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GAA Discussion / Re: Hawkeye
« on: August 19, 2013, 02:49:24 PM »
Obviously Plan B hadn't kicked in at that stage and they were trying to spare the ref's blushes. When the technology is in any way in question, the ref gets hung out to dry unfortunately - as I mentioned before about the Ashes, the unreliability of the DRS has completely undermined the umpires confidence in their own decisions, ironically leading to far more disputed decisions.
However I do think the GAa have to stick with/improve Hawkeye. Is there any more magnificent sight in sport then one umpire flagging a point while the other crosses his arms?

GAA Discussion / Re: Hawkeye
« on: August 19, 2013, 02:28:54 PM »
My understanding was that the ball was over - ref went for confirmation, technology showed it over, graphic called it wrong. That's certainly the line that Alan Milton was pushing this morning.

GAA Discussion / Re: Hawkeye
« on: August 19, 2013, 02:20:56 PM »
I wasn't saying that they would use human intervention to judge the result - clearly the technology did that successfully but the interface between that system and the TV/screens graphic failed. For instance, when a rugby ref goes to the video ref, he examines all the images and indicates whether it is a try to the match director and the graphics op in the tv truck firstly, and secondly to the actual ref on the pitch. This gives the graphics operator time to cue the try awarded/no try graphics and then these are rolled in at the same time the match ref is told.

I think the nature of the Hawkeye technology would mean that is is far more automated than this, but I would be hugely surprised if there was not Hawkeye staff there monitoring - in this case if there was a radio link between the ref and those staff he could say "There's clearly a contradiction here - instruct me on whether the point stands or not" and they could say whether it was a Hawkeye malfunction or a merely  a graphics malfunction. Not ideal, but the optimum outcome should be the point awarded, no matter how long it took or how awkward it looked.

If the graphic function for Hawkeye is actually operated from the TV truck there is a good possibility it was simply human error - don't know whether that was the case or not.

GAA Discussion / Re: Hawkeye
« on: August 18, 2013, 05:06:46 PM »
I've seen it happen at tennis tournaments were Hawkeye can be suspended. Though I think that this could merely be a graphic error, in that the technology itself was giving the correct result (i.e. showing the ball go through the posts), but it was in the relaying of it that the error occurred. It might just be someone with an itchy finger pressing the wrong button. They need to get protocols in place for this (if there is an operator in place with this kit there should a radio comms link with the ref).

Anyone who has been watching the Ashes this season can see the problems that over reliance on technology can cause ( and I'm speaking as someone who would have been gung ho for it to be used) I see there is controversy in the senior game over a point allowed to Limerick. Anyone have a tin opener for this can of worms?

GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin vs Kerry - Sunday September 1st
« on: August 16, 2013, 09:25:33 PM »
What are all these sheepstealers doing here? Not many rams to be rustled round De Nortside.....

Anyhoo ...

2004 was the ramshackle end to a ramshackle era. 5 points all at halftime and Whelo had rattled the crossbar from 30 yards out, sparking memories of his rocket against Armagh in 2002. But it was just the light dying, and it was fitting that Kerry's goal came from a ball that came back off the post. Dublin were flatfooted, Kerry stole in, game over. it was a parade of points, Galvin, O'Cinneide, Gooch, Mike Frank was still around...That was the day that we knew, as we lay bleeding on the tracks, that the light at the end of the tunnel had been the Sunday express from Killarney.

2007 and three successive Leinsters had beefed up our credentials, a good tussle with a Meath side with some pretensions had sharpened us and the general consensus was now or never. Never said Kerry and two images remain from that day - Gooch on the ball, stopping time as he pointed and directed his chess pieces around the board, playing the angles and finding the scores. As for us? Well we went on one of those second half rolls we used to specialise in, six points on the spin, playing football like the Stone Roses first album, stupendous, rushing, exhilarating - but ultimately, like the Roses, no follow up. Ray Cosgrove got on the end of a move and tried to replay his glorious finishing of 2002 - but it flashed wide. And all the while, the Gooch was in his bubble. 2 points and an ocean between us.

2009 - They say after a nuclear war, the only things that will survive will be cockroaches. This was our ground zero and the only surprise was how surprised we were. We'd fought our way put of a corner against Kildare and Gilroy seemed to have toughened us up. I was  in the Premium with my brother and I'm ashamed to say we didn't leave the bar for the second half - there was an aul kerry wan beside us who from five minutes in was screaming at us to bring out Ciaran Whelan as well, they'd take care of him as well. Whelo rumbled on, the big white gloves, the same soaring catches - and nothing in front of him to hit. It was no way for the big Blue to go out. We poured one on the kerb for him and his team. But the darkest hour is always before the dawn...

GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin vs Kerry - Sunday September 1st
« on: August 16, 2013, 03:15:36 PM »
It's on like Donkey Kong!! Let's get this started......

Snapshots of a rivalry

84/85 - Old enough to hate and fear them, not old enough to understand why. I was three in 78 and didn't know why my father spoke with such trepidation of them. They were aliens with exotic names - Ogie, Paidi, Ambrose, Jacko. We were in our pomp, clattering culchies on our way to Cork, winning Sam and infamy against Galway, big and brash as Joe McNally's tache. And of course we matched them - weren't Rock and Duff the best strike force out there, wasn't John O'Leary the best shot stopper in the country, wasn't Mullins the best midfielder in the country? Once maybe, but along with my memories of Jack O'Shea's loping strides was the feeling of inevitability about it all. My innocence gone forever, mingled feelings of hatred and disgust - and insult added to injury by my sadistic headmaster from the Kingdom who constantly rubbed it in and dangled promises of days off if the Dubs beat Kerry. He must have known something - the pain was just beginning.

2001 - Surely it wasn't that long! It was and despite annual jousts in the league, this was the first time in 16 years that there was blood in the water. They had faded and we had emerged, but we never had their efficiency. Despite dominating the early 90s in Leinster and the League, all we had to show was an All Ireland where we staggered over the line. Away we faded again and they found themselves - and what a discovery. Daragh O'Se, Dara O Cinneide, the Pony himself and the silent genius - the embodiment of Kerry football - Maurice Fitz. We travelled not in hope - Meath beat us by three points in the Leinster Final but they hadn't roused themselves to do so. It looked like we would suffer a double indignity that year. And yet...

We travelled down the night before, did the dog on it in The County Bar and Hayes', stood on the Killainin end and dreamed once more of stealing victory from the culchies' lair. And think about it, Collie and Dessie missed chances that physics students are still trying to figure out how the ball avoided the net. 8 points down and still in it - Vinny's gonna get ya, and he did, Darren Homan popped up to write his name into the annals and say we were there to witness it is inaccurate becasue we didn't, couldn't appreciate Maurice's kick inside the stadium. I'm proud to say that inside Larry's Bar that night, jsut off the square in Thurles, a blue clad crowd applauded a kick as Tommy Carr's purple veined face howled, as a stadium swooned and as one man bent the air to his own devices. Thank God for the Sunday Game.

And the next week? Just as much drink and craic but again that inevitable feeling. We had heart but were limited and they had what seemed an unlimited supply of artists. Pride redeemed but we were a long way off. There's a big difference between a rivalry and a beating...

More to follow

GAA Discussion / Re: Hurling puts football in the shade
« on: August 12, 2013, 04:39:47 PM »
Saint Lucia, no less!! Far from Saint Lucia you were raised AZ  ;D

GAA Discussion / Re: Hurling puts football in the shade
« on: August 12, 2013, 04:24:35 PM »
Yeah the IPL was on ITV4 this summer - I prefer the Tests myself, but a good IPL game will give you a nerve jangling finish - say 40 needed off 24 balls and it goes down to the wire, and then they have an over each to bat in extra time - loads of 4's and 6's. But apparently a lot of those IPL games are fixed.

GAA Discussion / Re: Hurling puts football in the shade
« on: August 12, 2013, 04:13:49 PM »
Always loved test cricket - first got into it with the West Indies side of the late 80s early 90s - Curtly Ambrose, Courtney Walsh etc. Fell out of following it for a few years but the Ashes 2005 got me back into it - this series is not as good as that year but as mentioned the Sky coverage is first class.

Bringing it back to the hurling v football debate, sport is sport, and for me there is no aesthetic difference between Conor Lehane side stepping for a point, Jack mcCaffrey blasting past wing forwards to set up an attack, or Ian Bell dissecting the Aussie attack for another century - we're just privileged to see these artists doing their thing. Genius.

(though as I speak the Aussies are taking over the 4th test - Warner playing great for a man who usually wears a comedy moustache!)

GAA Discussion / Re: Hurling puts football in the shade
« on: August 12, 2013, 12:22:08 PM »
Forget snooker or golf - the cricket has been brilliant this summer......

I'm actually serious.

