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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 19, 2019, 02:37:42 PM »
It was reported on all sides.  Fox News said that it could get him impeached if true. It’s ridiculous to think that, in this day and age of the internet and cable news, that it would be ignored.

Now they’re all reporting the Mueller press release.

Today they will move back to the shutdown with Trump apparently going to make an announcement.

Mueller is the real FBI deal. He is thorough and rational . The media are obviously less so and more emotional.
Mueller won't go for the kill until the case is bulletproof. Maybe he was behind the buzzfeed leak. Anything is possible . The net is closing in.
The likelihood is the Buzzfeed story was too close the bone and was actually impeding on Mueller's territory.

At every stage of the last two years the pro-Trump narrative has completely fallen apart.

It's hilarious to see the same eejits who claimed the investigation was a witch hunt frantically now placing such credibility in a deliberately vague statement.

Mental gymnastics doeesn't even begin to describe it.


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GAA Discussion / Re: The Patronising Dublin Fan Thread
« on: January 18, 2019, 09:54:08 PM »
Westmeath laid down a serious marker there. The myth of Dublin invincibility in Leinster has been crushed once and for all.

It'll be a tough battle to retain the Delaney Cup this year, very tough.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 17, 2019, 04:35:57 PM »
I don't understand people. A no deal Brexit would be an unmitigated disaster not just for Britain but for Ireland and the EU. No sane person wants that and certainly I do not believe many voted for that. It's an entirely reasonable request for a compromise. After the abuse and smears continuosly directed at this man by the Tories I think it's quite reasonable to test whether May is just playing to the gallery or genuinely interested in finding a solution. She hasn't a genuine bone in her body. Despite being a Remain campaigner she seems perfectly happy to let Britain leave the EU with no deal in order to keep her position.

The face on May when Corbyn asked her to rule it out told the story. She was sick.


Vote for the deal that most people hate and which even pro-Brexiteers say is worse than EU membership, and nobody will be happy, and it would be hugely divisive.

Stumble into no deal, and it would be a disaster. Britain would be ripe for destruction by anarcho-capitalists.

A second referendum could still leave open the possibility of no deal and would be again incredibly divisive, with far right rhetoric poisoning public discourse.

Withdrawing Article 50 unilaterally would be incredibly divisive. It could easily lead to a rise of the far right. But so could all the other options, with no deal likely being the worst case in this regard.

So all options, are, frankly, shit.

But withdrawing Article 50 now looks like the least worst option, and it's an option that has become more likely.

The flipside is; no deal has also become more likely.

How can a second referendum / anything else be any more divisive than what exists already? Never in the modern era has British society or the body politic been more polarised over one issue than Brexit.

Anyone think May rather cleverly bounced Corbyn into a No Confidence motion in the immediate wake of the Withdrawal defeat Tuesday night? If he was a skilled '25' player he might have let her stew for another few days, until she presents Plan B Monday, and then start gathering (more) support for it.


Amplification. The current divisions exist within a sort of framework where most people on one side are still sort of reassured that they have "won", while most people on the other side are sort of accepting that they have lost. A lot of people have simply zoned out of what's going on - there's a feeling among a lot of the public that it's the politicians business now and let them "get on with it" - it's been amazing to hear that line being said so much in vox pops and the like in the last year.

A second referendum would most certainly re-open and amplify that division within the public at large, because the responsibility would once again lie with the public to make the decision. Divisive political campaigns always amplify tensions and division.

Nevertheless, it's a process Britain may have to go through.

The amount of energy and resources in British politics that have been wasted on this ridiculous right wing identity politics issue over the last three or four years, to the detriment of the real issues that affect people, has been an utter disgrace, and David Cameron enabled it.





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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 17, 2019, 04:18:23 PM »
Withdrawing article 50 unilaterally would be the worst option. It can never happen. The people voted for Brexit, if its not to go ahead it will have to, at the very least, seem like its the public who've changed their minds.
It can absolutely happen and it would be a far better option than no deal.

You have to separate Brexit the abstract idea from Brexit the reality.

Half of Britain likes the abstract idea of Brexit. An abstract idea is fantasy.

