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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: November 13, 2014, 09:41:28 AM »
Derrysfinest, et al, could you do a better job than the 'man in charge fixtures'?  You do know that a committee is responsible for fixtures - they are called the CCC - they, as in plural not singular?  It is no easy feat organising fixtures for an entire county, regardless of whether he is paid or not for his role in the committee.  Are you saying that  if an architect's or quantity surveyor's project ran over the allocated time that he should be sacked?  That they can't do their job?  Wise up.  Fixtures get changed all the time by clubs, matches end in draws, are postponed and have to be re-fixed.  They can't magic extra hours / days into the summer months so of course some of these competitions are going to run on longer or have to start later.  Should the CCC in Donegal be sacked as Cloghaneely played their county final last Saturday and only a day later had to play Castledawson?  Was that the CCC's fault or Jim McGuinness' for making it impossible for clubs to play with county players therefore resulting in postponement of the club championship?  Why don't all you keyboard warriors criticising county board members for their supposed ineptitudes put your name forward for positions and see how you get on and stop with the personal tirades?

As far as I'm aware you can't put your name forward for the 'man in charge of fixtures' role, its a paid position and is not elected at the county convention like other roles.  So basically clubs have no say in who gets it.

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 12, 2014, 02:24:45 PM »
Tuesday night is Under 14 night every week and this fixture date has been in place from start of year for 4 teams who reach semi final

U14A Semi Finals were in place from the start of the year for this week, the B semi finals were due to be played next week.  Not sure why the CCC decided to bring them forward, u14 fixtures only appeared on Derry website yesterday!

No matter what the thinking behind it, it is poor scheduling to say the least

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 12, 2014, 11:43:15 AM »
I am led to believe that our minors requested Tuesday night and Newbridge agreed  :)

Surely then after this the CCC shouldn't have fixed u14 championship games for both clubs on the same night?

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 04, 2014, 12:41:07 PM »
What is the format of the intermediate championship this year?

Seems strange that qualifiers are being played mid week so soon after the 1st round.  Also Craigbane didn't have a 1st round game but they are in the qualifiers??

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: June 27, 2014, 01:22:43 PM »
Derry lost last Saturday's game against Longford primarily because they were missing seven starting players and at least four substitutes from their best starting fifteen. Most of these had been injured in club games which they had participated in during the previous four weeks. Longford County players, on the other hand, I am reliably informed, did not play any club football for the previous three weeks. Because of this injury crisis the Midlanders dominated the middle third, where all games are won or lost, and were able to supply their forward line with good quality ball which their five scoring forwards were able to put over the bar, off either foot, from distance or from the full forward line.
Another definite factor in Derry's very inept performance was the fact that defensively Derry's backs allowed their opponents too much space and our forwards could not/would not break the tackle, gave away too much possession too easily and were very poor in their decision making.
As a consequence of all of the above the County Board should meet the team Management to ensure a proper scheduling of club fixtures next year so that they can prepare properly and competitively for 2015. Similarly team management will have to analyse the mistakes of this year as well as the positive strides that were made.
However, if all these issues could be successfully addressed, there remains the salient fact that Derry are missing quality players in key areas. Brian McIver has done tremendous work in developing the current Derry team but I am sure that he knows that we require another good tight marking corner back, a commanding centre half back and two pacy, tricky corner forwards who can score goals and points off  either foot.(We appear to have too many forwards who are only left- footed.This makes it much easier for defenders to counteract.) Most of all we need two outstanding, fast, footballing and athletic midfielders who can dictate the course of a game.This is Brian McIver's greatest challenge. Unfortunately the inspirational Fergal Doherty is 32 and Patsy and P J are unlucky with injuries and they too are pushing on age wise. I feel players like Terence O'Brien, Danny Tallon, Chris McKaigue, Dermot McBride, Emmett McGuckin, Gareth McKinless, Ciaran McFaul (whom I would eventually see as a possible half back), backed up by the magnificent Sean Leo McGoldrick and our great leader Mark Lynch are the future of Derry football.(Hopefully Aaron Devlin, Ryan Bell, Peter Cassidy, James Kearney and others will recapture their previous promising potential). Any posters out there who can name players whom they think could step up to the mark in the key positions I have mentioned above?

