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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: Today at 12:48:09 AM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/1331733925153091585

I see the English are over 1986 anyway.

That is mental. Rats the size of cats?!

Why does anyone buy those filthy rags?
They're got rats big as cats, they've got diggers for gold
When the red tops go through ya, 'tis no place to be bold
You scored with your hand, now you've taken your leave
But the horrible tabloids are howling with glee


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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: Today at 12:13:48 AM »
Diego existed far and away above anything so trivial as football

He is best looked at as an other worldly liberator of whole peoples

Their entire existence, their entire sense of themselves was validated by him

This is not an exaggeration in any sense - this is genuinely how he made the peoples of Argentina and of Naples feel

In a world sense and in a non football sense, only the likes of Mandela, Martin Luther King and Gandhi had this sort of effect

In history and legend, what he did for Argentina in those four minutes in 1986 was like what Moses did for the Israelites

He was the chosen one

Senna was the Brazilian equivalent.

Sorry but Maradona not GOAT. Messi for me.
Other than them being from South America, at their respective peaks in the late 1980s and having rivetting documentaries about them made by Asif Kapadia, they aren't really comparable

Senna was a big star and I can still vividly remember the day he died - I saw the crash on telly, then I was on the Canal End at Croke Park for Meath v Armagh and afterwards heard he had died from the radio in my granny's house near Croke Park

It was a massive shock and I've still never been as shocked by any death

But in a way the legend of Senna was made by his early and shocking death

Motor racing and football are different worlds, motor racing is a rich man's game, football is the game of the people, at least it still was in the 1980s

Maradona came from a shanty town, the poorest of the poor

He produced moments which stand out as other worldly, moments of pure human perfection, in a context which made them even more perfect

Nobody can compare

Messi is a true great, but what he lacks is the personality of Maradona

Luis Suarez has a similar personality to Maradona

If Messi had the personality of Luis Suarez, you would have something approaching Maradona, the total package

If Messi had the personality of Luis Suarez, Argentina would have won the 2014 World Cup

Maradona elevated those around him - they believed they were going into battle with an unbeatable general who was also in the trenches with them, doing the most fighting

Messi, great as he is, doesn't have that


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GAA Discussion / Re: Micky Harte & Tyrone part their ways!!!
« on: November 25, 2020, 11:01:30 PM »
Fergal Logan and Brian Dooher the new Tyrone managers.

They have big boots to fill. Itís not going to be easy for them with only one shoe each.
Who's Art and who's Eugene?

Or who's Evans and who's Houllier?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 09:59:19 PM »
in the 90s  how many teams could u say had a legitimate chance of winning all ireland compared to now

8 different winners.
11 different finalists.

The highest winning margin I believe was 4 points, so 11 teams had a legitimate chance.

Plus, Roscommon, Offaly, Clare, Cavan got to semi finals, losing only by a few points each.
The 2000s had seven different finalists and four different winners - the exact same as the 2010s and the 1970s

1969-1990 had just five different winners

Cavan and Tipperary have already reached semi-finals in the 2020s

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 09:40:17 PM »

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up

Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points  to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product.  #Facepalm

As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": ďthey were brilliant, and they were fools."

Itís possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.

History will probably say it was the money but Iím not so sure.

As Iíve probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

Demographics.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?

I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects

Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare

But of course Sid. Itís only Dublin where the new population increase is all foreign immigrants. Youíll never see a black person or polish person in Kildare. We actually only allow people in who can trace their lineage to an all Ireland winner.

Key point.. Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

Thatís the crux of the domination. The funding has a affect but is largely a red herring.

Culchies moving to Dublins suburbs after getting work in Dublin and taking their traditions of GAA with them.

Itís economic more than sport.
The crux of the domination is people who aren't playing and have no interest in playing for Dublin, or playing Gaelic Games at all?

How so?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 09:35:12 PM »

In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it

When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million

This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be

If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare

Ah here, we're not thick.

Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.

But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.

Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented

It has existed before

If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split

But this is not the case

I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points

Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.

No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented


As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A

You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster

Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row

This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin

If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do

You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.

That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.

We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.

You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
Whether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevant

In the Scottish Premier League and Serie A, teams have won nine in a row and yet you are huge fans of these leagues and desperate for Celtic to win 10 in a row against the might of Caley Thistle and Hamilton Accies, and, apparently, a club which has only existed since 2012 and has never won anything of note - at least say Celtic supporters

This does not compute

As was pre-empted. You're trying to muddy the waters and deflect. This isn't a thread about association football, Celtic or Scottish football.

Why are you doing this? Because you support capitalist greed.
You gave the exact answer I expected you to give

A pig ignorant grunt

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:42:00 PM »

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up

Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points  to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product.  #Facepalm

As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": ďthey were brilliant, and they were fools."

Itís possible this would have happened without the money. Dublin are Barcelona, Milan, Munich. The rest are IFK Gothenburg, Basel, Bruges.

History will probably say it was the money but Iím not so sure.

As Iíve probably said before, Dublins population INCREASE since 1990 is larger than the present TOTAL population of Kildare or Meath.

Demographics.
How many of this population increase are eligible to play for Dublin?