In reality, Brexit has proven to be undeliverable - every single practical idea of what Brexit could be is deeply unpopular.

May's deal is deeply unpopular, no deal is deeply unpopular, Liechtenstein is deeply unpopular.

If somebody is on the edge of a multi-storey car park for six hours shouting loudly that they're going to throw themselves off but is secretly having second thoughts, relenting and retreating is a far better option than throwing themselves off for fear of losing face.

Far better to lose face and survive than not lose face and self-destruct.




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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 17, 2019, 03:58:41 PM »
I don't understand people. A no deal Brexit would be an unmitigated disaster not just for Britain but for Ireland and the EU. No sane person wants that and certainly I do not believe many voted for that. It's an entirely reasonable request for a compromise. After the abuse and smears continuosly directed at this man by the Tories I think it's quite reasonable to test whether May is just playing to the gallery or genuinely interested in finding a solution. She hasn't a genuine bone in her body. Despite being a Remain campaigner she seems perfectly happy to let Britain leave the EU with no deal in order to keep her position.

The face on May when Corbyn asked her to rule it out told the story. She was sick.

Of course everyone wants a deal. But if that is guaranteed on one side, the other can just sit back and wait until its terms are granted, or until, as Sid suggests, Article 50 is withdrawn. Its ludicrous.

The biggest issue has been giving parliament a vote on the deal - there are so many different factions that was always going to result in stalemate.

The only way I can see out of it is through a general election. Perhaps at that point labour will run on second referendum ticket. That isn't the golden bullet people seem to think it will be either however.

The problem in the first place was having the referendum.

The UK does not have a written constitution and has always operated on a system of parliamentary sovereignty, ie. that parliament decides.

The UK's first referendum was 1975, and 2016 was only the third ever.

In 1975, Margaret Thatcher was in fact one of the few people to warn of the dangers that introducing the concept of a referendum posed to British politics - that it introduced a hostile, rival system of lawmaking to the existing parliamentary system.

The constitutional difference between Ireland and the UK as regards referendums is as follows: Ireland has a written constitution - we have had many referendums, but they are always constitutional ones, and the options are always defined. We NEVER hold non-constitutional referendums. The UK held an advisory referendum with no status in law where one option was completely undefined.

My take on what people voted for when they voted for Brexit, is that they were voting to retain all the benefits of European Union membership, and none of the responsibilities.

They voted to stop immigration, yet have full free movement rights themselves.
They voted for the ability to make their own trade deals, yet have full access to the single market, and no budget obligations.

They voted to have full membership of the golf club, with full playing rights on the course, use of the gym, swimming pool and bar etc. for free.

Voting for Brexit was like voting for all taxes to be abolished yet public spending to simultaneously be quadrupled.

The EU says: "We can't offer you that - it is fundamentally undeliverable."

But the Brits say: "But that's what we voted for! Get on with it and give us what we want!"

The EU respond: "We can't. You are living in a la la land."

Brexit was fundamentally undeliverable because it was a fantasy idea based on deep seated ideas of Britain's "glorious" past. It was an attempt to magically transplant the past into the future. The Tory party gave in to these delusions. David Cameron, more than any one person, is responsible for this mess because he agreed to opening the door to it.

There's no silver bullet that will get Britain out of the mess it created for itself, only least worst options.

Vote for the deal that most people hate and which even pro-Brexiteers say is worse than EU membership, and nobody will be happy, and it would be hugely divisive.

Stumble into no deal, and it would be a disaster. Britain would be ripe for destruction by anarcho-capitalists.

A second referendum could still leave open the possibility of no deal and would be again incredibly divisive, with far right rhetoric poisoning public discourse.

Withdrawing Article 50 unilaterally would be incredibly divisive. It could easily lead to a rise of the far right. But so could all the other options, with no deal likely being the worst case in this regard.

So all options, are, frankly, shit.

But withdrawing Article 50 now looks like the least worst option, and it's an option that has become more likely.

The flipside is; no deal has also become more likely.






