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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: January 26, 2020, 10:31:17 AM »
Good win for Armagh last night but Cavan were extremely poor. Tougher challenges lie ahead. Must say in matches to date i would not be a great fan of offensive mark. Teams have been setting up even more defensively . In saying that when Armagh played with the wind they were able to score from distance as Cavan were too deep. Be interesting to see will the same happen in other matches.

General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: January 23, 2020, 12:14:16 AM »
No point in getting rid of OGS.  He hasn't got the players. Van Gaal and Jose were considered world class managers and couldn't do anything much at United. Problems run deeper than the manager. Burnley are a desperate team who play desperate football and I wouldn't have their manager near any half decent club.

On a side note I love how commentators state that De Gea wasnt fouled against Liverpool while saying definitely a foul when players go down when someone sneezes beside them. I thought Hendrick had been shot he fell to the ground that easily from a nudge from Shaw.

GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2020
« on: January 16, 2020, 05:27:18 PM »
I like the McKenna Cup as it let's young fellas get a run out - Turbitt for Armagh had a great couple of matches. I am disappointed Donegal didn't field. I seem to remember Armagh playing a McKenna Cup final a week before a national league final or semi final. They gave a few club players a run out and they acquitted themselves well. Think it was the time beefer and McCorry were managers.
On saying that the recent Armagh v Tyrone game - although described as a thriller in reports - wasnt played with much intensity.  As usual Tyrone were fit, sharp and focussed.  Armagh  seemed to start as if it was a challenge match and only started competing when it looked as if Tyrone would run away with it.

GAA Discussion / Re: TG4 - Club Championships Coverage
« on: January 04, 2020, 04:29:49 PM »
Kilcoo very defensive despite playing with a strong wind behind them. 

The last free was either for touching the ball on the ground and/or lying on the ball. Thought it was an easy decision for the ref.

Check replay. He let go of ball. Was then pushed in back and fell again. Got up and lifted ball with foot. Ref gave free. Easy decision was free out. And I wouldn't be very fond of Kilcoo.

GAA Discussion / Re: McKenna Cup 2020
« on: December 06, 2019, 06:33:19 PM »
It's Tyrone and Armagh that really care about the competition. Tyrone in particular.

Without checking I think it is over 25 years since Armagh won the McKenna Cup. Don't think they take it too serious at all. Now playing Tyrone in anything is a different matter.

GAA Discussion / Re: New Jerseys?
« on: November 23, 2019, 01:46:21 PM »
defo soon as current one is available for £17 in Oneills

Still too dear  ;D

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« on: November 17, 2019, 04:27:23 PM »
Derrygonnelly will be kicking themselves. They kicked some wides.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« on: November 17, 2019, 03:38:39 PM »
Dungannon lost to St Enda’s on penalties. Feckin’ penalties In an Ulster final. Disgraceful.

Doesn't feel right I agree

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« on: November 17, 2019, 03:37:42 PM »
Glenties are a horrible team to play against very well organised and will be very hard to beat. If its them and Kilcoo in the final it will be an absolute slugfest.

Looking a fair possibility with Kilcoo playing into the 'scoring end' in the second. Watching last night and now if Kilcoo win can they ban cameras from the final and just post the result.

GAA Discussion / Re: Underage Grades
« on: November 17, 2019, 01:00:25 AM »
Dinny you’ve replied to my comments on why 17 year olds drop out of sport, by citing an article about an under-14 policy in a club falling down with players.

This is not the same thing.

There may be come correlation here, but unless Nemo are also keeping their stronger juvenile players on board as well, and playing junior football while their old teammates  “jump ahead” of them, then it’s the same situation anyhow.

You were talking about teenagers when I quoted you not specifically 17 years old. I think your attitude is wrong and symptomatic of why clubs are struggling with numbers. Unless a kid is competitive at x, y, z age he won't play adult sport to me is simply mind boggling. Since when did playing sport solely become about winning? No wonder clubs are dying on their feet.
Very hard to keep 16/17 year olds involved if there isn't some sort of ambition of winning games and competitions
Might as well be at home on the couch otherwise

Theres a difference between being competitive and winning. If skills have been developed properly from an early age then lads should be equipped to compete at u13/15/17/19. Doesnt mean they need to be winning everything but winning has to be possible. If they dont develop these skills they will take hammerings in these grades and soon fade away. We need to equip these lads to be able to compete.

