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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: Today at 08:56:34 AM »
Brilliant news of the exit polls are correct

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2018
« on: May 25, 2018, 06:02:06 PM »
Armagh will be one of the toughest teams to get for any of the div 1 or 2 sides in the 1st round draw.
When it is last chance saloon a home game is huge.
Jesus if it's Armagh v tyrone would you write armagh off?
even mayo or Cavan wouldn't fancy that trip north, not in the first round anyway.

What Armagh team are you talking about? Surely not the one that just got hammered by 14 men in Enniskillen?

What Armagh team are you talking about? Surely not the 14 man Armagh team who just got beaten in Enniskillen?

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People are naming players that are missing off the panel from previous years and are just assuming that the players themselves have omitted themselves from the panel, things aren't always as they seem. KMcG needs to take a look at himself...
A lot of talk about Armagh not having the best players in the county on the pitch.  Would anyone care to name an alternative Armagh 15 that either didn't start on Saturday or are not on the panel.

Whatever about an alternative 15 the following players would be on the team in my opinion. Some are out through injury and Iím not including Jamie. James Morgan, paul Hughes, Rian and OisŪn O Neill, Decky McKenna, Mickey Murray Cullyhanna and Stefan Campbell. Thatís half a team and if those 7 were playing the team would be significantly better.

Very hard to disagree with this. You could add OíHanlon in there too

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Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. Iíd drop any half back or half forward who canít play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I donít think Tyroneís full forward line is a problem. Itís the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers.  The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. Iím growing the beard.

Never mind growing a beard you had better get a clown suit on if you think that Monaghan are a top 3 team and Tyrone will win an All Ireland again with Harte at the helm. Delusional stuff.

okay i'll bite. Who are the 3 above them on the evidence of this year. I'll give you Dublin and Kerry but that's it for the time being anyway

Galway

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Monaghan are in the top 3 teams in Ireland at the moment, and deserve more respect than even that clown Main Street gives them. They had a massive win yesterday. One move that might have won the game for Tyrone would have been petie to the full forward line when Bradley went off and r Brennan in. Iíd drop any half back or half forward who canít play a 30 pass to the full forward line or who thinks they are a better forward than Mc aliskey or Brennan. After yesterday I donít think Tyroneís full forward line is a problem. Itís the players who think they can contribute more by taking the extra solo 50 yards out.
Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland if Harte adapts and pulls in a few form players from the club scene. The super 8s will knock the shit out of. Lot of teams this year so will the qualifiers.  The most flexible manager and squad usage will do well. Smells like 08. Iím growing the beard.

I thought this was a sensible post and was agreeing with you until you said Tyrone will regroup and win the all Ireland   No ifs buts or maybes are gonna make that happen

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Also Monaghan were by far the better team and deserved to win - but Tyrone had a stone wall penalty turned down, when they had a two point lead just before half time. - could have left them 5 up at the interval.
Big moment in the game, but probably wonít get a mention.

What stonewall penalty?

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Just noticed Clare number 11 in hurling getting a yellow card for a similar tackle to the one Grimley got sent off for.

One was in play one was off the ball. May have had something to do with it

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From my own point of view, my intention to referencing the cynicism of Fermanagh was simply to present it as an observation on my part - not a complaint. Armagh last night have too many concerns of our own to worry about what others do.

Our great team of the noughties had a reputation for cynicism, but my feeling would be it was not for trash talking or feigning injury, or indeed disrupting the opposition kick-outs by pinging a second football onto the pitch. Maybe others will disagree and point to some specific incident from 2007 that totally undermines what I said. Ho hum.

The behaviour yesterday from Fermanagh was no surprise given that McMenamin is in the management team.  it would have been poor enough with Gallagher in charge but McMenamin bring things to another level, to that previously was the preserve of his Tyrone teams.

In general the squad from 1999 to 2008 played a hard game and while blocking off the running player was a tactic and not against any rule, the players with the possible exception of Marty O'Rourke didn't bother with the trash talk that was so evident yesterday from the Fermanagh team.  They have taken the feigning of injury to a level that Tyrone have set since 2003.  While Grimley was stupid in swinging his arm, Quigley, who has serious form for cheating, fell to the ground instantly holding his face. 

Owen you need to take the orange glasses off.
The 'treatment' that both Quigley brothers got yesterday was very noticeable.
I watched it and they didn't react.
Daniel Teague came off the bench and was immediately subject to the same 'treatment'.

Sean received a forearm in the face.  That's a red card.
The Armagh tackling was shocking.  Made it easy for the referee.
Armagh went out to be physical and try and bully Fermanagh.
Armagh didn't score from play after the 16th minute.
Armagh were completely cleaned around midfield as well.
That's why Armagh got beat.

Armagh were crap. We know that. Our tackling was, and has been for a long time,poor.
However, the antics of your players in regards to going down as if shot was bad and I wouldnít be happy with it. The off the ball nonsense and blocking off runs I can take as we all do it. The sledging, while not pleasant, happens all the time too but I just donít like the feigning of injury.

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[quote author=Erne Man link=topic=28631.msg1808827#msg1808827 date=15 Didnít see what happened re the sending off, but I thought McGeeney was going to clock young Grimley when he came off - so I can only assume what he did was daft.

Should not have been in the field to get sent off as management  should have had grimly subbed after about 20 mins into first half. Was having a stinker.

You aren't allowed to make 15 substitutions and there were quite a few worse than him. If Armagh are to progress they need to find more players like him. One rash moment and people would lynch a fella. If Dublin had taken that route in 2003 when Cluxton kicked McDonnell they may not have as many All Ireland's.

Agree with this. Grimley was far from the worst up until his red.
Donít get me wrong, I am not trying to lynch the fella. My perception from watching the match was that Niall was having a poor game and that a few Fermanagh scores came directly from him and was not generally involved in the game at all. Sometimes this happens to players on any given day. Could be wrong but would need to watch it again. Agree that you could have subbed any amount of boys but some of the substitutions were baffling to say the least.
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I get ye mate. Iím not saying he was having a good game, just that there were players who were having worse games. Crealy being one. He could have been subbed long before he was

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[quote author=Erne Man link=topic=28631.msg1808827#msg1808827 date=15 Didnít see what happened re the sending off, but I thought McGeeney was going to clock young Grimley when he came off - so I can only assume what he did was daft.

Should not have been in the field to get sent off as management  should have had grimly subbed after about 20 mins into first half. Was having a stinker.

You aren't allowed to make 15 substitutions and there were quite a few worse than him. If Armagh are to progress they need to find more players like him. One rash moment and people would lynch a fella. If Dublin had taken that route in 2003 when Cluxton kicked McDonnell they may not have as many All Ireland's.
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Agree with this. Grimley was far from the worst up until his red.

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Fermanagh were worthy winners. They were better from 1-15 and on the sideline. Iíd be disappointed with the antics of some of your players good my down as if they had been shot fairly regularly.
What did Grimley do? I missed it myself

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Can someone post up the match stream link.

You donít want it up. Brutal

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Point was def wide on tv

Cheers. Iím at the opposite end of pitch and couldnít see it. Only went on why the umpires gave

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Fermanagh the better team and should be more in front but why did the red disallow a point the umpires gave? Also, that was a poor dive by Quigley at the end and the ref bought it. Armagh need a massive improvement

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Losing the home game is not for players missing club games in April, itís for the training camp

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