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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: November 07, 2019, 01:10:28 PM »
Likely to be from neither, he gets the reaction on here that he sets out to do.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: November 06, 2019, 07:20:31 PM »
And will you stop with the south Down nonsense ffs.  You are making a tit of yourself and your 2 or 3 clubs you claim to be part of.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: November 06, 2019, 07:18:28 PM »
Will you catch yourself on.

Burren will do well to get 8 of that team playing senior club football never mind for Down.  The current under 20 team have been talked up a lot through the age groups and they have regressed significantly so a lot can happen between 16 and 20.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 23, 2019, 10:15:36 PM »
He managed in division 1 done ok with Castlewellan regardless if he was only in for the playoff.
Jesus what do people in here want. He’s young too and I’m sure he can take some coaching. Would be interesting to know why Benny has stepped away. Mayobridge maybe.
Hearing the lad Beatty taking most of the training and boys not overly impressed with it
Give Doran a chance

Benny not getting any say apparently so had enough and rightly so.

I don't see the 2 new boys having much say either but you never know.  The whole management package looks expensive enough.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 21, 2019, 08:39:37 PM »
For many it's not jealousy either.

I don't think anyone could doubt that Kilcoo minor and senior team were the best teams in Down this year.  The minor team in particular are impressive and by a distance superior to the teams around them. 

But that's not what this discussion is about.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 21, 2019, 08:34:18 PM »
I would like an opportunity to clear a couple of things up regarding the minor match yesterday. Especially as whitegoodman, forevergreen, smurfy and others post whatever comes into their heads as fact.
The whole incident sits well with no one from the Kilcoo club.
The player involved was genuinely remorseful for what he said. He could have denied it and never had a suspension imposed on him but I’m glad he chose instead to admit his guilt and accepted his one match ban imposed by Kilcoo committee.
The punishment for verbally abusing your opponent carries a max one match ban.
Instead the County board gave an 8 week ban for ‘bringing the game into disrepute’.
The Lad missed 4 matches including a senior and minor championship final.
A fair enough punishment I’d have thought.
How do you please the jealous mobs? Firing squad? Hangman?
Now ask yourselves honestly, would your club have suspended one of its own under similar circumstances?
I doubt it. Kilcoo acted with courage and I admire them for it.
The lad has learned his lesson, as a club we’ve tried to learn from this.
Always keen to improve, always keen to learn.

Courage you say... ::) ::) ::)

Yea could expand on the courage part, has me a bit confused!

Of the 4 games how many were minor games  ?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 21, 2019, 02:29:22 PM »
With the greatest respect WGM, you’re missing my fundamental point. I’m not in any way suggesting that Kilcoo were right to appeal. I’m suggesting that if placed in an identical situation, just about every club in Ireland would appeal.

You might wish to believe that your own club is different. But I expect it’s not.

Anything goes in Gaelic Games. We have a serious cultural issue. Kilcoo are a symptom, not the cause.

This is a fair point - I can't think of any time a player has been suspended by their own club because of an on the field disciplinary issue and I do think while it is easy to take the high ground when it isn't your club. I'm not sure any club would have voluntarily suspended one of their most important players before a county final.

Clubs/coaches maybe in effect 'suspend' players for missing training or breaching a no drink ban etc, but obviously this is just called 'being dropped'.

I do think we have to remember that this happened at underage level though and no matter what clubs/county/provincial boards etc did in this matter in regards to applying and lifting sanctions, the one thing I can say is that as a parent, I can categorically state, that if it was my son who did something like this, he would not have been on that field yesterday.

Good point.

Kilcoo didnt need to do the internal suspension, they just needed to adhere to the suspension already given.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 21, 2019, 02:26:14 PM »
I brought Ballyholland into it because you obviously believe they are one of the 90% that would appeal and I would be surprised by that.

The act was despicable at all age groups but even more so at underage level.  To think that most committees  would appeal for the sake of an underage championship is shocking and something I struggle to comprehend or get my head around.  Nor do I believe it to be the truth.

The appeals process may be morally bankrupt but I suspect it has not seen this sort of appeal before.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 21, 2019, 01:55:51 PM »
I get your fundamental point, I still think its wrong.

A clubs actions are based on the culture set within that club.  I would be shocked and horrified if 90% of clubs in Down would appeal an underage suspension given the circumstances.  You obviously believe Ballyholland would have appealed which is a surprise as I know a lot of good people in Ballyholland and would envisage they wouldn't stand for this sort of thing.

Id actually be shocked if 90% of the people on this board didn't disagree with what you say.  If that's not the case then it is extremely disturbing and the GAA really has hit a new low.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 21, 2019, 01:31:26 PM »
Its not that often I would agree with Downjim but in this case I do and I think you are wrong Wobbler.  I don't think you are getting the main issues around this.  It is only a matter of months since the Mayobridge lad lost his mother and his opponent is using this to gain an advantage.  This happened at an underage match FFS.  If you don't deem this worse than what has gone before then it says more about you than anything else.

When you take into account the offence and the age of the lad I think most clubs would not have appealed in the circumstances.  The club should have set down a marker that he went too far and went way over the line that would be deemed acceptable.  I think any club with morals would have done this and I would have no problem telling anyone from Kilcoo this.  How would the lad from Mayobridge and his father have felt when they heard the news of the appeal? That heart felt doorstep apology doesn't seem so heartfelt now.   It is ironic as it would have been likely that Kilcoo would have won yesterday without him.

Kilcoo have had a fantastic year but it is tainted by this.  I have no doubts that they wont give a damn but it has and will lose them respect throughout the county and province.

General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: October 20, 2019, 10:29:59 PM »
There is one over in London that would suffice

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 20, 2019, 08:56:20 PM »
A win at all cost mentality taken too far perhaps.

Is it true Benny is away from the county and Mickey Walsh and Mark Doran are in.  If correct it's nice to see performances being rewarded !!

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 14, 2019, 08:34:30 AM »
Niall has played for Down.

The McGovern brothers must have a fair chunk of medals between them but maybe not as much as the brannigans.  However if you asked Aidan and co I'm sure they would swap a couple of their county medals for Ulster and All Ireland ones.

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 12, 2019, 10:41:27 AM »
Does anyone actually think Kilcoo are right in appealing the ban ?

Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: October 10, 2019, 01:21:48 PM »
Is it true the Point had a press day last week ?  Would this sort of thing normally be done by club teams ?

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