been wrong before. They've been worse than wrong on occasion.

But I'd be willing to wait and find out, rather than knee-jerk my way over to the side of any piece of pond scum that applies the word "Republican" to itself. I'm embarrassed, really, to find myself part of the 99.99% of people who would be on the side of the guards in this debate.

Call me deluded if you like, but in my simple world it's actually a good thing to intercept bombs or potential bombs or even things that mightn't be potential bombs at all but "mobile advertisements" before there's even a chance of their being used to tear human flesh and limbs apart.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:03:40 PM
But I'd be willing to wait and find out, rather than knee-jerk my way over to the side of any piece of pond scum that applies the word "Republican" to itself. I'm embarrassed, really, to find myself part of the 99.99% of people who would be on the side of the guards in this debate.


Is that not exactly the position I have been putting forward? However the press releases that have come out since this raid have been nothing more than one big "knee-jerk" and as you seem to support them, is this not at odds with your "wait and find out" policy?

Where did you get the bit about the "surveillance operation"? I didn't see that in any of the press releases? For all we know it was a tip-off or maybe Mrs Murphy down the road complaining about noise.

Either way, relying on a trailer and two acetylene cylinders in a workshop or shed as evidence of a "bomb factory" is pretty dangerous territory. In fact, I've got a trailer and a few of those cylinders in my own garage - should I expect to be lifted and have my reputation ruined the next time the neighbours wonder why I'm cutting up oil drums in the middle of the night?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 05:18:00 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 24, 2010, 05:19:47 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.


In which case, they're already on to you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 05:31:05 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 24, 2010, 06:05:43 PM
Did the Gardaí rush the goalie? They were found (messing about) with 2 empty gas bottles and a trailer. It'd be hard to prove that they were up to no good, surely?

Maybe they did but hey if it stopped a bomb.  Also I guess the trail that led the guards to them might tell a story too.  I doubt the guards are yet at the stage of raiding random workshops to retro-fit cases.

Either way they might think that having to let these guys go and so stopping a crime is better than leaving things go for the sake of waiting for a better case and then losing them?

I haven't noticed any massive groundswell against the boys in blue in the media or anything that would give a motive for some kind of fit up and the operation seems too big to be local lads settling a score.

The balance of probabilities here suggests these guys were up to no good.

/Jim.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 06:20:38 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?

My turn not to lose any sleep worrying about that.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
Have we found a republican Willie Frazer on this thread?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Down South on May 24, 2010, 06:38:30 PM
The latest report from the Independent Monitoring Commission will describe the threat posed by dissident advertising trailer makers as "significant and severe", according to Justice Minister Dermot Ahern.

The Minister said advertising trailer groups were expanding their capabilities and becoming more adept at trailer-making.

The latest IMC report was compiled before gardaí in Dundalk disovered a trailer factory over the weekend.

Two people are still being questioned in relation to the find.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 06:50:52 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?

My turn not to lose any sleep worrying about that.

The Free State is still alive and well south of the border then.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2010, 07:04:19 PM
But I'd be willing to wait and find out, rather than knee-jerk my way over to the side of any piece of pond scum that applies the word "Republican" to itself. I'm embarrassed, really, to find myself part of the 99.99% of people who would be on the side of the guards in this debate.


Is that not exactly the position I have been putting forward? However the press releases that have come out since this raid have been nothing more than one big "knee-jerk" and as you seem to support them, is this not at odds with your "wait and find out" policy?

Where did you get the bit about the "surveillance operation"? I didn't see that in any of the press releases? For all we know it was a tip-off or maybe Mrs Murphy down the road complaining about noise.

Either way, relying on a trailer and two acetylene cylinders in a workshop or shed as evidence of a "bomb factory" is pretty dangerous territory. In fact, I've got a trailer and a few of those cylinders in my own garage - should I expect to be lifted and have my reputation ruined the next time the neighbours wonder why I'm cutting up oil drums in the middle of the night?
Why would you be cutting up drums in the middle of the night? Unusual.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 24, 2010, 07:13:32 PM
Why would you be cutting up drums in the middle of the night? Unusual.

Couldn't sleep with the worry of making an RIRA suspect list.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 24, 2010, 07:16:27 PM
I wouldn't lose any sleep unless you're a RIRA suspect.

How am I to know if I am or not?

My turn not to lose any sleep worrying about that.

The Free State is still alive and well south of the border then.

What border?

I have no idea what that might mean, but I can't imagine you want me to lie awake at night worrying about whether you might be on a suspect list if you weren’t entitled to be on it. And if you WERE entitled to be on it, I'd be damn glad the guards were keeping an eye on you.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on May 24, 2010, 07:22:56 PM
Where did you get the bit about the "surveillance operation"? I didn't see that in any of the press releases? For all we know it was a tip-off or maybe Mrs Murphy down the road complaining about noise.
According to the RTE report:
For several weeks gardaí and the Police Service of Northern Ireland have been working on a major surveillance operation against dissident republican groups.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0523/drogheda.html

The report also makes reference to a planned operation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 25, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
Man in court over bomb discovery


 Gardai and a forensic officer at the scene of the bomb find A 56-year-old man from Dundalk has been remanded in custody at the Special Criminal Court in Dublin charged with the possession of explosive materials.

The charges relate to the discovery of an alleged dissident bomb-making factory near Dundalk at the weekend.

Philip McKevitt from Aghaboy, Mountpleasant, is charged with possession of a modified trailer and two gas cylinders.

A second man in his 30s is still being held.

Mr McKevitt, who appeared in court with a bandage on his head, stood briefly as the charge was read out but did not speak.

His lawyer told the court Mr McKevitt had suffered injuries to his head and body and needed medical attention.

He was remanded in custody until 8 June
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on May 26, 2010, 07:06:55 PM
It does all sound a bit like the A-Team  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVb77pF8DQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRVb77pF8DQ)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on May 26, 2010, 08:23:04 PM
Did I hear correctly on the news last night when it said he was being charged with "possession of a modified trailer and two gas cylinders"? It's as well Hannibal and BA didn't live in the 'Free State'. Come to think of it, just as well I don't live there either or I'd need to have one hell of a garage sale.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Final Whistle on May 27, 2010, 10:05:03 AM
Major disruption on the A4, dissidents are some expert operators!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on June 18, 2010, 12:24:02 PM
350 people flee homes in Aughnacloy van bomb alert



Hundreds of people are still out of their homes following a bomb alert at a police station in County Tyrone.

A large area around Aughnacloy PSNI station remains closed as army experts examine a white van which was abandoned at Dungannon Road on Thursday at 2210 BST.

About 350 people left their homes and spent the night in three halls.

A local councillor said he understood the van contained a bomb made up of 300 - 500 pounds of explosives.

Police have not confirmed this.

Residents said the van was left outside the PSNI station, the door was lying open and the engine was running.

Dissident republicans have been responsible for a number of car bomb attacks on police stations in Northern Ireland this year.

It is understood a burnt out car was found just over the border from Aughnacloy, in the Republic of Ireland.

Some roads around the village remain cordoned off in the security operation and Aughnacloy Primary School will be closed all day.

The main street in Aughnacloy is now partially open and the A5 is accessible, however the main Aughnacloy to Dungannon road is closed.

The alert was raised in a telephone warning to a Belfast newspaper office. It is believed the call was from dissident republicans and the caller used a recognised code word.

DUP councillor Sammy Brush in Aughnacloy
DUP councillor Sammy Brush said it appeared to be a large bomb.

"I have been told reliably by a police officer that it was a viable device, it contained commercial explosives and would appear to be somewhere in the region of 300 pounds and 500 hundred pounds of commercial explosives.

"I understand it was a viable device. Had it gone off, it would have caused serious destruction and death," he said.

"There is nothing getting in, or out, of the vicinity of the police station."

Mr Brush said only an hour's warning was given and it was difficult, in that time frame, to get elderly people and young children out of bed and out of their homes.

He said the evacuation seemed "fairly well organised" and that there was "no panic".

"There's a little bit of anger and disbelief but I suppose the longer this goes on, the feelings will probably get stronger."

Sinn Fein MP for Fermanagh and South Tyrone Michelle Gildernew said those responsible for the device should "seriously reflect on what they are doing".

"The first thing to say is that people in Aughnacloy will be relieved this morning that no damage has been done and nobody has been injured in last night's attempted attack on the PSNI station," she said.

"However, people are angry at the disruption that has been caused particularly to elderly people and young children who were forced from their homes overnight.

"Their actions are no part of a campaign to bring about Irish unity and they have little or no popular support."

Ulster Unionist MLA for Fermanagh and South Tyrone Tom Elliott said it was "deeply distressing" such incidents were "becoming a familiar feature of life in Northern Ireland once again".

"Unfortunately, the events of recent months have shown that there is no such thing as being too careful - these thugs have no respect for life," he added.

"Their determination to injure and maim is indiscriminate."

SDLP MLA Tommy Gallagher said: "Those who planted this device show a selfish contempt for the people of Aughnacloy who deserve to live their lives without fear of violence.

"The SDLP has always condemned the use of violence. It was wrong in the past and it is still wrong now. Anyone with information should contact the police immediately."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on June 18, 2010, 01:03:37 PM
Why is the colour of the van significant? RTÉ radio this morning also referred throughout the report not to "the van" but to "the white van".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on June 18, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
Orangemen in Drumcree walk threat
Page last updated at 09:20 GMT, Friday, 18 June 2010 10:20 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version  Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission for the first time since 1998.

The Orange Order has failed to notify the Parades Commission that it wants to parade there this summer.

It is required to submit a form known as an eleven-bar-one, to serve notice of its intention to parade.

The order has confirmed no form was submitted before this month's deadline.

"At the moment, Portadown District has not submitted the eleven-bar-one form for the annual Drumcree church parade on Sunday, July 4," an Orange Order spokesman said.

In a statement, the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition (GRRC) in Portadown said it believed the order had decided to "engage in a game of brinkmanship" with the Parades Commission and to "unnecessarily raise tensions in Portadown and elsewhere".

Sinn Fein MLA John O'Dowd, who is a member of the working group established by the First and Deputy First Ministers to examine parading, said he thought the order was "making a mistake".

"There is a danger of raising tensions in an area where if tensions were raised it could affect right across the north," he said.

He said for many people in Portadown the "Drumcree parade issue is over".

"Over the last 10 years it has largely been peaceful and both sides of the community can get on with their lives," he added.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Franko on June 18, 2010, 01:29:53 PM
Orangemen in Drumcree walk threat
Page last updated at 09:20 GMT, Friday, 18 June 2010 10:20 UK
E-mail this to a friend Printable version  Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission Orangemen are threatening to walk to Drumcree church this year without permission for the first time since 1998.

The Orange Order has failed to notify the Parades Commission that it wants to parade there this summer.

It is required to submit a form known as an eleven-bar-one, to serve notice of its intention to parade.

The order has confirmed no form was submitted before this month's deadline.

"At the moment, Portadown District has not submitted the eleven-bar-one form for the annual Drumcree church parade on Sunday, July 4," an Orange Order spokesman said.

In a statement, the Garvaghy Road Residents Coalition (GRRC) in Portadown said it believed the order had decided to "engage in a game of brinkmanship" with the Parades Commission and to "unnecessarily raise tensions in Portadown and elsewhere".

Sinn Fein MLA John O'Dowd, who is a member of the working group established by the First and Deputy First Ministers to examine parading, said he thought the order was "making a mistake".

"There is a danger of raising tensions in an area where if tensions were raised it could affect right across the north," he said.

He said for many people in Portadown the "Drumcree parade issue is over".

"Over the last 10 years it has largely been peaceful and both sides of the community can get on with their lives," he added.

To quote the inimitable Willie Frazer,

"The people who organized the march knew there would be trouble so they are the ones who are solely responsible for it"

By his logic the paras would have every right to turn up and shoot these people.

What a w**ker that man is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:16:59 PM
Explosion in South Armagh?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:28:01 PM
Whitecross apparently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sandwiches_in_the_boot on July 10, 2010, 06:43:31 PM
Whitecross apparently.
I'm reading...

bomb exploded on the Carrickavaddy Road between Cullyhanna and Dorsey in South Armagh around 1730BST

bomb had been placed inside a black jeep and was underneath a bridge when it exploded.

Whitecross bridge I think. There are no reported injuries.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AFS on July 10, 2010, 06:49:18 PM
BBC on the ball. Just the hour and a half late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_ireland/10588031.stm
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2010, 07:09:08 PM
BBC on the ball. Just the hour and a half late.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/northern_ireland/10588031.stm
Did you need to use the bridge?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 10, 2010, 07:41:11 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10584986.stm

Well done the Guards in that particular incident. 5 w**kers (alleged) scooped.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 11, 2010, 11:27:05 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10584986.stm

Well done the Guards infiltrators in that particular incident. 5 w**kers (alleged) scooped.

This organisation is like a tea bag there's so many holes in it.

Notice how in the old days, the cops ( not the Gardai admittedly ) would have taken a few trophies and shot these lads dead.

The deal done with Marty and boys is no more martyrs.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 07:59:30 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Zapatista on July 16, 2010, 09:14:49 AM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

I think they should be congratulated.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Clown on July 16, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

why didnt they start the riot during the march?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on July 16, 2010, 10:59:25 AM
Anyone see Gerry Kelly grabbing the young lad by the scruff of the neck and pulling him away from throwing a rock. Fair play to him, pity the scumbags parents weren't out doing the same!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2010, 12:25:57 PM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

As will stealing Irish peoples' luggage off a train in Lurgan  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 04:54:26 PM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

I think they should be congratulated.


Definitely they should be congratulated.

Both for their leadership roles and their incredible audacity. Time was Gerry used to organise the riot. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

Can you elaborate orangeman?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on July 16, 2010, 05:35:52 PM
I see reports in the Irish News this morning of the "old IRA" confronting the dissidents in Belfast last night.


Changed times. Audacious on the part of the old brigade.

Can you elaborate orangeman?

Elaborate on what ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2010, 06:38:42 PM
The reports, what is supposed to have happened?

Some of us dont get the irish news this far west.  :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: pintsofguinness on July 16, 2010, 06:52:43 PM
I'd like to know if it was the old IRA or Sinn Fein's wannabe foot soldiers.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 06:55:10 PM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

why didnt they start the riot during the march?
GK has a cheek, it's not so long ago shinners organised protests against Orange parades which led to riots

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on July 16, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
I'd like to know if it was the old IRA or Sinn Fein's wannabe foot soldiers.

Gerry Kelly, Bobby Storey and Eddie Copeland. Offhand between the three of them you'd be talking 50 years inside, 150days on hunger strike and three or four gunshot wounds.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 08:54:58 PM
150 days on hunger strike?  Please explain

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2010, 09:10:14 PM
150 days on hunger strike?  Please explain
I think Kelly was on hunger strike for ages but was force fed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on July 16, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
150 days on hunger strike?  Please explain

http://tinyurl.com/27v6qh9 (http://tinyurl.com/27v6qh9)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: wikipedia
Upon imprisonment in England, Kelly, and the other prisoners went on hunger strike demanding political prisoner status and to be transferred to prisons in Northern Ireland. After 205 days on hunger strike, when Kelly was force fed 170 times by prison officers, Kelly was transferred to Long Kesh prison in Northern Ireland in April 1975

Is that what you are on about?  If so, my grasp of maths makes it substantially less than 150, unless he was on a Loyalist hunger-strike
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2010, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: wikipedia
Upon imprisonment in England, Kelly, and the other prisoners went on hunger strike demanding political prisoner status and to be transferred to prisons in Northern Ireland. After 205 days on hunger strike, when Kelly was force fed 170 times by prison officers, Kelly was transferred to Long Kesh prison in Northern Ireland in April 1975

Is that what you are on about?  If so, my grasp of maths makes it substantially less than 150, unless he was on a Loyalist hunger-strike
205 is more than 150.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 09:52:31 PM
He was force fed 170 days
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
He was force fed 170 days
170 times.

Also, can you really say that he wasn't on hunger strike any time he was force fed? That'd be unfair imo.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 10:03:01 PM
That's why I asked flippantly if it was a Loyalist hunger strike he was on.  The whole tradition of stailc ocrais is about not eating and in some cases drinking.  I get that the intention was there, is it fair to say he was on hunger strike the whole time though?  I don't think so
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2010, 10:04:21 PM
That's why I asked flippantly if it was a Loyalist hunger strike he was on.  The whole tradition of stailc ocrais is about not eating and in some cases drinking.  I get that the intention was there, is it fair to say he was on hunger strike the whole time though?  I don't think so
Well, he was. He was force fed. He was still striking.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
I am not going to agree hs, let's leave it at that  :)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on July 16, 2010, 11:19:15 PM
What a p***k, maybe you should Google Michael Gaughan as well.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on July 16, 2010, 11:25:43 PM
I am not going to agree hs, let's leave it at that  :)
I know you aren't but Jesus Christ...

"I was on hunger strike for 205 days but it was handy enough as I was force fed 170 times".

You are talking balls, imo.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on July 16, 2010, 11:53:36 PM
HS, all I am saying is that saying Kelly was on hunger strike for 205 days when he had some nourishment forced into him on 170 occasions during that time.  That's not the same as the hunger strike Bobby Sands underwent and I think to talk about what Kelly did in the same terms isn't exactly accurate.  Certainly the intention was there on his behalf, I wouldn't doubt that.  I am not questioning that.  He couldn't have survived that long without whatever he was force fed and to be fair others who were on the '80 and '81 hunger strikes for a lot less time have died as a result of long-term damage which had been done to their bodies
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on July 17, 2010, 12:07:13 AM
Jaysus, I am not making him out to be some iron man who was able to last 205 days on hunger strike but he was on hunger strike for that amount of time and the only reason he was able to last that amount of time was because he was force fed (tortured).

Not that I want to start comparing hunger strikes but I'm sure it was as harsh for Gerry Kelly as it was any of the others.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on July 17, 2010, 12:19:46 AM
Gerry Kelly made a good point last night, the rioters didn't start until the parade had passed. the orangeman were away up the road home, prob having a party or some of them away on their holidays, and the rioters were still out wrecking their local area and stealing and burning their neighbours cars

Great stuff lads, that'll have Ireland freed in no time!!

why didnt they start the riot during the march?
GK has a cheek, it's not so long ago shinners organised protests against Orange parades which led to riots

Fcuk sake man, if he didn't try to stop the rioters you would be writing more abuse about him. Hard to keep you happy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on July 17, 2010, 12:22:55 AM
HS, all I am saying is that saying Kelly was on hunger strike for 205 days when he had some nourishment forced into him on 170 occasions during that time.  That's not the same as the hunger strike Bobby Sands underwent and I think to talk about what Kelly did in the same terms isn't exactly accurate.  Certainly the intention was there on his behalf, I wouldn't doubt that.  I am not questioning that.  He couldn't have survived that long without whatever he was force fed and to be fair others who were on the '80 and '81 hunger strikes for a lot less time have died as a result of long-term damage which had been done to their bodies

Is there no level you won't stoop to just to talk sh1te?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sandino on August 31, 2010, 01:34:38 PM
Belfast in gridlock over suspect devices, Bomb scare in Omagh!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on August 31, 2010, 02:10:21 PM
Belfast in gridlock over suspect devices, Bomb scare in Omagh!

Turned out to be a bottle of milk that fell out of a pram.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 31, 2010, 02:34:59 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11139627

Coming to a cinema near you soon, 30 years late, Fra McCann and other leading Shinners in 'The Wind That Shook The Barley Was A Powerful Waste of Time'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: supersarsfields on September 15, 2010, 09:21:31 AM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.

