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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 20, 2019, 02:26:39 AM »
ROI v NI in Dundalk?

Isle of Man maybe?

Turn it into two legs in Glasgow...one at Ibrox and one at Celtic Park...Thursday and the following Tuesday...that's a long weekend in every sense.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 19, 2019, 10:54:27 PM »
ROI v NI in Dundalk?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« on: November 17, 2019, 07:11:30 PM »
17 Nov Update.


Senior Football

QF: 10 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) 1-11 Rathgormack (Waterford) 0-11
QF: 10 Nov. Nemo Rangers (Cork) 1-9 Newcastle West (Limerick) 0-9

SF: 17 Nov. Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary) 0-9 St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) 0-7
SF: 17 Nov.  Nemo Rangers (Cork) 2-17 Austin Stacks (Kerry) 0-5

Final: 1 Dec. Nemo Rangers (Cork) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary)

Intermediate Football

QF: 9 Nov. Templenoe (Kerry) 5-12 St. Saviours (Waterford) 2-9
QF: 9 Nov. St. Breckans (Clare) 2-13 Galtee Gaels (Limerick) 1-11

SF: 17 Nov. Templenoe (Kerry) 1-17 Éire Óg (Cork) 0-12
SF: 17 Nov. St. Breckans (Clare) 0-12 Moycarkey-Borris (Tipperary) 0-5

Final:  1 Dec. Templenoe (Kerry) v St. Breckans (Clare)

Junior Football

QF: 16 Nov. Na Gaeil (Kerry) 2-11 Kilshannig (Cork) 2-3
QF: 16 Nov. Croom (Limerick) 0-8 Ballyduff Lower (Waterford) 0-6

SF: 23 Nov.  Na Gaeil (Kerry) v Michael Cusacks (Clare) v in Austin Stack Park, Tralee 1pm
SF: 23 Nov.  Mullinahone (Tipperary) v Croom (Limerick) in Tipperary venue 1pm

Final: 8 Dec.

Senior Hurling

QF: 3 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) 1-21 Sixmilebridge (Clare) 0-12
SF: 10 Nov. Borris-Ileigh (Tipperary) 1-7 Glen Rovers (Cork) 3-8
SF: 10 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) 0-17 Patrickswell (Limerick) 0-9

Final: 24 Nov. Ballygunner (Waterford) v Borris-Ileigh (Tipperary) in Páirc Uí Rinn @ 2pm

Intermediate Hurling

QF: 3 Nov. Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) 2-19 Blackrock (Limerick) 1-20 AET
QF: 3 Nov. Ballysaggart (Waterford) 2-14 Causeway (Kerry) 0-15

SF: 10 Nov. Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) 3-22 Broadford (Clare) 0-14
SF: 10 Nov. Ballysaggart (Waterford) 0-15 Sean Treacys (Tipperary) 1-11

Final: 24 Nov.  Ballysaggart (Waterford) v Fr. O’Neill’s (Cork) in Dungarvan 1:30pm

Junior Hurling

QF: 16 Nov. Russell Rovers (Cork) 2-21 Kilgarvan (Kerry) 1-11
QF: 16 Nov. St. Mary’s (Waterford) 3-10 Castletown-Ballyagran (Limerick) 0-14

SF: 23 Nov. Russell Rovers (Cork) w/o (Clare) scr.
SF: 23 Nov.  Carrick Davins (Tipperary) v St. Mary’s (Waterford) in Tipperary

Final: 8 Dec. Russell Rovers v Carrick Davins (Tipperary) or St. Mary’s (Waterford) in Mallow


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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 16, 2019, 01:29:24 AM »
Seems each of these groups will have a two semi-finals (single leg at home of higher seed) and a final to get to Euro 2020.

That Group B could be Bosnia & Herzegovina, Wales, ROI and NI, although a group A trip to Iceland would be fun for either of the teams with Ireland in their name.

No rigged draws allowed, I'm sure, unless FIFA get involved,

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 16, 2019, 01:21:30 AM »
Anyone understand how the play-offs for the last 4 teams works?

UEFA website says the following, but I can't figure out how the ties are broken...

On the basis of the current European Qualifiers standings, the following teams would be involved in the play-offs (teams in bold confirmed):

Path A: Iceland, Bulgaria/Israel/Romania*, Wales/Slovakia/Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland**
Path B: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Wales/Slovakia/Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland**
Path C: Scotland, Norway, Serbia, Bulgaria/Israel/Romania*
Path D: Georgia, North Macedonia, Kosovo, Belarus

*In the current scenario, a draw would decide which of Bulgaria, Israel or Romania would fill the empty slot in Path C, and which two would go into Path A.

**In the current scenario, a draw would decide which three of Wales, Slovakia, Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland would join Bosnia and Herzegovina in Path B, and which one would go into Path A.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Colm O'Rourke vs. the GPA
« on: November 16, 2019, 01:16:15 AM »
Good to see we keeping up the good ole amateur team ethos of the Gaa. Where it all go wrong.

