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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 12, 2018, 04:48:12 PM »
http://eamonnmallie.com/2018/11/northern-ireland-will-be-more-british-than-ever-post-brexit-by-david-mcnarry/

Unionists getting more triumphalist as the Brexit endgame edges closer.
That is one of the most delusional articles I have read in quite some time. Impressively way off the mark.

McNarry is a certified nutjob. The only person who gives that balloon any credence is Nolan... enough said  ::)

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 12, 2018, 02:04:04 AM »
Many of those that served in the two world wars were conscripted and didn't have a choice. I know at 18 I might have been full of bravado....but truth be told I'd have shit myself in all probability if called up. Would all the Irish men on here answer the call....if Ireland went to war......or would they be claiming Britishness?

There was no conscription in Ireland. And considering Ireland, unlike the British, never had any desire to invade other countries, murder their people and exploit their resources, I'm trying to think of anyone who would want to go to war with Ireland.

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 11, 2018, 03:29:15 PM »
Now they're complaining about a witch-hunt against their brave boys. They can stick their f**king poppy up their holes.

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 11, 2018, 01:23:20 AM »
f**k, that English teacher at St Paul's was operating under false pretences judging by the shite you spout

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 10, 2018, 05:11:13 PM »
Aye, whatever. Knock yourself out

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 10, 2018, 04:19:16 PM »
Fair play to Tracey Magee, refusing to wear a poppy on UTV Live... girl has more balls than Frankie Fuckwit and all those other west Brits on UTV and local BBC

Maybe they have reasons for wearing them? Other than the view you think most people wear them? Does someone from Cornwall wearing one piss you off?

We're it for the sole reason to remember soldiers who died in World War I and II, I wouldn't have an issue whatsoever. But you know as well as I do that the thing has been completely hijacked to include all of the Brits' imperial misbehaviour. Any West Brit wearing a poppy is remembering the Black and Tans, Auxilliaries, murdering Para b**tards of Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday, and colluding, murdering b**tards of the UDR and RUC.

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 09, 2018, 06:17:03 PM »
Fair play to Tracey Magee, refusing to wear a poppy on UTV Live... girl has more balls than Frankie Fuckwit and all those other west Brits on UTV and local BBC

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 08, 2018, 07:02:11 PM »
f**k him. Concentrate on those who want to play for Ireland

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 06, 2018, 11:16:53 PM »
Heaps of Irish men died in both World Wars. They should be remembered.
The Poppy has almost become a toxic symbol because of Poppy Fascists. I am fairly certain the RBL never wanted that to be the case.

Interesting that you were expected to wear a Poppy as part of the 'British Values' agenda. As a very quick thought if you live in lets say Saudia Arabia are you expected to wear the traditional dress etc? Then we have the Burka debate. Are we tolerant of other peoples views? Even when they bring them to our own doorstep?

The British Legion's stance is that wearing the thing should be personal choice. But it must be more proactive in putting that message out to the uneducated cavemen. So-called nationalists in the media should grow a set also and refuse to wear one on camera (apart from Frank Mitchell, of course, who loves an oul poppy as much as he loves changing his name to make it more acceptable to his unionist employers)

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General discussion / Re: Shankill Bombing
« on: October 26, 2018, 05:31:38 PM »
If you look at the statistics of deaths a lot of either civilians or paramilitaries died when bombs went off at the wrong time, as in Shankill. In the Miami Showband case the 2 UVF thugs who put a bomb in the bandís bus were decapitated because of shoddy work. Nothing to do with securing the Union or
Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

When  a few civilians died due to what was basically incompetence it changed the dynamics from a targeting of other paramilitaries (which was grand) to an attack on
the whole community (which was not).

The gravitas of dying for Ireland or the Union as a paramilitary ignores the technical incompetence angle.

Somerville and that other cnut Boyle were UDR, wearing their uniforms that night and members of the Glenanne Gang, who along with many more UDR and RUC scum, were running rampant in Mid Ulster murdering nationalists left, right and centre without hindrance in that period. The legal forces of the British state. They did the exact same throughout their empire.

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General discussion / Re: Shankill Bombing
« on: October 25, 2018, 10:18:03 PM »
I genuinely don't know where to start with this latest bile. You believe that the IRA sat bloodthirsty waiting on an opportunity to murder and terrorise their communities?

All thousands of them? I take it you'd apply that same logic to Mr Michael Collins and his 12 apostles, to Tom Barry and his flying columns or to Dan Breen in Tipperary?

Or maybe these were ordinary people upon whom an extraordinary life was thrusted? When British Paratroopers kill 14 people in Derry and commit atrocities in Ballymurphy, do you not think for a second that these type of conditions might create resistance and people wishing to fight those inflicting that pain and injustice? Or maybe these people were born bloodthirsty? When you say the IRA 'enriched' themselves of terrorised their communities, are you speaking from experience? Where do you live? Because that's not the communities that I know and that I have lived in all my life. Maybe you have been reading Ruth Dudley Edwards a bit too much from some ivory Tower. I don't know the answer to that.

But again, not one mention from you about the British... Strange that.