Derry could and should have won the game against Longford with the team they had out last Saturday.  Longford came with a gameplan and executed it well but I would say they can't believe just how well it worked, due to Derry failing to counter the plan what so ever and for me that is the fault of the Derry sideline (seemed to be Paddy Tally giving most of the instructions to the players)  Longford left 2 or 3 quality forwards up the pitch and dropped everybody else back reducing any space in the Derry forward line.  Instead of Derry playing a sweeper or 2 and overlapping when we had the ball, they pushed the 2 spare men up into midfield and foward areas reducing the space even more and hanging our 2 or 3 defenders out to dry by having to man mark quality forwards in 50m of space.  I don't care how good a man marker you are, you haven't a hope in hell of winning your battle with a forward in them conditions.
Longford keepers kickouts were often landing on the far 45 with one of their half forwards winning it behind his marker, all they had to do then was pop the ball into space for one of their inside men to run on to and knock it over the bar, which they did very well I might add, don't think they hit a wide in the 2nd half?
Derry Did drop G O'Kane back for a while to sweep but he looked lost and even confused by what he was being asked to do. Apart from that the Sidelines only tactic to shore it up at the back was to continually swap the players who were marking their inside forwards and tell them to 'mark tighter'  :o

Despite all this we dragged ourselves back into the game and Mark Lynchs screamer leveled it up.  Surely now we would drop the spare men back to fill the space that the Longford forwards were lording it in?  Nope, long kickout over the top again, ball popped into the forward in an acre of space who found his team mate standing free inside the box, Good Night Irene!

I am happy enough for McIvor to stay on as well, just hope he has learnt something from this game and the season as a whole.  And as Lynchboy says he should be making more of the calls himself, Paddy Tally seems to have a lot of influence and I'm not sure that is a good thing!


General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 15, 2014, 08:15:33 AM »
Good to see the united fans not letting a shambles of a season get in the way of their main focus  ;D

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: April 11, 2014, 09:42:32 AM »
Here we go again with the grading anomalies in the youth leagues. Can a club opt for grade B or C by producing Tesco vouchers? Whatever way you look at it, there are at least 3 clubs playing at Grade B in the U16 league that could more than hold their own in Grade A. Newbridge, Claudy and Loup teams are full of talent. If you know how it works, please explain.

As these are two of the feeder teams for St Pius X does that mean if they move to Grade A that the Pius will suddenly become good again?  ;D

the Loup only won by a point last night so hard to say they should be in a higher grade after that result, although future results may prove you to be right.

I do agree with the point you are trying to make, if teams are good enough to compete in the A grade then that's where they should be.  They may have a successful season in the B grade Trophy wise but in the long run the players and the club are the ones losing out as they wont develop as much as they could because they are not playing competitive matches where they are challenged     

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: April 09, 2014, 02:30:07 PM »
I don't think burnout is the issue regarding minors playing on a Monday, its the fact they will be tired, sore and have an increased risk of injury because they played in a senior game the previous day.

Its all well and good saying young boys should be able to play every night of the week, but they need proper rest and recovery.

Anyway you can argue over the science of it all you want, the simple fact is there is no need for them to be playing a match on 2 consecutive days when a change to fixtures could be made to resolve it

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: April 09, 2014, 09:39:25 AM »
Can anyone explain the logic of fixing the u14 feile games between swatragh, magherafelt and ballinascreen on Friday night, only 24 hours after some these players are needed to make up u16 teams in the first round of the league?
Mrs M, it's probably the same logic that has minor games played on a Monday - 24 hours after a senior or reserve game on a Sunday.
I believe these matches were to be played on Sunday but changed due to Derry's game.

