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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 25, 2018, 09:43:53 AM »
Nice try Wobbler.
You know exactly what you are doing and its in keeping with the running theme this last 5 or 6 years with your club, key individuals and the relationship with the county board/administration in general. It doesnt seem to be abating either.

Interesting angle. From my perspective I watched in the past year is provide 5 members to the county minor panel, provide a club referee, heftily increase our Down Draw ticket sales, and just this month provided our facilities on 3 Saturdays out of 4 for development squad games.

So unless youíre prepared to back up your slander of our club, Iíd ask you to retract this nonsense.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 25, 2018, 09:02:39 AM »
6th Sam. Nobody is biting off the hand that feeds us.

Why are people determined to make this Ballyholland v Down. It is anything but. There will be no more or fewer Ballyholland folk in Esler on Saturday than there would be if we put a bolt on the club doors.

The club is being opened that evening for people who would prefer to watch a different event.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 25, 2018, 06:02:20 AM »
Promotion of games my f**king arse.

The only promotion you've had in Ballyholland lately is in the Carnbane league.

Itís kind of difficult to get promoted from D1 you clampitt

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 24, 2018, 11:40:26 PM »
As mentioned a couple of times on this thread....

Promotion of Gaelic Games.

Weíve a provincial council charging £30 (which is £80 for a family of 4) in to watch a match between a D3 side thatís never been at a lower ebb, and a D4 side that outwardly would appear to have given up on moving up the ranks.

That pricing structure, whether they mean to or not, sends a clear message that you need both a hefty interest in Gaelic Games, and a fair enough disposable income, to consider going along.

To compound this matter theyíve faced it off in direct competition with the biggest televised sporting event in europe, featuring a club side who (for reasons I cannot really explain, this ďusĒ soccer culture) capture the hearts and minds of tens of thousands of Antrim and Down GAA followers, playing in their biggest match in 13 years.

So our provincial council, as well as pricing the game out of reach for half-interested or currently disenchanted supporters, and for lower income families, have elected to push thousands upon thostands of potential attendees away.

The Ulster Council are NOT promoting our games. In a race to make money to cover costs theyíve largely invented for themselves, they have forgotten that this is not the GAA ethos.


And itís an epidemic across leadership in our association. Between league fees, county board levees like the Down draw, insurance and rates, our clubs all start the year £20k in the red. Thatís before a ball is kicked, a meeting is held, a light is turned on. For most clubs, that equates to £100 a family. Before a ball is kicked, meeting is held, a light turned on.

Itís a scandal the way the GAA is going.

So before you start shitting your mouths on a club like Ballyholland, which has grown in every aspect - facilities, structures, success - from an intermediate club to a senior club in the past 10 years, mostly by increasing our membership base,  just have a good think about where money comes from, why we need so much of it, where it all goes, and where the real problems lie.


Promotion of games my f**king arse.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 22, 2018, 01:19:25 PM »
Sure could you not put it up on one screen?
Brandband problems. We get about 16 meg, which means it collapses when thereís more than half a dozen people online.

Advertise as showing GAA we have to be able to deliver on it. We canít. So we might as well attract a few people in who made up their minds weeks ago that they werenít going to the marshes, but havenít yet decided where theyíre going.

Itís actually a simple enough choice.

As mentioned a few posts ago. More clubs will follow with the same this week. As long as youve barmen not going to the Marshes, itís much more sensible.

16MB/s is more than ample for streaming iplayer, I do it on just over 3MB/s.
Put a temporary password on the Wifi for the evening to secure it.


At the same time the Ulster Council really are pricing the families out of these games, £30 at the gate is crazy money for an adult.


16MB does work sometimes.

But really honestly fella, Iím the one who has been called in on umpteen occasions the past year when our clubís Smart TV isnít streaming. So with the greatest respect Iím a whole pile more qualified than you are to make a judgement call on whether this particular service is up to it.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 21, 2018, 10:34:58 PM »
or maybe its a case of we don't have anybody on the Down panel and we feel we should have, so feck them. we wont have anything to do with them, wont even watch it and maybe we wont be overly disappointed if they lose. all adds to the ballyholland siege mentality, us against the rest.

No it doesnít. Wind your neck in.

Iím sorry to tell you friend, weíve only got 400 odd members including juveniles, and thereís going to be many, many, many more than 400 vacant places at Esler on Saturday evening. Barbecue weather could tip it under 5,000 people.

So stop bashing one club. Itís childish.