I literally finished my post talking about the British. I don't think getting into "look what themmuns did" is a very grown up way to conduct your argument. Let's just say we have very different views on the role of the IRA. But this narrative of they were pushed into violence by the evil British is very simplified. Republicans and Nationalists had a choice. Some or "thousands" as you put it (not verified) chose violence. I think those that didn't chose violence, did more for Ireland that anyone who shot some innocent person going about his days work or blew up a child out doing some shopping.

What do you think of the IRA of Collins, Brugha and Mulcahy? Were they wrong to kill for Ireland and win freedom for 26 of its 32 counties by carrying out acts of violence, or is it just the Provisionals and thieir methods you have a problem with?

Perhaps if they resorted to peaceful methods then there would have been independence without partition like in most of the territories controlled by the British

Maybe. Bit simplistic, though, considering the British Empire over its lifetime was responsible for vastly more murder than Hitler and Stalin combined. Bit hard to sit on your hands when all that's going on, would you not agree?

Maybe....who knows...most Irish men didnt sit on their hands they went to fight for that Empire instead of fighting it

Not sure on your stats BTW could you give me a quick break down?

Give this a read:

http://worldsworstmassmurderer.blogspot.com/

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General discussion / Re: Shankill Bombing
« on: October 25, 2018, 08:44:12 PM »
I genuinely don't know where to start with this latest bile. You believe that the IRA sat bloodthirsty waiting on an opportunity to murder and terrorise their communities?

All thousands of them? I take it you'd apply that same logic to Mr Michael Collins and his 12 apostles, to Tom Barry and his flying columns or to Dan Breen in Tipperary?

Or maybe these were ordinary people upon whom an extraordinary life was thrusted? When British Paratroopers kill 14 people in Derry and commit atrocities in Ballymurphy, do you not think for a second that these type of conditions might create resistance and people wishing to fight those inflicting that pain and injustice? Or maybe these people were born bloodthirsty? When you say the IRA 'enriched' themselves of terrorised their communities, are you speaking from experience? Where do you live? Because that's not the communities that I know and that I have lived in all my life. Maybe you have been reading Ruth Dudley Edwards a bit too much from some ivory Tower. I don't know the answer to that.

But again, not one mention from you about the British... Strange that.

I literally finished my post talking about the British. I don't think getting into "look what themmuns did" is a very grown up way to conduct your argument. Let's just say we have very different views on the role of the IRA. But this narrative of they were pushed into violence by the evil British is very simplified. Republicans and Nationalists had a choice. Some or "thousands" as you put it (not verified) chose violence. I think those that didn't chose violence, did more for Ireland that anyone who shot some innocent person going about his days work or blew up a child out doing some shopping.

What do you think of the IRA of Collins, Brugha and Mulcahy? Were they wrong to kill for Ireland and win freedom for 26 of its 32 counties by carrying out acts of violence, or is it just the Provisionals and thieir methods you have a problem with?

Perhaps if they resorted to peaceful methods then there would have been independence without partition like in most of the territories controlled by the British

Maybe. Bit simplistic, though, considering the British Empire over its lifetime was responsible for vastly more murder than Hitler and Stalin combined. Bit hard to sit on your hands when all that's going on, would you not agree?

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General discussion / Re: Shankill Bombing
« on: October 25, 2018, 07:17:08 PM »
I genuinely don't know where to start with this latest bile. You believe that the IRA sat bloodthirsty waiting on an opportunity to murder and terrorise their communities?

All thousands of them? I take it you'd apply that same logic to Mr Michael Collins and his 12 apostles, to Tom Barry and his flying columns or to Dan Breen in Tipperary?

Or maybe these were ordinary people upon whom an extraordinary life was thrusted? When British Paratroopers kill 14 people in Derry and commit atrocities in Ballymurphy, do you not think for a second that these type of conditions might create resistance and people wishing to fight those inflicting that pain and injustice? Or maybe these people were born bloodthirsty? When you say the IRA 'enriched' themselves of terrorised their communities, are you speaking from experience? Where do you live? Because that's not the communities that I know and that I have lived in all my life. Maybe you have been reading Ruth Dudley Edwards a bit too much from some ivory Tower. I don't know the answer to that.

But again, not one mention from you about the British... Strange that.

I literally finished my post talking about the British. I don't think getting into "look what themmuns did" is a very grown up way to conduct your argument. Let's just say we have very different views on the role of the IRA. But this narrative of they were pushed into violence by the evil British is very simplified. Republicans and Nationalists had a choice. Some or "thousands" as you put it (not verified) chose violence. I think those that didn't chose violence, did more for Ireland that anyone who shot some innocent person going about his days work or blew up a child out doing some shopping.

What do you think of the IRA of Collins, Brugha and Mulcahy? Were they wrong to kill for Ireland and win freedom for 26 of its 32 counties by carrying out acts of violence, or is it just the Provisionals and thieir methods you have a problem with?

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 23, 2018, 04:28:04 PM »
It isn't about economics to the hardliners.

I think sf to be fair to then are better saying nothing. The dup are doing their job better than they ever could.
nail on the head
the shinners are better keeping quiet on this one

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." Napoleon

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: October 22, 2018, 09:32:15 PM »
We're heading towards a hard border. It's what the DUP always wanted, yet they will claim they didn't.

Could Dodds and company have been that clever?

Or that stupid. Hard border hastens the end of their precious union and we get our whole country back

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