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Dec,

Many thanks...what a tremendous resource you have there.

I'm looking to get a chronology of every championship game played since my club was founded...this will really help.

Now, if you have this sort of stuff, what else have you harvested from sites no longer around?

After all, we are but keepers of the flame...

 

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Does anyone have some sort of GAA Annual from these years that can help?


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GAA Discussion / Football Championship results from 1989 and 1990
« on: March 19, 2007, 09:19:29 PM »
Can anyone help me locate the football championship results from 1989 and 1990?  Especially Connacht, Munster, and Leinster provincial games.

Thanks,  BH

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Scoring Goal.
« on: January 22, 2007, 04:28:22 AM »
The scoring goal in Croker is at the Hill end.  Kerry Mike will testify that PTG proved this to be the case. :)

Somehow I think Kerry Mike's crowd have a damn sight more scores in either of Croke Park depositories than all of PTG's countymen over the years.

And the Hill end is indeed the main scoring goal...but has anyone any stats to back it up?


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GAA Discussion / Re: Kingdom Come
« on: December 26, 2006, 01:36:58 AM »
Do you need facts from the book, or get to own a copy of it?

My copy is not for sale.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Rankings in Football - from Irish Independent
« on: December 20, 2006, 03:41:00 AM »

Roscommon ahead of Sligo and Leitrim.... I don't think so!   ???
What form is that based on?

2006 League has Roscommon with 5 wins, Sligo 3, Leitrim 2.  Leitrim has 1 win the last two championships. 


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GAA Discussion / Re: Rankings in Football - from Irish Independent
« on: December 15, 2006, 06:48:43 AM »
Ran a test for 2005 and 2006 league and Championships.  No weighting for 2006 being more recent (equal value for both years).  My Rules were: Add total league points, with double for Div 1A and 1B; 2 points for losing league semi-final, 4 points for losing league final, 5 points for winning league.  3 points for provincial championship win, 5 points for provincial win.  2 points for every qualifier win.  5 points for quarter-final win, 7 for semi-final win, 10 for taking Sam home.

Here's the rankings with point totals:

1 Kerry    96
2 Mayo    74
3 Tyrone 72
4 Armagh 71
5 Dublin   60
6 Laois     51
7 Galway  50
8 Cork     47
9 Derry    43
10 Meath 39
11 Down  37
11 Wexford 37
13 Kildare   36
14 Donegal 34
15 Fermanagh 33
16 Offaly       32
17 Monaghan 29
18 Westmeath 28
19 Cavan    27
20 Louth    26
20 Limerick 26
22 Roscommon 22
23 Longford 21
24 Sligo    20
25 Clare    18
26 Leitrim 16
26 Carlow 16
28 Antrim 12
29 Tipperary    8
30 Wicklow     7
31 Waterford  6
32 London      0



All work filed under "Fodder for the Pub, Winter 2006". 





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GAA Discussion / Re: Rankings in Football - from Irish Independent
« on: December 12, 2006, 06:23:46 PM »
Looking forward to seeing it, at Hound's convenience of course.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Rankings in Football - from Irish Independent
« on: December 12, 2006, 05:53:41 PM »
Thanks armaghniac...Hound, what was your scoring system and the length of your timeframe?  Diminishing points for previous years?  Or just one year by itself?

Thanks,  BH.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rankings in Football - from Irish Independent
« on: December 12, 2006, 05:26:44 PM »
So what's the best way to rank counties? 

League and championship performance together over a year, with increasing value for each win as the year progresses?   

Say 1 point for league win, half point for draw, 2 bonus points for making league semi-finals, 2 points for league semi-final win, 5 for winning league.

Then 3 for each championship win, 5 for provincial title, 2 for each qualifier win, 7 for semi-final win, 10 for Sam.

Should a team get a bonus of 2 points for making a provincial final (hardly in Munster, but in Ulster it seems fair to do so).

The big question then becomes...who has time to figure all this out for 2006?  and 2005?  and 2004? 

Let's agree on the points awarding method first, and we'll see from there.





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So how does the club results circus actually work? 

I had a gripe with one set of inaccurate club results and was told that the results were taken from hoganstand. Where do hoganstand get the data?  If they depend on rte's aertel service, no wonder things are screwed up fairly regularly.

