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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??

« on: September 21, 2018, 09:36:20 PM »

Because hard work and talent has nothing to do with it

54 titles since 2005 in all grades and levels. 14 in the previous 13 years. And it just so happened that the enormous funding disparity begun 13 years ago. Some sort of freak coincidence or instringently linked? Let's get real here. It's all bought. I haven't even added in the club titles for clubs in Dublin, it's gone up from 4 to 17 in the past 13 years compared to the 13 before.
I'd like a good laugh so can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for the huge increase in titles since 2005 which coincided with the huge increase in funding for Dublin GAA?

So you think hard work and talent have no bearing on this at all? And cut the bought titles shite will ye

I have no problem whatever with your question but you follow up is a bit iffy. It takes hard work and training to win titles of any sort and having talented young players helps a lot too. But all that is not the full story, as some Dubs claim.
I mean why does a side full of talented players need to train harder than any other county when there are plenty of talented players available?  A second string Dub side would probably beat any other team in the country.
Is the reason why they can train harder and  for longer because they don’t have to travel long distance to their training grounds?
That’s the usual answer you’ll get from Dublin supporters here. However, that’s not the full story.  The Dublin clubs are structured in a way that’s biased towards the gifted players.
The way they operate can be compared to a pyramid- scores, maybe hundreds, of young players but only be one senior side at the top.
All sorts of field sports have a wastage rate when players drop out as they get older but the bigger the club, the more that leave is because there are no places for them as they move up the age levels.
In other words, some leave because they want to but many leave because they have to.
As Hound pointed out, the standard of Dublin club football is very high. It couldn’t be otherwise as only the better ones are kept as the players move up a grade.
As well as that they have an excellent scouting system where gifted players are spotted at an early stage of their careers are discovered and get extra coaching to develop their talent long before they get to player in adult competitions.
No wonder Dublin has so many youngsters pressing inclusion on the senior panel. That means in turn that those already on the team are always in fear of losing their places if they don’t train hard.
While their operate the megaclub system, Dublin will never be short of players who work hard and of talented younger ones trying to knock them out of their way.

The point of my follow up is that Procey seemingly discounts hard work and talent from contributing to the success of this Dublin team. Do I think the money they get is unfair? I do. Does money automatically guarantee success ? It doesn’t. Is it the sole reason for Dublin’s success? Certainly not

You make good points regarding travel and what not and Dublin undoubtedly have other natural advantages over other counties. We can’t be blaming them for that tho can we?

have no problem whatever with what you say. But as an old says goes, the devil is in the detail.
I accept that Dublin footballers have an incredible work ethos and train harder and longer than any other team in the land. I’d do the same if I was a Dublin panellist, knowing damn well that my next game could be my last.
Like I  said, the Dublin club structure is designed to discover and develop the more talented players from an early age up to the highest level they can possibly get to. It’s like sifting wheat from chaff as their country cousins might put it. The chaff, the less talented players, get cast aside.
That means that there are plenty of top class club players who’d get a place on most other intercounty teams but will never get close to a place on the Dub panel.
It’s alright saying that Dublin panellists train very hard but the impression that they do all their hoofing about at the Fingallians club grounds is wide of the mark.
About a fortnight ago, a controversy erupted when the Dublin team management announced it was removing s the “advanced training machinery” that that had been left with the National Sports Complex in Abbotstown. What bugs me a little is this: the machinery was taken back when the Dubs couldn’t use it any time they wanted to.
They have hardly moved this gear out to Fingallians so where is it now and what use is it to the Dub footballers? Their training regime is a bit more complicated that you might think from what Dub fans here are saying.
I say, deal with a full deck or put the cards away.There’s no point in half telling the truth.
My main gripe with the Dubs is that their club  system is totally unsuited when it comes to widening their playing and support base.
If you were to take a typical Dublin club and split it in two, one immediate advantage is that twice as many players could make it to the highest level possible - senior team for many.  Twice as many players would stay on until they would be assets to the club- volunteer work, fundraising socialising etc.
The massive subventions of funds those clubs need to stay in operation is an indication that all is not well at club level and never will be as long as you have, say, one club to cater for a population the entire size of some other counties.
THe irony is that much of the money GAA HQ does out to counties for development come for the gate receipts the Dubs generate every time they play.
They are attractive to watch and the association needs the Dubs for the colour and excitement that follows them and the money they earn for th association.
So, I know we need the Dubs in top order for the good of the entire association. But the downside is that you also need a few other teams capable of holding their own with the Dubs.
Few people would be prepared to pay premium prices to go see the Dubs wipe the floor with the opposition.
All present indications would show that this isn’t going to happen. It’s way of avoiding meltdown by ignoring it and that can only be a short term measure.