I have mentioned this before and really don't understand it, we have loads of coaches and officials involved at county and provincial level lecturing us about burn out of young players then our CCC schedule minor games the day after a lot of them will be involved in physically demanding senior/reserve games.

I'm pretty sure there was a proposal at the county AGM in December to change minor fixtures from a Monday night, whatever happened to that?

Surely they could play u14 on Monday, Minor Tuesday and U16 Thursday

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: March 25, 2014, 09:55:16 AM »
So, if you had a choice, who would be your ideal candidates for the minor and under 21 jobs?

In light of the restrictions Minor management face i'm not sure its fair to criticise any man in the position but if i was JK i would be doing all in my power to install Adrian McGuckin.

What are these restrictions?

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: March 24, 2014, 10:55:06 AM »
Thoughts on this.

There is definitely an issue with too many demands being placed on our young players which I believe begins when they leave u-16 football.  It is at this stage they are involved with the club minors, and likely senior/reserves, possibly county minors and other sports, Worse again for dual players. 

Our own County doesn't help matters by scheduling the minor games on a Monday night when a lot of the boys will have been involved with their senior/reserve team the previous day and probably expected to train with the senior panel again  on a Tuesday night

Typical week for a standard 17/18 yr old could well be

Sun - Senior/reserve game. Mon - minor game. Tue - Senior Training - Wed - Free. Thurs - Free. Fri - Minor Training Sat Free.

4 times a week might not seem too bad but they way the sessions often run into consecutive days is an issue

That doesn't take into account somebody who is playing school/county football or other sports which will usually be at least one more training session and another game a week.

Nor does it take into account coaches who don't have a clue what they are doing 

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: December 13, 2013, 10:10:37 AM »
I agree with all of that Dennis....... but only if we win.

If you don't win I will be demanding my donation back  ;D

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: October 22, 2013, 09:56:22 AM »
Completely off topic I know, but in their first year back, our Ladies (Claudy) have won the League and Championship. U14s and u16s have followed suit the with Minors also winning Championship. Not a bad season for The Mitchells with the Dr Kerlin Cup added to this. (It may not seem a big trophy but it means a lot to the club.)

The seniors may have even added promotion to this if the Board had been consistent with their application of the rules as well. With our end of season form, promotion was fairly unlikely though we still would have loved the chance.

*Waits for usual smart-asses making fun of any one of my above comments".

Allez les bleus!

Your minors won the league not the championship  :)  Claudy seem to have a good crop of underage players coming through.  Senior team would be fairly young as well wouldn't it?  Faughanvale underage teams doing well also, especially at u16 and minor level

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: October 21, 2013, 06:56:39 PM »
Was at the game yesterday, Ballinderry are an unbelievably talented squad of players, I can see them giving Ulster a real go. But why do their supporters behave the way they do?? Never seen or heard anything like it!

I put in down to the lough shore flies!!!

Seriously though football is a religion down there, that is why they are at the top of the tree in Derry.  Consider their catchment, they shouldn't be playing senior football, never mind setting the standard for the past 15 years.

In saying that there is no excuse for inappropriate language or behaviour, but I don't think they hold a monopoly on that one!! ;D

Bit of an exaggeration there... I've never understood all the talk about Ballinderry being a small club, they have always had big pick of players from what I can remember.  You just have to look at all the great underage players they have had over the years that never went on to play senior for them because they couldn't get a game.  Not taking away from their achievements by the way, there are many a club with a far bigger pick than the Shamrocks and haven't had even a tenth of their success, just never understood the 'small club' tag   

Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: September 26, 2013, 11:35:12 AM »
This is a very simplistic view of gaelic football.  Was it all dealt with to your satisfaction in the all Ireland final - where you had the best officials in Ireland?

I thought most people want officials to let the game flow

You can let the game flow, (if there is an advantage) and then take action against the offending players the next time play stops, but referees rarely do this.

This is also one of the worries I have over the Black card coming in.  Referee's see the majority of these cynical fouls already  but take no action.  Although next year just because they have a fancy new card they are going to do something about it??

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