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GAA Discussion / Re: Shot Clock
« on: March 05, 2019, 02:27:09 PM »
As always when discussions turn to rules I'm very much in the camp of implementing the current rules properly before we go for more radical ideas. The steps rule and handpass rule are abused 100's of times in every game giving a massive advantage to the player in possession. Enforcing these two rules alone would make it much more difficult to retain possession which I think most would agree is the root of the problems with gaelic football.

On the other ideas:

Shot clock - I wouldn't be in favour of this....Brokencrossbar outlined the negatives earlier and I'd concur with most of that.

Restriction of players within the 45 - this could be a good idea. Lineman's main objective should be policing this (one linesman to be on each 45)....not worrying about who the ball hit last on the way out. 95% of line balls are obvious anyway. Breach of this - free from the top of the D AND possibly retain possession after the shot is taken.

13 a side - I think this is a case of a sledgehammer when a scalpel is needed. I'd only entertain it as a last resort.

Restriction of consecutive handpasses - handpassing isn't always a bad thing....many examples of fantastic goals scored after moves involving multiple handpasses. Again a blunt instrument to fix a nuanced problem so I'd be against unless all else fails.

Dublin - it's unfortunate that everyone is obsessed by Dublin and whether rule chages will suit them or curb them and using that as reason to support or not. My feeling is no matter what rule changes you make, Dublin will probably adapt quicker than the rest. I also think some posts that criticised Dublin's style of play are way off the mark. Dublin adjust to who they are playing and are brilliant at it. If you play a blanket defence....they'll pick it apart and then keep possession (some of what Sherlock has brought to their forward play from basketball is really interesting....McManamon along the end line springs to mind). If you go toe to toe with you they'll relish that challenge also. They're not a great team because of their tactics - they're a great team because they can adapt to any tactics. Obviously laden down with talent and a huge support structure but seriously well coached.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connaght Strongest province in ireland
« on: February 27, 2019, 11:29:45 AM »
It's just selective nonsense really , all three teams a million miles from Dublin and Kerry I suspect starting to widen the gap of the chasing pack also as number two. Galway possibly have potential but under Walsh they will not succeed . His style is ridiculous with such an abundance of skillful attacking footballers.

How are Galway "million miles" from Kerry? they beat them twice last year and only lost by one point at the weekend in a game that could have went either way and Mayo are well capable of beating Kerry in a few weeks.

On Galway's style i think a few people forget where Galway was before Walsh arrived, He has won a few Connacht titles for them after a barren spell, led them to All Ireland semi final and NFL final. The jury is out if they will succeed much more with a offensive minded manager.


List me all the teams that have won All Ireland's playing this style? I'll save you the bother - it's one. Also the number of times a team playing this style have beaten Dublin. And the likelyhood of this happening again is very remote. Its a scandal with the attacking players Galway have a more balanced approach can't be taken but that's what you get with poor coaches - the easy way out.

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GAA Discussion / Re: John McEntee Under 20 article
« on: February 25, 2019, 02:16:04 PM »
I would guess most college exams are over so you must mean leaving certs, I suppose? I think for the overall greater good of the association as a whole a few 18 year olds missing some U20 intercounty league games isn't the end of the world. There's no perfect world but this is a positive step towards freeing up more time for clubs. Sad to hear of teams training already but not surprising. I just hope the association is vigilant in tackling breaches of rules and sticks to their guns. No challenge games must be stuck to ridigly as well.

With the minor championship changed to U17 the U20 competition was meant to be the age group for 18 year olds to play in. Missing out because those at the top schedule the U20 competitions during exams is wrong and a number missed out on the championship last year because of exams.
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From helping out with the club, Iím reliably informed that it would be better if the grades remained the same, in terms of lads doing exams. Most people who sit exams are u19, while junior certs would be u16, whereas previously u19 would be the first year of u21, and u16 generally didnít come into the reckoning with minor, now nearly half a minor team would be u16, and a good few u20s would be u19. The age-grade change is an absolute disaster.


I couldn't agree more. It's a nonsense in my eyes. They were all set to bring in is as mandatory at club level at congress but must have got negative feedback because it was withdrawn. They'll have everything lined up to ram it through at a special congress later on this year no doubt.