I don’t know much, if anything, about their club system so you have me there. I don’t see any reason for you to make it up so I’m if the impression things aren’t great going by what you say.
I know it’s not fair that the dubs got all this money from the GAA but re I genius to say that’s the only reason they are successful. That’s my only point. Would they be as successful? We won’t know. What I am certain of is that crop of players would have come through regardless. The nucleus of the team.
That’s my only argument here. Now, im gonna bask in the glory of the imminent return to the Armagh panel of a certain Crossmaglen native who is also a lover of coffee.
Your posts are great by the way. Very informative without the needless talking down and name calling of so many others on here

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??

« on: September 21, 2018, 04:30:24 PM »

My answer was in the question I asked you which you are unwilling or unable to answer. FWIW I’m not from Dublin and yes I think the money they got is unfair but it is stupid to put that down as the sole reason for their success

Oh, and syf complaining about WUM accounts is really funny

The answer to your question is this part:

Senior footballers moved from a top 8 team to unbeatable, hurlers went from minnows to provincial champions and All Ireland contenders, underage results went from hopeless to dominant, again all bought.

The money has brought huge change. Dublin would not have won any of the 6 recent All Ireland's without the conveyor belt of talent who came through the system. You can't underestimate it. As I've been pointing out, the footballers get all the headlines but the improvements in other areas like hurling, underage and club is just as huge.

You know a lot more about it than me. I will give you that. However, I’m gonna have to disagree with you. The money helped. That’s for sure. But money does not give that Dublin team the desire they have to win. It does not give them their work ethic and it certainly doesn’t give them the natural talent that a lot of their players have

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??

« on: September 21, 2018, 03:24:06 PM »

Because hard work and talent has nothing to do with it

54 titles since 2005 in all grades and levels. 14 in the previous 13 years. And it just so happened that the enormous funding disparity begun 13 years ago. Some sort of freak coincidence or instringently linked? Let's get real here. It's all bought. I haven't even added in the club titles for clubs in Dublin, it's gone up from 4 to 17 in the past 13 years compared to the 13 before.
I'd like a good laugh so can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for the huge increase in titles since 2005 which coincided with the huge increase in funding for Dublin GAA?

So you think hard work and talent have no bearing on this at all? And cut the bought titles shite will ye

I have no problem whatever with your question but you follow up is a bit iffy. It takes hard work and training to win titles of any sort and having talented young players helps a lot too. But all that is not the full story, as some Dubs claim.
I mean why does a side full of talented players need to train harder than any other county when there are plenty of talented players available?  A second string Dub side would probably beat any other team in the country.
Is the reason why they can train harder and  for longer because they don’t have to travel long distance to their training grounds?
That’s the usual answer you’ll get from Dublin supporters here. However, that’s not the full story.  The Dublin clubs are structured in a way that’s biased towards the gifted players.
The way they operate can be compared to a pyramid- scores, maybe hundreds, of young players but only be one senior side at the top.
All sorts of field sports have a wastage rate when players drop out as they get older but the bigger the club, the more that leave is because there are no places for them as they move up the age levels.
In other words, some leave because they want to but many leave because they have to.
As Hound pointed out, the standard of Dublin club football is very high. It couldn’t be otherwise as only the better ones are kept as the players move up a grade.
As well as that they have an excellent scouting system where gifted players are spotted at an early stage of their careers are discovered and get extra coaching to develop their talent long before they get to player in adult competitions.
No wonder Dublin has so many youngsters pressing inclusion on the senior panel. That means in turn that those already on the team are always in fear of losing their places if they don’t train hard.
While their operate the megaclub system, Dublin will never be short of players who work hard and of talented younger ones trying to knock them out of their way.

