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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 01, 2019, 06:21:58 PM »
It's a good problem to have

It is in one sense in that it means you are doing well but i for one would rather exit the World Club/EFL cup or play the kids if it means that the first teamers get a decent break. League is Number 1 priority by a mile as far as I am concerned. If we could come to some gentleman's agreement with City on loaning them Old Big Ears in return I'd be  quite happy with that!  ;)

Not a chance would I want to see them winning that, no way

City winning the CL or Liverpool winning the league?

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General discussion / Re: Quinn Insurance in Administration
« on: November 01, 2019, 05:19:39 PM »
Absolutely true TabClear. Such US moneymen would also, however, be unlikely to treat the entire exercise as a masquerade to get the greedy b**tard Seanie and his idiot son and nephew the business back.

Fair point. They will have backed the management team of LMC/KL etc (who I assume have equity interest). That doesnt preclude the management team from agreeing with the financiers that they had addressed any perceived risk as above through a consultancy arrangement with SQ. My point is that SS's assertion that SQ was required to get the deal over the line is possible, even likely, otherwise the funders would never have allowed such a lucrative agreement to be put in place. Clearly the US guys must have been ok with the arrangement as I assume  it is paid from company money. What was discussed between SQ and the MBO team as a side agreement we will probably never know so it is pure speculation.

Why were they dealing with middle men if Sean Quinn was integral to the deal? It seems the only clout Quinn may had in any negotiations is calling off the hounds and the hounds were called off in the brief time Quinn was employed at QIH.

What do you mean by middle men? They clearly were backing the management team. As I said, its normal enough in an MBO for funders to want to bring in external advisers/consultants etc to bulk up the management team derisk their investment.  I dont think its unreasonable to assume that they saw SQs decades of experience in running the business as beneficial. Nothing to do with hounds.

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General discussion / Re: Quinn Insurance in Administration
« on: November 01, 2019, 05:15:55 PM »
Marty - You asked a page or two back about what the people in the vicinity think of Sean Quinn and the attacks. 1) I don't think locals believe he was behind the attacks first and foremost. 2) Locals are horrified by the attacks and those that carried them out have little support other than the few loons they always had 3) People think Sean Quinn should be involved in running what they see as his businesses. 4) There is a certain split in what the intentions of the current board is towards the jobs in the area. I think some reasonable people are so horrified by the attacks that they feel that they cannot ask hard questions of the current boards actions or intentions as they risk being seen as being aligned to the attacks.

That's what I understand, outside a survey of facts of course. Now there is also a lot of muck being thrown around on both sides which is making things less than clear.

For example, on prime time McCartan was on about how Lunney got his nose broke and he linked it to an ongoing threats but I understand it that the person who done that was aggrieved over a totally different matter and is not linked to anything going on now.

1. Why don't they believe he was behind the attacks? The current QIH management team seem to be fairly certain that these attacks are orchestrated and financed by a moneyman who stands to gain from the business going back into the hands of the Quinn family.
2. Fair enough but who do they think are behind them and why do they differ so much with views of the victims of the attacks?
3. He lost those business through his own reckless mistakes and behaved abhorrently in hiding assets and reneging on his debts, putting the burden of his mistakes on the taxpayer.
4. What jobs in the area. Apparently QIH employ 840 people locally in the area, in the construction line of the Quinn business empire, what would the employment numbers have been at boom times? How can they shift these jobs. They own all the plant machinery, equipment, property in that area - it would not be financially viable to move. It's not like a technology company. This seems like very poorly thought out excuses from the Quinn cultists. What jobs are under threat? Specifically?

I'm sure there was plenty of kit in Michelin, Gallaghers, Schlumberger, Wrightbus etc. Sometimes it does make financial sense to move despite this.

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General discussion / Re: Quinn Insurance in Administration
« on: November 01, 2019, 05:05:02 PM »
Absolutely true TabClear. Such US moneymen would also, however, be unlikely to treat the entire exercise as a masquerade to get the greedy b**tard Seanie and his idiot son and nephew the business back.

