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General discussion / Re: Willie Frazer and FAIR
« on: June 29, 2019, 07:45:01 PM »
All the bitterness can't have been good for him.
Although he seems to be from a long line of bitterness so is likely to have had it instilled in him anyway but he did have a lot of reason to be bitter.
I’m not sure how well rounded I’d be having suffered the losses he did, without discussing the rights & wrongs of them.
It was probably what killed him as well. Trauma affects people differently. There is loads of trauma in the North.
58 or whatever is a very young age.  Dolours Price was also relatively young when she died.

Did Delours Price not die from a cocktail of  drink/prescription drugs?
Ibwould reckon her past had something to do with that cocktail of anti-depressants and sedatives.

Not too many active players from the troubles die peacefully in their beds having enjoyed old age I imagine?

Kevin McKenna and Billy McKee both died in the last few weeks

GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo v Armagh- Round 3 Qualifier
« on: June 29, 2019, 06:47:18 PM »
Are BBC Radio 6 Counties providing match commentary?

Doesn't look like it.

but maybe it is

All-Ireland qualifiers- Round 3
Kildare v Tyrone 17:00 Mayo v Armagh 19:00
Live on BBC Radio Ulster 1341MW @ 16:45



General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: June 27, 2019, 09:05:59 PM »
Brexit civil servant in charge of no-deal planning quits

"The top government official in charge of no-deal Brexit planning has quit just as the chances of crashing out of the EU appear to have increased.
Tom Shinner, 33, director of policy and delivery coordination at the Department for Exiting the EU, was in charge of coordinating the domestic policy implications of Brexit across government departments to ensure a smooth exit from the EU....   "

Do most counties have something similar in place?

The impact that Jarly Óg Burns and Rian O’Neill have in their debut championship season for Armagh has been nothing short of sensational. You might think the Orchard County are fortunate that two such talented players have arrived on the scene together, but it would be wrong to put their emergence down to just luck. Both have come through the Orchard Academy, the coaching and development squad structure first put in place by Paul McGrane and Denis Hollywood back in 2012.

The Orchard Academy’s mission statement is “to broaden participation levels while teaching the skills of the game in formative years and establishing holistic best practice around players in the ‘Learn to Compete' phase of their development.” McGrane and Hollywood recruited the best and brightest coaches in the county, many of them All-Ireland winners in 2002, including Diarmaid Marsden, Benny Tierney, Oisin McConville, John Toal, John McEntee, Paddy McKeever, Philly McEvoy, Cathal O Rourke, Stevie McDonnell and Aidan O Rourke to work with the players.

Burns and O’Neill are two of the first graduates to come right through the system and there are many more promising young footballers snapping at their heels which bodes well for the future of Armagh football. Even more encouragingly if you’re an Armagh supporter, the Orchard Academy is being constantly refined and is in a much stronger place now than it was when it was established seven years ago. A sponsor has recently come on board, Aidan Strain Electrical Engineering (ASEE), and last summer Armagh senior team manaer Kieran McGeeney initiated a review of the coaching pathway in the county

On the back of that, Aidan O’Rourke was appointed the Orchard Academy’s new Manager this year, and is currently implementing a range of initiatives designed to make the county’s underage coaching structures even more productive. “We basically reviewed everything that was going on in the county right from primary schools, clubs, our own development squads, et cetera, and we came back with recommendations to county management in February,” O’Rourke told “They created a new working group for the Orchard Academy group and we rolled out a new programme of Primary School coaching and a revised approach to the development squads and how we bring players through. “From a performance pathway perspective we've moved away from the traditional model of trials and club nominations, et cetera.

“We have a unique environment in so far as we are a small county, but, for whatever reason, our secondary school system is very strong. We would have six schools carrying Armagh players who would compete at the highest level in Ulster, the MacRory Cup. “And, obviously in the other schools they would compete at all of the other levels as well so we are trying to build relationships with those key schools and support coaching there. “And then in the weaker schools we're trying to increase the quality of teams and player development within those schools so ultimately more Armagh players will benefit from increased exposure to quality coaching and competition.”

Development squads have gotten an increasingly bad rap in recent years because they’re deemed to be too elitist, but the Orchard Academy tries to cater for as large a number of players as possible.