"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rav67 on September 15, 2010, 09:32:40 AM
So 'bankers' are legitimate targets now then.  That's a bit random.  If you go after everyone funding/promoting the 'capitalist system' there won't be too many of us left in Britain or Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on September 15, 2010, 02:10:30 PM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.
"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."


When :-[
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: MCMLX on September 15, 2010, 02:14:04 PM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.
"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."


When :-[

They robbed all those cash machines.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: caughtredhanded on September 15, 2010, 03:07:04 PM
From Yahoo news.

The Real IRA has said it will resume attacks on the UK mainland - with banks and bankers its principal targets.

Vowing to alternate between "military, political and economic targets", the republican terror group has said that bankers are "criminals" and their role in funding Britain's colonial and capitalist system "has not gone unnoticed".

Responding to questions from The Guardian, a spokesman for the Real IRA said: "We have a track record of attacking high-profile economic targets and financial institutions.
"The bankers grease the politicians' palms, the politicians bail out the bankers with public funds, the bankers pay themselves fat bonuses and loan the money back to the public with interest.

"It's essentially a crime spree that benefits a social elite at the expense of many millions of victims."

Although it has just 100 members, the Real IRA has claimed support is on the rise among young disaffected nationalists, according to the paper.

However, unlike the Provisional IRA - which consistently targeted the City of London in the early 1990s and then Canary Wharf in 1996 - it has never launched a serious bombing campaign.

But the terror organisation has told the paper: "We have regrouped and reorganised and emerged from a turbulent period in republican history.

"As we rebuild, we are confident that we will increase the volume and effectiveness of attacks."


When :-[

They robbed all those cash machines.
;D I liked that one. well done.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on September 16, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961)

I see the 'Taxi man' from Strabane who lifted the Pipe bomb has been issued a Death Threat.  What next?
 
It's a crazy co-incidence at the same time who the taxi driver is, as he is well known in the area and this kind of threat could end up starting another 'Turf War' similar to the craic that went on a few years ago which resulted in a man being shot four times in Strabane.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on September 16, 2010, 11:49:24 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961)

I see the 'Taxi man' from Strabane who lifted the Pipe bomb has been issued a Death Threat.  What next?
 
It's a crazy co-incidence at the same time who the taxi driver is, as he is well known in the area and this kind of threat could end up starting another 'Turf War' similar to the craic that went on a few years ago which resulted in a man being shot four times in Strabane.
You wouldn't want to get bogged down in a turf war...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on September 16, 2010, 12:30:43 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11312961)

I see the 'Taxi man' from Strabane who lifted the Pipe bomb has been issued a Death Threat.  What next?
 
It's a crazy co-incidence at the same time who the taxi driver is, as he is well known in the area and this kind of threat could end up starting another 'Turf War' similar to the craic that went on a few years ago which resulted in a man being shot four times in Strabane.
You wouldn't want to get bogged down in a turf war...

For peat sake don't start at the puns
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 05, 2010, 12:14:26 AM
Rumours of an explosion in Derry tonight.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ziggysego on October 05, 2010, 12:19:36 AM
Rumours of an explosion in Derry tonight.

At the Ulster Bank, opposite DaVinci's. No-one's hurt. - Mark Lappin
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Armagh Cúchulainns on October 05, 2010, 12:37:30 AM
Sounded big but it's just down the hill from me so it mightn't have been too big. Some traffic f**k up in the morning!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 05, 2010, 12:58:38 AM
r u ok big man, dont be blowing that whistle too hard now!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on October 05, 2010, 07:17:02 AM
Sad day for Derry, no one hurt thank fck.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11473586 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11473586)

 >:(
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on October 07, 2010, 06:45:20 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:03:14 PM
apparently the one show is doing a section on the aftermath of the troubles or something now and that rod martin og meehan is going to be on, wonder what shite he'll spout this time
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on October 07, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
apparently the one show is doing a section on the aftermath of the troubles or something now and that rod martin og meehan is going to be on, wonder what shite he'll spout this time
Same shite his da spouted 20 years ago
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:21:34 PM
i think his da had a bit more between the ears. poor martin og obviously wants to be remembered like his da but he must be one of the biggest idiots in the country, poisonous hoor.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on October 07, 2010, 07:27:15 PM
I liked his da, don't care much for him tbh.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2010, 07:30:59 PM
I saw "true Gael" Jackie McDonald was also supposed to be on it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 07:34:47 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2010, 07:56:08 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.

I take it this was some sort of "conflict resolution" "shared future" vehicle ?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 07, 2010, 08:24:53 PM
not really, more showing that things aren't all hunky dory yet. sure martin og is no more interested in conflict resolution or a shared future.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wee Shea on October 07, 2010, 10:36:51 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589

f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on October 07, 2010, 10:39:46 PM
Quote
f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

And where will u but the balaclava and signed membership form


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wee Shea on October 08, 2010, 08:27:50 AM
Quote
f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

And where will u but the balaclava and signed membership form

Glove department. They'll never look there will they?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on October 08, 2010, 08:37:43 AM
They stopped me last night, didn't even look in the back seat or for that matter check the boot. Idiots.  ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on October 08, 2010, 10:03:18 AM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.

Martin Meehan was a 1st class Republican,involved from the early 60's,interned,escaped,jailed again on word of a paid perjurer,got 12 years released again then charged again and got another 15 years,66 days on hunger strike,received the last rites 4 times during his life from beatings he received from state forces.Every time he was out returned for active service.After the ceasefire he helped build the Sinn Fein party in Antrim and Newtownabbey which again took balls as he was continually under threat.For me he was a totally inspirational figure great craic and an unbelievable prankster.As for his sons they couldn't lace his boots and Martin og in particular is a complete d**khead.  :-[ :-[   
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Massey-135 on October 08, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
i liked martin senior too. i meant martin og is a poisonous hoor. jackie mcdonald was on briefly too.

Martin Meehan was a 1st class Republican,involved from the early 60's,interned,escaped,jailed again on word of a paid perjurer,got 12 years released again then charged again and got another 15 years,66 days on hunger strike,received the last rites 4 times during his life from beatings he received from state forces.Every time he was out returned for active service.After the ceasefire he helped build the Sinn Fein party in Antrim and Newtownabbey which again took balls as he was continually under threat.For me he was a totally inspirational figure great craic and an unbelievable prankster.As for his sons they couldn't lace his boots and Martin og in particular is a complete d**khead.  :-[ :-[

well said
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lolafrola on October 08, 2010, 03:28:49 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589

f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

Yeah the restricted notice but people like you who crash every other week the "R" stands for retarded (oh left out your speeding too)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: ardmhachaabu on October 08, 2010, 05:54:15 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11501311 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11501311)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wee Shea on October 11, 2010, 09:29:48 PM
Make sure your car tax/mot all up to date. Going to be a lot more check points shortly!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-11495589

f**k sake, gonna have to put my r plates up on the car

Yeah the restricted notice but people like you who crash every other week the "R" stands for retarded (oh left out your speeding too)

Can you repeat that in English please? I don't speak 'shiney'.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on November 06, 2010, 12:04:43 AM
More assholes creating trouble:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11703535
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:13:23 AM
Seems Boucher Road shops were ablaze last night, more people unemployed leading up to Christmas, that's a sure fire way to gaining a United Ireland. Whats next?

though no one has claimed it so maybe jumping the gun a bit ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sandino on November 16, 2010, 11:17:45 AM
Milltown that's you and Stephen Nolan at least your only doing it on a discussion forum. A disaster for the staff no matter what the cause is. Rubber Neckers are bringing traffic to a standstill so that they can have a closer look!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 11:28:48 AM
Seems Boucher Road shops were ablaze last night, more people unemployed leading up to Christmas, that's a sure fire way to gaining a United Ireland. Whats next?

though no one has claimed it so maybe jumping the gun a bit ::)
Very good. :D :D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 11:32:50 AM
Seems Boucher Road shops were ablaze last night, more people unemployed leading up to Christmas, that's a sure fire way to gaining a United Ireland. Whats next?

though no one has claimed it so maybe jumping the gun a bit ::)
most likely these shops didnt 'pay the insurance' to the thugs
feck all to do with unted Ireland or splinter from IRA etc
this is a group of thugs that realise their 'anti social' behaviour will not now have 'consequences' like it used to.
mores the pity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 12:48:20 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 01:16:42 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
well are the H blocks still being used?
are we not on the path to re-unification - certainly more iminent than at the time of the H blocks - thanks to the Hunger strikers and the work of a lot of good people in breaking down the sectarian 'establishment' !

if it turns out that it wasnt dissidents then fine, otherwise if it was my point stands (and stands for their motive for all their activities).
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 16, 2010, 01:18:13 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.

Ah and I am sure you helped smash the H-blocks ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 02:12:49 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)

Can't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
well are the H blocks still being used?
are we not on the path to re-unification - certainly more iminent than at the time of the H blocks - thanks to the Hunger strikers and the work of a lot of good people in breaking down the sectarian 'establishment' !

if it turns out that it wasnt dissidents then fine, otherwise if it was my point stands (and stands for their motive for all their activities).
Administering British rule is hardly the path to re-unification.  How, in your opinion, did they break down the establishment?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 03:17:55 PM
Yeah real dough heads, when we all know that the H Blocks have been smashed and re-unification is imminent.  ::)
an't you even wait until the cause of the fire is confirmed before doing your masters bidding i.e. black propaganda, divide and conquer.
well are the H blocks still being used?
are we not on the path to re-unification - certainly more iminent than at the time of the H blocks - thanks to the Hunger strikers and the work of a lot of good people in breaking down the sectarian 'establishment' !
if it turns out that it wasnt dissidents then fine, otherwise if it was my point stands (and stands for their motive for all their activities).
Administering British rule is hardly the path to re-unification.  How, in your opinion, did they break down the establishment?
well maybe you are too young to be able to spot the difference between the north of Ireland now and the north of Ireland way back then !

if you knew you wouldnt be asking this.
Just to give you a taste though rather than have you whinge that I didnt answer your 'question' - From civil rights and nationalist/Irish/Catholic/working class politicians attempting to change things through dialogue and protest to defending the people, to retaliation, ending up in GFA etc etc and zillions in between - take your pick. the history books can tell you all you want to know.
its a different world up there now in comparison to pre 1968
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 03:41:27 PM
I'm not as young as you may think.

In 1973, the British government proposed a 78-member Northern Ireland Assembly, to be elected by proportional representation. They would retain control over law and order, and a Council of Ireland would give the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland a voice in each other's affairs. This assembly was to replace the suspended Stormont Parliament.

Elections for the new assembly were held and the agreement was supported by the nationalist SDLP, the UUP and the Alliance Party. The pro-agreement parties won a clear majority of seats (52 to 26).

Republicans boycotted the elections, and the IRA continued its campaign of opposition throughout the outcome.

I await your usual mismash, fudged reply.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 16, 2010, 03:46:47 PM
how naive you are !!
the british gov backed north of Ireland establishment promised quite a lot to the nationalists/catholics/Irish/working class in the six counties.
they also dismissed any notions on inequality, persecution, oppression or a two tiered society.
those who refused your 1973 or sunningdale facades knew that they were mealy mouthed fronts.
choose to believe what you will, but you obv were living in fantasy land while others suffered!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 04:00:53 PM
Naive??

So the NI Assembly isn't backed by the Brits?

Aren't republicans still suffering day and daily,stop and search,  persecuted by the courts, beaten in Maghaberry?

You're the one in fantasy land if you think things have changed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 04:44:36 PM
Transitman, is your life better now than say had you been born in the 50's 60's? I was stopped, searched, questioned nearly everyday during the troubles and that was just going to school. Today i don't see the army, less police 40% of which are taigs! Equality regarding jobs, housing, benifits, and college students. Maybe its just me but i think we've come further and in certain areas done better than the 'others' who just happened to be born in another street.               Had you been born in that 'other' street what cause would you be fighting for?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 04:59:41 PM
That's how it's being sold to you Milltown, you're supposed to be feel great (the peace process feelgood factor) now that you (or your children) are not being harassed any more. I'd call freedom from harassment a basic human right, along with housing, employment etc. 

There have always been people who fit into your category, the " as long as I'm OK things are great".  But what of those (and their children) who are still being stopped every day, don't they matter, should we turn a blind eye now that we are not the "others" you speak of.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 06:45:31 PM
So your answer is to keep with the punishment shootings, rob banks, burn down business, collect protection money from your neighbours, harass kids in the streets to join up, have another Omagh............

I could go on. all this so that we get rid of the Brits join up with a bankrupt country that dished us 90 years ago so that then it will happen all over again when the UVF become the IRA, a force fighting against 'occupation'

Nothing has been sold to me, i feel good cause i've worked hard and have a great family.

Why are these people getting stopped? I know plenty of republicans not getting stopped.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 16, 2010, 10:02:48 PM
Whether you like it or not Milltown it is being sold to you and you are buying in big time. Why are there people getting stopped, why were you stopped every day? You see thats part of the line you are swallowing too ie that all so called dissidents approve of armed struggle and violence. Many don't but because they don't toe the line like the uncle toms they are vilified. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
So what is it you want?

Brits out

PSNI out

become part of the Irish republic

when you get that will you be happy then?  And how will you keep everyone happy? Will it not be a role reversal ? Answer some of my questions.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 11:14:01 AM
Peace in a United Ireland.

Yes, an end to British interference in Irish affairs and an accountable, impartial police service.

Thanks for caring about my wellbeing. It's impossible to keep everyone happy but justice and freedom from harassment/ interference would help. Why should it be a role reversal - nationalists/ republicans coming as they have from a history of injustice have repeatedly held out the hand of frienship to the unionist/ loyalist side -  catholic, protestant and dissenter / green, white and gold.

What about my questions, why were you stopped? Why are innocent people getting stopped now?  Should we turn a blind eye because we are not the "others"?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 17, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
Whether you like it or not Milltown it is being sold to you and you are buying in big time. Why are there people getting stopped, why were you stopped every day? You see thats part of the line you are swallowing too ie that all so called dissidents approve of armed struggle and violence. Many don't but because they don't toe the line like the uncle toms they are vilified.
evading the point though tvm- the difference between then and now is night and day. its no spin its what you see, its the reality.
this 'plateau' is good enough for now. Thats all that people wanted to free them from the bad old days !
its good enough for now.
The rest will come in time. we obv disagree on this, but comparing what used tohappen and what doesnt happen nowadays - well i'll take now everytime!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 02:10:06 PM
I'm hardly evading the point. Lynchboy, I already know from previous encounters with you, that like SF you are prepared to settle for less (far less) than what was sought at the outset.

The reality is that what used to happen is still happening to many republicans today.

You too fit into the "as long as I'm OK" category.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2010, 02:54:27 PM
Peace in a United Ireland.

Yes, an end to British interference in Irish affairs and an accountable, impartial police service.

Thanks for caring about my wellbeing. It's impossible to keep everyone happy but justice and freedom from harassment/ interference would help. Why should it be a role reversal - nationalists/ republicans coming as they have from a history of injustice have repeatedly held out the hand of frienship to the unionist/ loyalist side -  catholic, protestant and dissenter / green, white and gold.

What about my questions, why were you stopped? Why are innocent people getting stopped now?  Should we turn a blind eye because we are not the "others"?

We were stopped because of the area i lived in, (Falls road) the time, being the 70's 80's early 90's because the threat to police and Army was very high. kids as young as ten were carrying guns for the RA, mothers were carrying guns and bombs while pushing the pram.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think the UDA/UVF won't be happy if Ireland is re-united. Bombs going off left right and center. The the RA will have to defend us because they will be taking out legitimate targets (anyone they please) and so it will continue. Has history taught you anything????

As long as people feel that they are being 'occupied' then there will never be peace in Ireland. What we have now is better than what i was brought up in. 

As for the history of injustice, that's balls to, I'd say we are as intolerant to foreign nationalist as anyone else. When Celtic and Ranger play (two Scottish teams) we have riots in interface areas. As you have said we can't please everyone so accept what we have, and get on with living. life's very short and even shorter if you end up killed over a piece of land.

When you go down the political way you'll get a better feel of who will vote for your views, if they can get into roles within the community then surely that's a better way than whats happening?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 04:06:58 PM
Yes Milltown, you were stopped because of the area you were living in and a perception on behalf of the RUC/Brits that you were a threat.  It didn't mean you were a threat, and if you weren't, your basic human rights were being violated.  Do the rights of those being stopped today not matter, are these erstwhile comrades ("others") lesser beings because they do not agree with your political viewpoint.

With regard to the UVF/UDA, they have always been controlled by the Brits.  Why would the Brits want them to start a campaign when they have already secured the defeat of the republican movement.

As long as poeple feel they are occupied??? What the hell does that mean?  Are we supposd to pretend that there are no Brit soldiers here anymore, no MI5, no collusion, harassment, internment (in whatever guise) etc etc?

There are riots when West Ham play Milwall, Inter play AC and so on.  There will always be hooligans who join up behind the colours but you can't paint everone with the same brush.  There is life outside Belfast you know.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 17, 2010, 04:35:08 PM
There will always be hooligans who join up behind the colours

Never a truer word said......

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 17, 2010, 04:57:37 PM
There will always be hooligans let join up behind the colours

how true is that statement and what %'s are we talking about do you think?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 17, 2010, 08:35:00 PM
Its hard to say skull.
I would imagine a lot of boys are involved with genuine reasons but most for their own gain, cloaked in the Green White and Orange.  Being a dissident brings with it money, status and power. Theres manys a young man in Ireland or anywhere else in the world who would adapt whatever agenda you wanted them to for these things.

Take Armagh for example. The majority of dissidents are not former PIRA but new, younger lads who like the money, status and power. Take all that away and how many of them would have been involved in the armed campaign years ago..... They're all for a United Ireland if they get rich along the way.......

to your point though these thugs are being "let" do this. Not just by the guys who have always been involved but by the local communities.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 17, 2010, 08:36:46 PM
Yes Milltown, you were stopped because of the area you were living in and a perception on behalf of the RUC/Brits that you were a threat.  It didn't mean you were a threat, and if you weren't, your basic human rights were being violated.  Do the rights of those being stopped today not matter, are these erstwhile comrades ("others") lesser beings because they do not agree with your political viewpoint.

With regard to the UVF/UDA, they have always been controlled by the Brits.  Why would the Brits want them to start a campaign when they have already secured the defeat of the republican movement.
As long as poeple feel they are occupied??? What the hell does that mean?  Are we supposd to pretend that there are no Brit soldiers here anymore, no MI5, no collusion, harassment, internment (in whatever guise) etc etc?

There are riots when West Ham play Milwall, Inter play AC and so on.  There will always be hooligans who join up behind the colours but you can't paint everone with the same brush.  There is life outside Belfast you know.

So what your saying is that when we get this All Ireland, the Brits wont need the UVF/UDA and they will just go away? Brilliant!! you talk about me being 'sold' by the feel good factor of the peace process, but think its you that is being sold. Unable to think for yourself, you use the same old rhetoric in a time when most people have moved on and willing to accept that if a time comes through the vote that we will enter an united Ireland peacefully and without bloodshed.

The new MLA in West Belfast is an ex hunger striker (55 days) twice in jail serving 20 odd years he more than anyone is willing to accept that the ballot box is the way forward. are you saying he is wrong to go the way he has chosen? I'd say he'd have a better understanding of the current/past of Ireland to make a judgement.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 17, 2010, 08:39:48 PM
-  catholic, protestant and dissenter / green, white and gold.

