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If the vote is YES the Tsipiras and his party are gone. It is not yet certain that the IMF/EU are willing to wait on a vote so it might be too little to late.

If the vote is NO, Tsipiras and co will have been right. But they will be out of the Euro probably.

High stakes stuff.


Yes and while that will mean pain in the short term I think we'll be fighting with each other in queues to book our holidays in Greece next year. They will rocket back to growth pretty quickly (supported by Vladimir of course). Which will make the EU and especially our w**ker politicians look extremely bad.
Not so sure about that, they will have alienated the EU which has to be a huge chuck of trading partners.

The money always goes to where the returns are. The tourists will go there as it will be the best value and US money will chase the post collapse 5-10% growth.

But if your wealth falls by 40-80%, it takes many years at 5-10% growth to recover.


Greece has no economy and no industry bar tourism. They need to be built up from the bottom. This is the best route, in fact the only route with an prospect of success, for them and they'll be supported by Russia if the EU are stupid enough to let that happen.

Also - this mirage of an Irish recovery is complete horseshit. My bank is still grossly overcharging me for my mortgage, the government is raping my pay packet (PAYE to run the country, USC to pay off loan interest), the government is charging me for the privilege of living in my own home that I'm paying an overinflated mortgage to a zombie bank for, the government is attempting to charge me a third time for my water supply and they will then privatise this. We will be throw a few scraps to pacify us for the election but what has really changed? We're building houses again!!!!! That went well the last time.

People would need to wake up.
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Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread
« Last post by country bumpkin on Today at 02:29:26 PM »
Good idea Brendan..........forget about hurling.
 ;)
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Meath played Tyrone early in the National league in Omagh shortly after the 1996 bloodshed. It was pre-christmas in those days if I remember correctly, so things were still a bit raw. Tyrone did the decent thing and applauded Meath onto the pitch with a guard of honour, however an old bloke behind me, full of anger at this, roared - "Don't applaud them f**kers, you should be bating em with big sticks".

We need to find this man and get him in the changing room before the game in the 11th - this is war!!

Was he wearing a pair of bottle-bottom glasses?

 ;D If only he'd thought of it few months earlier!
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GAA Discussion / Re: What would you call a second tier Competition?
« Last post by BennyHarp on Today at 02:25:16 PM »
But surely if a second tier competition has the opportunity of entering the main championship at some stage that would allow the likes of Tipperary and the teams on the up a chance to get back in. Even some kind of promotion/relegation from year to year would mean that teams who are making strides still get a chance to have a go at the big boys.

Also would this not be better for a team like Tipp to have more games building momentum and confidence rather than having a first/second match every year against Cork/Kerry and slumping to a 6-10 point defeat!!

This is what I was going to post. People seem to think that once the two tier system is implemented, then thats it, they are condemned for life. The fact that its linked to the league gives every team the opportunity to play their way into the top tier championship. And the provincial championship gives everyone a second chance. Surely a team who is making progress via promotion may be better prepared than a team who barely wins a game in Div 4 trotting out to get hammered once or twice a year. Tipperary has been used as an example here, maybe they will make damn sure they get promoted next year, thus making for a very exciting league div 3.
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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« Last post by joemamas on Today at 02:25:05 PM »
Tomás is starting to annoy me now to be honest.
He's opted for the archetypal Kerry man schtick with a Brolly-esque slouch thrown in for good measure.
"Lookit Des, I suppose..."
Plus he's dressing like an utter gimp every week.

If you are looking for cliche city, he is your man. In my mind, a great footballer, but hopeless as a pundit and worse as a guest writer or what ever you call him. I just zone out when he talks.
The apparent smugness is also bothering me.
The overall quality of the show and presenters is poor. The comment on Sky and how they run their show is very accurate. Way ahead of The sunday game. It would be great if they could do a similar show on a sunday evening.

