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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 01:25:05 PM »

Paul Gillespie

The UK exchequer provides a £10.8 billion (€12.1 billion) annual subsidy to Northern Ireland and pays £8.6 billion net each year to the European Union.

The two figures show a striking disproportion between the UK’s internal and external obligations just as the Irish backstop becomes the defining issue in its future relations with the EU. The disproportion is mostly unknown to the British public who voted 52/48 per cent in 2016 for Brexit based in good part on the belief that the cost of EU membership is far higher than it actually is and that its intrusion on UK policymaking is similarly large.

Given the immense strain Brexit is putting on the UK’s internal unity, this disproportionate funding is a really serious matter. The latest Future of England Survey organised by researchers in Edinburgh and Cardiff universities asked voters in each of the UK’s nations whether they prioritise a hard Brexit over a hard border in Ireland. Richard Wyn Jones, one of its authors, summarised the findings:

“An overwhelming majority of Conservative voters in England would prefer to see Scotland become independent and a breakdown of the peace process in Northern Ireland rather than compromise on their support for Brexit. But it’s not just Brexit. Half of English Conservative supporters want to stop Scottish MPs from sitting in the British cabinet altogether.”

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In other notable findings, voters typically expect higher levels of policy alignment with Europe post-Brexit on issues such as roaming charges and food hygiene standards than within the UK. English voters say by 62/38 per cent they want money raised in England to be spent there and not in Northern Ireland. That view is held by 73/28 per cent among Conservative voters whereas among those voting Labour it is 22/78 per cent.

‘Union’s demise’

Wyn Jones concludes: “Strident protestations of faith in the future of the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from Theresa May and her leading ministers cannot hide the fact that the union is under huge stress as result of Brexit. Ironically, that threat is posed at least as much by those who would regard themselves as unionists as it is by those in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland who actively wish the union’s demise.”

Leave supporters in Northern Ireland value a hard Brexit over the peace process and a soft border by 87 per cent

The surveys reveal what Wyn Jones calls a “devo-anxiety” among English voters. It reflects in part an English nationalism both resenting and seeking greater voice in the devolving UK. That nationalism can be overstated as an independent force but it undoubtedly drives much of this disenchantment.

Leave supporters in Northern Ireland value a hard Brexit over the peace process and a soft border by 87 per cent, illustrating their DUP base. But for the DUP to put such store on avoiding a border down the Irish Sea, given the fraying of popular unionism at the base of Conservatives in England, risks bringing these diminishing solidarities and radically disproportionate UK transfers toNorthern Ireland out into the open in future UK-level bargaining.

Intra-UK solidarity is much stronger among ordinary Labour voters in England than among Conservatives. What that would mean for a possible Labour government arising from Brexit remains to be seen: could it outweigh or counter-balance the Labour leadership’s sympathy for Irish nationalism? Overall non-Conservative voters in England support the UK’s union much more than Tory-Brexit ones.

Economic price

That union would probably have more chance of survival, renewal or civilised voluntary disintegration if Brexit is softer or reversed in a second referendum. This survey bears out the view of commentators who say the end of the UK is more likely to come from the secession of an England no longer prepared to pay the political or economic price of union than from Scottish (or Northern Irish) voters who still have other options.

The Brexit convulsion brings the Irish Question right back into mainstream British politics more intrusively even than during the Northern Ireland Troubles culminating in the 1998 Belfast Agreement. One has to go back 100 years to the December 14th, 1918, general election after the first World War won by unionists and Sinn Féin in Ireland to find it so prominent – and resented.

Lloyd George is widely respected in the UK for having eliminated Ireland from internal British politics by the 1920 partition and the 1921 Irish Treaty. Now that it is back, can one imagine future red buses going around England after the economic shock of a hard Brexit with the slogan: “We send NI £204 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave”?

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 01:22:25 PM »
Sterling is in the gutter.


I'm still not convinced there is any sort of Brexit, hard or soft.

Second referendum or GE. If it's a GE there will be mayhem in the North.

Sterling is trading like an emerging market currency according to the FT

GAA Discussion / Re: Club Championships Jan-Mar 2019
« on: December 10, 2018, 12:59:22 PM »
We are up against v Oramor - Marree they’d be the best Galway intermediate team for a while.