Mind you, several years ago I had the opportunity to attend a Kerry County Board meeting that was trying to get results from lower division games from weeks and months prior.  Once I established a lot of our opponents had no delegate at the meeting, our win ratio improved a lot.  Ended up in third place out of 12 teams, when eighth was correct.  Made no difference for promotion or relegation, but that was the way it worked back then.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Declan O'Sullivan Available For Kerry in '07
« on: December 06, 2006, 09:57:59 PM »
AZOffaly;

The county champions name the captain.  Obviously, if the county champions have a player on the starting 15, he will be captain.  If they have no player they can pick any member of the starting 15.  They are not obliged to name a player from the losing county final team. 

Example:  1984 captain was Ambrose O'Donovan, as nominated by Killarney (county champions, whose sole panellist was Diarmuid O'Donoghue).  Killarney beat Feale Rangers in the County Final in 1983, by the way, and not O'Donovan's team (I think Gneeveguilla, Glenflesk, Rathmore, and Spa were playing as Eoghan Rua at the time).

The fallout from 2001, with Eoin Brosnan taking captaincy for the AI semifinal was a lot worse.

There should be absolutely no pressure on SK to nominate any Crokes player...but I'll bet there is open canvassing for it by more than one player's club.

Pub fodder for the winter is all it is...decisions will be made and stuck with.  If anything, it shows the integrity of Jack O'Connor in being able to drop his own clubman as his policy was whoever was doing best in training will start.  A high bar for Pat O'Shea in that area.

The method of selecting the captain has worked well for Kerry, obviously, so why change?  Not like there are models that are more successful.

No Kerryman has received Sam Maguire twice as captain, although Dick Fitzgerald was captain of two All Ireland winning teams (in 1913 and 1914) before Sam Maguire was first awarded (1928).  Dick Fitzgerald also lends his name to Killarney's Fitzgerald Stadium.  The fact that Dick died by his own hand has not been linked to his losing the captaincy, although many the conspiracy theory abounds. 

The captaincy in Kerry can be a very divisive issue if not managed properly.  The County Board, team manager, winning club, and players that may be captain have a responsibility to get it right for the common good they are all interested in. 

In sunny California (Northern) today.  Long sleeved shirt, no jacket.




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GAA Discussion / Re: Declan O'Sullivan Available For Kerry in '07
« on: December 05, 2006, 06:08:44 PM »
AZ...hardly up to O'Shea to give the captaincy to anyone.  Thought the SK board decide that issue.  Basically, the decision will be between Sheehan and Dec.  If only one of them starts a game, he will be captain.  If both start, I presume it will be Sheehan, since he has not had the honour before.  If neither start, SK nominate the captain from any other club (not necessarily beaten county finalists, Dr. Crokes).

I'm in Phoenix today, by the way. 

In short-sleeved shirt.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Munster Senior Club Final Dr Crokes V The Nire
« on: December 05, 2006, 03:35:35 PM »
Would the winners be expected to keep training hard over the next few months?  If the Crokes were to make it out of Munster, Gooch, Eoin, Cremin, and O'Leary will basically have no off-season, as the NFL will start in early Feb. 

Hardly the best way to prepare for a stern defending of Sam.

Would be interesting to go back over the club winners and check how many players went on to AI success the same year.  I bet not too many.

 

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GAA Discussion / Re: South Kerry Minor Final - Unsavoury scenes.
« on: November 28, 2006, 11:40:15 PM »
Couldn't find the appropraite thread but this was closest. Read somewhere today that Cooper's Dr Crokes became the first Kerry team to beat Nemo in the Munster Championship. Is this true?
O'Neill, think it's the first time Nemo haven't won Munster when they were in the competition itself.

oneill,

Nemo Rangers have 15 Cork County titles, and have 13 Munster Club titles.  Apart from this year, 1977 was the only year they failed to come out of Munster.  The All Ireland Club series, played in spring of 1978, had Thomond College, Limerick as Munster representatives.

Some record by Nemo, in fairness to them.

No idea if Thomond beat Nemo that year, and have no idea on where to look for any such records.




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