The point of my follow up is that Procey seemingly discounts hard work and talent from contributing to the success of this Dublin team. Do I think the money they get is unfair? I do. Does money automatically guarantee success ? It doesn’t. Is it the sole reason for Dublin’s success? Certainly not

You make good points regarding travel and what not and Dublin undoubtedly have other natural advantages over other counties. We can’t be blaming them for that tho can we?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??

« on: September 21, 2018, 03:18:50 PM »

Ah go on, add em up. You love them tables. I'd have thought you'd have one done already. I used your original one to make a screensaver for my computer. Thanks for that. Club titles not as impressive a screensaver. But I'm sure it'll still look good.

Jesus I don’t like seeing the dubs win as much as the next man but to put the whole thing down to money is ignorance at its finest. There are a lot more factors at play than just money. Population, commitment, facilities and management. They have clearly utilised all these factors and are at a clear advantage for doing so but how do we combat all those things? Start by matching the standard set by them for those other factors and the money may not even matter.

So you think hard work and talent have no bearing on this at all? And cut the bought titles shite will ye

Wasting your breath on these guys Tonto, multiple threads on the Dubs, they are more obsessed with Dublin than their own team or clubs.

I stated before, people always hated the Dubs, now its gone up 10 fold since the senior footballers have  a good team, which is only a small part of Dublin GAA.

Could you imagine if or when the  Hurlers win an All Ireland, there will be marches through the streets, or fields in some cases.

Long may it continue.

4 posters couldn't even attempt to answer the question! Here it is again:

Can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for the huge increase in titles since 2005 which coincided with the huge increase in funding for Dublin GAA?

Go on, give it a go!

My answer was in the question I asked you which you are unwilling or unable to answer. FWIW I’m not from Dublin and yes I think the money they got is unfair but it is stupid to put that down as the sole reason for their success

Oh, and syf complaining about WUM accounts is really funny

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh

« on: September 21, 2018, 01:29:05 PM »

What was Conor Meylers contribution that was so tellin?

I’m amongst a lot of swearing he said it was deliberate

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GAA Discussion / Re: What were your highlights from this year’s all Ireland championship ?

« on: September 20, 2018, 07:53:32 PM »

Our comeback against Clare. Despite the result our game against Roscommon. Clifford. All the crying after Dublin won another AI

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh

« on: September 20, 2018, 07:51:13 PM »

I think Conor Meyler's assessment of the incident was telling.

Why is his more telling than anyone else’s

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??

« on: September 20, 2018, 09:05:56 AM »

Because hard work and talent has nothing to do with it

54 titles since 2005 in all grades and levels. 14 in the previous 13 years. And it just so happened that the enormous funding disparity begun 13 years ago. Some sort of freak coincidence or instringently linked? Let's get real here. It's all bought. I haven't even added in the club titles for clubs in Dublin, it's gone up from 4 to 17 in the past 13 years compared to the 13 before.
I'd like a good laugh so can anyone come up with a reasonable explanation for the huge increase in titles since 2005 which coincided with the huge increase in funding for Dublin GAA?

So you think hard work and talent have no bearing on this at all? And cut the bought titles shite will ye

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are Posters obsessed about Dublin GAA??

« on: September 19, 2018, 06:19:53 PM »

No problem, it's a table that shows clearly what money can buy. It really is startling the change from 14 titles to 54. It's also a good reminder for all the Dubs who start celebrating their trophies and then boom! They remember they've been bought them all.

Because hard work and talent has nothing to do with it

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GAA Discussion / Re: Violence in Adult Club Football

« on: September 18, 2018, 12:38:26 PM »

Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday.  Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents.  Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident.