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GAA Discussion / Re: John McEntee Under 20 article
« on: February 23, 2019, 10:20:14 AM »
I would guess most college exams are over so you must mean leaving certs, I suppose? I think for the overall greater good of the association as a whole a few 18 year olds missing some U20 intercounty league games isn't the end of the world. There's no perfect world but this is a positive step towards freeing up more time for clubs. Sad to hear of teams training already but not surprising. I just hope the association is vigilant in tackling breaches of rules and sticks to their guns. No challenge games must be stuck to ridigly as well.

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General discussion / Re: venezuela. What's it all about?
« on: January 30, 2019, 12:36:53 PM »
It's just so duplicitous that the US et al are talking shit about how they are worried for democracy in Venezuela, there are hundreds of countries out there in much worse shape, with much worse regimes they don't give a f**k about, plenty of them are considered allies.


Well said.

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General discussion / Re: venezuela. What's it all about?
« on: January 28, 2019, 04:27:01 PM »
Yes and no. The socialists have fcuked it up. I think Chavez was well intentioned and initially did a lot of good for those whpo needed it thre most. However corruption seeped in and things have just got worse under Maduro. Don't think the change will improve things but it will give the US back control of Venezuela's oil....which is the answer to your main question.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2019 Dubs again?
« on: January 28, 2019, 03:02:41 PM »
You know with all the talk of rules the highlights and games I saw over the weekend confirmend what I've always thought. If we can't enforce the rules about the basics of the game then we've no business tinkering with other rules. Reape's goal for Mayo - took at least a dozen steps before playing the ball, turning and shooting. None of the commentators on Eir said a word during the game or during the analysis. Neither did Gooch or Mr Rules himself on RTE last night. Everyone just accepts it now.

The handpass is another one. I would say that 30-40% (and perhaps more) of handpasses are fouls. Lads are just throwing the ball.

Proper enforcement of these two rules would change the game for the better in my view.

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I think it's potentially a big issue and seems to me the GAA is doing little or no planning for it. In fact they actually seem to be pushing on with a massive change to underage grades at the exact same time which strikes me as complete lunacy. Personally I feel this is a disappointing move by soccer and one which will guarantee everyone loses except rugby. Again I think a double standard exists....if the GAA decided to move into another sports traditional territory/calendar there would be an outcry about it. I don't think that's paranoia.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: January 28, 2019, 10:55:48 AM »
Joanne Cantwell was 100% right last night - how anyone would think otherwise is mind boggling to me. She told him several times and in his own self absorbed arrogance he just completely ignored her and went off ranting again about the rules. He added nothing last night. Sometimes he does add a lot. Sometimes he does write excellently but a lot of the time it's the same old crap how he knows and the authorities are idiots. Maybe if he was more consistent and able to work with (and listen to) others then he might be listened to.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connacht Centre of Excellence
« on: November 26, 2018, 01:11:18 PM »
Sports facilities are never a waste of time or a waste of money. I'd say due to its location, Mayo teams probably do get the biggest benefit - Mayo club games played there I understand??? I think though that most clubs in the province would have used it at some point and it's obviously well utilised by schools and colleges etc. I think some people in Sligo, Leitrim and Roscommon mainly were moe concerned about their own county centres and would have preferred the money to go to those projects instead. Sligo seem to have gotten over that anyway - their centre of excellence looks really good.

I firmly believe though that a subsidised floodlighting programme for clubs in counties that are a good distance from Dublin (most of Connacht for example) would be a worthwhile programme that Connacht GAA should look at.

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General discussion / Re: Forgiveness
« on: August 22, 2018, 09:15:55 AM »
Forgiving is one thing. And I'd guess as a man of faith Harte has forgiven those who have wronged him. However - it doesn't mean he has to forget about it and partake in and assist their business. Forgiveness doesn't imply you have to befriend the person you forgive.