Sentences with words missing was the start...

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 14, 2019, 06:52:49 PM »
So how many ‘clubs’ could represent Kerry in Munster?

Im PRO with lancashire GAA. We hosted Kerry in the All Ireland Semi-Final in 2016. We held them to a draw at half time. They got three goals at start of second half to pull away. Adrian spillane got man of the match. . Jason Foley also played that day.

Two Kerry clubs, Skellig Rangers and brosna have beaten the Lancashire Champions, John mitchels twice, in All-Ireland’s junior Championship Final by narrow margins.

One of the 8 senior clubs represents Kerry in Munster senior championship.

Kerry have 16 intermediate, 16 premier junior (the winner of which represents Kerry in the Munster junior championship), 16 junior teams and 12 novice teams.

That's 68 stand-alone clubs.  Only senior, intermediate and premier junior winners go on to Munster, so technically 40 clubs are eligible to represent Kerry.

A good footballer from any of the 60 non-senior clubs will be able to play in the county championship with one of the 9 divisional sides, which is the whole point of having divisions. 


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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 14, 2019, 08:19:21 AM »
What is the difference between the club and the county championship? Unless I’m reading your post wrong and there is no difference

The club championship is purely for clubs...divided into senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior and novice.  The only way to progress upward is to win your level...of course there is relegation between levels as well.  The winners of the intermediate and premier junior represent Kerry in the Munster club championships.

The county championship is for the 8 senior clubs and the divisional sides representing all the remaining clubs in the county.  The county champions, if a club team, will represent Kerry in the Munster club championship.  If a divisional side wins the county championship (like this year with East Kerry, a conglomerate of 6 clubs), the senior club champions, Austin Stacks in 2019, will represent Kerry in the Munster club championship.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 13, 2019, 10:33:39 PM »
Great answers thanks!

The amount of games in Kerry seems to be very good.  The training to game ratio must be nice with so many competitions. 

A final question - How many of these competitions would County players be involved in?
At a guess i'm thinking minimal involvement in the leagues, available for club, county and divisional championships?

Edit: It would appear that all the championships have a different order of importance but all carry prestige and are taken seriously?

County players will play in the club championships (senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior and novice) in April and in both county and divisional championships, which don't start until the county season is over.

The last round of the county league is usually after the county season is over as well, so a club with a county man will be stronger if promotion or relegation is in the balance. 

For the average club player who doesn't make it to the divisional team, he will have the following minimum number of games:

Feb/March: 3 divisional league games (possible semi and final)
March-Sept: 11 county league games
April: 3 club championship group games (possible semi and final or 2 relegation games)
Oct-Dec: 1 divisional championship game minimum

So that's a minimum of 18 games a year.  Being on a divisional team or being part of a senior club team guarantees at least two games in the county championship.




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GAA Discussion / Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« on: November 12, 2019, 10:53:12 PM »
A few edits to my 10 Nov update...intermediate football game in Lisdoonvarna jumps out...has anyone been there for...eh...the craic?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 12, 2019, 09:33:18 PM »
My ranking of the importance of Kerry's competitions to players:

1) County Championship
2) Club championships, senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior, novice
3) divisional championships
4) county league
5) divisional league

My opinion is all...some might switch 2 and 3.

More questions:
Are the divisional championships played between club teams in that Divisional area as oppose to between divisional sides?

Do club senior teams play in all these championships? Is there separate reserve teams or what?

Is there a divisional teams only competition?

Finally, is there a reason the County Championship is played this time of year? Weather being shite and all that.

Divisional Championships are played within each division only and usually occur in November/December.  The North Kerry championship is often described as the toughest football championship to win (and equally tough to play in, by some reports), although the quality has dipped in the last few years.  This year, East Kerry championship is at quarter-final stage right now, with Dr. Crokes playing Kilcummin this Saturday 16 Nov.  South Kerry's championship often concludes on St. Stephen's Day, much to the delight of visitors - AZ can add more on the local rivalries in that corner of the world.

Senior teams only in divisional championships.  There are very few "reserve" teams in Kerry (referred to as B teams), with one major exception in Dr. Crokes B playing in Division 2 of the County League this year.  Most B teams (and a Dr. Crokes C team)  play in Division 5 of the county league and have no other games.  Kerry clubs also have a Friday night junior league to play in, run by the County Board, but I'm not certain what qualifies or prevents a player in participating and not all clubs field a team.  The county board are missing a trick in not getting those Friday night games on some sort of broadcast - "Friday Night Fights by Players Not So Light".

I might add that a club's senior team in Kerry is what you might call the first team - even if in division 5 of the county league.  So the Kilgarvan senior team plays in the county novice championship...ok?

No divisional teams competition exists at this time, although back a few decades there was a "Kerryman Shield" competition to give the divisional sides competitive action before the county championship started up.