I think you'll find it's Green  , White and ORANGE

 ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 17, 2010, 09:44:19 PM
You are right RF, but it's always been gold for the shinners.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DownFanatic on November 17, 2010, 11:48:37 PM
There has been a very high and visible presence of PSNI in South East Down in the past two days.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
TVM I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that SF have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

Current dissident representatives (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where dissidents can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard Marian Price on Nolan the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and dissidents had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - dissidents don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
great post and spot on Aoise !
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: glens abu on November 18, 2010, 12:53:06 PM
TVM I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that SF have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

Current dissident representatives (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where dissidents can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard Marian Price on Nolan the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and dissidents had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - dissidents don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?

Excellent post Aoise but I fear it my fall on deaf ears as TVM still thinks he is standing on the cavehill in 1798 and cant move on,but I suppose we have to keep trying.Well done.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 01:14:28 PM
TVM I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that SF have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

Current dissident representatives (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.
I have already stated that not all so called dissidents/ detractors are in favour of an armed response/ violence. Have you ever listened to/ read Anthony McIntyre, Gerry McGeough, Laurence O’Neill etc. Alternative analysis is out there for those who wish to take their heads out of the sand.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where dissidents can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves.
I am not speaking of a nation, I am referring to SF supporters.  The same sheep who Martin McGuiness referred to when he asserted that their support base was the “most sophisticated in Western Europe”. He would later claim that the electoral process of registration was too complicated for these political geniuses.

What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - dissidents don't!.
So are you saying that the dissidents don’t have the support of their own people.  Who were the PIRAs own people, who are the RIRAs, CIRAs, ONHs, INLAs, OIRAs own people.

History tells us that support for armed campaigns has always been poor in the early stages of the campaign.  Sometimes it increases eg 1969 and sometimes if doesn’t eg 1956.

How can you speak of sovereignty yet back political institutions and a process which fail to tackle the issue of Irish Sovereignty. A process which guarantees a Unionist veto, ensures an internal Six-county settlement and prohibits the probability of an end to partition

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.
It is virtually impossible to find anybody outside Sinn Fein itself willing to claim that a united Ireland is on the cards. The rhetoric of a united Ireland ‘always in the process’ does not gel with SFs endorsement of British state strategies for the management of Northern Ireland. Adams and McGuinness, should they live unti they are 80, will die British citizens in a British run Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 01:33:28 PM
TVM - without meaning to be rude, as that is not my intention, I am not going to get into an argument with you as I think its obvious if you quote both Gerry McGeough and Anthony McIntire to me, I understand what I am dealing with and to be honest if thats the best theorists that dissident republicanism can come up with then I feel it is hopeless.

Just to say this, if you are comparing now with 1969, and are hoping for future support from your own community based on historical comparison, that is where you fail because contrary to what you may think, a united ireland in 1969 was not the main motivational factor as to why the IRA garnered community support, it was because those people were being slaughtered, demonised and socially, politically and economically battered into the ground.  Take a look around you TVM, conditions have dictated that people are happy enough to wait for a time when we can take the high moral ground and join our people together constitutionally and politically, and guess what, we're not the ones slaughtering and demonising back, isn't that great unless its what some people really get their kicks out of.

My children speak their native tongue fluently, they are as confident in their Irish cultural and political identity as anyone born below a border, would you like to know why, it is because their parents are as confident in this also.  I do not need the removal of a border to tell me that I am more Irish, I could not be so even though it is ultimately what I desire.  I feel TVM contrary to your assertions, that too many people need the removal of a constitutional border to affirm their Irishness, pointing towards a lack of confidence in it in the first place.  I think some internal analysis is necessary, before national and political evaluation can take place!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 18, 2010, 01:54:34 PM
Good post again Aoise.

Dissidents are looking to start a war that 99.999% don't want all for their fanciful utopian notion of a free ireland. I'm sure in smoke filled sculleries they've discussed how a few decent attrocities perputrated by themuns (whoever they are) on usuns might bring a few more into the fight if they rile them enough. A price worth paying for this picture postcard land of shaleighleigh and shamrock  :-\
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on November 18, 2010, 02:28:23 PM
sensible posts Aoise, unlike TVM who seems to want to return to a past that is gone and which we don`t want to go back to. When they come up with a policy other than the bomb and the bullet, can they tell us?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 03:43:27 PM
Aoise, I do not advocate a return to war or violence anywhere in my posts.  Those with a republican outlook opposed to SFs current political position are viewed as dissident or one of the “others”.

Equality and better social and economic conditions, though welcomed by all, are not why PIRA fought a war.  It was a war for unity, independence as all Irish rebel uprisings have been.  If not why did republicans boycott a return to Stormont in 1973. We could have been spared much of the slaughter.

I was going to ignore you last paragragh but it is so indicative of the attitude of the elite, super Irish/ Republican attitude of the current flock of sheep that I cannot. Of course you are Irish, if you were born here how could you be anything else.  But I am no less Irish, nor is McGeough or McIntyre. I thought you were against demonisation but it seems only when it suits your purpose.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 03:57:55 PM
Aoise, I do not advocate a return to war or violence anywhere in my posts.  Those with a republican outlook opposed to SFs current political position are viewed as dissident or one of the “others”.

Equality and better social and economic conditions, though welcomed by all, are not why PIRA fought a war.  It was a war for unity, independence as all Irish rebel uprisings have been.  If not why did republicans boycott a return to Stormont in 1973. We could have been spared much of the slaughter.

I was going to ignore you last paragragh but it is so indicative of the attitude of the elite, super Irish/ Republican attitude of the current flock of sheep that I cannot. Of course you are Irish, if you were born here how could you be anything else.  But I am no less Irish, nor is McGeough or McIntyre. I thought you were against demonisation but it seems only when it suits your purpose.
no offense tvm - but the republicans I know that were 'on active service' were not out to unify the country. Thats a solution that would have obtained the requirements sought by people but
what was sought was "Equality and better social and economic conditions" - but more than that also - the stopping of attacks and pogams on 'our' side of the divide, the stopping of the persecution, oppression and systematic targetting by the establishment, its crown forces and the hoods they used when even dirtier work had to be done.

I understand what you are saying, but I at least dont agree with that.
Also I am not a sf supporter. A republican and so on, but sf only covers some of the republican peoples current ethos. For now thats good enough as the alternative - well there are no alternatives really..
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 18, 2010, 04:26:27 PM
no offense tvm - but the republicans I know that were 'on active service' were not out to unify the country. Thats a solution that would have obtained the requirements sought by people but
what was sought was "Equality and better social and economic conditions" - but more than that also - the stopping of attacks and pogams on 'our' side of the divide, the stopping of the persecution, oppression and systematic targetting by the establishment, its crown forces and the hoods they used when even dirtier work had to be done.

I understand what you are saying, but I at least dont agree with that.
Also I am not a sf supporter. A republican and so on, but sf only covers some of the republican peoples current ethos. For now thats good enough as the alternative - well there are no alternatives really..
Full circle again Lynchboy.  If that's all that was necessary then why not support the Stormont of 1973, rather than be the dissidents.  Surely we didn't have to go through the intervening years and the suffering, death and destruction when, as Aoise would have us believe, the Republican Movement had the support of the people. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 18, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
no offense tvm - but the republicans I know that were 'on active service' were not out to unify the country. Thats a solution that would have obtained the requirements sought by people but
what was sought was "Equality and better social and economic conditions" - but more than that also - the stopping of attacks and pogams on 'our' side of the divide, the stopping of the persecution, oppression and systematic targetting by the establishment, its crown forces and the hoods they used when even dirtier work had to be done.

I understand what you are saying, but I at least dont agree with that.
Also I am not a sf supporter. A republican and so on, but sf only covers some of the republican peoples current ethos. For now thats good enough as the alternative - well there are no alternatives really..
Full circle again Lynchboy.  If that's all that was necessary then why not support the Stormont of 1973, rather than be the dissidents.  Surely we didn't have to go through the intervening years and the suffering, death and destruction when, as Aoise would have us believe, the Republican Movement had the support of the people.
said it to you before Tvm, the establishment were still up to their old dirty tricks and we know even up until the early 2000's their word couldnt be trusted. those early agreements would have resulted in nothing and zero progress , only tocopperfasten the status quo at that stage. republicans were 100% correct to not trust and to rail against them at that time.

i'm still not happy in regard to the psni, but its a zillion times better than it was and most other things are ok now.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 08:11:19 PM
Aoise, I do not advocate a return to war or violence anywhere in my posts.  Those with a republican outlook opposed to SFs current political position are viewed as dissident or one of the “others”.

Equality and better social and economic conditions, though welcomed by all, are not why PIRA fought a war.  It was a war for unity, independence as all Irish rebel uprisings have been.  If not why did republicans boycott a return to Stormont in 1973. We could have been spared much of the slaughter.

I was going to ignore you last paragragh but it is so indicative of the attitude of the elite, super Irish/ Republican attitude of the current flock of sheep that I cannot. Of course you are Irish, if you were born here how could you be anything else.  But I am no less Irish, nor is McGeough or McIntyre. I thought you were against demonisation but it seems only when it suits your purpose.


TVM
1 - I agree with you in that all republicans should be regarded as equal, that said, I believe that everyone should be regarded as equal as I am a socialist at heart and feel that this ultimately is the basis of republicanism as well - which is exactly why I don't believe those who advocate further violence without the backing of the people are republican in the truest sense, their principles conflict with their actions.  The reason for me using the term dissidents is merely to differentiate those that may be pro agreement and those against, it is not a slur, nor is it a derogatory term although I understand how it is viewed as such

2 - Apologies if I accused you of supporting violent methods, I have picked you up wrong on that.  BTW just for the record, I am not opposing the right to take up arms in defense of a people's rights, I merely do not think that this is that time, 1969, 79, 89 was a different matter.  Which leads me on to....

3 - The reason republican's boycotted a return to Stormont in 1973, was because the British state still held the Irish people in a position of strangulation.  Internment was rife and as I've said before, the social and economic conditions of the 6 counties created a mechanism by which the IRA gained support for an armed campaign.  The political arena was not a place to be for republican's in 1973 - your insinuation that it had everything to do with a united Ireland, is IMHO wrong!

4 - To call people 'elitist' and 'sheep' merely avoids the answering of certain questions.  As I've said before, to call Irish people sheep is to completely undermine their political intelligence of which we are very astute as a nation.  It is an immature response and one which does not surprise me.  You are entitled to your opinion, I just get afraid that others with your opinion and who do support the use of violent attacks (I get that you don't) are actually making decisions on behalf of the rest of us who lets be honest don't want to return to a time we would rather forget.  Dogma never got anyone anywhere, I just hope that all republican's realise this before its too late!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 18, 2010, 08:17:01 PM
Also TVM, I notice by your name that you proclaim to be from "L'Derry", yet here you are talking abut the sovereignty of Ireland!  Reminds me of that guy standing outside Croke Park when the English rugby team played for the first time protesting against the allowing of foreign sports into it, while he himself was wearing a Celtic top!!! ???

It is this kind of dogmatic action I am talking about!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 18, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
A Flashback from, say, 1978 or thereabouts?

TVM's Senior, I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that Constitutional Nationalism have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

The Provisional IRA (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where the Provos can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard a spokeswoman on the radio the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and the Provos had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The Old IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - Provos don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?

I look forward with despair to more of the same in 2040, 2080, 2110 etc, though I'll be long dead before then,  having died not in a United Ireland, but in a United Kingdom.

In which case, I shall be in the company (metaphorically speaking) of the likes of Joe Cahill, Brian Keenan, Gerry Adams Senior, Brendan Hughes et al.

And, I expect, the same will apply to Gerry Adams Jr, Martin McGuinness and Alex Maskey etc, though not I hope not to end up in the same place as them...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 19, 2010, 03:02:18 AM
I look forward with despair to more of the same in 2040, 2080, 2110 etc, though I'll be long dead before then,  having died not in a United Ireland, but in a United Kingdom.

You moving to England EG?
Will be glad to see the back of you sad to see you go
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aoise on November 19, 2010, 09:18:05 AM
EG - changing my words only serves to highlight your own narrow political viewpoint.  whether you accept it or not, the troubles began with justification.  I'm not going to argue with you as you can see I only post when I've something worthwhile to say.  I have two ears and one mouth and this should reflect the amount of listening we all do.  I have been reading this forum for many years and I know where your coming from, mindless political debate doesn't interest me.  Maybe you should use your ears more often instead of putting your mouth to use before your brain clicks into place.  I would then be interested to hear your opinion - however I fear this won't happen!  Good Luck!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Banana Man on November 19, 2010, 10:29:40 AM
A Flashback from, say, 1978 or thereabouts?

TVM's Senior, I accept the fact you are not happy with the status quo, I also accept the fact that you feel that Constitutional Nationalism have sold out and are selling us all a pup.  You say that we are buying this 'lie' just because we follow the line that 'I'm alright Jack'!  But here's how I see it...

The Provisional IRA (whoever they are but when they do speak) portray nothing but empty dogma - no suggestions, just mindless actions that are pissing off their own community more than they are the Brits.

We are a politically mature nation, no-one is ignorant of political reality and if you ask me, that is where the Provos can never be credible.  To simply say we are believing a lie is not only patronising to the extreme but also ignores the fact that Irish people are able to analyse and evaluate political argument for themselves, we've had to over the years.  So methinks its your own lie that you are propagating in the hope that enough uneducated politically immature young men hear you and start believing you, but that is quite dangerous, as we all know what the consequences of that can be.

I heard a spokeswoman on the radio the other morning and I despaired.  Not one political point could she make other than she felt that she and the Provos had the right to protect the sovereignty of Ireland, she then scuttled off because she had nothing else worthwhile to say.  Now I am a republican, have been all my life and I understand that people are disillusioned, however I'm going to ask you a question - What is 'Ireland'?  In my opinion, Ireland is a nation of people who come from many backgrounds, just as it was in 1798, the Republic was foreseen to be inclusive of all and the sovereignty of its people was to take cogniscence of that.  It is not for a small group of people to feel that they have ultimate power over the will of the people because not only is it removing that sovereignty from them it also removes what Republicanism should truly stand for - The people make a nation, not how many yards of soil is in it.  The Old IRA had the support of its own people which in turn gave them sovereignty to protect them - Provos don't!

A United Ireland will happen, of that I am sure.  But there are many in our society who are choosing not to see the bigger picture and are just ploughing ahead with mindless attacks that the British can ignore and just continue to remove the rights of their own people.  Young children, who cannot articulate political maturity because they themselves are not mature enough to analyse it, are the footmen of those who should know better.

So instead of thinking that everyone else is ignorant apart from the dissidents, maybe TVM you should not underestimate other peoples intelligence, but underlying everything that dissidents do is the mistaken belief that they know best - how much sovereignty are we allowed from that conclusion then as Irish people?

I look forward with despair to more of the same in 2040, 2080, 2110 etc, though I'll be long dead before then,  having died not in a United Ireland, but in a United Kingdom.

In which case, I shall be in the company (metaphorically speaking) of the likes of Joe Cahill, Brian Keenan, Gerry Adams Senior, Brendan Hughes et al.

And, I expect, the same will apply to Gerry Adams Jr, Martin McGuinness and Alex Maskey etc, though not I hope not to end up in the same place as them...

that just struck me there, is it a united Queendom then at the moment? No doubt it will be a kingdom when you die, assuming you see of Lizzie and either Charlie or Willy takes tot he throne but seeing as there presently is no king should the UK not be the UQ? - just a thought  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: TransitVanMan on November 19, 2010, 11:06:20 AM
Aoise, yes L’derry short for Londonderry, UK City of Culture as endorsed by McGuiness. Sarcasm is obviously lost on you.

So it’s was OK to resist, with violence, the institutions in 1973 but embrace them less than 20 years later, and have the gall to demonise those who would oppose the institutions now.

As I have said on here previously, unity has always been a key republican demand. SF entered into ‘negotiations’ full in the knowledge that strategic theatre was already set.  They were to be encouraged into constitutional politics while facing no limits on their political growth in the North, so long as every concession ceded by the British was ring fenced in by the consent principle, long described by SF as the ‘unionist veto ’.

For this they were prepared to jettison the republicanism which they had used as a vehicle on their short trip into constitutional politics, and cast aside the demand which defined republicanism, unity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: The Iceman on November 19, 2010, 05:03:49 PM

For this they were prepared to jettison the republicanism which they had used as a vehicle on their short trip into constitutional politics, and cast aside the demand which defined republicanism, unity.

stop rhyming off Gerry Bradley and think for yourself
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 19, 2010, 05:57:49 PM
the consent principle, long described by SF as the ‘unionist veto ’.


How can you unite Ireland if a crowd who are a majority in one corner of the Country won't agree to it?
Using armed struggle (against who nowadays?) will hardly change their minds.
Hopefully when the Germans IMF/ECB give us enough money to pay back their investments in the Irish Zombie banks, then help us improve our Economy so we can afford to pay back their loans we might see some of those Unionists becoming non Unionists who might see it as in their best Interests to be part of an All Ireland set up.
However Dissident Republicans will hardly convince them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Sandino on November 19, 2010, 06:32:29 PM
I see now that reports are saying that the fire on Boucher Rd was not suspicious.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
All a bit mad on the Malone Rd at the minute. The wife says ditch the car and she'll pick me up later. £2 pints in the Students Union anyone?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2011, 04:46:55 PM
They used to only be 1 pound.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Caitlin on January 21, 2011, 07:50:48 PM
I was interested to see the story about the undercover Metropolitan Police Officer who joined a number of environmental groups ( and also visited Ireland both to see his wife and also to join the Shell to Sea protesters in Mayo) and acted as an agent provocateur. The suggestion is that by joining these groups and directing/encouraging them to agitate against the State he helped to justify the massive expenditure on surveillance for police forces, kept them in jobs and ultimately provide a reason for them to exist. A lot of people wondered why Mark Kennedy was encouraging them to resort to violence when they believed in non-violent action to achieve their aims. Now they see that they were tricked by a man representing a system that resorted to foul deeds to maintain their existence.
And then I thought about 'brains' behind the attack on Peadar Heffron, the GAA man and Gaeilgor who has lost his legs in an explosion. And then I thought about the fact that the UK security services have largely avoided the public sector cuts. And then I thought about the half-wits that supported or carried out this act thinking it would bring forward a United Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2011, 08:34:48 PM
They used to only be 1 pound.

Pints £1.50 this evening. £5 for round of 3 shorts.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2011, 09:44:22 PM
That, is not bad at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
What is the 'Republican Network for Unity'? Newton Emerson had a small piece about them in today's Irish News. Apparently the signed off emails to Belfast newsrooms with the following :

"Our maxim: It's not where your (sic) coming from, its (sic) where your (sic) going to, that is important to us."

Emerson's next line was "Perhaps going to school would be important too."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on April 02, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
Booby trap bomb has gone off underneath a policemans car on the Derry road in oamgh. I know the fella only young. Heard he's badly hurt. Scumbags.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: bcarrier on April 04, 2011, 11:42:26 AM
Whatever these people are they aren't republicans.

The targeting of Catholic policemen exposes them as sectarians with a primary motive of keeping society in the north divided along religious lines. Its about as far as you can get from Wolfe Tones' case for unity between Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 04, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
FFS bcarrier these boys carrying out these attacks wouldnt have a clue who Wolfe Tone was.  They represent no one.  I am sure its well known to the police who carried this out. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Orior on April 04, 2011, 01:23:25 PM
Was there anyone collecting for republican prisoners at the match in Dungannon yesterday?