Fair point. They will have backed the management team of LMC/KL etc (who I assume have equity interest). That doesnt preclude the management team from agreeing with the financiers that they had addressed any perceived risk as above through a consultancy arrangement with SQ. My point is that SS's assertion that SQ was required to get the deal over the line is possible, even likely, otherwise the funders would never have allowed such a lucrative agreement to be put in place. Clearly the US guys must have been ok with the arrangement as I assume  it is paid from company money. What was discussed between SQ and the MBO team as a side agreement we will probably never know so it is pure speculation.

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General discussion / Re: Quinn Insurance in Administration
« on: November 01, 2019, 04:45:15 PM »
Weíll park it there. If ur unable to accept a simple fact then itís pointless.

Are you fed up of defending the indefensible? Seems like you are.

You never clarified how SQ helped get the deal done either. It seemed Quinn simply wanted the business empire he had lost during his reckless gambling handed back to him for a song.

The current QIH management team have kept employment in the local area and made the business a viable one. They certainly don't seem to believe it is a vigilante group upset at the betrayal of Quinn who are behind it. They have explicitly stated that they believe the attacks have been financed and organised by a wealthy benefactor who has something to gain with ownership being passed over to the Quinn family.

Try and not be an ostrich all your life.
Good man. And Tyrone has the best championship as well.

You still haven't told us how SQ helped get the deal done?


 I do not have any insider knowledge of the specifics of this deal but if the US moneymen identified a due diligence risk that they needed community support or identified a gap in the operational expertise of the MBO team and thought that SQ would mitigate it then  its perfectly possible that they  made it a condition of providing the finance that SQ was involved in some capacity. That would be normal enough in a buyout like this.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 01, 2019, 01:59:54 PM »
It's a good problem to have

It is in one sense in that it means you are doing well but i for one would rather exit the World Club/EFL cup or play the kids if it means that the first teamers get a decent break. League is Number 1 priority by a mile as far as I am concerned. If we could come to some gentleman's agreement with City on loaning them Old Big Ears in return I'd be  quite happy with that!  ;)

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: October 31, 2019, 04:24:17 PM »
That game was one of the most enjoyable I have seen in a long time. I wanted Liverpool to win but when you dont really care it makes it much easier to watch. The fact Liverpool were behind pretty much all the time helped as well. Did nt have the last five nervousness we have had in all the league games lately.

The kids did well in general but were punished for mistakes which they have to learn. You might get away with errors in the U18/U23s (Yes I'm talking about you Milner  ;)) but at the top level you generally get punished.

The lack of a backup holding midfielder was worrying. Fabinho is fast becoming Liverpools most important player alongside VVD in terms of being close to irreplaceable if there is a longterm injury. We would miss any of the front three etc obviously but the other two are there to compensate. If VVD/Fabinho got injured I do not think we would adapt as easily.

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: October 31, 2019, 04:16:43 PM »
That haka rule is a joke. Should be no rule against a non sporting issue.

Would turning your back to the haka get a fine?

No problem, but you'll be destroyed for disrespect. Think a US u17 team did it to Samoans in 7s awhile ago. Went down like a ton of bricks.

Campese wasnt too bothered about it in 91.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaURdYJxnNY

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GAA Discussion / Re: Retirements
« on: October 25, 2019, 06:18:09 PM »
Bernard Brogan has called it a day with Dublin

One of the best of the last 15 years. In his prime he was unmarkable

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 23, 2019, 04:48:37 PM »
Nigel Dodds is now calling out the UK PM and the Brexit secretary as either liars or incompetent on twitter.

Looks like the DUP have now gone full rogue against the Tories, could we yet see them switch sides to a softer customs union Brexit option in tandem with the opposition. Either way they are loving this media spotlight.

The media spotlight they love could also be termed: give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.

The problem with that particular shower is that they have no shame. Some of the ramblings of their so called senior party members are borderline deranged, hypocritical and so nonsensical that they make the Donald look measured and yet they still get voted back in as long as themmums dont like it.

If they screw themselves with the Tories they could nt care less, as long as they can crow on TV about how they stood up for the Union (and fcuk the unionist businesses, farmers etc that will suffer as a consequence) 

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General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: October 23, 2019, 09:52:53 AM »
What might have been....Probably teh best striker in the world right now.

