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General discussion / Re: Cardinal Sean Brady
« on: August 20, 2014, 05:56:48 PM »
This makes it particularly clear that young Fr Brady reported accurately to the Bishop, in effect his line manager, who should have acted accord ingly.

Also the victim says to the best of his knowledge his parents were never made aware?  Incredible statement.With or without any oath did he not think of telling his parents?

Rest of interview is simply two journalists speculating and doing what journalists do best, inventing sensationalist stories

But what if you were one of the boys getting raped while Sean Brady knew your name, knew Smith was a rapist, and did nothing to warn you our your parents?

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General discussion / Re: Cardinal Sean Brady
« on: August 20, 2014, 05:18:42 PM »
Yawn.Sean Brady (the only person in the whole wide world) was the only earthly human that could have stopped Brendan Smyth blah blah (during the same period when Irish police moved suspected clerical bombers to other parishes) blah blah, no one else raised concerns or complaints about Smyth in the 20 year period since 1975 (bullshit).

If God is reading this thread he is surely saying "In the name of me, Give it a rest!"

Tony, you can do whataboutry all day long. The fact remains that Sean Brady covered up child abuse. Here is an interview with
Darragh MacIntyre following the documentary. I will copy and paste it. Read it, and then ask yourself, "what if I was one of those victims and Sean Brady knew all along my name and that Brendan Smith was a child rapist, yet he did nothing. Didn't tell my parents or anything. If you were that child, would be you posting in support of Sean Brady today?"


Michael Clifford: “First of all, Sean Brady’s role in the investigation into Brendan Smyth. We knew already he was part of this commission that was set up to look into the initial allegations that were made that Brendan Smyth was abusing children. He has always claimed that his role in that inquiry was merely that of a note-taker. Your documentary last night seems to dispute that in the first instance.”

MacIntyre: “Well yes. When limited details of the secret inquiry came out first, Cardinal Brady and his spokesman said that he had a minor role, that of a notary or indeed a note-taker. In fact  Cardinal Brady I think said he was a notary without powers. And he believes, plainly, that he simply did his job. But during the investigation, we came across a hand-written document suggesting that his role was more significant. He wrote, and I quote “I was dispatched to investigate the complaint”. Now we have asked him, we did ask for an interview but he turned down the request. And just to take you back to the top of this, the new evidence here Michael, and this is a significant element. The new evidence that we revealed is that the Cardinal was given names, and other priests – the other two priests involved in the investigation. But the Cardinal was essentially drawing all the information together and it was he, it was the Cardinal who compiled the report and who eventually gave it to his bishop. But the new evidence reveals that the Cardinal was given names and addresses of children who were being abused or who were at risk of being abused by the man you’d described as Ireland’s most, well I’d describe him anyway, as Ireland’s most notorious paedophile Brendan Smyth. But he failed to ensure they were protected. That’s the point. Brendan Boland is the boy we spoke to in last night’s programme. Brendan was 14 years of age when he disclosed that he was being abused by Fr Brendan Smyth and he disclosed this to a priest, a young priest in Dundalk, who took him immediately home, straight home to his parents. And then subsequently this particular young priest reported it to the Church. Then the Church, pretty soon afterwards, set up a secret canon law inquiry. Now three priests took part in this process. Among them Cardinal Brady, then of course Fr John Brady at that stage, a canon lawyer, a bishop’s secretary, that’s key, and a school teacher. Cardinal Brady took down the answers, another priest asked the questions. Another key point here, 14-year-old Brendan was interviewed alone, without his parents. He was asked a variety of questions. Some of them focused on what Smyth did, others focused on his own behaviour. And we have the documentation from the Church, the Church’s own documentation to verify Brendan’s account. And this is the most significant thing of all. He spoke of five children who were on trips with him that Brendan Smyth took them on, across Ireland, marathon excursions up and down the island. And Brendan recalled, to that meeting, he recalled the names of five children, their names and addresses. We then tracked down, I tracked down those five children. And all say, that to the best of their knowledge, their parents, their families were not warned in any way at all about paedophile Brendan Smyth. So the consequences of this, sorry to go on a bit, Michael…”

Clifford: “No…”

MacIntyre: “The consequences of this are the issue because the consequences meant that for two of the children, the abuse continued with them. But in one boy’s case the abuse not only continued with him, it crossed to his sister – she was abused for another seven years – and then to four first cousins in the extended family abused right up until 1988.”