Two starters on the senior team in Nial Burke and McInerney

In Galway the pronunciation is inthirmejit

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 12:38:31 PM »
I actually thinks that splits the Brexit vote - no deal or May's deal are both brexits as such - the Remain vote will be the same (or even larger than the original ballot)
Remain might be 55% now
Still not big enough to be decisive
The country is polarised. It's like northern Ireland !

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 12:16:06 PM »
Nobody knows. Tories won’t want a GE.
Whatever way you look at it it is a total mess.

Very poor stick work by the Tories Marty and the first touch is desperate.

looking at the video, you realise the non impact of north Connacht, North Leinster and Ulster in the Hurling Championship. Hurling is a foreign to these parts of the country, they are just spectators.

Would you shtop

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 07:38:58 AM »
MP's salaries have gone up from 65,000(2010) to 77,000(2018)...... how's that for austerity?
It never ceases to amaze me that the general public in the UK roll over and take it.....same in Ireland.....whereas in France there are multiple demonstrations. The sooner people realise that the French way is the only way we are going to see change the better.

That’s not a very high salary. Most 23 year olds on their first job in top cities in US would make that. But they work hard unlike the French who like their short working weeks. The French way will never work - just results in a stagnant economy based on protectionism. They have been rioting for decades and things just getting worse.

The point I was making is that whilst the general public have had to accept pay cuts, cut backs in services etc......those that make these decisions carry on feeding from the trough. In salary terms....a nurse earns from 25,000 up after training.....the lifeblood of the who is more valuable to society?
americans don't get payrises./ nobody does

The idea that americans benefit more from work is deluded
They have fewer holidays and healthcare costs an arm and aleg

Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: December 10, 2018, 07:12:01 AM »
Kilmacud croaked

And Mullinalaghta will be remembered by their people. Legends

Irish Times
A Christmas fairytale as Mullinalaghta win first Leinster club title

Longford underdogs see off Kilmacud Crokes with late, late penalty from Gary Rogers

Seán Moran

Choirs of angels will need to turn the volume up in the skies around north-east Longford in a fortnight’s time if they are to be heard, as chances are that the new AIB Leinster club football champions will still be making plenty of noise in Mullinalaghta.

The statistics of the coup are already well aired. The half-parish on the border of Cavan with its population of 447 was facing up to the might of twice All-Ireland champions Kilmacud Crokes and their membership, conservatively pitched at 10 times their opponents’ population.

For further context, when the counties met in the summer’s Leinster championship, Dublin had 19 points to spare. The Spartans were better odds at Thermopylae.

There was also a mild sending-off controversy when referee David Gough showed Mullinalaghta’s James McGivney a second yellow card in the 64th minute but didn’t follow up with a red. McGivney did leave the pitch shortly afterwards, as did Kilmacud’s Cian O’Sullivan, also for a second yellow.


It was Gary Rogers, whose extraordinarily calm penalty in the last minute of normal time effectively won the match, who gave a matter-of-fact insight into his team’s eve-of-battle epiphany.

“Last night we looked at a few videos of Kilmacud. It was only last night we kind of realised, we might actually give them a go. Man on man, when we went 15 on 15 it just worked for us. In fairness they missed a bit. We missed a bit in the first half but we got the rub of the green then and got the penalty and look, I put it away.”

Kilmacud goalkeeper David Nestor had saved a penalty in injury time in the semi-final and Rogers hit his kick in the same direction.

“Yeah, that side, but I always pick a different side anyway so it didn’t really matter. I just said I’ll hit it as hard as I can and if he saves it, fair play to him. I hit it as hard as possibly could. I seen the lad for Portlaoise; in fairness, it was a great save. Just delighted that it went in.”

So it was that on the 50th anniversary of Longford’s only senior provincial title, the county has added the club equivalent. Just as in 1968, they will face Kerry opponents in the All-Ireland semi-final, in this case the other Crokes – of Killarney.

Busy spring

For manager Mickey Graham it guarantees a busy spring. Recently appointed manager of his own county, Cavan – who face a daunting return to Division 1 of the AFL – he will have the added responsibility of preparing the club for a tilt with the 2017 All-Ireland winners.