How was the minute silence received? Apologies if this has been covered in another thread.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Denn Forever on April 04, 2011, 01:42:07 PM
On the news it seemed that the minutes silence silence was well respected.  Pity that it had to be observed at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on April 04, 2011, 02:12:29 PM

A security alert is under way in North Belfast, following the discovery of a suspicious object beneath a vehicle close to a police station.

1 of 1  Belfast - Suspicious object examined A security alert is under way in north Belfast, following the discovery of a suspicious object beneath a vehicle close to a police station.

British army bomb experts are examining the object in Tennent Street.

Homes and businesses in the area are being evacuated and the road has been closed to motorists.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: rossie mad on April 04, 2011, 02:16:32 PM

These clowns are either totally stupid and not connected to the 95.5% of the majority of the people or are just plain evil.

probably a large mix of both.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Abble on April 04, 2011, 03:07:22 PM
can the GAA not do anything to prevent these boys from fundraising outside our county grounds ? who in their right minds would contribute anything to their cause at a Gaelic match when we see the people who they are targeting !?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: maximus on April 04, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
They stand on the road on the way into the ground. The GAA has no jurisdiction in this area and if someone feels they wish to give money to Republican prisoners it is their choice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on April 04, 2011, 04:26:48 PM
There is a big difference between collecting for prisoners families and fundraising for the organizations themselves. One is charitable and totally acceptable, whilst the other, obviously, is not.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: maximus on April 04, 2011, 04:34:04 PM
Those I seen collecting outside the ground in Armagh were for Republican POW I don't know maybe there were others collecting.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on April 04, 2011, 05:50:12 PM
There is a big difference between collecting for prisoners families and fundraising for the organizations themselves. One is charitable and totally acceptable, whilst the other, obviously, is not.

How do you know the difference?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on April 04, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
There is a big difference between collecting for prisoners families and fundraising for the organizations themselves. One is charitable and totally acceptable, whilst the other, obviously, is not.
I don't think there's any difference. Both are effectively supporting 'the cause'. And who knows where the money ends up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on April 04, 2011, 10:34:13 PM
So what is it you want?

Brits out

PSNI out

become part of the Irish republic


when you get that will you be happy then?  And how will you keep everyone happy? Will it not be a role reversal ? Answer some of my questions.
That is only the first part of it. They have a 10 point plan.
1. Brits out
2. PSNI out
3. United Ireland
4. Anybody not happy with the new constitutional  arrangements must be a Brit and can F off back to Britain.
5. Gerry, Martin and indeed every SF voter (sheep) up against the wall and shot for selling out the ideals of a 32 Country republic in 1998
6. Every FG voter up against the wall and shot for selling out in 1921.
7. Every FF & Green voter up against the wall for selling the Country off to the EU in 2010.
8. SDLP up against the wall cos no one likes them.
9. Anyone else who disagrees up against the wall.
10. A bit of infighting will thin out the remainder "cos they might be informers".

And then they will have their republic.
The bit I am not sure about is who will they sell the drugs to when everyone else is gone?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 15, 2011, 11:34:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2011, 12:27:11 PM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Well they must be on their way to arrest Frazer then after his outburst.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 15, 2011, 12:29:03 PM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Why is it counter-productive?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on May 16, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Why is it counter-productive?

Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.


The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The 57-year-old from Stockman's Avenue in Belfast appeared at Londonderry Magistrates Court on Monday.

She was charged with encouraging support for an illegal organisation, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday.

The defendant, whose name was given in court on Monday as Marion McGlinchey, was accused of addressing a meeting encouraging support for a proscribed organisation, the IRA.

A police sergeant told the court that she had been at an Easter Commemoration in Derry's city cemetery, where she held a piece of paper for a masked man who read a speech from it.

Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained.

The judge granted her bail on that charge.

However, she remains in custody after the secretary of state decided to revoke her release licence on Sunday night.

In a statement Mr Paterson said: "My priority is the safety of the people of Northern Ireland.

"The Government will not hesitate to use all the powers at its disposal under the law to counter the residual terrorist threat."

Price was jailed for the IRA bombing of the Old Bailey in London in 1973.

She is due to reappear in court again by videolink on the 9 June.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 16, 2011, 10:49:16 PM


Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.


The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The 57-year-old from Stockman's Avenue in Belfast appeared at Londonderry Magistrates Court on Monday.

She was charged with encouraging support for an illegal organisation, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday.

The defendant, whose name was given in court on Monday as Marion McGlinchey, was accused of addressing a meeting encouraging support for a proscribed organisation, the IRA.

A police sergeant told the court that she had been at an Easter Commemoration in Derry's city cemetery, where she held a piece of paper for a masked man who read a speech from it.

Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained.

The judge granted her bail on that charge.

However, she remains in custody after the secretary of state decided to revoke her release licence on Sunday night.

In a statement Mr Paterson said: "My priority is the safety of the people of Northern Ireland.

"The Government will not hesitate to use all the powers at its disposal under the law to counter the residual terrorist threat."

Price was jailed for the IRA bombing of the Old Bailey in London in 1973.

She is due to reappear in court again by videolink on the 9 June.

Maybe she thought he was going to read St Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on May 16, 2011, 10:56:00 PM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772)

Why is it counter-productive?

Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.

She certainly is.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 16, 2011, 11:07:56 PM
Bombscare in Maynooth tonight. I thought the Queen was only going to Giltown and the National Stud?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on May 17, 2011, 08:46:30 AM
Surely the cops have more to do with their time than this - surely it's counter productive ?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13403772

Why is it counter-productive?

Playing silly buggers now into the bargain.


The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The 57-year-old from Stockman's Avenue in Belfast appeared at Londonderry Magistrates Court on Monday.

She was charged with encouraging support for an illegal organisation, following a dissident republican rally in Derry on Easter Sunday.

The defendant, whose name was given in court on Monday as Marion McGlinchey, was accused of addressing a meeting encouraging support for a proscribed organisation, the IRA.

A police sergeant told the court that she had been at an Easter Commemoration in Derry's city cemetery, where she held a piece of paper for a masked man who read a speech from it.

Her lawyer said that she had been asked to hold it because it was a windy day and that she had no idea what the speech contained.

The judge granted her bail on that charge.

However, she remains in custody after the secretary of state decided to revoke her release licence on Sunday night.

In a statement Mr Paterson said: "My priority is the safety of the people of Northern Ireland.

"The Government will not hesitate to use all the powers at its disposal under the law to counter the residual terrorist threat."

Price was jailed for the IRA bombing of the Old Bailey in London in 1973.

She is due to reappear in court again by videolink on the 9 June.

Is the revoking of her licence a permanent move or temporary?  In otherwords, will she have to serve the remainder of her original sentence.  I don't think Torrens Knights licence was revoked and look what he was actually convicted off recently whereas your doll has been convicted of nothinf yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Don Johnson on May 17, 2011, 10:57:52 PM
Rioting tonight in Craigavon for the Queen's visit. Idiots.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 17, 2011, 11:05:50 PM
Rioting tonight in Craigavon for the Queen's visit. Idiots.
She won't hear them.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2011, 06:08:17 PM
Was anyone stuck in the traffic last night?

Was heading out for dinner last night and got the train in and there was disruptions on the Portadown line with the Dublin train delayed for a few hours!!

the taxi man was telling me he was stuck on the Westlink for two hours!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: paco on May 28, 2011, 06:46:14 PM
Was anyone stuck in the traffic last night?

Was heading out for dinner last night and got the train in and there was disruptions on the Portadown line with the Dublin train delayed for a few hours!!

the taxi man was telling me he was stuck on the Westlink for two hours!!

Took a similar amount of time for me to make it from the Europa to the M2. Was mental, I seen a few men ask their wives to sit in the driver's seat while they went to get a chippy, then they came back after 20 minutes and still hadn't moved!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on May 28, 2011, 06:55:22 PM
Was anyone stuck in the traffic last night?

Was heading out for dinner last night and got the train in and there was disruptions on the Portadown line with the Dublin train delayed for a few hours!!

the taxi man was telling me he was stuck on the Westlink for two hours!!

Took a similar amount of time for me to make it from the Europa to the M2. Was mental, I seen a few men ask their wives to sit in the driver's seat while they went to get a chippy, then they came back after 20 minutes and still hadn't moved!
What would be the point of getting their fella to go and get them a gravy chip, then driving off before they'd returned with it?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: paco on May 28, 2011, 06:59:25 PM
This was just around the corner from city hall where it was at a stand still for at least an hour, nobody was going anywhere in a hurry.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on June 08, 2011, 12:18:39 PM
How times change :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13694591
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 05, 2012, 11:13:12 PM
North Belfast alert: suspicious object was bombA bomb has been found in a car in north Belfast.

About 60 residents were moved from their homes in the alert on Thursday morning at Blackdam Court off the Ligoniel Road.

Army bomb disposal experts carried out a controlled explosion. Police later confirmed that a "viable device" had been taken away for examination.

A police spokesman said people who live in the area would be allowed to return to their homes as soon as possible.

DUP MLA William Humphrey said the alert caused major disruption for residents.

"This was a very reckless indiscriminate planting of what seems to be a viable device in a built-up area," he said.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2012, 11:14:27 PM
Traitors to Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: angermanagement on January 19, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
Two bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nifan on January 20, 2012, 08:27:06 AM
The tourist office as well. I assume this is something to do with the city of culture?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: thewobbler on January 20, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
The tourist office as well. I assume this is something to do with the city of culture?

I assume it has more to do with a complete lack of concern or understanding for what is best for the Nationalist people of Derry.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 20, 2012, 09:07:02 AM
The other target was the DHSS office, these soldiers seemed to have a deep understanding of the layout of this area, they have obviously spent a lot of time in and around the locality in recent times in readiness for their attack.  We are dealing with the real deal here people, they even had the foresight not to attack the office on their signing day. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2012, 09:56:36 AM
Ive said it on this board before and Ill say it again. It is only a matter of time before a couple of these misguided lunatics achieve 'the big one': a multiple fatality hit.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: winghalfun on January 20, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
Quote
Ive said it on this board before and Ill say it again. It is only a matter of time before a couple of these misguided lunatics achieve 'the big one': a multiple fatality hit

That doesn't make sense.

If any of these "misguided lunatics", which I agree they are, wanted to achieve multiple fatalities they wouldn't have phoned in a warning.

Are you saying that the dissidents hope the warnings won't be acted on or acted on quickly enough?

If the objective was multiple fatalities then surely no warnings would be given.

Bit dramatic there Downfanatic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 11:52:15 AM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: DownFanatic on January 20, 2012, 12:06:25 PM
Quote
Ive said it on this board before and Ill say it again. It is only a matter of time before a couple of these misguided lunatics achieve 'the big one': a multiple fatality hit

That doesn't make sense.

If any of these "misguided lunatics", which I agree they are, wanted to achieve multiple fatalities they wouldn't have phoned in a warning.

Are you saying that the dissidents hope the warnings won't be acted on or acted on quickly enough?

If the objective was multiple fatalities then surely no warnings would be given.

Bit dramatic there Downfanatic.

They have successfully targeted PSNI officers and British Army personnel in the not too distant past. They are very capable of executing an attack on either of these groupings that will cause death.

The two recent bombs in Derry are simply to show that the dissidents are still knocking about and they can still cause havoc when they want to.

A more determined element within their ranks would cite military/police fatalities as a major coup. They have done it before and they will do it again. Mark my words.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Moortown Spuds on January 20, 2012, 12:14:38 PM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.

They will pin something on him.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.

Doesn't get his three years back and will get no compensation for them either.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2012, 12:18:42 PM
Colin Duffy has been cleared of the Masserene attacks.

They will pin something on him.

He was in the getaway car, they just couldn't prove it was the night of the murders. So he maybe needs to watch the company he is keeping if he doesent want anything "pinned on him".
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
He was in the getaway car, they just couldn't prove it was the night of the murders. So he maybe needs to watch the company he is keeping if he doesent want anything "pinned on him".

You mean his DNA was planted in the getaway car. ;) Colin has lost the best part of three years of his life, again, because of an attempt to frame him by the RUC/PSNI/Special Branch. It isnt the first time this has happened, lets hope it is the last. I hope both himself and Brian enjoy their freedom.
Cant wait to see the 1 o'clock news.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 01:04:26 PM
How the hell was Brian Shivers found guilty. Whatever sentence they give Brian will in effect be a life sentence.

There was no jury, none at all,
The pig-in-the-wig was right,
And only fools sought fit to stand
And challenge him with fight,
For this court is a farce, my friends,
And justice knows no light.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on January 20, 2012, 02:27:20 PM
Ulick, why would Collie not get compensation for being locked away for 3 years of his life. Surely this means he was innocent therefore wrongly locked up and would he not be guaranteed to sue the British Government (not that any money will get his 3 years back)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 02:40:06 PM
Ulick, why would Collie not get compensation for being locked away for 3 years of his life. Surely this means he was innocent therefore wrongly locked up and would he not be guaranteed to sue the British Government (not that any money will get his 3 years back)

Anyone who has been convicted of a "scheduled offence" in the north is not eligible for compensation as far as I know. As I remember Collie was convicted of possessing ammunition after Sam Marshall was killed - they were all on bail for it at the time. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Trout on January 20, 2012, 04:54:16 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

Not in Provo land. A republican has never been rightfully convicted of a crime in their world.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Puckoon on January 20, 2012, 05:17:16 PM
Whatever sentence they give Brian will in effect be a life sentence.


Is there a problem with this?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

Not in Provo land. A republican has never been rightfully convicted of a crime in their world.

Well if you read the judgement on admissibility, it seem Cellmark UK is the standard DNA lab for such cases. They could get no match. So they send to 'Cybernetics Trueallele' in the USA, he includes allele peaks below a threshold which Cellmark rejects. One way to look at this is that his method is better science and his results are valid. Another way of looking at it is to say they failed to win their bet with their favorite bookie, so they went to one offering better odds offshore.

I don't know which is true, but if you go to:
http://www.cybgen.com/systems/casework.shtml

and read the first sentence, you will see that they 'objectively infer genetic profiles', this sounds a wee bit like bluffing to me. But the next sentence is the most important for me. "These profiles can then be automatically matched against available references or large databases".

If he matched to 'an available reference' i.e. was given 2 samples: Shivers DNA and a sample from the match and asked if they match. The opportunity for bluffing might indeed be considered high. But if he was given the match sample and asked to pick any matches from the British national DNA database and picked Shivers out, then you might say he probably wasn't bluffing.

Of course if you argue that the DNA samples were obtained fraudulently in the first place then that's a whole other argument. But if it was planted evidence then they made some balls of it when they didn't plant enough for the UK lab to be able to get a standard match. Unless that was a cunning double bluff?

(I probably should have used the sample from the seat-belt or glove in the above as 'matching the sample from the match' could lead to confusion.)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 05:28:46 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

His system is based soley on a new method of statistical analysis dreamt up by him and accepted by practically no other court in the world and he stands to make millions if the method is accepted. If his system was based on some technological breakthrough I might be convinced but I know enough about statistics to know his method can never be reliable unless accompanied by full DNA profiles which in this case were not present.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on January 20, 2012, 05:36:41 PM
Whatever sentence they give Brian will in effect be a life sentence.


Is there a problem with this?
I think he means that Shivers' days are numbered. He is suffering from some illness.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 05:46:18 PM
AO, there's no winking about it. The simple fact is the glove wasn't in the car when it was inspected in the immediate aftermath, in fact there is no record of the glove until weeks later, conveniently after Duffy's house had been raided. The "DNA evidence" was a joke, nothing more than a pile of stats pulled out of some bluffers hole. The fact that even a Diplock judge wouldn't convict speaks volumes, though that still won't stop many others making insinuations that Collie was responsible for this.

Just on the news Chivers found guilty.

"Dr Perlin's primary degree was in Chemistry and he has Doctorates in Mathematics and Computer Science, as well as a degree in Medicine"

He could well still be bluffing but he seems decently qualified?

His system is based soley on a new method of statistical analysis dreamt up by him and accepted by practically no other court in the world and he stands to make millions if the method is accepted. If his system was based on some technological breakthrough I might be convinced but I know enough about statistics to know his method can never be reliable unless accompanied by full DNA profiles which in this case were not present.

http://www.cybgen.com/company/history.shtml

Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 06:15:12 PM
Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.

And how many courts?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.

And how many courts?

The one below and a couple more.

http://www.wtae.com/news/18918565/detail.html

I'm not arguing that is not a new way of analysing data, both lawyers who appeared for the defence argued similarly that it was a work in progress. Valid argument. However, you saying he 'pulled it out his ass' and that you possessed enough statistical knowledge to prove he was wrong are both not valid arguments.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: David McKeown on January 20, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
What's the reaction in Lurgan going to be like tonight?  Im supposed to be going to an engagement party in the railway bar but not sure if it would be the safest idea in the world
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 20, 2012, 07:38:27 PM
Seems it's been around for a while and has been accepted by various US agencies. If you know enough about statistics to show his methodology is bullshit (it might be I don't know) you should have appeared for the defence.

And how many courts?

Only the one. Antrim.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 08:06:16 PM
The one below and a couple more.

http://www.wtae.com/news/18918565/detail.html

I'm not arguing that is not a new way of analysing data, both lawyers who appeared for the defence argued similarly that it was a work in progress. Valid argument. However, you saying he 'pulled it out his ass' and that you possessed enough statistical knowledge to prove he was wrong are both not valid arguments.

As far as I'm aware the method is accepted by only one court in the world and that is the court of the state in which the Cybergenetics company is based, Pennsylvania. No other US state or European court has found it reliable enough to be used. What was being pushed at the trial that this was a new technology, they emphasised the use of this computer system to back that up, but no one in the media actually explained it was using the same low copy DNA that has been proven unreliable many times before and all Perlin has done is come up with a new way of jiggling the numbers. At the end of the day, if the sample is unreliable there is no safe way of generalising from ii or making safe conclusions based on it, no matter what way you jiggle the numbers. A bit like the tallymen at the elections looking at one constituency box and telling us who is going to win an election. It may be accurate but just as likely to be inaccurate. 
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 08:07:35 PM
What's the reaction in Lurgan going to be like tonight?  Im supposed to be going to an engagement party in the railway bar but not sure if it would be the safest idea in the world

You'll be grand. If he'd been convicted it might have been a different matter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 20, 2012, 09:07:58 PM
What's the reaction in Lurgan going to be like tonight?  Im supposed to be going to an engagement party in the railway bar but not sure if it would be the safest idea in the world

You'll be grand. If he'd been convicted it might have been a different matter.
Aye right. Act with caution.

Rule of thumb when entering the Railway, or the Snakepit as they like to call it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 20, 2012, 09:54:12 PM
Aye right. Act with caution.

Rule of thumb when entering the Railway, or the Snakepit as they like to call it.

Was in it the other week and had a right oul time. You wouldn't get Buckfast for that price down here in the big smoke or the Cellar for that matter.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: tyssam5 on January 20, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
The one below and a couple more.

http://www.wtae.com/news/18918565/detail.html

I'm not arguing that is not a new way of analysing data, both lawyers who appeared for the defence argued similarly that it was a work in progress. Valid argument. However, you saying he 'pulled it out his ass' and that you possessed enough statistical knowledge to prove he was wrong are both not valid arguments.