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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 17, 2019, 03:13:09 PM »
SF swear an oath at Stormont. A British manufactured political assembly that recognises Northern Ireland and partition. What’s the difference swearing an oath to this than at Westminster?

It’s government on the island of Ireland for the north of Ireland and no allegiance to a foreign sovereign state. I would have thought this much is obvious.

The north is under British rule. It’s part of the uk. It’s a British political entity. It may have its own assembly like Scotland and Wales, but it’s a British state. As hard as that is for some people to admit, that’s the reality.
Rhats what all the parties to the GFA signed up to and the Irish people voted for it.
Anyway back to the subject -where does the British Parliament to from here?
Does some Labour MP put down a Motion to not allow a No Deal Exit, will enough Conservatives back that or abstain?
Or is it just continue the farce?

I don't see how you can put down a motion not to allow a no deal exit, as though it in itself was a deal - its not, its the lack of a deal. Seems blindingly obvious, but given how its discussed you'd wonder if this is understood.

How would any motion to say UK can't leave EU without a deal work? It couldn't, unless in the scenario where there was no time limit.

Its also a ludicrous thing to suggest because if it was possible, then you are just giving the EU the entire power in the negotiations.
Why not have a motion that if no Brexit deal can be agreed on in parliament, Article 50 must be unilaterally withdrawn?

The deal has already been negotiated and during all that time, the threat of no deal was there. There is no other deal.

The problem with Brexit is Brexit.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 16, 2019, 11:55:47 AM »
Adolph the imaginary victim projecting again and refusing to answer any questions again, exactly the same as every post since he registered, and when he was foxkkkommander.



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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 16, 2019, 11:40:42 AM »

It must be awful to go through life with such a sense of low self-worth and a disturbing level of self-loathing.
It must be. Any chance you might tell us what it feels like, given that you so obviously experience such?

Come up with something original Sid. That's the sort of response you expect from an 8 year old. You and Eamonnca1 must be swapping notes at elementary school.

Since you are celebrating it, how about explaining how whites being a minority will benefit the US.
Or is this just a case of wanting to be a minority so you can pretend you are oppressed and gain victim status?
Democrats love nothing more than playing the victim.
You're projecting again.  ;D

How does whites being a majority benefit the US?

Whites being a minority would of course benefit the US because the current white majority tends to vote in larger numbers for deeply regressive, racist, kleptocratic politics.

A majority-minority situation would mean that such politics could likely never again win. That would be great thing.

You do realise by engaging with me in such a hostile manner on this subject you're only proving me right, yes?  ;D

So no whites vote for Democrats,,,, or are you saying both Republicans and democrats are deeply regressive, racist.......

Also, older people tend to vote republican. Some of the older voters switch parties, so democrat now doesn't necessarily mean democrat later.

Additionally, second or third generation migrant start to drift over to republican, so again, even if whites become the minority, that in itself doesn't indicate the demise of the Republican party.

Lastly, their are big sections of the US, (North East, California, Chicago, where whites are worried about becoming the minority, nobody cares. Paycheques, mortgages, college tuition are far more important issues than the colour of the political representatives.
 
Deary me.

It's amazing how some people will try to twist a point and throw back a strawman that wasn't used.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 16, 2019, 12:07:37 AM »
My own 2 quids worth tells me something’s up... how is sterling rallying in the face of all this chaos??

I reckon it’s the fact no deal looks to be completely off the table at this stage that has caused it but there are still some stormy waters depending on what happens tomorrow night. A general election, deal, extension and a people’s vote are very realistic options still but tomorrow night and the weekend will tell a tale... it’s hard to not watch the coverage I wish I could just switch it off but there’s too much mad/unprecedented shit going on!!
I don't see a general election before March 29th as a realistic possibility.

The UK cannot unilaterally extend Article 50. They can unilaterally withdraw it however, which is definitely a possibility.

An extension to Article 50 would likely depend on there being a second referendum. There's a lot of talk about a second referendum, but I'm not at all convinced it will happen.

So I think no deal is still a live possibility because there has to be a major material change in circumstances for it to be avoided.


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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 15, 2019, 10:54:16 PM »
whitey - learn to read, mate, because you're doing yourself no favours with your spectacular comprehension fails and shrieking desperation to take offence at perfectly reasonable posts.