Sorry Dinny your Non compete methods aren't getting much support on here. The whole grading ethos is there to ensure teams can be competitive at their level. The Gaa is built on competition and winning. When you remove the possibility of winning lads lose interest.

I may be wrong here but I think you are misinterpreting the whole thing here. All matches are competitive. People want to win but research shows that over competitive win at all costs coaching discourages kids from participating. The GAA is in a position where they need to keep people involved to help clubs survive. The best way to achieve this the evidence suggests is to ensure participating is more important than winning up to a certain age. Kids and adults play sport for the fun. Only a few can win trophies.  If winning at all costs was the most important thing then why do people bother about 5 a side , playing snooker, pool or darts. Heading out for a round of golf etc. Why do people bother playing for the club that never wins anything? Sport is about participation, friendship and recreation. At its core the GAA epitomises this.

GAA Discussion / Re: Underage Grades
« on: November 13, 2019, 08:37:33 PM »
If clubs focused more on participation than winning numbers falling away would decrease.

1. County boards should run u13, 14, u15, u16 and 17 leagues championships at the same time. Stop sending kids up age grades. I know talented kids that were playing u15 in Spring, u16 and minor in the summer and then u17 in Autumn/Winter. Madness.
2. For clubs that can't play at each age grade focus on the grades where you have numbers but alway make u17 your priority, for e.g if you have 18 u16s but only 7 u17s, you still play u17s only even though your u16 team are all of age.
3. If you don't have an age grade for a kid, let him transfer one year out, e.g. you have a 13 year old but no u13 or u14 team then let him transfer out for one year to another clubs or u13 or u14 team only
4. Look at introducing u18.5 and u20.5 age grades, this helps capture the kids who were July to December and missed out because of relative age affect.
5. If your club doesn't have a an u20.5 team they can play dual status with another club i.e. play adult with your club and u20.5 only with another club.
6. Finally remove all coaches egos, it's ok to lose, stop prioritising winning over loosing. If you have a panel of 25, all 25 get a least half a game.

We as adults are too quick to impose our values on young players, majority of kids play sport to have fun, to be with friends, to belong.....winning is way down the list. When kids lose games they might show disappointment, but that disappointment is not in the losing but the in the belief that they have let down their coaches and parents.

Finally abandon all development squads from u13 to u15. Very few of these kids go on to make it and a lot just give up when cut.

Well said. In the 6 counties I feel half year makes sense so i would go 13.5, 14.5 etc. to let fellas play with their pals. Not sure what way school works in 26.

GAA Discussion / Re: Underage Grades
« on: November 11, 2019, 01:43:57 PM »
Think for Northern teams, the half years work well as it leaves lads playing with their own school year the whole way up.

100%. Young fellas will stay longer if their school friends are there too.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« on: November 03, 2019, 05:11:01 PM »
Between 2006 and 2012 Cross won 6 out of 7 Ulster titles. In the year they didn't win Pearse Ogs lost narrowly to St Galls who went on to win All Ireland. Does that mean Ulster Championship was uncompetitive. Just trying to work out how having so many different clubs winning makes a championship the best.

GAA Discussion / Re: 2019 Season Ticket
« on: November 03, 2019, 12:13:08 PM »
Are the Renewal Notices for 2020 late this year ?
I think they were usually out mid October before?

I read on Armagh forum that they are due out this week. A poster had emailed them.

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Club SFC 2019
« on: November 03, 2019, 12:28:52 AM »
I think Armagh’s odds of winning promotion will have shortened after tonight. I’d imagine Armagh management will be delighted to have a full hand to chose from for the first league match. Cross nr 6 showed up well I thought.

Take out the O’Neill’s and cross are very very ordinary. Although ulster is wide open I can’t see clontibret winning it tbh.

Perhaps John mcentee could be enticed into the Armagh management for 2019?

Maybe for 2020 would be better !! ;)

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