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They're got rats big as cats, they've got diggers for goldhttps://mobile.twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/1331733925153091585
I see the English are over 1986 anyway.
That is mental. Rats the size of cats?!
Why does anyone buy those filthy rags?
Other than them being from South America, at their respective peaks in the late 1980s and having rivetting documentaries about them made by Asif Kapadia, they aren't really comparableDiego existed far and away above anything so trivial as football
He is best looked at as an other worldly liberator of whole peoples
Their entire existence, their entire sense of themselves was validated by him
This is not an exaggeration in any sense - this is genuinely how he made the peoples of Argentina and of Naples feel
In a world sense and in a non football sense, only the likes of Mandela, Martin Luther King and Gandhi had this sort of effect
In history and legend, what he did for Argentina in those four minutes in 1986 was like what Moses did for the Israelites
He was the chosen one
Senna was the Brazilian equivalent.
Sorry but Maradona not GOAT. Messi for me.
Fergal Logan and Brian Dooher the new Tyrone managers.Who's Art and who's Eugene?
They have big boots to fill. It’s not going to be easy for them with only one shoe each.
The 2000s had seven different finalists and four different winners - the exact same as the 2010s and the 1970sin the 90s how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now
8 different winners.
11 different finalists.
The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.
Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
The crux of the domination is people who aren't playing and have no interest in playing for Dublin, or playing Gaelic Games at all?How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": “they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It’s possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I’m not so sure.
As I’ve probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects
Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare
But of course Sid. It’s only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. You’ll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.
Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
That’s the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.
Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.
It’s economic more than sport.
You gave the exact answer I expected you to giveWhether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevantYou might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie ABut Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.
That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.
We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.
You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
In the Scottish Premier League and Serie A, teams have won nine in a row and yet you are huge fans of these leagues and desperate for Celtic to win 10 in a row against the might of Caley Thistle and Hamilton Accies, and, apparently, a club which has only existed since 2012 and has never won anything of note - at least say Celtic supporters
This does not compute
As was pre-empted. You're trying to muddy the waters and deflect. This isn't a thread about association football, Celtic or Scottish football.
Why are you doing this? Because you support capitalist greed.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": “they were brilliant, and they were fools."
It’s possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.
History will probably say it was the money but I’m not so sure.
As I’ve probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.
Demographics.
TG4's viewing figures and the spectators at Croke Park increased hugely while Cork were winning 11 of 12 ladies' All-IrelandsThat's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
Galway won four between 2002 and 2013
Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002
Clare won four from 2009 to 2014
The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013
It's an inexact science
Somebody mentioned ladies' football
Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up
Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product. #Facepalm
As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": “they were brilliant, and they were fools."
Whether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevantYou might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie ABut Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented
In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it
When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million
This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be
If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare
Ah here, we're not thick.
Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.
But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.
Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
It has existed before
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
But this is not the case
I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points
Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.
No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented
As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster
Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row
This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin
If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do
You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.
That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.
We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.
You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
A brilliant player forever wrapped up in the memory of 1986. That brilliant goal against England and his tour de force against Belgium in the semi. It was his tournament. The greatest I've seen. His genius, charisma, his troubled personal life and his humble origins endeared him to the Neapolitans in a way that few if any others have managed at any club. RIP DiegoLiterally nobody in the world of sport, maybe even outside sport, has been or ever will be worshipped unconditionally in the way Maradona was and is
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s
Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.
They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.
Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
I was being sarcasticYou've obviously thought very deeply about this
If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split
Dublin GAA and their supporters would do well to remember that it will be the other 31 counties deciding their fate.
I can definitely see a scenario where the rest of the GAA give Dublin the option of being split in 5/6/7/8 and if they don't accept the split being kicked out of the senior championsip.
Because I believe the current structure is wholly unfair and massively damaging to the GAA.
Dublin are around the ninth best team in hurlingAnd one Leinster senior title is their lot, with another one not looking to be on the horizonDon’t forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure they’re on for 4 in a row this year.
But I suppose that’s also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)
The U21 hurlers have also won 4 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 43 years prior to 2007 they had won 2.
The minor hurlers have won 5 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 79 year prior to 2007 they had won 11.
The previous Leinster senior title Dublin won was in 1961. [There was no Galway in Leinster back then]
There's also the first and second All-Ireland club hurling titles won by Cuala.
Dublin hurling has never been stronger and with the huge underage numbers being tutored by the 70 coaches employed by Dublin GAA it's only a matter of time before Dublin starts picking up more hurling titles.