As far as I'm aware the method is accepted by only one court in the world and that is the court of the state in which the Cybergenetics company is based, Pennsylvania. No other US state or European court has found it reliable enough to be used. What was being pushed at the trial that this was a new technology, they emphasised the use of this computer system to back that up, but no one in the media actually explained it was using the same low copy DNA that has been proven unreliable many times before and all Perlin has done is come up with a new way of jiggling the numbers. At the end of the day, if the sample is unreliable there is no safe way of generalising from ii or making safe conclusions based on it, no matter what way you jiggle the numbers. A bit like the tallymen at the elections looking at one constituency box and telling us who is going to win an election. It may be accurate but just as likely to be inaccurate.

These are the guys that shot down the LCDNA evidence in the Sean Hoey trial, interesting reading and links

http://www.theforensicinstitute.com/news/low-copy-number-dna-and-the-forensic-institute.html

After that trial the Caddy review gave new guidelines for LCDNA use in legal cases. LCDNA brought back to acceptable status in UK courts after that, like it or not. Certainly still has plenty of detractors, judge in this case didn't like the defense 'expert', no doubt will be a subject for appeal.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 12:08:55 AM
To be honest I was certain Collie was going down when Hart allowed that evidence but was also pretty certain he'd get off on appeal. Especially because Hart convicted Paul McCaugherty last year after tape recordings of his "admission" during an MI6 sting operation went missing and he allowed 40 spooks to come into the court (anonymously) one after the other and say McCaugherty said such and such on the missing tapes. That was f**king scandalous and there was barely a word about it in the media. This was Hart's last trial before retirement and I suspect he knew if he convicted, Duffy would still walk on appeal, but I don't doubt he would have convicted if he thought he could have gotten away with it - his judgement hardly makes reference to the fact that the glove which is the only evidence that contains a full DNA profile of Duffy wasn't in the car when it was first found and inventoried. The first sworn testimony that someone saw it there only came three years later, 15 minutes before the trial started. Then there is police driver whose DNA was all over the inside of the car, despite his sworn testimony he never got into the car and then the 5 unknown DNA profiles inside the car - taking into consideration the peelers have swabbed half the country, who do they belong to? The whole thing stinks...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: illdecide on January 21, 2012, 12:25:47 AM
To be honest I was certain Collie was going down when Hart allowed that evidence but was also pretty certain he'd get off on appeal. Especially because Hart convicted Paul McCaugherty last year after tape recordings of his "admission" during an MI6 sting operation went missing and he allowed 40 spooks to come into the court (anonymously) one after the other and say McCaugherty said such and such on the missing tapes. That was f**king scandalous and there was barely a word about it in the media. This was Hart's last trial before retirement and I suspect he knew if he convicted, Duffy would still walk on appeal, but I don't doubt he would have convicted if he thought he could have gotten away with it - his judgement hardly makes reference to the fact that the glove which is the only evidence that contains a full DNA profile of Duffy wasn't in the car when it was first found and inventoried. The first sworn testimony that someone saw it there only came three years later, 15 minutes before the trial started. Then there is police driver whose DNA was all over the inside of the car, despite his sworn testimony he never got into the car and then the 5 unknown DNA profiles inside the car - taking into consideration the peelers have swabbed half the country, who do they belong to? The whole thing stinks...

I rest my case you Honour ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on January 21, 2012, 01:14:14 PM
Dont leave it unattended please. ;D
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on January 21, 2012, 02:10:30 PM
Aye right. Act with caution.

Rule of thumb when entering the Railway, or the Snakepit as they like to call it.

Was in it the other week and had a right oul time. You wouldn't get Buckfast for that price down here in the big smoke or the Cellar for that matter.
The women are predators though...

I don't understand this case, how does Shivers get found guilty but Duffy acquitted... Both have 'alledged' traces of DNA in the car. Regardless how those DNA traces got there, Duffy gets acquitted because his guilt wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt or whatever, surely Shivers is the same?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 21, 2012, 03:10:07 PM
They said the match with Chivers DNA profile was found outside the car, which places him at the scene. He claims he gave the box of matches to someone else at a meeting previous to this. The person he gave the matches to also happens to be the chief suspect.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on January 21, 2012, 05:42:09 PM
Colin Duffy says 'DNA' planted in get-away car


Prominent republican Colin Duffy, who has been cleared of murdering two soldiers in Antrim, has said he believed his DNA had been planted in the getaway car.

On Friday, Mr Duffy, 44, from Lurgan, was acquitted of murdering Mark Quinsey, 23, and Patrick Azimkar, 21 at Massereene Barracks in March 2009.

His co-accused, Brian Shivers, 46, from Magherafelt was convicted.

Mr Duffy said he had "no involvement" in the attack.

He made the comments at a news conference on Saturday.

"Let me state quite categorically here that I had no involvement with what happened at Massereene - no involvement whatsoever - and that has been vindicated in the court," he said.

"There was no credible evidence to suggest otherwise."

On Friday, the judge said he was satisfied that Mr Duffy's DNA had been found on a latex glove tip inside the car and on a seat buckle, but, he said, the prosecution had failed to link the defendant to the murder plot.

Mr Duffy told the news conference he had "never been in that car".

 
Patrick Azimkar and Mark Quinsey were murdered in March 2009 "My position has been, from the word 'go', that my DNA, was in my opinion, planted there," he said.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on January 21, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
They said the match with Chivers DNA profile was found outside the car, which places him at the scene. He claims he gave the box of matches to someone else at a meeting previous to this. The person he gave the matches to also happens to be the chief suspect.

Can you say who the chief suspect is?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 21, 2012, 07:38:18 PM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2012, 08:21:18 PM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.

Does anyone else other than Duffy and his mob reckon it was planted? What have SF said about their supporter, Brian Shivers getting sent down?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 03:21:30 AM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.

The "planted DNA" i.e. the glove tip wasn't anything to do with the "new technique". There was a full DNA profile on the glove, Duffy denies all knowledge of the glove. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he was fitted-up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on January 22, 2012, 11:07:14 AM
What confuses me about the claims that DNA was planted is why, if it was planted, they didn't plant 'proper' DNA that didn't rely on this new technique.

The "planted DNA" i.e. the glove tip wasn't anything to do with the "new technique". There was a full DNA profile on the glove, Duffy denies all knowledge of the glove. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that he was fitted-up.
So this new technique only relates to Shivers' DNA?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
And the seatbelt DNA profile of Duffy.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: screenmachine on January 22, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
To be honest if the glove tip was found on the second sweep then I would find it quite suspicious. Judging by the images in the media it wasn't exactly something you could miss easily, maybe if they missed a hair you could understand it but half a finger of a latex glove which was clearly visible to the eye couldn't be missed by forensic experts and if it was you'd have to ask serious questions about their ability to do their jobs...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: under the bar on January 22, 2012, 01:58:56 PM
Theres some bufoons in forensics too. My uncles car was hijacked during the troubles and used in a shooting.  He got it back a week later and his 10 yr old son found a hand gun under the seat.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on January 22, 2012, 03:00:31 PM
Does anyone else other than Duffy and his mob reckon it was planted?

I do. There was a thread on this Board, deleted I think in the course of my "feud" with FiveTimes, where I outlined my incredulity that Duffy was lifted for this. That was based on my limited knowledge of the republican factions in north Armagh and the absolute loathing they have for each other. Duffy was still mainstream SF until a good 8 or 9 years after the RIRA split and on more that one occasion had described them as "no more than five pound touts". For evidence that the antipathy continued you only have to look at what happened in Maghabbey after Duffy was remanded. As soon as he came onto the republican wing, the existing dissident leader (also from Lurgan) in the gaol promptly left - preferring to be in with the crims than share a wing with Duffy. After he left the "mainstream" movement he chose not to associate with the various RSF & 32CSM factions around Lurgan, later choosing to associated with Éirígí which had no presence or active members in the area. IMO its Éirígí that has been damaged most by this whole debacle as what was starting to look like a creditable alternative to SF has now been neutered in the north by being tainted with violence and association with dissidents - very different to the image they are trying to put across in the south. Éirígí was the common link between Duffy, Chivers and the chief suspect and I expect there is going to be one hell of a fall-out over this.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on January 22, 2012, 09:54:30 PM
They said the match with Chivers DNA profile was found outside the car, which places him at the scene. He claims he gave the box of matches to someone else at a meeting previous to this. The person he gave the matches to also happens to be the chief suspect.

Can you say who the chief suspect is?

Chivers named him in court as being a heavy smoker and often in Chivers home. He was referred to as a suspect who had been questioned but am not sure if the term chief suspect had ever ben used.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: JUst retired on January 23, 2012, 12:07:51 PM
He went of his own free will to the psni, gave a ststement and went home. his name is in the public domain as I have read it in newspaper reports.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: saffron sam2 on January 23, 2012, 12:32:10 PM
He went of his own free will to the psni, gave a ststement and went home. his name is in the public domain as I have read it in newspaper reports.

Is his middle name Og?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on January 27, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Two bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Am I the only one who finds it repugnant when people refer to these "Dissidents" [sic]  eg as "clowns" and "eejits" etc, who need to "wise up" and "go away" etc?

It makes them sound like wayward teenagers who go out drinking cider of an evening, then can't get up for school the next morning.

We get it all the time from Republicans, who insist they don't agree with them, but somehow cannot bring themselves to use terminology like "vermin", "scum" and "murderers" etc, which would surely be applied if talking about eg Drug Dealers or Paedophiles (or so-called "Loyalists", for that matter).
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hardy on January 27, 2012, 05:47:11 PM
Two bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Am I the only one who finds it repugnant when people refer to these "Dissidents" [sic]  eg as "clowns" and "eejits" etc, who need to "wise up" and "go away" etc?

No.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: HiMucker on January 27, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
Two bombs in Derry tonight only a matter of time before these clowns kill a few.
Am I the only one who finds it repugnant when people refer to these "Dissidents" [sic]  eg as "clowns" and "eejits" etc, who need to "wise up" and "go away" etc?

It makes them sound like wayward teenagers who go out drinking cider of an evening, then can't get up for school the next morning.

We get it all the time from Republicans, who insist they don't agree with them, but somehow cannot bring themselves to use terminology like "vermin", "scum" and "murderers" etc, which would surely be applied if talking about eg Drug Dealers or Paedophiles (or so-called "Loyalists", for that matter).
Your being paranoid.  I'm sure if you read through the various threads you will see them called many such names.  Although clowns is not the best way to describe them, I would say that that highlights the fact that many of them are complete idiots.  When you even give them the best of chances to explain their ideology and what benefit they can possibly bring to Irish society, they are completely stumped. Within seconds you will hear something along the lines of "sein fein are hypocrites, they done it before"  Yeah they also burned witches as a tradition (a similar moronic argument to the tradition argument in that orange men should march down a specific route).  The vast majority of these individuals are either idiots, thugs or gangsters and sometimes all three.  However there are a small percentage of them who, are intelligent and fully believe in their ideology.  These are the ones I would be most worried about.  Branding people like that scum, monsters etc, does nothing to change the situation.  Like a Jihadist how can you be a scum bag if you believe what your doing is right?  These people are dangerous and can influence or use the idiots to do their bidding.  I have often wondered and occasionally asked some of these people "What would you do if it was a United Ireland tomorrow?"  Some of these people think that it would be some sort of Utopian society but in truth we would just be living the same lives as we are now,  interacting with the same people, going to the same bars and most importantly involved with the same GAA club.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on January 27, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Your being paranoid.

It's you're  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on March 30, 2012, 03:16:36 PM
Two more "Clowns" found guilty of wearing red noses, squirty buttonholes and outsized boots in a big tent, one of them a Sinn Fein Councillor for the area for four years (before he ran off to join the circus...) ::)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17552797



Meanwhile, other nakedly sectarian attacks by Republican terrorists go virtually unremarked:

'IRA’ claim gun attack on border




 REPORTS OF gunmen using Kalashnikov assault rifles to shoot up the house of a Protestant family living along the Fermanagh Cavan border have sparked off fresh fears among the unionist community in the area.
 The PSNI are investigating a claim issued by the 32 County Sovereignty Committee that the self-styled South Fermanagh Brigade of the IRA fired shots at a house in the Newtownbutler area in retaliation for recent police raids on republican homes.
 Two gunmen armed with AK47 assault rifles reportedly carried out the gun attack at approximately 8pm on Tuesday night of last week.
 A caller who claimed to be from the IRA warned the PSNI that, “if they continue with their deliberate harassment and victimisation of republican families, we have no other option than to target the families belonging to them”.

http://fermanaghherald.com/2012/02/29/ira-claim-gun-attack-on-border/
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on March 30, 2012, 03:45:29 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?
Defence Counsel for the two murderers had every opportunity to ask just such a question.

Afaiaa, the answer included weapons found the next day in the boot of the car belonging to one co-defendant, along with a jacket containing forensic evidence belonging to the other co-defendant.

In other words, there being indisputable evidence linking them with the attack, the eyewitness evidence was critical only in proving that they actually carried it out.

P.S. As for the mother of one of the murderers who was charged with obstructing the police in the course of the murder investigation (by hiding her son's computer the next day), there was no evidence produced. Then again, that might have been because she pleaded Guilty...


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: lurganblue on March 30, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
The burning of cars in craigavon has already started.
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Post by: fitzroyalty on March 30, 2012, 04:08:10 PM
Didn't take long...

 I mind Wooton when he joined my school around the time I was leaving - a wee eejit running around playing with pokemon cards and messing about. Never imagined him turning into a Ra head.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on March 30, 2012, 04:38:40 PM
During his judgement, Lord Justice Girvan expressed his sympathies to Mrs Carroll. He took three weeks to assess the evidence ahead of delivering his reserved judgements.

He told Belfast Crown Court that McConville and Wootton were "active and committed supporters of a republican campaign of violence".

He said the men were "intimately involved" in the planning of the murder of Constable Carroll.

The court heard that the evidence of Witness M was crucial in convicting the two men.

He had placed McConville at the scene of the murder on the night in question. He also saw Wootton's car parked nearby and saw it leave shortly afterwards.

Mr Girvan said that Witness M's evidence had never been contradicted and called the murder a "joint enterprise".The judge said that the killing was callous and cowardly. He said that Constable Carroll was shot dead simply because he was a police officer and his identity was irrelevant to his killers.

During the trial, Wootton's mother - 39-year-old Sharon Wootton, of the same address as her son - pleaded guilty to obstructing the police investigation into the murder.

She admitted removing computer equipment from their house ahead of police searches.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Oraisteach on March 30, 2012, 04:47:19 PM
Can anyone assess the degree of support this faction has in the Nationalist community?  Is the Craigavon car-burning symptomatic of a foundation of support or is this conviction merely a pretext for delinquency and mayhem?

Have any community leaders spoken?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: nrico2006 on March 30, 2012, 06:40:48 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?
Defence Counsel for the two murderers had every opportunity to ask just such a question.

Afaiaa, the answer included weapons found the next day in the boot of the car belonging to one co-defendant, along with a jacket containing forensic evidence belonging to the other co-defendant.

In other words, there being indisputable evidence linking them with the attack, the eyewitness evidence was critical only in proving that they actually carried it out.

P.S. As for the mother of one of the murderers who was charged with obstructing the police in the course of the murder investigation (by hiding her son's computer the next day), there was no evidence produced. Then again, that might have been because she pleaded Guilty...

My thoughts as well.  I haven't followed the case to be honest, and from what I have heard the evidence they seem to be focusing on was your mans car having a locator attahced to it which pinpointed him near the scene and not much else.

Just seen a few cases lately where it didn't seem to take a lot of evidence to gain a conviction (Robert Black), while in others there was a fair bit of evidence that resulted in suspects getting off (Duffy).

Tullygally direction is a nightmare right now, trying to get back to work in Craigavon there from Lurgan and the place is going mad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Agent Orange on March 30, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
My thoughts as well.  I haven't followed the case to be honest, and from what I have heard the evidence they seem to be focusing on was your mans car having a locator attahced to it which pinpointed him near the scene and not much else.

They conveniently deleted most of the evidence from that tracker. Its a very strange case, no hard evidence, some seemongly shady enough witnesses and even shadier goings on.

Expect an appeal.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: dillinger on March 30, 2012, 09:23:38 PM
What exactly was the evidence that convicted these two of the Carrol murder?  Being in the area on the night in question and both being people who anted to free Ireland?

Didn't realize any of Ireland was in chains, and that includes The North/Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on April 03, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
Meanwhile, these clowns scum are still at the tactics they learned from you-know-who...

3 April 2012

Rosslea bomb 'attempt to intimidate Protestants'



A bomb was left in the lane outside Harold Andrews's home

An Ulster Unionist councillor has said a bomb left outside his County Fermanagh home could be part of a campaign to intimidate Protestants living in the area.

The device was found in a lane leading to Harold Andrews' house at Mullaghglass, Rosslea on Monday. Police said it was viable.

He said some Protestant families feel they are living under siege. "It's intimidating for the small Protestant population in this particular area," he said.

Mr Andrews said he had passed the bomb a couple of times in the car and had not noticed it. However, his son spotted it at noon on Monday as he drove by in a tractor.

He described it as a steel tube about nine inches long with wires coming out of it.

"During the height of the Troubles there was quite a number of families who were forced out of the area, intimidated out of the area," he said.

"Some of them had to leave because relatives were killed and their next of kin basically left the area.


"It would appear that there's certain individuals don't want the peace process to be successful and they want to turn the clock back.

"Hopefully they won't be able to achieve their aim."

Mr Andrews' family has lived in the area for four generations. He has been an Ulster Unionist councillor since 1997.

In May 2011, a gas cylinder with wires protruding out of it was left beside the road about 50 yards from the end of his lane. That turned out to be a hoax.

However, in this case the police said it was a viable device.

"It's very unsettling. It makes life very difficult for my wife and my son and myself living in the area," he said.

He said there had been a recent incident in the Newtownbutler area and the victim was convinced that the motive was to force out Protestants.

Mr Andrews said: "It would indicate that this is something similar basically to intimidate people to leave the area - I certainly won't be leaving the area anyway.

"Both communities are getting on very well in the area and it's very disappointing and it certainly doesn't help community relations. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17602073
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on May 12, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0512/psni-arrest-four-following-house-raids.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0512/psni-arrest-four-following-house-raids.html)

PSNI arrest four following house raids in Counties Tyrone and Antrim
Updated: 11:42, Saturday, 12 May 2012
 
PSNI detectives investigating alleged dissident republican activity have arrested four people in separate raids across Northern Ireland.

today police officers sealed off three houses in Co Tyrone at Pomeroy, Carrickmore and Omagh. A security swoop was also carried out on a fourth property at Toomebridge in Co Antrim.

Three men - aged 33, 44 and 44 - and a 37-year-old woman have been detained for questioning




involvement in alleged dissident republican activity and are being questioned by detectives in the Serious Crime Suite at Antrim police base.

The suspects can be held initially for up to 24 hours
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: AQMP on November 01, 2012, 10:28:22 AM
First reports suggest it was a prison officer/staff member shot near Lurgan this morning
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 01, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
'Shots fired' as man dies in M1 crashPolice believe shots may have been fired at a car which crashed on the M1 in Northern Ireland, killing a man.

DUP Justice Spokesperson Paul Givan has said he believes the man who died worked for the prison service.

The incident happened on a section of the motorway between the M12 Portadown turn-off and the Lurgan interchange, heading towards Belfast.

