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GAA Discussion / Re: Rossies v Tyrone Hyde Park 13th July 5pm.
« on: July 14, 2019, 12:41:00 PM »
Thought Coldrick had a decent enough game made a few mistakes, (what ref doesn't over the course of 70+mins) a couple of the yellows were harsh, but I would still agree that they were frees. He missed a couple of frees on both sides, but wouldn't agree that he rode either side.

The challenges by McDonnell and Cavanagh both looked awkward from the refs point of view. As someone said early Cregg hit his head off the ground after the challenge by McDonnell which probably did more damage than the hit.

Tyrone were clearly the better side from the off and never looked like they were going to be troubled. Bit like Dublin in the second game. Got scores easier and definitely had another gear in them.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rossies v Tyrone Hyde Park 13th July 5pm.
« on: July 13, 2019, 06:07:04 PM »
Attendance: 14,465

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
« on: July 07, 2019, 11:29:43 AM »

Didn't see what Hartes black card was for,  was it harsh?


Seems like he was pinged for a trip. Similar to his previous black card against Donegal (open to correction on that).

To me Harte's technique is to plant his foot in front of the opposition player then follow with the shoulder charge. Nothing wrong with that unless it's misjudged (timing or speed or movement of attacker) and to the ref it looks like he has deliberately stuck his leg across attacking player and tripping him. Fully expect him to be playing next week.

Not sure how the linesman missed the challenge by McVeety. And a couple of yellows could have been blacks. The Cavan corner back ploughing straight into the Tyrone man on the sideline. Another ref could have deemed Cavanaghs challenge to be a black card.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Cavan v Tyrone - 5pm, Clones, Sat 6th July
« on: July 06, 2019, 05:56:36 PM »
Cavan look like a side that want to avoid getting a couple of hammerings in the Super 8s. Hard to judge where Tyrone are at based on the last 3 performances, neither Longford, Kildare or Cavan have put up much resistance.

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General discussion / Re: The Official Tennis Thread
« on: June 28, 2019, 01:12:42 PM »
During the French Open I had look at their respective records, and scribbled a few things down just to compare the Big 3.*
Federer had won 5 Slams in 2 years, reached 10 in 4yrs, then 15 in 6yrs and finally 20 in 15yrs.
Nadal had won 5 Slams in 4 years, reached 10 in 7yrs, then 15 in 13yrs and finally 18 in 14yrs.
Djokovic had won 5 Slams in 5 years, reaching 10 in 8yrs, then 11 in years.

Also had a look at the Grand Slam champions since Federers first - Wimbledon 2003. Since then the 3 lads have amassed 53 (inc Federers first) title.  Other winners since then include:
(Only won one)
Andy Roddick - US Open
Gaston Gaudio- French
Marat Safin - Aus
JM Del Potro - US
Marin Cilic - US

The only players to win multiple titles since Wimbledon 2003 are Wawrinka with 3 titles (Aus, French, US) and Murray with 3 titles (2 Wimbledon, 1 US)

Had a look then at the previous 17years (not sure why I landed on 17years)
Multiple grand slam winners include:
Becker (5) Lendl (5) Edberg (5) Wilander (3) Sampras (14) Courier (4) Brugera (2) Kuerten (3) Kafelnikov (2) Agassi (8) Hewitt (2) Rafter (2)

Single Grand slam winners
Cash, Chang, Gomez, Stich, Muster, Krajicek, Korda, Moya, Johannssen, Costa, Ferrero, Ivanisevic.

Certainly seemed more open in terms of winners, with some of those names only good for answers on Pointless.

There endeth my scribbles.
*Might not be 100% accurate - difficulty reading my own hand writing  ???

As for comparing who gets to the Grand Slam finals, it could be  pointed out that:

Wawrinka has won the French open, but has yet to make it past Wimbledon QF's
Thiem has made the last two French open final, but has yet to make it past Wimbledon R4
Ferrer another French Open finalist, didn't get past Wimbledon QF
Soderling, twice a French Open finalist, didn't get past Wimbledon QF

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 26, 2019, 08:46:23 AM »
Looking at the back page of the Irish News. It looks like Derry cannot afford what they have already, never mind forking out the big bucks for O'Rourke.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: June 23, 2019, 03:25:45 PM »
Listened to the game on the radio. Couple of things stood out at the start of the second half. One was the three handy frees given away which handed Laois the initiative, second was the fact that on at least three/four occasions on the Derry kickout the commentary mentioned the fact that there was 2 balls on the pitch, which slowed things down. Was this a deliberate act? Just like the member of the Kildare management last year standing on the pitch for Derry's kickouts.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: June 06, 2019, 10:26:38 AM »
Most Counties have group stages in their County Championships.

