"They died on coffin ships and in distant lands as a direct result of diseases caused by the hunger they had to endure because of their Catholic Faith".
The brits washed their hands of the problem and passed it on to the poor law unions, effectively condemning hundreds of thousands to death. Culpable neglect of the consequences of policies leading to mass starvation. Blaming the church for the famine is like pinning responsibility for the holocaust on the grocers of poland. Or haj amin husseini.
The Church was happy as well because it replaced the Gaeilge as the thing people stuck to.
"They suffered and died for their Catholic Faith during the years of the man-made famine in Ireland 1845-1850. They died on coffin ships and in distant lands as a direct result of diseases caused by the hunger they had to endure because of their Catholic Faith. These petitions will be sent to Rome asking for Universal Beatification for these Martyrs in recognition of their faith and sacrifice."
The famine didn't happen because they were catholic. I think that is off on a tangent to a far galaxy.
The Brits ran a brutal economy and it was contemptible to be poor. MacHale was probably reflecting public opinion at the time.
How could you explain what happened to people with no education ? they were dependent on one crop and had no Plan B and the Govermnent of the day was happy with the outcome because it figured the land was overpopulated.
Eventually at this rate I think we will all be beatified as martyrs. Tony will become the first living GAA board martyr. He has been ridiculed for his faith and persecuted on this very thread but Jesus knows this and will be appearing in the Sunday Life shortly to present him with his beatification.
They died because they were Catholic. In particular they died of starvation because they refused food in return for changing religion. That is the point. The petition asks that their Church, who they remained loyal to until their death, recognises this.
The Church never really cared about the poor in the 19th century either.
This is the point of the petition (which btw I haven't signed as I am no longer a practicing Catholic). But I think it is reasonable to ask an organisation will it honour those who died for its faith.
Where exactly did I blame the Church for the Famine? I am criticising some of them for some of their behaviour, not blaming them for the whole thing.
The causes of the Famine include, but are not limited to, The Penal Laws, Tithes, British Laws on inheritance etc. All British imposed sanctions on the Irish.
I think the Church has a lot to answer for but not the Famine.
Apparently illiteracy meant a lot of people didn't understand how to cook Indian meal and that was another cause of the weakening state of the people.
is very interesting
What is this straw man argument about?
No one is saying the Church caused the Famine.
Turning down food for your faith, however, is a different matter and this did happen.
It did alright. But linking the whole thing ito their faith as in
"They died on coffin ships and in distant lands as a direct result of diseases
caused by the hunger they had to endure because of
their Catholic Faith".
implies that people died of disease BECAUSE they were catholic
And that is horseshit, IMO. It is badly written.
Who wrote it ?