For post match analysis, McStay (who sometime can be crap as a commentator) and Whealan are miles ahead of the rest.
McHugh used to annoy the sh*t out of me, but his recent appearances have been decent. I did not see this sunday yet. But he did make a lot of sense regarding provincial honchos having a complete grip on GAA or something to that effect a few weeks ago.
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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« Last post by GJL on Today at 02:15:49 PM »
Lol. Utd are only linked with a player and already the brigade are on calling him an overage diving cheat.


So we should ignore his previous form just because he's joining United? OK.

Tear away. What ever makes you happy.
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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Meath round 2 qualifiers 11th July 2015
« Last post by Hardy on Today at 02:13:58 PM »
Meath played Tyrone early in the National league in Omagh shortly after the 1996 bloodshed. It was pre-christmas in those days if I remember correctly, so things were still a bit raw. Tyrone did the decent thing and applauded Meath onto the pitch with a guard of honour, however an old bloke behind me, full of anger at this, roared - "Don't applaud them f**kers, you should be bating em with big sticks".

We need to find this man and get him in the changing room before the game in the 11th - this is war!!

Was he wearing a pair of bottle-bottom glasses?
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GAA Discussion / Re: What would you call a second tier Competition?
« Last post by Esmarelda on Today at 02:13:22 PM »
I think you're misreading it deiseach. I don't think people give a shite about Waterford, Carlow or London, or anyone else. The people advocating a split championship want to see games between the best teams. As I've said, what they really want is not to see Dublin hammer teams, or not to see other teams hammer the three I mentioned.

Yup - none of this is coming from the teams themselves  ::)

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/brudair-give-basement-teams-a-b-championship-332260.html

http://www.carlow-nationalist.ie/2015/06/17/the-forum-clubs-show-support-for-second-tier/

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=219651
While not discounting the three stories you've quoted, I don't see (from skim reading them admittedly) and consultation with the players of the three counties. I think it would be a major mistake for any new proposals to go through with this consultation.

All of us are looking at this from a spectator point of view. If the lower ranked teams' players want to compete in the All-Ireland series as it is then they should be allowed, in my opinion.

That is why I look forward to what the GPA brings back from its discussion with its members.

Personally, as I've stated before, I have a feeling that players from these counties may entertain a second and third tier competition as a preliminary route to the All-Ireland series in the same year.
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Laois / Re: Who would want to be Laois manager?
« Last post by High Fielder on Today at 02:12:18 PM »
High Fielder: We can blame the county board on alot of things but not because of  no championship in mid July. Any county board across the county cant fix games in July due to the qualifiers. Instead we have league games which by their name are games!! Most clubs don't want championship in July or August as many of their younger players are in America or the older guys with families are on hols. Even if the county board fixed championship for July it still wont stop people going on J1s. In fact I think the structure of the championship is one of the best in the country.

As for the "meaningless league games" its up to the clubs to change this attitude- Maybe a sanction of conceding two games gets you kicked out of championship. Its about time clubs in this county got their house in order. I live outside laois and the clubs around me have the same problem as those in Laois however they seem to just get on with it.

I didn't ask for Championship football in July. I don't know where you plucked that one from. At least one and probably two rounds of the Championship should be played already, perhaps in April or May. It would get lads thinking properly, earlier, about football. I don't know who we think we are that we can swan around until July before putting in a proper effort. The results at county level don't back up the structures as they exist right now, and besides, more than half the clubs in Senior only exist to stay out of Intermediate. A right breeding ground for mediocrity if you ask me, and sure enough, that's what we are; mediocre.

The above said, I like your idea about throwing clubs out of the Championship and/or relegating/regrading them if they don't field teams. The recent situation is pathetic and along with discipline, ranks as two serious areas that need to be addressed. Laois football has turned into a spiteful arena with little or no intervention from referees or the county board. I reiterate what I said in my first post. Some of the stuff that goes on should be under the noses of the Gardaí, yet as far as I know, hasn't even been investigated by the County Board. If our top men have such little respect for football and players in the county, then I'm afraid we are looking down the barrel.
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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Galway (Sat 11-07-15)
« Last post by BennyCake on Today at 02:12:09 PM »
When will the throw in times for these games be confirmed?

Don't worry, you'll still be able to make it to the bonfire.
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