“Yeah, the show goes on, but I’m not going to worry about that now at this moment in time. I just have to sit down and gather all my thoughts and let this settle in, because this is going to be one hell of a party over in Mullinalaghta for the next week and up to Christmas because of this. For this club to do it is a fairytale.”

He singled out his full back Paddy Fox for praise after an afternoon keeping Dublin’s All Star forward Paul Mannion scoreless from play.

“People were talking about the marquee forwards they’d have, but I’ve seen Paddy Fox the last three years and he is one of the top full backs you’ll see in the country, and he showed that today against one of the most marquee forwards in the country.”

Kilmacud manager Robbie Brennan was realistic after what was a gravely disappointing defeat for the favourites.

“To be fair, I think Mullinalaghta probably deserved it. We didn’t play well so I don’t think we can have too many complaints really after it.”



Mon, Dec 10, 2018

Mullinalaghta stun Kilmacud Crokes to take Leinster crown

Late penalty scored by Gary Rodgers was enough for underdogs to slay the favourites

Seán Moran at O'Connor Park, Tullamore

 Kilmacud Crokes 1-6 Mullinalaghta 1-8

The AIB Leinster club SFC final has developed a reputation for drama in recent times but even so, Sunday’s finale in Tullamore brought the house down. A first win for a Longford club in the championship’s history – and in the county’s first final – was achieved in a blizzard of late activity as Mullinalaghta came from three down with five minutes to go to outscore the hot favourites, Kilmacud by 1-2 to nil in the time remaining.

Even the manner of the achievement was gripping, as the critical score came from a penalty, awarded after a flowing move was abruptly halted after a foul on Aidan McElliggott by Cian O’Sullivan in the 58th minute at which point the Dublin champions led by two, as David McGivney had trimmed the lead.

Kilmacud goalkeeper David Nestor had saved an injury-time penalty in the semi-final against Portlaoise to prevent the match going to extra-time but this time – coincidentally also against a player called Rogers (Craig) – Gary Rogers’s kick to the same right-hand side sent Nestor the wrong way and pushed the outsiders into the lead, 1-7 to 1-6 with a minute of normal time left on the clock.

Within 60 seconds the ball was turned over and worked to the left where McElligott shot his team two clear.

There was no mistaking the gravity of the situation now. This was a match that hadn’t been expected to be played on Mullinalaghta’s terms, tight and low-scoring but that’s how it evolved and with their 1-6 in an hour’s play, the task for Kilmacud in retrieving a two-point deficit looked immense and their lethargic response suggested that they realised as much.

In the dying minutes before the penalty they had tried to play down the clock, despite the danger of being just two ahead.


“For whatever reason we reverted back to type, which we had been doing probably for the last three years, more of a defensive game,” said manager Robbie Brennan afterwards, “keep ball, go backwards with it. We reverted back to that for some strange reason and it caught us.”

Mullinallaghta started well. They had plenty of possession and in Rian Brady the outstanding forward, buzzing around the attack and shooting with commendable accuracy on a cold windy afternoon for three points from play but also dropping deep to cover the typically counter attacking opposing backs.

They also shut down their opponents’ attack effectively with Paddy Fox quickly finding All Star Paul Mannion for company on the edge of the square where the Longford county defender played a stormer, giving his decorated prey hardly any room and expertly anticipating – albeit the not always laser-guided – through balls.

At one point Mannion was frustrated into invention and tried to play the ball to himself in the corner of the attack but possession was gobbled up.

Since the tortoise and the hare it hasn’t always been to the benefit of favourites to strike early and after a fifth-minute goal by Pat Burke, finished after a good move between Shane Horan and the lively Callum Pearson, the pick of the Kilmacud forwards. Instead of being a launchpad, the score appeared to anaesthetise the favourites and ended up bank rolling their somewhat aimless play for the remainder of the half during which they managed just two more points.

It wasn’t as if Mullinalaghta were making them pay top dollar for the lassitude and at times they looked nervous, as mistakes abounded on both sides. Liam Flatman, the Kilmacud corner back, got a black card in the 17th minute for hauling down Jayson Matthews.

James McGivney’s presence caused trouble for the favourites but he was too often bottled up on the sideline where his frustrations got him an early yellow card – a cause of controversy when a second was added at the end of the match but referee David Gough omitted to show the follow-up red although the player left the field shortly afterwards.