It happened at about 07:30GMT on Thursday.

The motorway has been closed in both directions.

Police are investigating reports of burnt out car found near Lurgan.

East Belfast MP Naomi Long has expressed her sadness following the shooting.

"It has particular ramifications for people," she said.

"It is very distressing but also very upsetting in a political way.

"What the people in Northern Ireland want is for this to be over."
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 01, 2012, 11:23:38 AM
My thoughts as well.  I haven't followed the case to be honest, and from what I have heard the evidence they seem to be focusing on was your mans car having a locator attahced to it which pinpointed him near the scene and not much else.

They conveniently deleted most of the evidence from that tracker. Its a very strange case, no hard evidence, some seemongly shady enough witnesses and even shadier goings on.

Expect an appeal.

see Gerry Conlon has been appointed chairman of the Justice for the Craigavon two campaign, believing they have been victims of a miscarriage of justice.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 01, 2012, 11:45:53 AM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 01, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Drug dealers one day, prison guards the next!! At this rate Irlend will be really free. Who's next? Seen a police man the other day eating a McDonalds!!





Clown is going to get it
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Gaffer on November 01, 2012, 05:19:27 PM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?


Hopefully the murderers will be in some barracks soon!!!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 01, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
Drug dealers one day, prison guards the next!! At this rate Irlend will be really free. Who's next? Seen a police man the other day eating a McDonalds!!





Clown is going to get it
Not much regard for other motorists. Hitting easy targets. Big victory lads, well done.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Aaron Boone on November 01, 2012, 10:54:33 PM
A lot of soul-searching tonight. A very well-planned hit against the Prison Service. It wasn't in any security planning this time last night.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on November 02, 2012, 08:23:07 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20177660 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20177660)

Two arrests in Lurgan area.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theskull1 on November 02, 2012, 09:03:32 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on November 02, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Also, why Lurgan, what is so 'special' about Lurgan that has gained such a following for the Dissidents?
Is it lack or opportunity for the young people or serious influence from leaders in the community, just wondering as I dont know the town that well at all.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on November 02, 2012, 09:31:13 AM
Duffy....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:35:16 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:41:55 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:45:48 AM
Also, why Lurgan, what is so 'special' about Lurgan that has gained such a following for the Dissidents?
Is it lack or opportunity for the young people or serious influence from leaders in the community, just wondering as I dont know the town that well at all.

I wouldn't say there are any more in Lurgan than another town of comparable size but the long tradition of republican activism there means the few that are about are experienced and tightly knitted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 09:46:54 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: seafoid on November 02, 2012, 09:47:50 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.

Perspective. Yeah, prisoners in a jail are struggling to get their drugs smuggled in or get the ride, so we'll kill some old fella.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: NAG1 on November 02, 2012, 10:15:21 AM
Duffy....

How would one man have as much influence as that HS I am just trying to understand it, there are staunch places all over the place but none seem to be as militant as Lurgan.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: omagh_gael on November 02, 2012, 10:16:16 AM
@Bingo...the protest is about the end of strip searches not what you have stated. Not to say i support or condone what happened yesterday, f**king tubes need strung up.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: hardstation on November 02, 2012, 10:17:30 AM
Duffy....

How would one man have as much influence as that HS I am just trying to understand it, there are staunch places all over the place but none seem to be as militant as Lurgan.
Sorry, that wasn't an answer to you. Just heard he was lifted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: playwiththewind1st on November 02, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?

Not quite lunchtime, but not far off it, apparently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: angermanagement on November 02, 2012, 10:28:51 AM
Duffy....

How would one man have as much influence as that HS I am just trying to understand it, there are staunch places all over the place but none seem to be as militant as Lurgan.
Sorry, that wasn't an answer to you. Just heard he was lifted.

Didn't take long for him to be lifted.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/republican-colin-duffy-arrested-in-hunt-for-m1-ambush-killers-of-prison-officer-david-black-16233140.html
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2012, 10:41:17 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.

Perspective. Yeah, prisoners in a jail are struggling to get their drugs smuggled in or get the ride, so we'll kill some old fella.

tube
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 10:49:58 AM
I'd love to know what these gangsters think Ireland would look like if they freed it?

How many in Lurgan are living in their warped world?

It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.

You trying to justify it with the above?

No just answering a question with a bit of perspective.

Perspective. Yeah, prisoners in a jail are struggling to get their drugs smuggled in or get the ride, so we'll kill some old fella.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Club Rossa on November 02, 2012, 11:09:13 AM
Man lifted in Ardboe,raided the house at 1.55am this morning.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Bingo on November 02, 2012, 11:19:37 AM
Hahaha, the expected repsonse.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 11:28:55 AM
It's nothing to do with freeing Ireland. Killing a screw is obviously directly related to the ongoing protest in Maghaberry. An agreement reached two years ago still has not been implemented despite a number of legal and legitimate protests. Was only a matter of time before it stepped up another level.
So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct in your opening assertion, do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score"?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: haveaharp on November 02, 2012, 11:35:31 AM
One way to avoid being stripped searched i guess would be to get with the rest of the population and stop the activities that lands one in such an environment.

Maybe that is a leap too far for those involved.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

The Prison "Service" up here hasn't recruited any new members since 1994 meaning the vast majority (something like 80%+) are over 25 years in and over 60% have been there 30+ years. An RUC style clear-out of the old guard never happened, so a lot of these boys are still fighting the war 18 years later and still getting the danger-money they received pre-ceasefires. That puts the majority of them there during the Hunger Strikes and the 1983 leg-breakings and torture. It's probably them who have resisted the implementation of the 2010 strip search agreement by refusing to operate the a BOSS chair and continuing to use full body cavity searches as a matter of routine. The thing that's missed about the current protest is that the prisoners are not objecting to strip searching in principle, only to the frequency as to which it's happening e.g. in a day in which a prisoner goes to the canteen and takes a visit, he could be subjected to forced full body cavity search 6 or 8 times. That in my opinion is humiliating, degrading and completely unnecessary when there is a BOSS chair there which could be used instead. The screws are using strip searches for the same reasons they did "back in the (good old) day", to assert power, dominance and torture - I can think of no other reason. 

Someone else on this tread asked why there are so many dissidents around the Lurgan area, well things like this feed into it and give them a sense of grievance. Prison protests give them a sense of legitimacy and continuity going back to before the Tan War, the mass hunger strikes of the 20s and 30s, executions in the 40's and hunger strikes again in the 70s & 80s. May be bollocks but a lot of people are prepared to buy into it when they see the parallels.  Duffy is the perfect example. Pre-Massereene he was confining himself to political activism with the likes of Éirígí. After two years on protest he gets out, ditches Éirígí and publicly aligns himself violent dissidents.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 12:26:31 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

The Prison "Service" up here hasn't recruited any new members since 1994 meaning the vast majority (something like 80%+) are over 25 years in and over 60% have been there 30+ years. An RUC style clear-out of the old guard never happened, so a lot of these boys are still fighting the war 18 years later and still getting the danger-money they received pre-ceasefires. That puts the majority of them there during the Hunger Strikes and the 1983 leg-breakings and torture. It's probably them who have resisted the implementation of the 2010 strip search agreement by refusing to operate the a BOSS chair and continuing to use full body cavity searches as a matter of routine. The thing that's missed about the current protest is that the prisoners are not objecting to strip searching in principle, only to the frequency as to which it's happening e.g. in a day in which a prisoner goes to the canteen and takes a visit, he could be subjected to forced full body cavity search 6 or 8 times. That in my opinion is humiliating, degrading and completely unnecessary when there is a BOSS chair there which could be used instead. The screws are using strip searches for the same reasons they did "back in the (good old) day", to assert power, dominance and torture - I can think of no other reason. 

Someone else on this tread asked why there are so many dissidents around the Lurgan area, well things like this feed into it and give them a sense of grievance. Prison protests give them a sense of legitimacy and continuity going back to before the Tan War, the mass hunger strikes of the 20s and 30s, executions in the 40's and hunger strikes again in the 70s & 80s. May be bollocks but a lot of people are prepared to buy into it when they see the parallels.  Duffy is the perfect example. Pre-Massereene he was confining himself to political activism with the likes of Éirígí. After two years on protest he gets out, ditches Éirígí and publicly aligns himself violent dissidents.
You clearly have an interest in this topic and imply detailed knowledge.

Therefore any chance you could reply to my two simple queries in post #724, above?

Just in case you missed them, they were:
So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score"?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Hereiam on November 02, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
Ulick u have hit the nail on the head with that post.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/nov/01/murdered-northern-ireland-prison-officer-orange

His concerns were shared by the head of the Prison Officers' Association of Northern Ireland, Finlay Spratt, who claimed the government had put his members in the firing line by reducing their security. "They have stripped away all the security around prison officers. They treat us now as if we live in normal society," he said.

The Prison "Service" up here hasn't recruited any new members since 1994 meaning the vast majority (something like 80%+) are over 25 years in and over 60% have been there 30+ years. An RUC style clear-out of the old guard never happened, so a lot of these boys are still fighting the war 18 years later and still getting the danger-money they received pre-ceasefires. That puts the majority of them there during the Hunger Strikes and the 1983 leg-breakings and torture. It's probably them who have resisted the implementation of the 2010 strip search agreement by refusing to operate the a BOSS chair and continuing to use full body cavity searches as a matter of routine. The thing that's missed about the current protest is that the prisoners are not objecting to strip searching in principle, only to the frequency as to which it's happening e.g. in a day in which a prisoner goes to the canteen and takes a visit, he could be subjected to forced full body cavity search 6 or 8 times. That in my opinion is humiliating, degrading and completely unnecessary when there is a BOSS chair there which could be used instead. The screws are using strip searches for the same reasons they did "back in the (good old) day", to assert power, dominance and torture - I can think of no other reason. 
Yet if I understand correctly, those who murdered this man wouldn't be that interested in reform of the Prison Service, in the same way that the "RUC style clear-out" didn't stop them targeting PSNI officers.

And the motivation may have been the strip search issue. But it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
Yet if I understand correctly, those who murdered this man wouldn't be that interested in reform of the Prison Service, in the same way that the "RUC style clear-out" didn't stop them targeting PSNI officers.

And the motivation may have been the strip search issue. But it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I've no idea whether they want reform or not but it's there for all to see that an agreement was reached in 2010 which was subsequently reneged on. When similar protests failed in the 70s and 80s the inevitable result was the targeting for screws on the outside.

My point is that the prison regime is contributing to support for the dissidents on the outside by radicalising people who may otherwise not have bothered. All of those prisoners have friends and relations on the outside who are being drawn into supporting the protest on humanitarian grounds. For their troubles they are vilified by all and sundry for their association with the prisoners despite the fact they may not even have been convicted. In such circumstances it's easy to see why they might start to veer towards the dissidents. I've seen this happen with the relations of the many Lurgan prisoners currently in Maghaberry.

The prison boss appealing for Catholic applicants means nothing. The RUC and UDR did it for years and had no effect and it will have no effect until it's cleared out or disbanded in the same way as the RUC and UDR.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Club Rossa on November 02, 2012, 12:58:07 PM
Correction,the house in Ardboe was raided but nobody lifted.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:00:50 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:01:37 PM
Yet if I understand correctly, those who murdered this man wouldn't be that interested in reform of the Prison Service, in the same way that the "RUC style clear-out" didn't stop them targeting PSNI officers.

And the motivation may have been the strip search issue. But it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I've no idea whether they want reform or not but it's there for all to see that an agreement was reached in 2010 which was subsequently reneged on. When similar protests failed in the 70s and 80s the inevitable result was the targeting for screws on the outside.

My point is that the prison regime is contributing to support for the dissidents on the outside by radicalising people who may otherwise not have bothered. All of those prisoners have friends and relations on the outside who are being drawn into supporting the protest on humanitarian grounds. For their troubles they are vilified by all and sundry for their association with the prisoners despite the fact they may not even have been convicted. In such circumstances it's easy to see why they might start to veer towards the dissidents. I've seen this happen with the relations of the many Lurgan prisoners currently in Maghaberry.

The prison boss appealing for Catholic applicants means nothing. The RUC and UDR did it for years and had no effect and it will have no effect until it's cleared out or disbanded in the same way as the RUC and UDR.
Maybe not, but an incident like this will won't help either.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:02:22 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:03:46 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:04:58 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
So what was my point?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 01:13:04 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
So what was my point?
Try to stop behaving like your talking to a child.

Though I suppose we can't all be as smart as wot you are.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
it also coincides with Prison Service boss appealing for Catholic applicants only a few days ago:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20088779

I'd say that's a comforting thought when you're in the middle of getting your fourth or fifth cavity search of the day.
I'm not sure what your point is - i'm fairly sure you've missed mine.

I'm fairly sure I haven't.
So what was my point?
Try to stop behaving like your talking to a child.

Though I suppose we can't all be as smart as wot you are.
Who's claiming to be smart? Your response to my comment made no sense - i'm trying to understand your logic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 02:25:14 PM


I've no idea whether they want reform or not but it's there for all to see that an agreement was reached in 2010 which was subsequently reneged on. When similar protests failed in the 70s and 80s the inevitable result was the targeting for screws on the outside.

My point is that the prison regime is contributing to support for the dissidents on the outside by radicalising people who may otherwise not have bothered. All of those prisoners have friends and relations on the outside who are being drawn into supporting the protest on humanitarian grounds. For their troubles they are vilified by all and sundry for their association with the prisoners despite the fact they may not even have been convicted. In such circumstances it's easy to see why they might start to veer towards the dissidents. I've seen this happen with the relations of the many Lurgan prisoners currently in Maghaberry.

The prison boss appealing for Catholic applicants means nothing. The RUC and UDR did it for years and had no effect and it will have no effect until it's cleared out or disbanded in the same way as the RUC and UDR.
So, I see you're still declining to answer the questions I put to you in #724 and #727, namely:

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Come on now, Donagh Ulick, you seem to have plenty to say on this topic otherwise, why so coy about this particular aspect?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:39:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 02:46:03 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

I don't agree. I think they are trying to provide some wider context for the tragic event. A failure to learn the lessons of history is what has brought about this sorry mess in the first place. The removal of the dignity of any human being is not, and never will be, a good idea.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
Maybe so -- but what has them buckos in jail in the first place ?
How many did they rob of dignity?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2012, 02:53:00 PM
Maybe so -- but what has them buckos in jail in the first place ?
How many did they rob of dignity?

A lot of those people in Maghaberry jail are interned and have not faced court yet.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: orangeman on November 02, 2012, 02:59:08 PM
Gerry Kelly was on UTV last night condemning the killing of the prison officer.


The presenter let him condemn it left, right and centre.

Then asked him about the time he shot a prison officer in the head during the prison break in 1983.

Was it deliberate to put Gerry Kelly up for interview given his history of shooting the prison officer or do SF just not care anymore and believe that they can justify it by saying that was then, this is now and we shouldn't be doing this sort of thing anymore ?. It's peacetime. So just do as we say.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: theticklemister on November 02, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

Blow it out your hole you judgmental p***k. I fully support the peace process. I don't condone what happened yesterday. My posts simply echo what Ulick said, which is that as a result of an agreement to end inhumane treatment being reneged on, it was likely that there was sooner or later going to be a dramatic reaction to this escalation in tensions between the prisoners/their supporters and the prison officers. This basic understanding is strengthened by the fact that claims were made in a court earlier in the year that prisoners were feeding details about prison officers to Lurgan dissidents on the outside. It is further strengthened by the fact that it is simply history repeating itself in terms of how prisoners are treated and how they will likely respond to it. A basic understanding that things were only getting worse and that it would probably end in bloodshed doesn't indicate support for things like yesterdays killing, no matter how much so many clueless,  sanctimonious pricks like yourself seem to believe.
I've reported this to the Moderator.

Ye tell the teacher too??
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:06:43 PM
I fully support the peace process. I don't condone what happened yesterday. My posts simply echo what Ulick said, which is that as a result of an agreement to end inhumane treatment being reneged on, it was likely that there was sooner or later going to be a dramatic reaction to this escalation in tensions between the prisoners/their supporters and the prison officers. This basic understanding is strengthened by the fact that claims were made in a court earlier in the year that prisoners were feeding details about prison officers to Lurgan dissidents on the outside. It is further strengthened by the fact that it is simply history repeating itself in terms of how prisoners are treated and how they will likely respond to it. A basic understanding that things were only getting worse and that it would probably end in bloodshed doesn't indicate support for things like yesterdays killing, no matter how much so many clueless,  sanctimonious pricks like yourself seem to believe.
OK, so you don't condone yesterday's murder, sorry, I mean killing, nor should your (carefully constructed) comments be taken to imply support for it, we get* that.

But here's a simple question. Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?


* - Whether we're all persuaded by it is another matter, of course  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 02, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

Worse obviously, what is going on in the prison system in the north is reprehensible, an agreement was reached 2 years ago and has yet to be implemented, why?

The scum that killed this guard have put innocent citizens at risk for a tit for tat killing, I hope they find these scumbags and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

We can never allow the filth to bring us down the path we were on before peace broke out, those who would undermine the peace process need to be weeded out and put away.

There is no need for cavity searches these days, none whatsoever however killing prison guards is not the answer, it is never the answer!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:16:05 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Well just so I don't fall prey to fanciful thinking, can you answer the simple question I posed to you above, namely:
Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:17:05 PM
I fully support the peace process. I don't condone what happened yesterday. My posts simply echo what Ulick said, which is that as a result of an agreement to end inhumane treatment being reneged on, it was likely that there was sooner or later going to be a dramatic reaction to this escalation in tensions between the prisoners/their supporters and the prison officers. This basic understanding is strengthened by the fact that claims were made in a court earlier in the year that prisoners were feeding details about prison officers to Lurgan dissidents on the outside. It is further strengthened by the fact that it is simply history repeating itself in terms of how prisoners are treated and how they will likely respond to it. A basic understanding that things were only getting worse and that it would probably end in bloodshed doesn't indicate support for things like yesterdays killing, no matter how much so many clueless,  sanctimonious pricks like yourself seem to believe.
OK, so you don't condone yesterday's murder, sorry, I mean killing, nor should your (carefully constructed) comments be taken to imply support for it, we get* that.

But here's a simple question. Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?


* - Whether we're all persuaded by it is another matter, of course  ::)

So if he does condemn the killing of the guard you wont believe him anyway?? why should he bother then????

I have a question or two for you, do you think it is right to have these prisoners subjected to body searches multiple times daily, and do you think that since the equipment is there to eradicate the need for such searches, the guards no longer need to do such searches??

Finally, do you think it immoral that an agreement was reached two years ago to use machines instead of degrading these men and as of now they are not being universally used in prisons in the north?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 03:21:20 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

Rossfan, unless you have something useful to contribute you really should keep quiet while the adults are talking. Good lad.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Well just so I don't fall prey to fanciful thinking, can you answer the simple question I posed to you above, namely:
Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?

Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. The fact is right now that with ALL the parties unreservedly condemning this action, this perversely seems to be all they can do. We've come full circle. The fact is that the treatment of those prisoners is inhumane and that is, and should be, an embarrassment to anyone purporting to run a so called normal society. Can someone please answer the question as to how our f*ckin authorities, knowing what they know about the past result of such cycles of behavior, took no action to prevent this deteriorating into the sorry mess it now is where a man has lost his life? It's pathetic.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rois on November 02, 2012, 03:32:07 PM
Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. T

We were listening to the radio on the way into work this morn and it sounded like a report from the early 90s.