Personally - I'd always be more wary of people who have done me wrong in the past. A few in particular, while I'd wish them no ill will, I'd be quite happy if I never laid eyes on them or had to speak to them again. I think that's a quite reasonable position no matter what you believe.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should Tyrone speak to RTE
« on: August 20, 2018, 03:33:19 PM »
If Tyrone win, the Sunday Game panel that evening will solely consist of match highlights and the panel picking daft 'end of season' awards.


Ya, will really miss the yahooing and the "sure it wasn't me, it was the rest of the lads made my job east..." - cutting edge insight. Hopefully when they show the highlights we get the crucial team running out and supports shots that add so much.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should Tyrone speak to RTE
« on: August 20, 2018, 03:19:10 PM »
RTE's coverage of gaelic games in general but particularly gaelic football is atrocious. I don't think these interviews reveal anything relevant. Like - is anyone really looking forward to Jim Gavin's pre match or post match interview? And that's no offence to him. They're pointless.

It's about the game and journalists (if they can be called that) try to make it about them.

I see your point, itís not like any other sport has post match interviews or any other tv channel does post match interviews. What kind of lunatic are u?


Why do we have to be like other sports? Why do RTE have to do mind numbingly boring interviews that offer no insight whatsoever? Possibly to help people who know SFA about the games to have a conversation when they go to the pub....that's about all I can think of.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Should Tyrone speak to RTE
« on: August 20, 2018, 02:37:54 PM »
RTE's coverage of gaelic games in general but particularly gaelic football is atrocious. I don't think these interviews reveal anything relevant. Like - is anyone really looking forward to Jim Gavin's pre match or post match interview? And that's no offence to him. They're pointless.

It's about the game and journalists (if they can be called that) try to make it about them.

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The bottom line is - the rules do not allow it. And if we're suggesting rules should be broken when it suits us I'd suggest that's a large part of the problem with this country....everyone believes they're "an exception" or "a one-off" and should get favourable treatment. That's basically the system we're used to under FF/FG and co but it's not right.

I'd suggest the people who are outraged use their energy to put motions through GAA clubs and get the rules changed at congress. It's a long time since the old rule 42 was amended to allow rugby and soccer into Croke Park while Lansdowne Road was being redeveloped. I've seen or heard of no motion to further relax the rules being defeated. We can't have rule changes by media outcry. There's a process. For all its faults it has stood the GAA in good stead. The agenda can't be set by the news reel.

Incompetent thinking, breathtaking in it's arrogance.


Just because you say something it doesn't mean it is the case. Make your argument against what I've said. Don't resort to playground insults of the person like Damian Duff for example.

Happily;

You state rules are rules, and tried to equate this issue to body politic of Ireland (which in and of itself demonstrates a narrow and incompetent mindset)
The rule states that use of GAA grounds must adhere to the aims of the organisation. In this instance the event does not conflict with the aims of the GAA, but itís a charity event?

Youíve seen or heard no motion to further relax the rules since Rule 42? Check out the motions proposed by Milltown Malbay that have been defeated twice since.

This is not about rules of the GAA, there have been two massive own goals this year that have done more to hinder the aims of the organisation and have been completely self inflicted.


Thank you for being respectful and engaging in more than insults although there are still a few there.

On your first point - I'm at a loss to understand how I'm displaying a "narrow and incompetent mindset". Are you suggesting that we do not regularly bend rules in Irish society? Perhaps you accept that we do and think it's a good think? Personally, I don't believe it is as it creates and feeds a culture of mistrust and cynicism.

My personal belief is that the event does not further the aims of the GAA. Smarter people than me seem to agree. When soccer and rugby were let into Croke Park - yes, it was for the greater good - but the rules had to be changed as it didn't further the aims of the GAA. To simply ignore it's a soccer match involving huge names and say it's a charity event is disingenuos. I don't think any kids in Cork will be attending due to their charitable nature, do you?

I'm not saying that's right or wrong - but the rules are written as they are written and they're either upheld or ignored.

I wasn't aware of the Miltown Malbay motions. I stand corrected.

Equating the Newbridge situation with this is interesting, if an entirely false equivalence. In both situations, there's lots of controversy - i'll give you that. However, in both situations it looks like the GAA rules will be upheld, which obviously you don't want this time.

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