“For us, it's about keeping the base as wide as you can and keeping as many involved as we can,” said O’Rourke. “Obviously we're a small county with limited resources so that is difficult challenge and you're always looking at different angles to keep kids involved and not simply identify 30 or 40 kids at 13 or 14 years of age and say you're going to be the best players in this county at 17 and organise all your development opportunities around them. “It's well proven that that's very much a hit and miss approach, more of a miss approach. You try to educate as many people as you can, put these opportunities around them, and that's what our work-shops are for, they're fairly broad ones. “We had U-14 and U-15 coaching development work-shop on Saturday and there was 120 players at it across the two age-groups. “We want to take that batch of players at both age-groups moving forward and give them enough information and understanding about how to improve. “Because, ultimately, there's only so much we can do with them. The majority of their interaction is through their club and school. “We have very small windows with them so we have to try to inject small notions and ideas that can benefit them going forward in terms of educating them in terms of what they can bring back to their club and school.”

Kieran McGeeney’s record as Armagh manager, particularly in the Ulster Championship, has shipped some criticism over the course of the last five years. But what many may not appreciate is that in that time he’s also put a lot of work into Armagh football at all levels away from the limelight and the benefits of that foresight and application are now becoming apparent.

“Kieran has always said from the outset that he wanted to leave Armagh in a more sustainable and better place and that probably the next man in would get the full benefit of the work he wanted to do, he said that from Day One,” said O’Rourke. “Things are starting to come to fruition now and hopefully Kieran can continue to push that on himself. “We'd like to think there's a fair bit of work done in the background that will sustain the senior team challenging in the top tier at Division 1 level over a long period of time.” “The senior team doing well now helps everything below it because young people are going around the county wearing orange jersies and want to go to matches. “I think we're in an environment now where there's a lot of choice. The best 13 or 14 gaelic footballers are also the best rugby players and soccer players. “There's an element of competition and I'm sure it's the same everywhere. When I was coming through you just wanted to play for your club and your county and nothing else, but things have changed.”

When you look at the relatively youthful age profile of the current Armagh team and the swashbuckling brand of football they play, you’d have to say their short to medium term future looks bright. The likes of Jarly Óg Burns and Rian O’Neill may well just be the vanguard of a generation of talented footballers who have had their natural ability hot-housed in the well-run Orchard Academy.

“I'm cautiously optimistic about the senior team currently and I'd be optimistic about what I'd see coming through at the younger age-groups at the minute,” said O’Rourke. “But there's always a warning sticker with all of that. There's just no legislating for a kid's development. Could I identify the best 10 U-14s in Armagh at the minute? Absolutely. “Is there a guarantee that any of those 10 will be in the top 10 U-17s in three years time? There's no guarantee. “I would hope the players who are outside that group currently would prove that wrong anyway. It's not an exact science by any means. “What we're trying to do is do as many things right and well as we can with the limited resources we have to try and uplift the quality of coaching in our development squads first of all. “We also want to uplift the quality of coaching in our clubs and schools to raise the level of competition at underage and above within the county. “You'd like to think it will have an overall impact on the senior team in the long run.”

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: June 27, 2019, 02:15:06 PM »
Do you need a new cover for your yardage book?

GAA Discussion / Re: Monaghan v Armagh Sat 22nd June Clones 7pm
« on: June 20, 2019, 10:09:45 PM »
I fear this is where Armagh's championship campaign will end this summer. Monaghan have got two kicks up the arse from Fermanagh,Cavan and with the mini break and home advantage they should be winning this game. The three games and two extra times has taken a lot out of Armagh and manner of the fade out v Cavan for the last quarter of the replay was not a good sign for supposedly fit team.

Supposedly fit is right. It is obvious from watching Armagh throughout the year that their conditioning and fitness is nowhere near that of the top teams. This is at the end of end of a five year ‘transitional’ period. Whatever about having limited quality regarding players (which you often hear as an excuse for the regression of the counties fortunes) with the investment that has been expended by the county on senior team preparation there is, in my opinion, absolutely no excuse for the team not having the required conditioning.

I think they look like they are unfit at the end of games, not because they are unfit or nor conditioned, but because poor tactics and bad decision making mean that they have had to do more unproductive running during the earlier part of the games.

Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling Championship 2019
« on: June 17, 2019, 02:48:30 PM »
Galway lost once and are out of the championship

Limerick and Cork have lost twice and are still in the championship.

The positions in the Leinster championship table were basically decided on who ran up the biggest score against Carlow.

Clare beat Cork by 5 points in the championship meaning Clare are out and Cork are in.

General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
« on: June 17, 2019, 02:30:37 PM »
6 birdies on the final day of the US Open is pretty good going.

3 bogeys and 2 double bogeys not so much.

GAA Discussion / Re: Down versus Mayo
« on: June 14, 2019, 02:41:50 PM »
Is the canal court hotel near the ground?

Yes. Just a 40 min walk!

40 minutes?

I'd have thought it was much shorter than that unless you've a feed of drink in you.

It is about a mile

GAA Discussion / Re: Wikipedia and GAA
« on: June 13, 2019, 05:53:03 PM »
All volunteers. Head on over to the Gaelic Athletic Association main article. There's a huge section dedicated to bashing the GAA for being a republican conspiracy, most of it written by one editor with a unionist axe to grind. Feel free to trim it back a little. I got into so many arguments with that clown over the years. He felt the need to spell out every single negative thing that was ever said about the Gah by a unionist, so I went over to the Linfield FC page and carefully listed every single sectarian incident associated with that club. They went berserk.

some person whose name is unknown? :)

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: June 13, 2019, 05:42:03 PM »
First round of the Tory leadership contest

Boris Johnson / 114 votes
Jeremy Hunt / 43 votes
Michael Gove / 37 votes
Dominic Raab / 27 votes
Sajid Javid / 23 votes
Matt Hancock / 20 votes
Rory Stewart / 19 votes

Andrea Leadsom / 11 votes
Mark Harper / 10 votes
Esther McVey / 9 votes

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: June 13, 2019, 03:30:36 PM »
October 19th to November 9th

3 of the big 6 plus 2 champions league games.

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: June 13, 2019, 03:23:08 PM »

Friday 9 – Norwich City (H)
Saturday 17 – Southampton (A)
Saturday 24 – Arsenal (H)
Saturday 31 – Burnley (A)


Saturday 14 – Newcastle United (H)
Ch Lg Matchday 1    17–18 September 2019
Saturday 21 – Chelsea (A)
Saturday 28 – Sheffield United (A)


Ch Lg Matchday 2    1–2 October 2019
Saturday 5 – Leicester City (H)
Saturday 19 – Manchester United (A)
Ch Lg Matchday 3    22–23 October 2019
Saturday 26 –Tottenham Hotspur (H)


Saturday 2 – Aston Villa (A)
Ch Lg Matchday 4    5–6 November 2019
Saturday 9 – Manchester City (H)
Saturday 23 – Crystal Palace (A)
Ch Lg Matchday 5    26–27 November 2019
Saturday 30 – Brighton and Hove Albion (H)


Wednesday 4 – Everton (H)
Saturday 7 – Bournemouth (A)
Ch Lg Matchday 6    10–11 December 2019
Saturday 14 – Watford (H)
Saturday 21 – West Ham United (A)
Thursday 26 – Leicester City (A)
Saturday 28 – Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)


Wednesday 1 – Sheffield United (H)
Saturday 11 – Tottenham Hotspur (A)
Saturday 18 – Manchester United (H)
Tuesday 21 – Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)


Saturday 1 – Southampton (H)
Saturday 8 – Norwich City (A)
Saturday 22 – West Ham United (H)
Saturday 29 – Watford (A)


Saturday 7 – Bournemouth (H)
Saturday 14 – Everton (A)
Saturday 21 – Crystal Palace (H)


Saturday 4 – Manchester City (A)
Saturday 11 – Aston Villa (H)
Saturday 18 – Brighton and Hove Albion (A)
Saturday 25 – Burnley (H)


Saturday 2 – Arsenal (A)
Saturday 9 – Chelsea (H)
Sunday 17 – Newcastle United (A)

General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: June 13, 2019, 03:07:49 AM »
Anyone watching Stanley cup game 7 ? Exciting stuff

St Louis Blues are the oldest NHL team without a Stanley cup win. Up 2-0 at the moment.

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