Mores the pity.

Derry club football introduced the round robin group stage in 2007 for the county championship, it lasted two years.  They moved to a back door system, that lasted 6/7 years, and then they returned back to the straight knock out a couple of years ago.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: June 05, 2019, 10:23:41 AM »
Highlights from the game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=228&v=_-Vrkc5OZhA

Very brief highlights, so its hard to tell, but it doesn't look like Ireland were playing expansive rugby, seems like a similar approach to the senior side.
Some very quick thinking for Ireland's second try.
Neither of the two England yellow cards are shown, but the replacement prop can have no complaints about the red.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 28, 2019, 12:48:11 PM »
Are these the only 3 C'ship encounters that we have had with Wexford or have I missed any?

2003 R1 Qualifier.

Wexford 0-9 - 3-10 Derry Wexford Park,

Wexford:
M Forde 0-5, R Barry 0-1, L O’Brien 0-1, J Hudson 0-1, J Hegarty 0-1. 
Derry:
A Tohill 1-3, E Muldoon 1-0, D Dougan 1-0, P Bradley 0-2, SM Lockhart 0-1, D Crozier 0-1, G McGonagle 0-1, J McBride 0-1, M Harney 0-1.


2004 R3 Qualifier

Derry 2-16 Wexford 2-05

SCORERS -

Derry: P Bradley 0-8 (3f), E Muldoon 1-5 (3f), D McIvor 1-0, J Donaghy, J McBride, C Gilligan 0-1 each.
Wexford: M Forde 1-4 (3f), P Colfer 1-0, J Hudson 0-1.

Derry: B Gillis; K McGuckin, N McCusker, G O'Kane; F McEldowney, P McFlynn, P Kelly; F Doherty, P Bradley; J Donaghy, J McBride, C Moran; J Bradley, P Bradley, E Muldoon. Subs: S Lockhart for Kelly, 46mins; C Gilligan for Donaghy, 51mins; D McIvor for J Bradley, 51mins; E Burke for Muldoon, 67 mins; P O'Kane for McGuckin, 67mins.

Wexford: J Cooper; P Curtis, P Wallace, N Murphy; D Breen, D Murphy, L O'Brien; P Colfer, W Carley; J Hudson, P Forde, D Fogarty; J Lawlor, R Barry, M Forde. Subs: J D'Arcy for P Forde, 30mins; K Kennedy for Hudson, h/t; D Kinsella for Carley, h/t; G Sunderland for O'Brien, 46mins; J Hegarty for Lawlor, 65 mins.

2015 R2b Qualifier.

Derry 1-19 Wexford 0-10

DERRY: T Mallon; O Duffy, C McKaigue, D McBride; L McGoldrick, B Rogers, SL McGoldrick; N Holly, F Doherty; B Heron, M Lynch, E Lynn; D Heavron, E Bradley, C O’Boyle. #

Subs: T O’Brien for Doherty (60), K McKaigue for Rogers (60), C McAtamney for Lynn (66), C Murphy for E Bradley (67).

WEXFORD: A Masterson; R Tierney, N Rossiter, J Wadding; S Donohoe, G Molloy, A Flynn (0-1); S Byrne, B Malone (own goal, 1-0); T Rossiter, B Brosnan (0-3f), K Butler; C Lyng (0-5, 0-2f), M O’Regan, K O’Grady.

Subs: J Breen for Wadding (HT), E Nolan (0-1) for Byrne (HT), C Kehoe for Malone (HT), J Tubritt for O’Grady (61), P Byrne for O’Regan (61).


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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: May 26, 2019, 09:52:30 AM »
I was embarrassed for Antrim last night. It's not the players fault that they are so inferior but their county board and then GAA for making them play the match. No one who watched that night can make an argument for the status quo and not have their mental stability questioned.
Where do you cut it off? Roscommon got the trunks skelped off them in the super 8s last year. Tyrone beat them by more than they beat us. Where do you put Roscommon?
Dublin annihilate everybody. Where do you put them?