Prison officer shot dead, man arrested for murder of Robert McCartney and charged with IRA membership...pretty depressing.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:36:33 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.
Well just so I don't fall prey to fanciful thinking, can you answer the simple question I posed to you above, namely:
Do you condemn the killing of the Prison Officer?

Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. The fact is right now that with ALL the parties unreservedly condemning this action, this perversely seems to be all they can do. We've come full circle. The fact is that the treatment of those prisoners is inhumane and that is, and should be, an embarrassment to anyone purporting to run a so called normal society. Can someone please answer the question as to how our f*ckin authorities, knowing what they know about the past result of such cycles of behavior, took no action to prevent this deteriorating into the sorry mess it now is where a man has lost his life? It's pathetic.

Well said that man, perfectly put!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 03:36:55 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 03:39:08 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?
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Poor taste as usual.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2012, 03:45:03 PM
Oh ffs, we're back to the 1980's again with the politics of condemnation. T

We were listening to the radio on the way into work this morn and it sounded like a report from the early 90s.

Prison officer shot dead, man arrested for murder of Robert McCartney and charged with IRA membership...pretty depressing.
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And prisoners still getting treated inhumanily like back in the 1980s , depressing indeed.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 03:53:46 PM
So if [Nally] does condemn the killing of the guard you wont believe him anyway?? why should he bother then????
If and when he tells me that he condemns it, I will respond as to whether I accept his condemnation or not.
Then everyone else may judge for themselves which of us, if either, is being truthful, consistent and sincere on this matter.

I have a question or two for you, do you think it is right to have these prisoners subjected to body searches multiple times daily, and do you think that since the equipment is there to eradicate the need for such searches, the guards no longer need to do such searches??

Finally, do you think it immoral that an agreement was reached two years ago to use machines instead of degrading these men and as of now they are not being universally used in prisons in the north?
I find it difficult to answer those two questions in simple terms, for two reasons.

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry. Nor am I prepared to accept at face value the propaganda over it put about by the prisoners in the jail, nor their supporters outside, including it would seem, on this site.

The second is more a matter of judgement than fact. No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided. But there undoubtedly are prison visitors who would entirely voluntarily smuggle weapons etc to very dangerous prisoners, who themselves would have no qualms in using them to kill other prisoners or Prison Officers. Therefore it is these people (visitors and prisoners) who are ultimately responsible for full body searches having to be carried out.

Which leads on to the next question, that of using machines to conduct the searches. I have no idea how efficient or practical these machines are. Assuming they can do the job at least as accurately as humans then they should be introduced as quickly as feasible. However, should there be any doubt about this, then the safety of Prison Officers and Prisoners must take priority over the dignity of visitors.

Finally, whatever the ins-and-outs of the Agreement, and whether it was reneged upon etc, this matter is the responsibility of the Prisons Minister, David Forde. And whatever else he may be, I assume him to be a decent, humane man, who is not instinctively hostile to Republican prisoners. Nor do I believe he would 'play games' on so serious a matter as this.

Therefore I cannot give a definitive answer to either of your questions.

I can like you, however, condemn without reservation the foul murder of the Prison Officer yesterday.

Oh that everyone else on here could do the same...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: arsecandle on November 02, 2012, 03:54:29 PM
lets be honest,if a single nuclear missle strike hit the centre of lurgan town centre without warning would anyone miss the place????
meanwhile the prison officials at magaberry should do a prisoner swap with sherrif joe apiro in arizona.we send out there some of our so called political prisoners while we get illegal mexican immigrants in return.then these dissident republicans really will have something to fckin complain about.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 02, 2012, 03:55:31 PM
So by shooting and killing this prison guard, will it make it better or worse? Hmmmm let me think.....

I didn't say it would make conditions better of or worse. I'm simply saying that something like yesterday, going by the lessons of history and going by the accusations in court I referred to earlier, it was always a possibility to have happened. Some lads around here just can't seem to grasp that, but would rather throw around fanciful accusations of condoning it.

I think that the searches that are going on should be stopped, going through the airport you get examined now by a full body search machine and I only have to take my shoes off for it.

I can grasp that killing people is not the answer. But whatever floats your boat
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: sheamy on November 02, 2012, 04:00:30 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:01:12 PM
Poor Ulick and Nally are still trying to come to terms with Marty McG condemning this killing and all behind it.
They are obviously not as good at back somersaulting as their leaders  :-[

Rossfan, unless you have something useful to contribute you really should keep quiet while the adults are talking. Good lad.
For someone who has so much to say on this thread Donagh Ulick, you are strangely reticent when it comes to answering the (one-word answer) questions which I have now posed to you three times (#724, #727, #742).

Anyhow, before I begin to feel compelled to deduce for myself your answers, I'll give you another opportunity:

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: LeoMc on November 02, 2012, 04:05:13 PM
What odds on Colin Duffy being inside Antrim barracks by lunchtime?

Not quite lunchtime, but not far off it, apparently.

So what time do the Lurgan riots commence?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 04:09:18 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?

Blog from SDLP member Emmet Doyle

When I thought I couldn't be shocked:
 
Last Thursday I again found myself in the bleak surroundings of Roe House, Maghaberry Prison. Pat Ramsey and I went to visit some of the men, including Gerry McGeough. I thought that the shell-chocking effect of the place had hit me hard my first few visits, and that I couldn't be shocked any further. Boy was I mistaken.

Usually, we enter Roe at landing four, and enter the Recreation Room to meet individuals and groups. It is a much larger, cleaner and more modern space. Akin, strangely, to my old school canteen. Not this time. We were led by the SO upstairs, to Roe 3 as the Officers and external staff were cleaning the floor on Roe 4, as a result of the on-going protest, and given it was early in the morning, the stench was almost overpowering.

At the foot of the stairs were bags and bags of Acro - the organic absorbent compound used to soak up urine on the floors, which is then hoovered up. As we descended, the clean, modern facade of Roe began to fade away. What I can only describe as a total mess, was piled up outside a cleaners store just before the security gate. An iron, cables, it was like someone had flytipped in the middle of the hall. Granted, they were all on a shelf, which I could spot after about ten seconds of looking, but this is supposed to be a Category A facility where human beings were held, it was a total travesty.

At the top of the stairs and through the first door, we had to wait until the gate was opened by Officers clad in CSI-white overalls, walkie-talkies and batons. Once on the landing, we were led to the "classroom". I use inverted commas, primarily because there is no way on earth the room we were led to could be said to be a classroom. Other than the electronic whiteboard on the wall and the whiteboard on the floor at the back of the room with Irish on it, the only other thing that was in the room was dirt.

The desks must have been brought in from Long Kesh, they were so old. The computers at the back of the room, though they looked relatively modern, were covered in cobwebs and debris. On the wall was a canvass picture - of a red telephone box and Big Ben - ironic, I thought.

We met Gerry first, as always in good spirits and friendly, despite the obvious hardship he has endured. We all spoke for about 40 minutes, then we met a few other men, all who raised issues about the primary issue coming out of Maghaberry at present - healthcare.

That is a conversation for another day. After the meetings had ended, we emerged from the cave which was deemed a classroom, and were once again on the landing, smell and spray [which has brought me out in a rash again this week] right in our faces. It was lunchtime, and the Officers set about going to give the men their plastic covered food.

Pat set off down the right side of Roe, seeking out two opened cells at the bottom of the wing - one cleaned, one dirty. I set out down the left side, seeking out the new machine that was being used below to clean the cells, which had been causing annoyance to both staff and prisoners as it was used in conjunction with a diesel generator, and the fumes in such an encolsed area were not pleasant.

I couldn't get downstairs, but I asked one of the officers to go down and see if he could get me the name of the machine, its make, serial number, any markings on it. He re-appeared a few minutes later, but with no information. I wasn't leaving without it.

Pat came back up the landing from one of the dirty cells, shaking his head. I had caught a glimpse of the cell on way down to see if I could get downstairs, and would be lying if I said I wasn't physically afraid of going to look into it.

When we were 'spun out' of the landing [the process whereby one officer has to radio another officer in another part of the building to release the turnstyles to let us out] we went back downstairs, though locked back from the landing on Roe 4. I asked to see the SO, to get the information I had sought about this machine, while making notes about the cleaning products and absorbent material being used for the protest cleanup. Again, no joy.

Surprisingly, and I have to give credit where it is due - one of the external workers, about my age, came right up to the gate and asked what I was looking for - I repeated, the name, serial number, model of the new cleaner - and he came back a few minutes later with the information on a post-it.

As we left, escorted by an Officer to the exit of the compound, that feeling of not wanting to leave but impatient to get out of the harrowing building again visited me, and Pat also, as it always did. As we walked up the driveway towards the main gate, the follow-up plans flowed, as they always did, what was next to address the issues raised, which family members did we need to phone.

Let no-one tell you that the men there, and indeed all prisoners regardless of colour, creed or nationality have no-one standing up for them in the Assembly - because we left the Quakers after a near two-hour visit to Roe and after getting our first food of the day (and toilet break given we are not permitted to use facilities in the prison) and drove straight to Parliament Buildings to address what we could from there.

I know that eight or nine Deputies are to visit Roe within the coming weeks - something made possible by the changing of prison rules that we had worked on for months to allow TDs equal access to Northern prisons as MLAs and MPs have. That will be important for all in Roe - to know that honourable men and women North and South have not forgotten.

I'll finish by saying the intense itching in the car to Stormont and the rash and boils underneath my beard following the visit as a result of the spray, have now ceased, but I don't know how they do it.

Never forget
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:12:32 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does
I gave as honest, open and comprehensive an answer as I could.

It is telling that you decline to "play the ball" and instead revert to "playing the man".

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided
You question my assertion, above.

Does that mean you believe Prison Officers enjoy going to work each day in the knowledge that they have to carry out such disgusting and degrading duties?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:18:06 PM
So if [Nally] does condemn the killing of the guard you wont believe him anyway?? why should he bother then????
If and when he tells me that he condemns it, I will respond as to whether I accept his condemnation or not.
Then everyone else may judge for themselves which of us, if either, is being truthful, consistent and sincere on this matter.

I have a question or two for you, do you think it is right to have these prisoners subjected to body searches multiple times daily, and do you think that since the equipment is there to eradicate the need for such searches, the guards no longer need to do such searches??

Finally, do you think it immoral that an agreement was reached two years ago to use machines instead of degrading these men and as of now they are not being universally used in prisons in the north?
I find it difficult to answer those two questions in simple terms, for two reasons.

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry. Nor am I prepared to accept at face value the propaganda over it put about by the prisoners in the jail, nor their supporters outside, including it would seem, on this site.

The second is more a matter of judgement than fact. No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided. But there undoubtedly are prison visitors who would entirely voluntarily smuggle weapons etc to very dangerous prisoners, who themselves would have no qualms in using them to kill other prisoners or Prison Officers. Therefore it is these people (visitors and prisoners) who are ultimately responsible for full body searches having to be carried out.

Which leads on to the next question, that of using machines to conduct the searches. I have no idea how efficient or practical these machines are. Assuming they can do the job at least as accurately as humans then they should be introduced as quickly as feasible. However, should there be any doubt about this, then the safety of Prison Officers and Prisoners must take priority over the dignity of visitors.

Finally, whatever the ins-and-outs of the Agreement, and whether it was reneged upon etc, this matter is the responsibility of the Prisons Minister, David Forde. And whatever else he may be, I assume him to be a decent, humane man, who is not instinctively hostile to Republican prisoners. Nor do I believe he would 'play games' on so serious a matter as this.

Therefore I cannot give a definitive answer to either of your questions.

I can like you, however, condemn without reservation the foul murder of the Prison Officer yesterday.

Oh that everyone else on here could do the same...

EG, that is a well thought out response, measured and to be honest you shoulod be running for office, on other threads you have no problem jumping to conclusions when it suits you? look at your stance on  Finucane for example, you have absolutely no problem calling him a terrorist, no measured response there.

Let me help you with the facts, a simple google search will tell you all you need to know about these machines and what they are capable of, takes the guesswork out of the equation don't you think?

Second, why can you not answer the second question, an agreement was reached and the PO have failed to implement the agreement, is that immoral or not given the power of google you have at your fingertips?

Finally, if anyone can condone the murder of this Prison officer they are sick in the head, there is no excuse for his execution and now we have another family who is needlessly mourning the loss of a loved one at the hands of despicable cnuts who have no right to be a part of society!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:21:21 PM
Never forget
Have you forgotten #724, #727, #742, #772, Donagh Ulick?

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Why the reluctance to answer what are simple, straightforward questions?  ::)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:21:34 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does


Well said Sheamy, this guy should be running for office as a DUP candidate for East Belfast  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Maguire01 on November 02, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?

Blog from SDLP member Emmet Doyle

When I thought I couldn't be shocked:
 
Last Thursday I again found myself in the bleak surroundings of Roe House, Maghaberry Prison. Pat Ramsey and I went to visit some of the men, including Gerry McGeough. I thought that the shell-chocking effect of the place had hit me hard my first few visits, and that I couldn't be shocked any further. Boy was I mistaken.

Usually, we enter Roe at landing four, and enter the Recreation Room to meet individuals and groups. It is a much larger, cleaner and more modern space. Akin, strangely, to my old school canteen. Not this time. We were led by the SO upstairs, to Roe 3 as the Officers and external staff were cleaning the floor on Roe 4, as a result of the on-going protest, and given it was early in the morning, the stench was almost overpowering.

At the foot of the stairs were bags and bags of Acro - the organic absorbent compound used to soak up urine on the floors, which is then hoovered up. As we descended, the clean, modern facade of Roe began to fade away. What I can only describe as a total mess, was piled up outside a cleaners store just before the security gate. An iron, cables, it was like someone had flytipped in the middle of the hall. Granted, they were all on a shelf, which I could spot after about ten seconds of looking, but this is supposed to be a Category A facility where human beings were held, it was a total travesty.

At the top of the stairs and through the first door, we had to wait until the gate was opened by Officers clad in CSI-white overalls, walkie-talkies and batons. Once on the landing, we were led to the "classroom". I use inverted commas, primarily because there is no way on earth the room we were led to could be said to be a classroom. Other than the electronic whiteboard on the wall and the whiteboard on the floor at the back of the room with Irish on it, the only other thing that was in the room was dirt.

The desks must have been brought in from Long Kesh, they were so old. The computers at the back of the room, though they looked relatively modern, were covered in cobwebs and debris. On the wall was a canvass picture - of a red telephone box and Big Ben - ironic, I thought.

We met Gerry first, as always in good spirits and friendly, despite the obvious hardship he has endured. We all spoke for about 40 minutes, then we met a few other men, all who raised issues about the primary issue coming out of Maghaberry at present - healthcare.

That is a conversation for another day. After the meetings had ended, we emerged from the cave which was deemed a classroom, and were once again on the landing, smell and spray [which has brought me out in a rash again this week] right in our faces. It was lunchtime, and the Officers set about going to give the men their plastic covered food.

Pat set off down the right side of Roe, seeking out two opened cells at the bottom of the wing - one cleaned, one dirty. I set out down the left side, seeking out the new machine that was being used below to clean the cells, which had been causing annoyance to both staff and prisoners as it was used in conjunction with a diesel generator, and the fumes in such an encolsed area were not pleasant.

I couldn't get downstairs, but I asked one of the officers to go down and see if he could get me the name of the machine, its make, serial number, any markings on it. He re-appeared a few minutes later, but with no information. I wasn't leaving without it.

Pat came back up the landing from one of the dirty cells, shaking his head. I had caught a glimpse of the cell on way down to see if I could get downstairs, and would be lying if I said I wasn't physically afraid of going to look into it.

When we were 'spun out' of the landing [the process whereby one officer has to radio another officer in another part of the building to release the turnstyles to let us out] we went back downstairs, though locked back from the landing on Roe 4. I asked to see the SO, to get the information I had sought about this machine, while making notes about the cleaning products and absorbent material being used for the protest cleanup. Again, no joy.

Surprisingly, and I have to give credit where it is due - one of the external workers, about my age, came right up to the gate and asked what I was looking for - I repeated, the name, serial number, model of the new cleaner - and he came back a few minutes later with the information on a post-it.

As we left, escorted by an Officer to the exit of the compound, that feeling of not wanting to leave but impatient to get out of the harrowing building again visited me, and Pat also, as it always did. As we walked up the driveway towards the main gate, the follow-up plans flowed, as they always did, what was next to address the issues raised, which family members did we need to phone.

Let no-one tell you that the men there, and indeed all prisoners regardless of colour, creed or nationality have no-one standing up for them in the Assembly - because we left the Quakers after a near two-hour visit to Roe and after getting our first food of the day (and toilet break given we are not permitted to use facilities in the prison) and drove straight to Parliament Buildings to address what we could from there.

I know that eight or nine Deputies are to visit Roe within the coming weeks - something made possible by the changing of prison rules that we had worked on for months to allow TDs equal access to Northern prisons as MLAs and MPs have. That will be important for all in Roe - to know that honourable men and women North and South have not forgotten.

I'll finish by saying the intense itching in the car to Stormont and the rash and boils underneath my beard following the visit as a result of the spray, have now ceased, but I don't know how they do it.

Never forget
Am I reading this right - the problem is as a result of the prisoners' protest?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:34:04 PM
Never forget
Have you forgotten #724, #727, #742, #772, Donagh Ulick?

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Why the reluctance to answer what are simple, straightforward questions?  ::)

I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!

Now why do you flip flop when it suits you, why do you refuse to jump to conclusions when it suits you?

Finally, remember the anniversary thread........................... you forgot to mention that the Miami Showband killings on the anniversary thread you started!, newsflash, both atrocities happened on the same day/different years!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:42:38 PM
EG, that is a well thought out response, measured and to be honest you shoulod be running for office, on other threads you have no problem jumping to conclusions when it suits you? look at your stance on  Finucane for example, you have absolutely no problem calling him a terrorist, no measured response there.
Re Finucane, I have very good reason for believing that he was the Provos' "in-house lawyer" (so-to-speak). And whilst I don't expect people here to take that at face value, nor care if they don't, that informs my attitude towards him and his murder*.
As for Maghaberry, that is not so straightforward a topic (for me, at any rate).

* - Which I am quite happy to condemn, btw.

Let me help you with the facts, a simple google search will tell you all you need to know about these machines and what they are capable of, takes the guesswork out of the equation don't you think?

Second, why can you not answer the second question, an agreement was reached and the PO have failed to implement the agreement, is that immoral or not given the power of google you have at your fingertips?
Ah right, a few minutes Googling, and this whole thing could be cleared up just like that.

Have to made this suggestion to David Forde?

Or do you not trust or accept that he might want to get this sorted in a fair, prompt and efficient manner?

Finally, if anyone can condone the murder of this Prison officer they are sick in the head, there is no excuse for his execution and now we have another family who is needlessly mourning the loss of a loved one at the hands of despicable cnuts who have no right to be a part of society!
I'm pleased that we can at least agree on this.

But assuming the Maghaberry dispute were resolved, I still can't help wondering whether the Dissidents [sic], both inside and outside the jail, would then accept that Prison Officers were no longer 'legitimate targets' [sic], despite their still being part of the infamous 'British War Machine' etc etc etc?

(That's a rhetorical question, btw, and I think I know my own answer to it in any case)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 04:46:18 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does


Well said Sheamy, this guy should be running for office as a DUP candidate for East Belfast  ;)
I'd as soon represent SF as I would the DUP.