Clifford: “Now is it correct that one of those boys that Brendan named in that inquiry, a boy from Cavan, that Sean Brady himself interviewed that boy some days later.”

MacIntyre: “That’s correct.”

Clifford: “And he had not informed the boy’s parents about?”

MacIntyre: “I spoke to that boy. That boy told me, who’s now a middle-aged man, he told me, on his doorstep, he told me he had never spoken to anyone about this before, let alone his parents. He was asked to attend a meeting in a parochial house, he went to the parochial house. He was interviewed by Cardinal Brady, there was another priest present. His parents were never notified. He was 15 years of age, he was..And he was in the middle of a secret canon law inquiry and his parents were never told.”

Clifford: “Did he attend on his own, Darragh? Did his parents have no knowledge?”

MacIntyre: “His parents had no notion that he was being interviewed. No notion that he was being part of this secret process. More than that Michael, they had no notion that he was abused. And he never told them cause he was then sworn to secrecy about the process he was involved in.”

Clifford: “In a similar way that Brendan had been sworn to secrecy earlier.”

MacIntyre: “Exactly the same way. Now remember the Church will point this out and it’s fair to point out that the children were not sworn to secrecy about the abuse. They were sworn to secrecy about the process they were involved in. They were only allowed to speak to authorised priests about it. But I’d suggest the effect of that on a 14 or 15-year-old boy was pretty much the same.”

Clifford: “And, one other thing strikes me, we’re often told different rules and different morales applied at that time. Yet it also emerged in your programme last night that initially Brendan Boland, when he was a boy, he initially went to a priest. And that priest did go to Brendan’s parents.”

MacIntyre: “The point we make in the programme, that’s absolutely the case. What the priest did in the very first instance, a young priest in Dundalk, he went straight to the boy’s parents. No dilly-dally. Now we don’t make a big deal about going to the police in the programme, about going to the guards. We don’t say ‘you should have gone to the guards’. We point out plainly that the guards were not notified. We know that. That has been known for, almost forever now it seems.  But the big point is this – What would a parent do? What would somebody do if you knew that so-and-so up the road was being abused? What would you do? Would you let the situation..Would you take any risks in that situation? Would you intervene, that’s the point.”

Clifford: “Yes. And you put these, a lot of these details to Cardinal Brady’s office and did you get any response?”

MacIntyre:  “We got, we certainly have been in correspondence with him and we have got, we have…I suppose the best way to put it is we reflected their response in the programme last night. I mean one of the things they would say is, they would say, for example, that there is no State or Church guidelines responding to allegations of child abuse in Ireland at the time. And they do point out that the oath wasn’t simply about swearing the child to secrecy about the abuse it was about, they would argue that it was about in fact giving greater force and integrity to the evidence given by Mr Boland.”

Clifford: “OK. Now just to touch on this last element Darragh, because I think this is quite important. The second boy you referred to, the boy from Cavan. He was interviewed, without his parents’ knowledge and what he revealed in that inquiry to Sean Brady was never told to his parents to the best of that boy’s knowledge.

MacIntyre: “That’s exactly the situation.”


http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/05/02/cardinal-brady-more-than-just-a-note-taker/

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General discussion / Re: Cardinal Sean Brady
« on: August 20, 2014, 04:40:09 PM »
Every time I see Sean Brady I think of the young boys that were raped, and their wider family circle, by Brendan Smith
after Brady was given their names. He could have stopped it. He didn't. I don't care if it was 10 or 100 years ago.
He let those boys and girls down, and he rose to the top in Ireland. The man shows no remorse and he should
have resigned years ago if he did. He played a major role in child abuse cover up, and for that, I will never forgive him

God will though

He'll be the only one......