Regarding timing of the county championship, that is entirely driven by the county team's exit from the All-Ireland.  Pre-Super 8's, the first round was always held the week after the Munster Final which greatly helped the back end of the championship. 

This year saw the first round set for 14/15 September (All-Ireland final on 1 Sept), but the replay scuppered that.  Instead Rounds 1, 2 and 3 were played on consecutive weekends starting the weekend after the All-Ireland replay.  One Rd 3 game was postponed a week, but all quarter finals were played on 19/20 October.  Semi-finals the following weekend, with one replay on 3 Nov.  Final on 10 November and Munster club game for Kerry representatives (Austin Stacks) on 17 November, since they won the Club championship back in April (senior, intermediate, premier junior, junior and novice championships held and completed in April).

A Dr. Crokes player on the county team has played 6 county championship games since the All-Ireland replay on 15 September, and has an East Kerry quarter final this Saturday and they will be hoping for more games into December.

Weather has not caused any postponements so far, shite and all as it might be.

EDIT:  I must add that each divisional area also runs a league competition, usually held in February/early March before the county league starts.  In East Kerry, it is known as the East Kerry Super League...no premierships or any ordinary titles.  A good preseason-type tournament that gets each club 4 or 5 games early in the year.



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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 12, 2019, 01:43:45 AM »
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.

Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage.   Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.

If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas.  The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.

Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.

But none do, to me it reeks of manipulation.

No county to my knowledge has a senior championship with less that 10 teams in it other than Kerry and Kerry is a county with a huge football tradition, a big population and a huge number of clubs. It's designed to manipulate their advantage at intermediate and junior level and in the AI series and I don't think they should be permitted to enter clubs in junior and intermediate AI level while they run their senior championship is such a closed shop manner.

It is not "designed" to create an advantage in intermediate and junior level and in the AI series, but that may be a consequence of it.

I would feel it is. It's designed to give all their club sides an advantage on the AI scene.

Open to correction but I think they "designed" this system before the inter and junior club AIs even existed. Sneaky kerry hoors

Yes indeed...and then it was Sean Kelly who brought in the club All-Ireland...plan took 80 years or so, but we got there. 

How many Kerry GAA Presidents before Sean, you ask? 

None.

Obviously.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 11, 2019, 09:05:05 PM »
Other big counties having 8 senior clubs would only make the problem worse in the intermediate and junior all Ireland championships. Kerry are free to run their championship however they want but the likes of Templenoe shouldn't be allowed compete in an intermediate championship outside the Kerry.

Why not? 

Less than a decade ago Templenoe languished in division 5 of the Kerry county league...48 teams ahead of them. 

Here's their rise through the club championship ranks in Kerry, remember that the only way to move up a grade is to win your current competition:

2013 Won Novice, promoted to Junior
2014 Lost Junior quarter final
2015 Won Junior, and won All-Ireland Junior title (beating Ardnaree Sarsfields from Mayo in the final by 4-13 to 1-9)

2016 Lost Intermediate final to Kenmare Shamrocks
2017 Lost Intermediate final to An Ghaeltacht
2018 Lost Intermediate semi-final to Kilcummin

2019 Won Intermediate (beating An Ghaeltacht in the final)
2020 Will play Senior club championship

From 2020 onwards does not paint a pretty picture as population is declining rapidly.  It is almost a freak coincidence that a small rural club can provide 4 players to the county team panel.  Without the 4 county men, Templenoe were relegated from div 1 this year...indeed they could not field a team one August weekend and had to forfeit...something unheard of in the top 3 or 4 divisions, let alone division 1.

If Kerry had 12 senior teams, then Templenoe would have won novice, junior and intermediate a few years earlier...that's the only difference in my view.

There are stories that Kerry will realign divisions and increase the number of senior clubs soon, but I cannot confirm, or even quote a source, on that.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Munster Club Championships 2019
« on: November 11, 2019, 08:27:04 PM »
I assume this is wrong?

SF: 17 Nov. St. Joseph’s Miltown Malbay (Clare) v Clonmel Commercials (Tipperary)) in Dungarvan 1:30pm. Surely over in Clare somewhere?

Well spotted AZ...hope too many didn't have travel plans made.  Game is in Miltown Malbay.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Kerry Championship
« on: November 11, 2019, 08:22:26 PM »
Nothing to stop any county limiting the clubs to 8 in their championship, although creating divisional sides cannot be easy when starting it off.

Kerry have had divisional sides forever almost...the underlying premise being that a good player, no matter how poor his club team. will have the opportunity to shine on a bigger stage.   Like the soccer players, it was his only chance to "be seen" by county selectors.

If a divisional side made it to the semi-finals of the county championship, you'd always see one or two of previously unknown players getting a run in the league games before Christmas.  The fact that they'd be fitter due to being involved in the late stages of the county championship would only help themselves and the county in the league game as well.

Another unrelated theory was that a county minor should be making a good impression in the senior championship the same year.

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