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The Ulster Council in their infinite wisdom have decided to put  a round 1 game between two  struggling counties in direct competition with the biggest sporting event in the world this weekend.

And then they want people to pay £30 for the privilege.

If anyone on this thread has a problem with how Gaelic Games are being promoted, start by knocking on that door.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 21, 2018, 10:28:04 PM »
Sure could you not put it up on one screen?
Brandband problems. We get about 16 meg, which means it collapses when thereís more than half a dozen people online.

Advertise as showing GAA we have to be able to deliver on it. We canít. So we might as well attract a few people in who made up their minds weeks ago that they werenít going to the marshes, but havenít yet decided where theyíre going.

Itís actually a simple enough choice.

As mentioned a few posts ago. More clubs will follow with the same this week. As long as youve barmen not going to the Marshes, itís much more sensible.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 21, 2018, 09:57:35 PM »
Perhaps youíre right folks.

But bear this in mind. Our club bar will be open Saturday evening as it always is. We are in something of a broadband blackspot, and are genuinely unable to guarantee the smooth streaming of an iPlayer feed for 70 minutes.

Whereas we can guarantee RTE for the champions league final will work.

So tell me something. In this situation is is better that our members who really want to watch Down play but donít want to watch it at home, nor watch it in real life 1 mile away, are at least advised in advance that the club isnít really an option either? Or do we wait until the stream drops after 10 minutes to let them know?

Sometimes things arenít as simple as the click bait generation want to believe.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 21, 2018, 08:59:30 PM »
Two miles down the road Down play in the USFC snd Ballyholland post that.  I thought it was a piss take but apparently not.
What a joke of a club, and Wobbler you canít defend this. Would it happen it Joe Murphy was still on panel

Keep on fishing. You will catch me eventually.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: May 21, 2018, 08:23:06 PM »
No McDonagh or Ring results given!!!!

Give both those competitions to TG4/Eirsport and watch them flourish.


As for a tiered football competition, RTE would treat it with disdain.
Excellent idea. Tg4 or Eir would do wonders with them.

The IRFU forced RTE into showing u-20s and womens rugby if they wanted the rights to the 6 nations.
The GAA approaches TV rights negotiations as if we're just glad somebody is willing to show the games at all.
It's like they think televised games involving the 'weaker' counties will devalue the product.

Ladies rugby is a minority sport and helps RTE fulfil its public service remit.

A second tier GAA match wouldnít.

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Down / Re: Down Club Hurling & Football
« on: May 21, 2018, 05:47:54 PM »
Watch while a stream of other clubs now follow suit Ambrose.

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This is a pretty good game so far.

But of lateral passing going on, but not sure how it could be described as horrible.

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Just noticed Clare number 11 in hurling getting a yellow card for a similar tackle to the one Grimley got sent off for.

That's because his opponent didn't roll around in feigned agony, clutching his face and took it in a manly fashion without trying to get his man sent off.


To be honest I reckon itís more to do with media punditry.

In hurling, the analysts describe anything short of a night in hospital as men being men. So the masses buy into this, and what referee really wants to go against the masses?

Whereas in football, thereís a queue of absolute shithead analysts waiting to denounce anything and everything as GBH, especially when one of their own countyís team is tackled. So everything goes under the spotlight, the public go up in arms, and referees have no choice but to do what is demanded off them.

The levels of diving and injury feigning in our game is directly related to this too.


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Football is simple and it is complicated by people who believe in systems over skills. I have always. Even if the opinion that the basics are the key and it you can do them better than the man beside you in the opposite jersey then this increases the changes of winning. The fundamentals are the basic building blocks and I get the feeling that armagh donít know what they are. It wonít change and thatís the reality. Too many people in key positions are happy with the status hip remaining

Iíd agree 100%.

Itís truly odd just how many people are determined that complex systems, and focusing on the oppositon instead on your own team, will make average players into good players.

As for the naming of incorrect teams and bizarre positional switches. Down players from 1991 and 94 played in a remarkably simple time; when you put your best 15 on the field in the best arrangement to make the most of their abilities. And it produced success. Yet a succession of those players have convinced themselves that their role as managers is to focus on the ďextra 2%Ē, instead of the initial 100%.

Armaghís class of 2003 also enjoyed remarkably uncomplicated tactics and a straightforward duel in the sun approach to team formations and announcements. Yet as managers, those players just donít seem to believe in that approach.

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Hard to tell whoís worse in this game. Awful awful stuff on show.

Not having that. Fermanagh are playing very efficiently.

Armagh absolutely horrendous.

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