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General discussion / Re: Cardinal Sean Brady
« on: August 20, 2014, 04:33:58 PM »
Every time I see Sean Brady I think of the young boys that were raped, and their wider family circle, by Brendan Smith
after Brady was given their names. He could have stopped it. He didn't. I don't care if it was 10 or 100 years ago.
He let those boys and girls down, and he rose to the top in Ireland. The man shows no remorse and he should
have resigned years ago if he did. He played a major role in child abuse cover up, and for that, I will never forgive him

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Silly mistake by Tommy, and no doubt it was posted after a few drinks. A few of us guilty of that now and again !!

However, we live in a world where news about sports stars and media celebs is deemed more news worthy than real news.

I opened the Irish News yesterday and there was a photo of Tommy and an article on what his tweet said. I was furious
because for nearly 2 years I have been trying to get a story on West Belfast based Caterpillar, their profitting from the illegal
Occupation, the full support they receive from ALL the main parties at Stormont, and how all UK taxpayes recently subsudized them to the tune of £1.6 million. They continually refuse, yet they feel a story about Tommy McGuigan's tweet is newsworthy?

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 20, 2014, 04:00:09 PM »
So, the Occupier issues a court order on the native Occupied to move to another part of Occupied land.

Only Israel can get away with this sh1t

Israeli forces deliver 'deportation order' to PFLP lawmaker

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=721927

Israeli forces raided the house of a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine lawmaker early Wednesday and delivered an order demanding that she leave Ramallah.

Khalida Jarrar told Ma'an that dozens of soldiers raided her house in Ramallah early Wednesday and delivered a deportation order "by an Israeli court" to Jericho for an unspecified period of time.

Jarrar added that the place of residence in Jericho was specified in the order.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 20, 2014, 03:07:46 PM »
Official: 20 killed by Israeli strikes since truce collapsed

Renewed Israeli attacks on Gaza have killed 20 Palestinians since a temporary ceasefire collapsed on Tuesday, a health ministry spokesman said Wednesday.

Ashraf al-Qidra said that Zaki Suleiman al-Rai, 54, died from wounds sustained early Wednesday.

The bodies of Mustafa Rabah al-Dalou, 14 and Wafaa Hussein al-Dalou were also recovered from the wreckage of the al-Dalou family home in Gaza City.

Earlier, a two-year-old Palestinian girl was killed in Israeli shelling on the al-Zaytoun neighborhood of Gaza City, al-Qidra said.

She was identified as Nour Muhammad Abu Hasirah.

Before that, al-Qidra said an Israeli airstrike killed an unidentified man near the al-Maqusi residential buildings in western Gaza City. The man's body was taken to Shifa hospital.

Al-Qidra added that civil defense rescue teams had recovered the bodies of a woman and a child from the rubble of the al-Dalou family home in Sheikh Radwan, which was hit by five Israeli missiles.

The wife and daughter of al-Qassam Brigades commander Muhammad Deif were killed in the attack, Hamas says, along with four-year-old Ahmad al-Dalou.

A 24-hour truce due to last until midnight collapsed late Tuesday afternoon when Israel said rockets fired from the Strip hit Beersheba. Hamas denied firing the rockets.

An Israeli army statement said that 117 rockets had been fired at Israel from Gaza since the truce collapsed.

One of them hit a home in Ashkelon without causing injuries, it said.

Earlier, the army said it had struck "some 60 terror sites" in Gaza overnight, in addition to targeting "two terrorists ... in the northern Gaza Strip."

Over 2,000 Palestinians -- the vast majority of them civilians -- have been killed throughout Israel's offensive on Gaza.

Sixty-seven people have been killed on the Israeli side, 64 of them soldiers.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=721960

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 10:12:32 PM »
So you think that all that they can or should do is fire rockets? If that is the case, this is already over. The international community has blood on their hands too.

And by they way I did read your posts. I read all your posts except the ones which just are links to articles.

I said previously that they have tried everything. Talks, ceasefires, you name it, they tried it. What did they get in response?

More and more deaths. A brutal siege, and more and more of their land stolen

Well the links provide a lot of evidence of the violations of the ceasefire by Israel.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 10:02:51 PM »
If their only tactic is to keep launching rockets at those psychopaths, then yes. Israel hasn't exactly shown itself to behave rationally.