For me the problem is highlighted in Rudi's post above. He's listened to how this all has been reported and has it in his mind that there was ugly scenes in the Moy v Edendork game that warrants both teams kicked out. He seems to be of the opinion that there was a full scale brawl in that game and that both teams should be kicked out of the championship (The fact that there wasn't a brawl would tend to lean me towards the conclusion that incident was an accident) Like how does someone arrive at the view that a bad tackle by one player should result in both teams being kicked out? I'm not blaming Rudi here but somehow, in the way this has been reported an unfair picture has been painted of  that game in its entirety. Yes, there was sending offs and bad tackles but because a high profile player has been injured following on from a fight in a different game we have a scenario were every game is viewed through the lens of being "ugly". The Tyrone championship is one of the best in the country, 7 different winners in 7 years I think it was, the most competitive in the country where every team thinks they have a chance of progressing. Plus its do or die knock out after a summer sitting waiting for it to start. I'd recommend everyone who is hand wringing to go along and watch a game... you never know, you might just enjoy it.

In fairness to Rudi he may have been getting games mixed up

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GAA Discussion / Re: Violence in Adult Club Football

« on: September 18, 2018, 12:36:32 PM »

That’s an aside MacDonald.

But seeing as you’ve just reinforced your stance with a maxim that “anything goes”, I’m just not sure where you’d draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.

I wouldn’t like to be your dog or your missus after you’ve had a few, that’s for sure.

So now I'm a wife beating, dog hitting alcoholic?? Wow wobbler.

No. You’re someone who openly welcomes violent acts on a football field. That’s all we know for sure. Everything else is me just wondering out loud about whether it’s a continual theme in your life, or if you’ve managed to confine it to GAA matches

No. You openly insinuated that he would beat his wife or dog after a few drinks. It was a terrible post.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh

« on: September 17, 2018, 06:13:40 PM »

Here comes the persecution complex.
Surprised it took this long.

He's bang on.

Where was the persecution complex?
You obviously have the mindset that Tyrone have that complex so you just roll out that line when you don't want or can't counter
 

I would imagine he means the last paragraph. And he would be right

FFS he was rebuffing a point that he had made there was no inferiority complex unless he was looking to set it up himself as a way out of the discussion

If I said that the popularity of Buckfast in Armagh was down to it being such a dire shithole would you just let the point go?

The popularity of buckfast in Armagh is because we have good taste. Armagh being a shithole has nothing to do with t

I assumed yer mans problem with Jinxys post was the in your neck of the wooods bit. Maybe I was wrong

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh

« on: September 17, 2018, 04:53:10 PM »

Here comes the persecution complex.
Surprised it took this long.

He's bang on.

Where was the persecution complex?
You obviously have the mindset that Tyrone have that complex so you just roll out that line when you don't want or can't counter
 

I would imagine he means the last paragraph. And he would be right

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time to Split Dublin

« on: September 17, 2018, 12:36:13 PM »

Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.

I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)

Dublin County and Dublin County Football team existed before the creation of these administrative areas. So neither can be considered an amalgamation 4 counties and it is moronic and/or intellectually dishonest to say that they are.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread

They aren't 'administrative areas'. They're counties. This game is inter-county. Getit? Good.

So 32 county Ireland is a lie?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh

« on: September 16, 2018, 10:45:17 PM »

Its sensationalised bullshit

Best post on here.
Cavanagh is a self serving, egocentric Micky Harte wannabe.
Plays the poor wee me card looking to portray the sensitivity that gains him a reputation of a nice fella.....all the while publicising a book. Realistically people want to hear what he thinks of Harte and its very hypocritical of him lambasting Harte now when he was his biggest supporter when playing. To me this speaks volumes as to the type of character he is.

Some of this may be true but it doesn’t excuse the brutality inflicted on Cavanagh. Whatever you think of Cavanagh he was never a dirty player and from what I hear it was definitely not an accident.

There’s a few reasons going round. I have heard it was an accident and that it wasn’t. Someone said there’s a video, has anyone seen it