Cian O’Sullivan also saw red for a second yellow of his own in the 64th minute, an unhappy end to a difficult provincial campaign for the six-time All-Ireland winner.

Winning manager Mickey Graham said that being level at half-time re-emphasised to his team that they were in contention but the third quarter saw the favourites inch ahead with points from Craig Dias – who worked hard on the ball from centrefield although there was no clear winner in the zonal battle – and Pearson.
Tom McElligott sets off a firework on the pitch after the game. Photo: Oisin Keniry/Inpho Tom McElligott sets off a firework on the pitch after the game. Photo: Oisin Keniry/Inpho   
The outcome was still up for decision but the sense was that if Kilmacud could add a few scores, there would be no way back. Burke’s cancelling out of Rian Brady’ 50th-minute free within seconds appeared to nudge the match in that direction before the late charge shifted the Leinster club championship on its axis and breathed some seasonal romance into the football year.

ST COLUMBA’S MULLINALAGHTA: 1. Patrick Rogers; 2. Simon Cadam, 3. Patrick Fox, 4. Conan Brady; 6. Shane Mulligan, 7. Dónal McElligott (0-1), 5. Francis Mulligan; 9. John Keegan, 15. Aidan McElligott (0-1); 10. Gary Rogers (1-0), 11. James McGivney, 12. Brendan Fox; 13. Jayson Matthews, 14. Rian Brady (0-4, one free), 8. David McGivney (0-2, one free).

Subs: 18. Michael Cunningham for F Mulligan (48 mins).


KILMACUD CROKES: 1. David Nestor; 2. Liam Flatman, 7. Ross McGowan, 3. Andrew McGowan; 5. Cian O’Connor, 6. Cillian O’Shea, 4. Cian O’Sullivan; 8. Craig Dias (0-1), 9. Conor Casey; 12. Shane Horan, 11. Paul Mannion (0-2, frees), 10. Shane Cunningham; 13. Pat Burke (1-1), 25. Stephen Williams, 15. Callum Pearson (0-2).

Subs: 17. Aidan Jones for Flatman (black card, 18 mins), Kevin Dyas for Williams (48), Mark Vaughan for Pearson (56), Nathan Nolan for Ross McGowan (66).

Referee: David Gough (Meath).

Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: December 09, 2018, 10:56:23 PM »
Rinneamar é.

On antibiotics at the moment so I'm afraid the beer is out. Logged in to update the profile  ;D
Loving the profile. Before today it might have been regarded as notions but they actually did it.
What an amazing day after the disappointment of last year.

Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: December 09, 2018, 08:52:15 PM »
You can tell from the dinner dance video that Mullinalaghta
are a serious football team

I hope the dinner dance this year will be online
I presume Laureleye has taken the evening off for beer and peanuts

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 09, 2018, 08:26:49 PM »
Brexit is fucked. Here is why

Thatcher broke the miners in 1985. Instead of rehabilitating the communities they were left to rot.

UK manufacturing employment fell from 8.9 million
to just 2.9 million since the 1960s, and 500,000 coal jobs
ESA and the additional benefits received –
eg Housing Benefit and DLA  –
cost  £30bn
Or 3% of GDP

Sheffield Hallam studied the coalfields 30 years  later

Thatcher’s miner legacy :

Extent of ill health :

DLA claimant rate
Job density
Business stock
Business formation rate
Employment rate
Occupational structure
Workforce qualifications
Incapacity benefit claimant rate
Overall working-age claimant rate

The mining communities are sicker and poorer than other communities.  30 of the 43 most deprived communities in the UK are ex-mining communities.

These people were abandoned.

Osborne began his cuts after the 2011 election. They hit the former mining areas hard
 "In Bolsover, government funding has gone.

 Mansfield used to have 12 community development workers across all agencies. Now this is reduced to "just one or two".

In Wansbeck staffing reduced from 41 to 15."

“The financial cuts since 2010 have driven many voluntary and community
organisations in the coalfields into crisis, and often led to substantial

The people were courted by vote Leave and they thought they would be looked after. The coalfields voted Leave.
The combined effect of shabby treatment going back to the 80s, neglect and cuts drove the Leave vote.

Leave was the Tory death sentence and it was delivered in part by the people of Orgreave.

. The Tories promised them FOM and promised SE England growth. It can deliver neither. This a structural crisis.