Mind you, the way they spend all their time f**king each other in Stormont, I don't suppose it would make a huge degree of difference...
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 04:59:51 PM

The first is that I do not have enough reliable information about exactly what is going on inside Maghaberry

No-one, not least the Prison Officers themselves, want to see unnecessary strip-searching carried out where it can be avoided

You know nothing when it suits you but plenty when it does


Well said Sheamy, this guy should be running for office as a DUP candidate for East Belfast  ;)
I'd as soon represent SF as I would the DUP.

Mind you, the way they spend all their time f**king each other in Stormont, I don't suppose it would make a huge degree of difference...

That made me laugh...............................now, how can you justify your stance in not answering my questions based on not enough reliable information on whats going on inside our prisons yet have such a lowly opinion of Finucane???? do you know something the rest of the people that reside in the wee six don't know? or do you know jack shit on that score and throw derogatory names at a dead man with absolutely no proof????
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:15:12 PM
Never forget
Have you forgotten #724, #727, #742, #772, Donagh Ulick?

So assuming for the sake of argument that you are correct [in your assertion that this killing was nothing to do with any 'Free Ireland' campaign], do you consider the murder of  this man to be a justifiable escalation of the prisons campaign?

And what would be your reaction if some Prison Officer decided to murder a prisoner in Maghaberry, so as to "even up the score?


Why the reluctance to answer what are simple, straightforward questions?  ::)

I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!
Condones, even supports it?

Now why do you flip flop when it suits you, why do you refuse to jump to conclusions when it suits you?

Finally, remember the anniversary thread........................... you forgot to mention that the Miami Showband killings on the anniversary thread you started!, newsflash, both atrocities happened on the same day/different years!
When an issue seems straightforward to me (eg Finucane), then I am happy to express a definitive opinion.

Just as when an issue is not straightforward (eg Maghaberry), I decline to do so.

You may call that "flip-flopping" if you like, but I call it consistent.

Finally, remember the anniversary thread........................... you forgot to mention that the Miami Showband killings on the anniversary thread you started!, newsflash, both atrocities happened on the same day/different years!
I hardly need to remind members of this Board of an atrocity like Miami, nor could there be any ambivalence or reluctance to condemn it etc.

Whereas an atrocity like Kingsmill, no more or less heinous, is much less likely to be remembered on this Board, as well as being less than roundly to be condemned by one or two individual posters.

In that sense they are different.

But in every other sense they are the same evil, entirely unjustifiable atrocities. Consequently I have absolutely no problem in condemning them both without reservation. Further, I would like to see all the perpetrators of both, from whatever quarter and wearing whatever uniform etc, arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment, with life to mean life.

P.S. Actually, I have just remembered one other difference. Three people were tried and convicted of the Miami murders, and given very heavy sentences. Unfortunately, they had to be released early under the terms of the GFA. Still, the principle remains exactly the same.

Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 05:20:53 PM
I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!

I'm sure no one needs reminding, but just in case:


Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:28:39 PM
That made me laugh...............................now, how can you justify your stance in not answering my questions based on not enough reliable information on whats going on inside our prisons yet have such a lowly opinion of Finucane???? do you know something the rest of the people that reside in the wee six don't know? or do you know jack shit on that score and throw derogatory names at a dead man with absolutely no proof????
I don't have to justify it.

I think I know enough about the Finucane Murder to express a definitive opinion on it, whereas I don't know enough about Maghaberry to do so, not least because I simply do not trust the word of terrorists and murderers etc, who are so fanatical that they would live in their own shite and piss to prove their point.

And even if I did know enough of the facts, Maghaberry is not a simple black-and-white issue, since it requires finding a balance between the rights of prisoners to be treated humanely, and the right of other Prisoners and Prison Officers to live and work safely and securely, free from the threat of murder and maiming.

I can't be any clearer than that, so if that's not enough for you, so be it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Evil Genius on November 02, 2012, 05:37:25 PM
I have to assume he condones it, if he didnt I am sure he would have the intestinal fortitude to say why!

I'm sure no one needs reminding, but just in case:



Well now that Stew has just accused you of condoning the Prison Officer's murder (or the 'killing [sic] of a screw', as you so charmingly put it), does that mean you will now be putting him on your Ignore List?

After all, that seems to have been your resort when confronted by me about just how callous and cynical your attitude to terrorism really is.

And you wouldn't like anyone thinking you inconsistent, or capable of double standards, would you, Ulick?

Or do I mean "Donagh"?

P.S. We all know that you read what I post, however much it suits you try to deny it.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 06:10:33 PM
That made me laugh...............................now, how can you justify your stance in not answering my questions based on not enough reliable information on whats going on inside our prisons yet have such a lowly opinion of Finucane???? do you know something the rest of the people that reside in the wee six don't know? or do you know jack shit on that score and throw derogatory names at a dead man with absolutely no proof????
I don't have to justify it.

I think I know enough about the Finucane Murder to express a definitive opinion on it, whereas I don't know enough about Maghaberry to do so, not least because I simply do not trust the word of terrorists and murderers etc, who are so fanatical that they would live in their own shite and piss to prove their point.

I think you dont know any more than any of the rest of us!

See that, to me is cherry picking, how can you say you know enough about the Finucane murder to condemn him as an IRA attorney?

What do you know about Finucane that the rest of us don't know? who told you and why do you believe them? Do you have thev

And even if I did know enough of the facts, Maghaberry is not a simple black-and-white issue, since it requires finding a balance between the rights of prisoners to be treated humanely, and the right of other Prisoners and Prison Officers to live and work safely and securely, free from the threat of murder and maiming.

So the Finucane case IS a black and white issue but Meghaberry isnt? it that your stance?

I can't be any clearer than that, so if that's not enough for you, so be it.

To me there is a parallel here withthe hungers strikers back in the day, a high ranking British official told the prisoners and their representatives that they would be allowed to wear their own garb instead of the garb of the regular prisoners, due to the fact they were political prisoners, an agreement was reached, then breached by Thatcher and this, to me, is happening again due to the fact the Brits wont hold up their end of the bargain, imagine that! ::)

You wont justify your hypocrisy here because you cannot justify it, Finucane was a Catholic who got killed and yet you hammered away at his character despite knowing feck all  more about him than the rest of us do.

Then you feign ignorance at what is going on in the prison system despite the evidence..................see they have these machines than eradicate the need for full body searches, they even allow the  men to pass through them without being degraded 8 to ten times a day and are actually harmless.

Here is the solution, have your government live up to it's agreement, tell us what you know for a fact about Finucane that the rest of us mere mortals don't know and maybe the scumbags in Lurgan will stop killing PO's and we will all stop thinking the Finucane killing was completely unjustified!
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 06:27:31 PM
What is the problem in Maghaberry?  Bad reception on their Sky TV?

Blog from SDLP member Emmet Doyle

When I thought I couldn't be shocked:
 
Last Thursday I again found myself in the bleak surroundings of Roe House, Maghaberry Prison. Pat Ramsey and I went to visit some of the men, including Gerry McGeough. I thought that the shell-chocking effect of the place had hit me hard my first few visits, and that I couldn't be shocked any further. Boy was I mistaken.

Usually, we enter Roe at landing four, and enter the Recreation Room to meet individuals and groups. It is a much larger, cleaner and more modern space. Akin, strangely, to my old school canteen. Not this time. We were led by the SO upstairs, to Roe 3 as the Officers and external staff were cleaning the floor on Roe 4, as a result of the on-going protest, and given it was early in the morning, the stench was almost overpowering.

At the foot of the stairs were bags and bags of Acro - the organic absorbent compound used to soak up urine on the floors, which is then hoovered up. As we descended, the clean, modern facade of Roe began to fade away. What I can only describe as a total mess, was piled up outside a cleaners store just before the security gate. An iron, cables, it was like someone had flytipped in the middle of the hall. Granted, they were all on a shelf, which I could spot after about ten seconds of looking, but this is supposed to be a Category A facility where human beings were held, it was a total travesty.

At the top of the stairs and through the first door, we had to wait until the gate was opened by Officers clad in CSI-white overalls, walkie-talkies and batons. Once on the landing, we were led to the "classroom". I use inverted commas, primarily because there is no way on earth the room we were led to could be said to be a classroom. Other than the electronic whiteboard on the wall and the whiteboard on the floor at the back of the room with Irish on it, the only other thing that was in the room was dirt.

The desks must have been brought in from Long Kesh, they were so old. The computers at the back of the room, though they looked relatively modern, were covered in cobwebs and debris. On the wall was a canvass picture - of a red telephone box and Big Ben - ironic, I thought.

We met Gerry first, as always in good spirits and friendly, despite the obvious hardship he has endured. We all spoke for about 40 minutes, then we met a few other men, all who raised issues about the primary issue coming out of Maghaberry at present - healthcare.

That is a conversation for another day. After the meetings had ended, we emerged from the cave which was deemed a classroom, and were once again on the landing, smell and spray [which has brought me out in a rash again this week] right in our faces. It was lunchtime, and the Officers set about going to give the men their plastic covered food.

Pat set off down the right side of Roe, seeking out two opened cells at the bottom of the wing - one cleaned, one dirty. I set out down the left side, seeking out the new machine that was being used below to clean the cells, which had been causing annoyance to both staff and prisoners as it was used in conjunction with a diesel generator, and the fumes in such an encolsed area were not pleasant.

I couldn't get downstairs, but I asked one of the officers to go down and see if he could get me the name of the machine, its make, serial number, any markings on it. He re-appeared a few minutes later, but with no information. I wasn't leaving without it.

Pat came back up the landing from one of the dirty cells, shaking his head. I had caught a glimpse of the cell on way down to see if I could get downstairs, and would be lying if I said I wasn't physically afraid of going to look into it.

When we were 'spun out' of the landing [the process whereby one officer has to radio another officer in another part of the building to release the turnstyles to let us out] we went back downstairs, though locked back from the landing on Roe 4. I asked to see the SO, to get the information I had sought about this machine, while making notes about the cleaning products and absorbent material being used for the protest cleanup. Again, no joy.

Surprisingly, and I have to give credit where it is due - one of the external workers, about my age, came right up to the gate and asked what I was looking for - I repeated, the name, serial number, model of the new cleaner - and he came back a few minutes later with the information on a post-it.

As we left, escorted by an Officer to the exit of the compound, that feeling of not wanting to leave but impatient to get out of the harrowing building again visited me, and Pat also, as it always did. As we walked up the driveway towards the main gate, the follow-up plans flowed, as they always did, what was next to address the issues raised, which family members did we need to phone.

Let no-one tell you that the men there, and indeed all prisoners regardless of colour, creed or nationality have no-one standing up for them in the Assembly - because we left the Quakers after a near two-hour visit to Roe and after getting our first food of the day (and toilet break given we are not permitted to use facilities in the prison) and drove straight to Parliament Buildings to address what we could from there.

I know that eight or nine Deputies are to visit Roe within the coming weeks - something made possible by the changing of prison rules that we had worked on for months to allow TDs equal access to Northern prisons as MLAs and MPs have. That will be important for all in Roe - to know that honourable men and women North and South have not forgotten.

I'll finish by saying the intense itching in the car to Stormont and the rash and boils underneath my beard following the visit as a result of the spray, have now ceased, but I don't know how they do it.

Never forget

So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Oraisteach on November 02, 2012, 07:08:54 PM
EG, there is something wonderfully appropriate about your unwillingness to believe people so “fanatical that they would live in their own shite and piss to prove their point,” because in that beautiful synopsis you have engaged in astute self-revelation and encapsulated why it is that I can’t really respect anything that you say.  In short, the structure of your reasonableness is built solidly on the bogland of your hypocrisy, a two-facedness captured in your untenable stance on the Finucane case.

You like to present yourself as evenhanded in your views--fair, democratic, liberal even—but the fact that you not only fail to express outrage at state-sanctioned murder but, in fact, applaud its outcome, only exposes the unreliability of your other views.  More contemptible, though, is that you almost always take pains to demonstrate your impeccable credentials for fairness (e.g. as in tag-on lines such as ” * - Which I am quite happy  to  condemn,  btw. [relating to Finucane’s murder], only right after you have uncondemned it).  Apparently, too,  you have remarkable detective powers that permit you to say that ‘Re Finucane, I have very good reason for believing that he was the Provos' "in-house lawyer"’, powers that allow you to bypass almost universally accepted rules of conduct in civilized societies.  In the Shangri La that you envision, it seems, lawyers should be available only to those whom you deem innocent. Ah, fcuk it all--kill the rest.

No, I don’t think you’re a “flip-flopper.”  You are, as you say, consistent—consistently phony, endlessly pontificating in the “shite and piss” of your own duplicity.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 02, 2012, 07:36:29 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 02, 2012, 07:57:18 PM
Ulick are these conditions in place for Republican prisoners only?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 02, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
Normal people go to work, worry about paying bills, putting children through school, doing work around their house, and in what little spare time a person has follow their hobbies , be it sports, socialising etc. If these low life's actually lived in the real world, like most of us do, they wouldn't have time to act the so called freedom fighter. Why some human beings value life so little is hard to gauge.conditions at a jail, should not be used as a reason or excuse to carry out such a vile act. Most people hope these type of days and acts are behind us, about time someone informed the nethanderals still living in the past.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: charlieTully on November 02, 2012, 08:12:17 PM
Normal people go to work, worry about paying bills, putting children through school, doing work around their house, and in what little spare time a person has follow their hobbies , be it sports, socialising etc. If these low life's actually lived in the real world, like most of us do, they wouldn't have time to act the so called freedom fighter. Why some human beings value life so little is hard to gauge.conditions at a jail, should not be used as a reason or excuse to carry out such a vile act. Most people hope these type of days and acts are behind us, about time someone informed the  still living in the past.

if you were getting a fist shoved up your hole five times a day you might think differently.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Eamonnca1 on November 02, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

Gimme a page number and I'll go back and have a look. I'm genuinely curious as to what this is all about.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Rossfan on November 02, 2012, 08:25:45 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

Seems if you don't agree with or adore the opinions of Ulick you're not an adult.
My comment was that Ulick and another buck were in difficulty as they are not outrightly condemning this murder or the persons who carried it out while their leader Martim McGuinness was doing so.
It seems any adverse comment about SF or about Ulick and th'other yoke is just not allowed and the person who makes it has to be villified and abused from a heighth.
And then they wonder why most people in the 26 Cos. won't flock to vote for SF  :o
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: stew on November 02, 2012, 09:01:10 PM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

You answered your own question Ulick.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Ulick on November 03, 2012, 12:22:04 AM
My comment was that Ulick and another buck were in difficulty as they are not outrightly condemning this murder or the persons who carried it out while their leader Martim McGuinness was doing so.
It seems any adverse comment about SF or about Ulick and th'other yoke is just not allowed and the person who makes it has to be villified and abused from a heighth.
And then they wonder why most people in the 26 Cos. won't flock to vote for SF  :o

Condemn it? What do you think this is Prime Time or something, you're Miriam and I'm Marty? No one cares any more about my opinion than they do about yours and both of ours together equal the sum of feck all squared - so don't come all the condemn bollocks with me. I offered an opinion and background information based on some local knowledge, you came in with the adolescent nonsense without contributing to what up until then had been a sensible discussion.

The recent posts on the thread started out with people trying to put some sense to what seemed a senseless act of murder, but inevitably when you look behind the tabloid spin there is always motivation to any murder. You were the person who tried to spin this out to some anti-SF agenda and insinuated that I or others supported the act when I made no comment either-way. The simple fact is I did not know Mr Black, so I'm not going to get on any righteous high horse about the killing. It was wrong, of course it was. As a society up here we have passed all that nonsense. However, I feel no more emotionally attached to the Black killing as I would to someone taking out Johnny Adair or Thatcher dying of Alzheimer's i.e. I empathise with the pain of the families and I wish them no harm but given the nasty history between us all I'm really not going to be all that upset about it.

Does that make me a hypocritical SF lackey? Maybe so, but at least I can be honest about, accept the tragedy of it all and let things sit as opposed to being a w**ker and using the death of a man in an attempt to score cheap, dirty, insignificant points against a perceived SFer on an anonymous discussion forum.
 
Oíche mhaith a chara.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 03, 2012, 12:30:41 AM
Ulick was enquiring earlier if the conditions these boys are kept in are only the preserve of dissidents, all Republican prisoners or all prisoners including Loyalists? I'm all for ensuring prison isn't a holiday camp but the sheer number of these strip searches seems to be about dehumanising and f**king with the mind of the prisoner rather than genuine attempts to find contraband.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 01:11:31 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Nally Stand on November 03, 2012, 01:17:12 AM
So the prisoners are wrecking the place and then complaining about the fact that it's wrecked?

Eamonnca1 is it too much effort a read back a few pages before coming out with the facetious comments or do you prefer to put yourself in the adolescent corner with Rossfan?

Seems if you don't agree with or adore the opinions of Ulick you're not an adult.
My comment was that Ulick and another buck were in difficulty as they are not outrightly condemning this murder or the persons who carried it out while their leader Martim McGuinness was doing so.
It seems any adverse comment about SF or about Ulick and th'other yoke is just not allowed and the person who makes it has to be villified and abused from a heighth.
And then they wonder why most people in the 26 Cos. won't flock to vote for SF  :o

Not allowed to make adverse comment about SF? Say whatever the fcuk you want about SF, I don't give two shites. You are the only one who brought SF into the discussion to try take a few cheap shots, nobody else. My issue is that you accused me of supporting what happened on Thursday. Read back and you'll soon see my opinion of what happened and my re-stating of my support for the peace process. Apologies if that is at odds with how you'd like to present me, you arrogant, judgmental cretin. Seeing no problem with accusing someone of supporting what happened on Thursday but crying to a discussion board mod
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: give her dixie on November 03, 2012, 11:10:23 AM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.

Do you know what they have done to be in jail? Maybe you could shine some light on their situation? What is Martin Corey charged with?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 03, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
So you basically support the mistreatment of prisoners and/or compromise of human rights based on a perception of guilt?
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.

Do you know what they have done to be in jail? Maybe you could shine some light on their situation? What is Martin Corey charged with?
They've done nothing. They're all innocent victims of an oppressive British state, picked at random from BT's Yellow Pages, from the section headed 'Uppity Fenians'. There but for the grace of God, etc etc. These people have never harmed a living soul. They pose no risk to prison officers, PSNI personnel, pizza delivery boys, or assorted motorists who just happen to be driving along the M1 at any given time. They should be released immediately and allowed to take their rightful place amongst their friends and work colleagues, though in Gerry's case obviously not beside Sammy Brush.  ;)
Title: Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
Post by: Myles Na G. on November 03, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
The conditions that those held have to go through are sub human. No man or woman, no matter what they have done, or not done in the case of many, deserves to be treated in such a way in todays world. There has been a machine in place for full body scanning, however, prison warders prefer to put on rubber gloves and shove their hands up peoples rear end on an hourly basis.

The ongoing internment of Martin Corey, Marian Price and Gerry McGeough has been disgraceful, and wrong on so many levels. Marian has been held for over 500 days now and her health is very low, Martin Corey not charged, and Gerry a victim of selective justice.

The plight of the prisoners has been an elephant in the room for a few years now that no one talked about until now. Lets hope something will be done to resolve this issue very soon.
See, this is what I was saying. I don't care if the likes of Martin, Marian and Gerry have their backsides searched with a vacuum cleaner every hour, on the hour. If they hadn't sat in dark corners and planned the murder of their fellow citizens, they wouldn't be in this situation.
So you basically support the mistreatment