Tankings have always happened. What odds?
Agreed.
Even if it was tiered, hammerings will still happen.

This century we’ve had 9pt, 8pt, 12pt, and 10pt victories in All-Ireland finals.

In the last 10yrs there have been victories in the Quarter Finals / Super 8 of 10pts, 22pts, 14pts, 18pts, 9pts, 10pts, 27pts, 8pts, 15pts, 19pts, 13pts, 18pts, 13pts, 8pts, 9pts, 13pts and 17pts

In the Semi-Finals there have been hammerings of 12pts, 9pts and 9pts.

If this board was around in the 1970’s / 80’s.  Some would be discussing whether or not to allow Ulster sides compete in the All-Ireland competition.  As an extension,  they would suggest that Leinster and Munster should compete for Sam, and Connacht and Ulster should compete in a second tier.

Even if we look at league standings - over the last 5 years the two teams that have finished bottom of Div 1 [teams that would be considered to be Top 8] have a grand total of 10 victories from 70 matches. Cork own 3 of those from the 2016 league.

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: May 16, 2019, 10:28:43 AM »
As I survey the debris this morning, one of the things that is particularly galling is the kudos being given to Frank for his inspirational management. I'm convinced their victory was utterly dependent on the hari-kari committed by the Leeds defence rather than Frank's management.

I'd agree with that. The brain fart from the keeper just before half time, was the turning point.  He almost repeated it a couple of minutes later.
As for Frank's management, going on the attack, when you need to score goals and win the game is hardly rocket science.

Anyway the big game is at Fratton Park this evening.

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General discussion / Re: Game of Thrones - Spoilers
« on: May 13, 2019, 03:30:27 AM »
That episode was a bit mental... They are struggling without the source material and are doing a very poor job of finishing out this season. The deaths of some characters are very rushed and haven't been thought out at all. Would have made more sense to kill them in the Battle of Winterfell.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 09, 2019, 03:03:53 PM »
We conceded 12 goals against division 4 teams, which if memory serves me right was the highest number of goals conceded by any team across the 4 divisions. This has been an ongoing problem for a number of years and it does not appear to be a problem that Maccers is able to resolve unfortunately as his teams have always tended to be wide open down the middle. There does not seem to be an awareness amongst our players about the importance of closing off space in the scoring zone and that naivety if it persists will be our undoing.

We need to aim to keep Tyrone to c. 13 points all in to have a chance to win this game, if we continue to play to the same system as we have been throughout the league, Tyrone will win pulling up as they have done in the last couple of outings.

Couple of points.
1. I only count 9 goals conceded, and
2. Sligo (15), Wexford (14), Roscommon (10) Offaly (9) also shipped a lot of goals. Same for Monaghan, Armagh, Cork, Tipperary (all conceded 8 )

The following teams scored goals against Derry:
Antrim 1
London 1
Waterford 1
Limerick 1
Leitrim 1
Wexford 4*

If we take the Wexford game out of the equation as it was played in a carnival like matter, the goals conceded column looks a lot better.  Granted, Derry really shouldn't be conceding as many goals against any of these sides, but its not as terrible as you have stated.  I think its in the Irish News today, that without that game the average scored Derry conceded was 1-09.

On the plus side Derry scored 10-100 during the league. Top scorers across all the leagues, and 3rd top in the goal scoring chart. They also have the top points difference across all the leagues.
Again if we take out the game against Wexford, our scoring takes a hit, but still close to the top in terms of points difference and scores.

With all that being said I think we will do well to keep the defeat in single figures.  It'll probably be a decent contest until 55mins, then space will really start to open up, Tyrone will empty the bench with lads who are itching to get a start in the next round, and they will start racking up the points.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: May 08, 2019, 11:23:42 AM »
Origi has come a long way since this headline.

Liverpool striker Divock Origi named in Ligue 1 worst team of the season

Liverpool’s Divock Origi, the Belgium striker on loan at Lille, has had the dubious honour of being named in L’Equipe’s Ligue 1 worst team of the season.

Liverpool paid £10m for Origi last summer after a breakthrough season in Ligue 1 and a series of impressive performances at the World Cup but allowed him to stay at Lille in order to further his development.

Origi has scored only eight goals in 33 Ligue 1 appearances, which included a 20-game goal drought between October and March.

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