I really think the analysts in hurling are so far off the beam in discipline matters, it is unreal - don't know why I'm surprised, Loughnane's Clare were hardly a model of decorum. There is a huge conspiracy of silence, or else they cover up with euphemisms like "manliness" or "just tipping". The reality is if you compare a game from the mid to late 90's with one from now, the challenges now are higher and more dangerous, the ruck is now the dominant method of gaining possession, pulling in the air is nearly extinct, whilst intelligent ground hurling has already gone the way of the dodo (amazing really, since the standard of pitch surface has gone up). The scales fell from my eyes when I was watching the All Ireland Final of 2010 - a lot of the analysts consider it a classic, but look at the first half of the game - it is like rugby league with sticks thrown in. And all the commentators could talk about was "intensity"!! We laud the skills of hurling yet we don't let the players use them - hooking and blocking are replaced by fully body challenges. They're right about football ruing the game - but that's because hurlers and managers insist on playing and training like footballers, rather then refs reffing them like it.
I'm a Dub and found a lot to hugely admire about their performances this season, and in players like Kelly and Hiney, they have terrific old school defenders - but Ryan O'Dwyer deserved both his yellows and there is no point cribbing about it. The game was very entertaining but could have been even better if both sides weren't emplying sweepers (even when one was a man down!) This season has been a breath of fresh air, and all the better for the refs clamping down. Just because your name is Sheflin doesn't mean you have immunity.
Unfortunately a decade of Kilkenny dominance has left a load of inferior imitators intent on replicating the darker parts of their game because that is easier than breeding a generation of skilful hurlers. Hopefully, with sterner reffing, we can see the return of a more open game, which this season we've definitely seen more off. Let Cyril and Ger off with it - they are part of the problem rather then the solution.

GAA Discussion / Re: Time for Joe to go??
« on: August 08, 2013, 04:11:33 PM »
Fair enough AZ - and as I said, as a card carrying member of the corner back fraternity I probably would have rugby tackled him at the handshake. Completely agree with the more systemic stuff being cracked down on - my point was more about the depressing reaction from ex players. Yes we know you're being honest, but very few of them brought the debate forward - most either thought there was nothing wrong with it under the "getting it done" rule, or else seemed to think there was nothing we could do about it.

As systems evolve, so should the rules - this shoulder-shrugging apathy really bugs me. Things can change if the will is there, and if Brolly's mis-guided missile provides some kind of impetus, it will have served a purpose.

Good to be back Croí by the way.

GAA Discussion / Re: Time for Joe to go??
« on: August 08, 2013, 03:36:10 PM »
The problem I'd have with the reaction to this is the stunning cynicism with regard to the ex-players who have commented on it. We are still an amateur sport, but the over riding mantra here is "do what has to be done" - a philosophy that created Eastern European steroid farms, Flo Jo, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, Pete Rose, Calciopoli, Balco. Coupled with this cynicism from the actual players is the wilful niavety we display ourselves as fans. Can we honestly believe that if we tolerate a culture that allows such calculation in search of victory on the pitch, that off it things are living up to the Corinthian ideals of amateurism?

I'm not saying that I have any knowledge of organised cheating off the pitch, but the logical outcome of this philosophy isn't hard to see. I've heard Cavanagh's actions (who I hugely admire as a footballer and a man) excused by the fact that he is an elite athlete, and that is what they do - they win. All of the examples above are of elite athletes who won.

I play five a side still and the other week chopped down my best mate with a horrible challenge to stop him scoring. But I'm not an elite athlete (and I'm a bit of a clown) and during my own, mercifully short, playing career I substituted faux hard-man pretensions for actual skill. At the highest level you'd hope that skill is the difference between the journeyman and the legend. People have always tried to take out the skilful - think of Matt Connor skipping challenges, Mikey Sheehy shrugging off Cork full back lines, Bernard Brogan scoring a point with three Donegal players on his back. What is most depressing about all this is that Cavanagh felt the need to do it, and Cavanagh in full flow is one of the greatest expressions of the game. Even the angels are carrying forks now.

I don't personally have any problem with Cavanagh doing it. What I do have a problem with is the shoulder shrugging acceptance of this philosophy. The GAA needs to not only to change the rules, but also change their attitude towards changing rules. They are the guardians of the game - the protection and encouragement of skill should be paramount. Rule changes should be a fluid and ongoing, evolving process, because you can be damn sure that managers are making their plans for the black card now.

Brolly was over the top, sure - but let's use it as a catalyst for change rather than an excuse for a fatwa.

GAA Discussion / Re: Aidan O'Shea
« on: August 08, 2013, 02:36:39 PM »
Howya Fionn/ Hardy - Jaysis Sonny is a blast from the past! It's well overdue that we get a sequel to "Out of Africa". I know, I'll mention Whelo's "fracas" with Nigel Crawford at the throw in in 2005 - that'll have him coming in off the savannah.

GAA Discussion / Re: Aidan O'Shea
« on: August 08, 2013, 02:22:22 PM »
Cheers Muppet - hope to be around a bit more now the work schedule suits it.

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