How many “white” citizens of the States have you actually spoken to in the past 12 months?
Plenty, not that it's relevant, because it isn't. I often wonder how many people you speak to. I assume it's not many because you're so obviously trapped in your own little far right echo chamber.

The data backs me up, by the way.

Adolph's little outburst when confronted with some home truths explicitly backs me up.

The reality of who votes for who in US politics backs me up.

Trump supporters like yourself suffer from "white minority derangement syndrome".

I’m a conservative, but not a Trump supporter.  I obviously agree with Trump on things like taxes and regulation and the need for border security, but that’s about it

I would love to see tha “data” that backs up all these one in one conversations you had where supposedly “whites in the US continue to embrace such regressive, backward, hate-filled politics in the numbers that they're doing”
Lolzers, nobody takes you remotely seriously when say you aren't a Trump supporter. You're a classic fearful, insular Trump-supporting bigot.

Sure thing on the data.

http://www.news.ucsb.edu/2016/017338/threatened-diversity
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/19/E4330
https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study
https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/ps-political-science-and-politics/article/explaining-the-trump-vote-the-effect-of-racist-resentment-and-antiimmigrant-sentiments/537A8ABA46783791BFF4E2E36B90C0BE/core-reader

Care to explain to me why minorities, especially blacks, have pretty much completely abandoned the Republican party?

Care to explain to me why the crowds at Trump's Nuremberg-style rallies are universally white?

These are rhetorical questions, by the way.

You are living in a fantasy land.






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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 15, 2019, 10:50:16 PM »

It must be awful to go through life with such a sense of low self-worth and a disturbing level of self-loathing.
It must be. Any chance you might tell us what it feels like, given that you so obviously experience such?

Come up with something original Sid. That's the sort of response you expect from an 8 year old. You and Eamonnca1 must be swapping notes at elementary school.

Since you are celebrating it, how about explaining how whites being a minority will benefit the US.
Or is this just a case of wanting to be a minority so you can pretend you are oppressed and gain victim status?
Democrats love nothing more than playing the victim.
You're projecting again.  ;D

How does whites being a majority benefit the US?

Whites being a minority would of course benefit the US because the current white majority tends to vote in larger numbers for deeply regressive, racist, kleptocratic politics.

A majority-minority situation would mean that such politics could likely never again win. That would be great thing.

You do realise by engaging with me in such a hostile manner on this subject you're only proving me right, yes?  ;D


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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 15, 2019, 10:44:55 PM »
Suppose May wins the no confidence vote and turns around and puts deferring Article 50 pending the result of a 2nd referendum to the House of Commons? She'd win the vote and the British people could vote again with a clear idea of what they're voting for - a no deal Brexit.
But why should a no deal Brexit be on the ballot paper in a second referendum and May's deal not?

A no deal Brexit has far less Commons support than May's deal.

In terms of a second referendum, May's deal being routed in parliament is basically irrelevant, because the whole point of a referendum is to render parliament irrelevant.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: January 15, 2019, 09:42:20 PM »
May is terrible. David Cameron was worse. There's a special place in the dunces corner of British politics specially reserved for him, forever.

To hold a referendum, a device inherently unsuited to the British parliamentary system, in fact not just unsuited but inherently hostile to it, in which one choice was defined and the other choice was talking unicorns, was the most irresponsible act, outside of going to war, in modern British political history, perhaps of all time.


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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: January 15, 2019, 09:35:09 PM »
whitey - learn to read, mate, because you're doing yourself no favours with your spectacular comprehension fails and shrieking desperation to take offence at perfectly reasonable posts.

How many “white” citizens of the States have you actually spoken to in the past 12 months?
Plenty, not that it's relevant, because it isn't. I often wonder how many people you speak to. I assume it's not many because you're so obviously trapped in your own little far right echo chamber.

The data backs me up, by the way.

Adolph's little outburst when confronted with some home truths explicitly backs me up.

The reality of who votes for who in US politics backs me up.

Trump supporters like yourself suffer from "white minority derangement syndrome".


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