If you would have read my previous posts, you will see how they have tried all possible avenues. They gave peace talks a chance, and what happened? they got more occupation and oppression. They tried democracy and got a brutal siege. They tried ceasefires, and what did that bring them?

Israel want every square inch of Palestinian soil. They say God gave it to them and they are back to reclaim it. That is what Palestinians have been dealing with for decades.

If all they have left to fight with is rockets, then so be it. To exist in Palestine is to resist. To resist is to exist.


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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 09:52:52 PM »
Then they will be obliterated.

For daring to stand up for what is rightfully theirs?

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 09:46:24 PM »
Do you think this is a meaningful defence? It's like poking a wasps nest with a stick, just to prove that wasps are b**tards that sting you.

What do you expect them to do after nearly 70 years of genocide and ethnic cleansing? Look at what 20 years of a corrupt PA
negotiating with Israel brought them? Look at what the last year of so called peace talks brought them? Over 70 Palestinians
killed in that time without hardly a rocket fired by Hamas? Years and years of a brutal siege, and what did the outside world do for them? Feck all. Right now the Palestinians would rather die standing on their feet in a quick death, than to spend the rest of their lives on their knees.

As the Palestinians say in Gaza, if any of the settlers living on stolen land don't like the rockets, they can go back to wherever they came from.

As I have said before, the Palestinians have every right to defend themselves. After all, it is their land that is been occupied and stolen. It is been done with the full support of the west. They have no other options.


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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 09:36:41 PM »
So, does anyone else think that the Palestinians in Gaza have no right to defend themselves?

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 09:21:56 PM »
So, Israel go back to doing what it does best: Killing children.

In the past 30 minutes they struck the Al Dalou family home, completly destroying it. 2 siblings, one aged 5, the other 1
were killed instantly, and up to 40 more injured. they are still trying to clear the rubble to find more.

In another attack, they hit an ambulance, injuring 2 medics.

Over 250,000 Palestinians are staying in UN shelters and many more displaced and staying with family members.

Gaza has been bombed back to the stone age, and that still isn't enough for the blood thirsty Israelis.

While people will still repeat the Israeli hasbara, "Hamas fired rockets" to justify the Israeli slaughter, they forget that
it is Israel who started all of this, and the Palestinian resistance groups have every right to self defence. Who else is defending them? Is the EU or the USA standing up? No. Not even Ireland could be bothered to vote in favour of
investigating Israeli war crimes in Gaza.

Saying Hamas brought the deaths upon the Palestinians by firing rockets is no different to saying a woman deserved to be raped because she wore a short skirt and a low cut top.

Israel broke the cease fire in 2008 that led to Operation Cast Lead where 1,400 Palestinians were killed in 3 weeks.

They also broke the ceasefire that led to Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012 which led to 182 Palestinians been killed

And following that ceasefire, Israel broke it over 250 times before lauching Operation Protective Edge.

And how can we forget the decades long illegal occupation.

But hey, its all the fault of Hamas because the main steam media repeated the Israel lie that it was they who started it.

PS for anyone thats interested, here are a list of ceasefire violations by Israel during the past ceasefire

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/watchisrael-overview-of-israeli-ceasefire-violations-since-aug-12-2014/


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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 04:22:24 PM »
I thought this was sad http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28812983

An apology for a humanitarian appeal?

They also banned an add that named the dead children in Gaza

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/141278/israel-bans-advert-of-killed-gaza-childrens-names

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: August 19, 2014, 03:58:26 PM »
what happened first? Rocket fire or Israeli shelling?
Probably the rockets. Gaza is not going to go back to the siege. The people are sick of it and they want their rights.
Israel thinks it can terrorise them into going back to the status quo. 

Looks like Norway is going to pony up for the reconstruction whenever Israel comes to its senses.

Not being smart, but WHY do they do that? They have a ceasefire, their people can catch their breath. They know that Israel will react like a crazed lunatic, so why do they do it? It's madness.

They are throwing their own people to the lions in the hope that the world will see how bad the lions are.

What a stupid statement.

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