At 31, Lewandowski is probably unlikely to catch either Messi or Ronaldo but his goalscoring statistics, particularly at an age when some players are past their best, are hugely impressive. But Lewandowski's career could have taken a very different trajectory if not for a volcano preventing him from joining Blackburn from Polish side Lech Poznanback in April 2010. The eruption of an Icelandic volcano nine years ago and the ash cloud that it created resulted in his flight to England's north-west being cancelled. "I couldn't go because of the cloud. It was the volcano. The volcano with the ash cloud," Lewandowski, who eventually signed for Borussia Dortmund in June 2010, told the Times.

"It was one week and nobody could fly in Europe. The flight was booked, but we couldn't leave. It changed my life. If I had gone to Blackburn maybe I would have stayed there."

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: October 21, 2019, 07:51:34 AM »
Decent point given how Liverpool played. On paper that was in the top 3-4 hardest games all year and it is a sign of how far Liverpool have come that its disappointing only to take a point from OT when they play poorly. United are nowhere near as bad as is being made out and I expect them to rise up the table pretty quickly.

There is a lack of creativity in midfield when teams sit back against Liverpool and try to play on the break. Keita/Ox may give more attacking options and will get into the box more but they are less defensively minded. On the VAR no issue obviously with the Mane one, thats they way the rules are so fair enough. I On the MU goal I cannot see why the onfield ref doesn't check that himself. It was borderline and I can see why a ref in a studio does not want to overrule but how much longer would it take to go to the side of the pitch and review. There was much more blatant decisons on Saturday not overruled. Having seen VAR in action this year I actually think  it should be limited to factual checks e.g. offside rather than anything that has a level of subjectivity.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: October 18, 2019, 09:46:42 AM »



I think there was a bit of negativity regarding him alright. And there can be for these types of players who may look limited in footballing ability but are absolutely vital for teams to maintain the high tempo that Liverpool play to and the pressing game. Lucas was another one that got horrendous abuse early in his career but proved himself over time. It can be the Match of the day effect. Henderson will rarely look great on MotD as he rarely does the spectacular and doesn't get much air time in the highlights. But he works his arse of and anyone watching the full game will generally see what he brings to the table.

Thats a lot to do with it for the "armchair" supporter. I watch most Liverpool games right through and appreciate the work Henderson does but as you say, not much ends up on MoTD. Pogba is the polar opposite in my view. On the highlights he will have 2 or three brilliant moments or pieces of skill and looks good for Linekar & Co but for 95% of the game he is anonymous, uninterested or not involved.

There is a place for both types of players in certain teams/matches but Liverpool's system needs the workhorses in midfield. The likes of Pogba would seriously unbalance it. I think its one of the reasons Liverpool were happy to sanction the Couthinho sale when it was obvious he wanted to go. People attribute the improvement in Liverpool defensively to VVD arriving and clearly that has been teh primary reason. However, I think Couthinho's departure also had an impact. By his leaving it automatically means that one of the regular starters is now replaced by a more defensively minded player (whether its Hendo, Gini, or by default that the front three is now fixed rather than 3 from 4.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: October 16, 2019, 12:12:09 PM »
Big difference under Klopp is teh quality of the signing. He was backed at the higher end of the spectrum. You get the feeling Brodge went for quantity rather than quality.

Summer 13 makes grim reading....and then look what happened!

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General discussion / Re: Irelandís drugs epidemic
« on: October 09, 2019, 10:28:09 AM »
Reality is individual clubs can take a stand against this by removing those who they know are involved in drug use from their teams and strip them of club membership. It has absolutely zero place in our communities or our association.
To be honest thats an absolute non runner. Impossible to police and unfair to expect club members to police it. Its not like fellas be landing down to the club off their nut. How would you go about it? "Johnny I hear you were doing a few lines at a party at the weekend, dont come back through those gates". Hes likely to tell you to go fcuk yourself.

And rightly so. There is a major issue with this but as you say its unfair to ask clubmen to police it. Where does it stop? Do you strip membership off the player who gets in a car after 3 pints? If it was down to me I would have much less issue with a lad who takes a line of coke every now and again and doesnt really harm anyone else than the drink driver who puts other people at risk.


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