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10621
Impression Sammy, just an impression.

okay
then lets agree to spell bigotry properly. :)

10622
Hang on a minute. Someone wrote a play about what was then a current, actual event which she hadn't attended. Fair enough, she's entitled to do so, whether I or anyone else likes what she's written.
But that is not the point which Sammy and I and other NI fans are making.
Rather, the fat bigot Fearon reappears to herald a revival of the play, alleging that absolutely nothing has changed since the events which Jones dramatised.

I have already dismissed Fearan's analysis as tripe in my first post.
Don't mix and match  posts or points made.

What has emerged is that
Sammy denies the play is about one man dealing with his bigoted mindset.
Many Lies in the play.
Times have changed, no context now for reviving the play.

Imo
Its so called resurrection in Belfast (did it die)
can have a continued positive effect on bigoted influences in society.
Laugh at the pure irrational hateful stupidity of bigotry. It's one way a society can deal with it. Plays like this  expose bigotry, its causes, maintaining factors and be okay with it before it is swept under the carpet.
Bring it up, expose it, laugh at it and dump it.
The impression I get from you and Sammy is that everything is fine now don't bring up the Bigotry play again. Why the feck not? If everybody is okay with Bigotry in the North then either no one will go to it or people will go and enjoy to be reminded of the vileness of bigotry.
If there is a reaction against the  showing of the play, then not everybody is comfortable with the bigoted past.
Who gives a feck if it's just about loyalist bigots. Dermot Morgan had for decades lampooning catholicism and their bigots with savage humor.


10623
I've no idea what this means but I love Father Ted if that helps.

Sammy, It's hard to imagine that you have a sense of humor not to mention some love in your heart as well.

10624
Down a familiar road of a Nationalists head count at WP and Neil Lennon quotes.
Therfore in this context bigotry is not obvious at WP therefore the play needs updating.
Imo the play doesn't need updating. It's a sharp enough reflection of bigotry in a moment of time.
It is a play which has travelled well to different cultures. The play has a purpose wherever in the world there are bigots.
It's based on real enough characters that the playright and the actor have identified in their own life.

 Marie wasn't there that night in November, so what, maybe she had never been to a dole office or attended a golf club social. What's the insinuation, that she can't write a play about bigotry? It like some arse criticizing One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest because such and such would never have happened in an asylum.
Sammy are you the 6 county equivalant of the critics who campaigned to have Dermot Morgan censored in the Father Trendy days ?

10625
Apparantly she was very proud of the play when Marty Maguire was doing it. Much of it was written with him in mind.
PM Marie herself for her personal thoughts and feelings about going to WP these days.

10626
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
« on: April 22, 2007, 08:29:05 PM »

Senior game on a full length GAA pitch of course?

10627
So Sammy are you letting pedantry get in the way of a good laugh?
It's play about bigotry the world over, no need to take it so personal just because it's set in the North. I would have thought the location was spot on.

The play might be a lot of things but I don't think anybody would describe it as a 'good laugh'.
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I wonder what the GAWA playwright thinks about the rival?
what does that mean?

When Marie Jones wrote the play, she admitted that she'd never been to a match. Since then she has joined the Green and White Army and now goes to matches home and away. I was just wondering what she thinks of her play being resurrected, years after it's 'sell by date', given that she's now a member of the 'bigots', that the play criticises.
Oh I misunderstood, I thought WP was a different place these days.

You appear obsessed with presumptions about Marie Jones.
Who gives a fiddlers fart what goes through Marie Jones's head.


10628
So Sammy are you letting pedantry get in the way of a good laugh?
It's play about bigotry the world over, no need to take it so personal just because it's set in the North. I would have thought the location was spot on.

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I wonder what the GAWA playwright thinks about the rival?
what does that mean?

10629
Anyhow, about this play, some facts might help:
The relevant fact is that Marie has written a world wide critically acclaimed hit and could if she wanted rest on that achievement alone.
Here is a stream of a Boston US public radio show with Marty Maguire explaining the story behind
"A night in November"  and performing extracts from the show, it's good stuff.

http://stream.publicbroadcasting.net/ros/open_source_061122.mp3

10630
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
« on: April 22, 2007, 02:21:25 PM »
If you are so interested in 'equality' you will have no problem with Cork City playing in Pairc Ui Caoimh, a local authority owned pitch that has recieved capital funding?
Cork GAA are listed as the owners of Pairc ui Caoimh.
Im sure CCFC fans could fit easily into one section behind the goals. Cork City FC, if that's their name this year, is a privately owned soccer club, could surely fill out their own forms and submit them them to the Sports Council and apply for grants.

10631
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
« on: April 21, 2007, 07:48:53 PM »
I know that GAA heads are fond of generalization, but any suggestion that this kind of behavior is typical of Rovers fans is absolutely ludicrous. Genuine Rovers fans abhor such carry-on and condemn it unreservedly. There are many Rovers members, volunteers and genuine fans (I'm all three) and after all the time, effort and money put in, it is nauseating to see such lowlife turn up at Rovers matches, intent on aping there lowlife counterparts across the water. Their is absolutely NO excuse for the infantile chants heard last night. The Rovers board has issued an apology on www.shamrockrovers.ie - and if the perpetrators can be identified, they will be barred from future games.
It isn't an appropriate time in the thread to attempt to split my side with laughter with starting your post like that.
Any idea why the sick abuse was not reported to the stewards or were there any reports of other fans trying to stop them?

10632
General discussion / Re: Shamrock Rovers Ultras
« on: April 21, 2007, 06:18:26 PM »
I caught a small bit on the radio this morning. It appears one of the Drogheda players (Webb?) recently lost his wife and is just back playing after her death. Some of the Rovers fans were giving him some verbals over it.

Would you expect more?
"Some verbals" doesn't quite explain it.
There are different versions flying around. Most are agreed on something very like "isn't cancer a bitch" was shouted at Simon Webb whenever he was playing close to the more noxious of the Rovers supporters. Webb's wife I think died from cancer. That's why Doolin was livid and Webb was reported to be shattered.

10633
It is fitting that this powerful drama is being revived at this time, to counteract the deluded propaganda that sectarianism has been eradicated from Windsor Park
A play set in time 14 years ago does not counteract anything about WP today. What timepiece do you have?
   
I haven't seen the play. I thought it was about one man's reaction to the Windsor Pk "experience", leading him to examine and deal with his own prejudices.

10634
Monaghan / Re: Official Monaghan GAA Thread
« on: April 20, 2007, 09:54:27 PM »
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Can anyone give me directions from Castleblaney to Latton?

http://www.monaghantourism.com/html/moncountymap.html

Go via Ballybay

10635
Monaghan / Re: Official Monaghan GAA Thread
« on: April 20, 2007, 01:44:59 PM »
What's the news on Lennon, how long is he out for?

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