Basically instead of rehabilitating the mining areas the Tories left them to hang. Given the disability costs of £30 bn pa this was far more expensive over the long term than doing the decent thing. The cherry on top was the Leave vote.

May gave a Lancaster House speech full of uncosted red lines. Nick Timothy believed that red lines were necessary to connect the Conservatives more deeply to the 52 % of the electorate who voted to
leave, in towns across the north of England, the Midlands and Wales who felt barely connected to the political process. These suffering people had been promised the world by gobshites.

"But senior civil servants, none of whom were consulted over Mrs May’s speech, were horrified
when they watched it on television.“"
May ran an unnecessary election on a strong Brexit  theme that was rejected by large swathes of the population. The UK is heavily polarised.

May had to cede on all of her red lines in negotiations with the EU. The UK cannot  drop freedom of movement and stay in the Single Market. It cannot go it alone without blowing up the UK economy.

There is no way forward that can deliver what the Tories promised the North of England.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: December 09, 2018, 04:55:02 PM »
An American story

Donald J. Trump


Joshua McKerrow

1. Today I did the annual story on holiday decorations at the Governor's residence. I've done it every year, for years. A very light but very fun story. Every year my reporting partner was Wendi Winters. This year, it was Selene. Wendi was murdered in June.

2. Selene did a great job, of course. And I really thought I could hold it together. I moved through the rooms with my tripod, focusing on the trees and ornaments. All I could think about was Wendi. I felt like she was with me, that she was actually present.

3. Not in a "ghost" sense, I hope she has moved on to a better world then Capital feature stories : ) But she was there in my mind. I could almost hear her voice echoing through the empty rooms. "How many cookies are you making this year?", her favorite question..

4. I was ok til the very end. Interviewed the butler, like I have every year, and when we were done she took me aside and whispered, "I really miss Wendi. Next year I'm going to name a cookie for her."

5. And that was it. The tears started, and I'm standing in the Maryland Governors home weeping to myself about my dead friend. She died in The Capital newsroom on June 28th, shot by a man who wanted to kill every journalist he could.

6. We don't know what set him off yet. After years of silence. What finally pushed him far enough that he loaded his shotgun, drove the 40 minutes from Laurel, parked his car, walked through the busy lobby, barricaded our back exit, blasted the simple fragile glass door.

Joshua McKerrow

Dec 7

7. Five people died, Rebecca, Wendi, Gerald, Rob, John. I always type their names in the order I think they were killed. I think, Rebecca first, at the door. Wendi charged him. Gerald and Rob were trapped in their cubicle. John, trying to get out the blocked exit.

8. Wendi was no ones enemy

Joshua McKerrow

Dec 7

Replying to
9. Every year Wendi made us all Oreo holiday cookies. except for the one year she made us jarred pesto. The question came up yesterday in the newsroom, who is going to make the cookies this year? Selene spoke up, I will.

10. I don't have a wrap-up to this story. I cried on and off all day. I miss her very much. I'm comforted that in a way she's still with me, when I do the work that she loved to do. Journalism. Patriotic, truth telling, American. We'll keep on doing the work.

Joshua McKerrow

Dec 7

Replying to
11. And if we die for it, someone else will pick up the threads, and report on the holiday decorations at the Governor's house. Its what we do. -

Shannon Watts


In the moments before she was shot dead at the Capital Gazette on June 28, reporter Wendi Winters - a 65 year old mother of four - stood up from her desk and charged at the rampaging gunman, brandishing a trash can and a recycling bin.

She shouldn't have had to be a hero...

Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: December 09, 2018, 04:04:48 PM »
Crokes beaten by some shite team from Longford.
Imagine what this means for the kids. Imagine the buzz in school tomorrow.
Imagine what Lomans are thinking.

2.5 million people in Leinster. One club.
This would have to be on a par with 1968.

Fair play to Laureleye who never gave in to irrational exuberance.

Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: December 09, 2018, 12:05:12 PM »
Go néirí libh Laureleye. Lá de bhúr saol. I can only imagine
the excitement levels. Whatever happens they are legends.

GAA Discussion / Re: Pretty good ad
« on: December 09, 2018, 11:29:57 AM »
They probably sell presentation boxes for all Ireland medals in Kerry as well

This video is good too

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