I don't think Wayne from Basildon who is living in Dublin and fixing Sky boxes for a living, or Deepak from Mohali who is fixing computers, or Frida from Odense who is at Google, or Jasmine from Quezon City who is working as a child minder, or Ricardo from Belo Horizonte who is Deliverooing will make much of a difference to Dublin's prospects

Maybe their kids will - or maybe their kids will make a difference to the prospects of Meath or Kildare


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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:32:38 PM »

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up

Are RTE viewers going to watch all Ireland finals beyond 6 in a row ?
Are aserial all Ireland hammerings > 8 points  to 2030 and beyond likely to be of interest to neutrals ?
The GAA has destoyed its core product.  #Facepalm

As David Halberstam said of Robert McNamara in his book "the Best and the Brightest". - ": ďthey were brilliant, and they were fools."
TG4's viewing figures and the spectators at Croke Park increased hugely while Cork were winning 11 of 12 ladies' All-Irelands

I guess you could say they were good for the game

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:28:27 PM »

In representative sport, the odds will generally be against one team because representative sport has inherent unfairness built into it

When England played Croatia in 2016, the odds were stacked against Croatia with their population of 3 or 4 million people against England's 55 million - in the the quarter-final they overcame Russia, population 144 million

This fact about representative sport being inherently unfair seems lost on people - it always was unfair, it always will be

If you want fairness, the logical outcome is 10 or 12 regional teams based on roughly equal population - but that would mean the end of most county teams and a glorious new era of the BMW Bandits franchise, representing Westmeath, Longford, Roscommon, Leitrim and Cavan, and the West Coast Spreadeagles franchise, representing Galway, Mayo and Clare

Ah here, we're not thick.

Everyone accepted the consequences of the imbalances in the county structure. Dublin averaged an AI every 5 or 6 years for the first 120 years of the GAA. That was fine, because other counties could still have their odd day in the sun.

But 7 out of 9, soon to be 8 from 10, is a problem. The consequence of this sort of dominance is hopelessness.

Smaller teams don't need to match the output of the big boys, we all know the demographics won't allow it. But it's important to feel that there is real hope of catching them out every once in a while. That hope is now dead across most of the country. Dublin have set the bar far beyond what will ever be possible for most counties, and people in those counties know it.
But Dublin's dominance is not unprecendented

It has existed before

If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split

But this is not the case

I don't know how there cannot be real hope of "catching out" Dublin once in a while given their five in a row All-Ireland finals had margins of 3, 0 (1), 1, 6 and 0 (6) points

Defending the indefensible with falsehoods as usual.

No county had won 10 Leinster Football titles on trot before - unprecedented.
14 of 15 Leinster Football titles - unprecedented
5 All Ireland titles on the trot - unprecedented


As much as you dislike the truth, maybe try and stick with it next time.
You might address my point about the Scottish Premier League and Serie A

You're a big fan of both these leagues - yet Celtic and Juventus have consistently strolled to facile league titles in the same time that Dublin have been dominating Leinster

Both are on nine in a row now and it seems to be a huge to deal to you that Celtic get that vital tenth title in a row

This simply doesn't tally with what you say about Dublin

If dominance by one team was such a turn off for you, you'd have no interest in those leagues - but you do

You're now comparing professional sports with ones that are supposedly amateur.

That's your problem here with defending the indefensible, you don't have enough smarts or integrity to debate the issue, you have to fabricate lies and spin to deflect.

We know quite clearly now that you are incapable of putting up a solid defence without insulting the intelligence of all the posters on this board.

You told us it was not unprecedented at intercounty football level, when the facts prove you wrong you then try to deflect to other sports. The issue here is Dublin GAA and no amount of spoofing on Scottish football or Italian football will detract us from that.
Whether sports are amateur or professional is totally irrelevant

In the Scottish Premier League and Serie A, teams have won nine in a row and yet you are huge fans of these leagues and desperate for Celtic to win 10 in a row against the might of Caley Thistle and Hamilton Accies, and, apparently, a club which has only existed since 2012 and has never won anything of note - at least say Celtic supporters

This does not compute

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:16:09 PM »
Diego existed far and away above anything so trivial as football

He is best looked at as an other worldly liberator of whole peoples

Their entire existence, their entire sense of themselves was validated by him

This is not an exaggeration in any sense - this is genuinely how he made the peoples of Argentina and of Naples feel

In a world sense and in a non football sense, only the likes of Mandela, Martin Luther King and Gandhi had this sort of effect

In history and legend, what he did for Argentina in those four minutes in 1986 was like what Moses did for the Israelites

He was the chosen one




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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: November 25, 2020, 05:44:42 PM »
A brilliant player forever wrapped up in the memory of 1986. That brilliant goal against England and his tour de force against Belgium in the semi. It was his tournament. The greatest I've seen. His genius, charisma, his troubled personal life and his humble origins endeared him to the Neapolitans in a way that few if any others have managed at any club. RIP Diego
Literally nobody in the world of sport, maybe even outside sport, has been or ever will be worshipped unconditionally in the way Maradona was and is

He was quite simply a God in Argentina, Naples and in most places in the world that are not England, Brazil or Milan

The earth revolved around him

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: November 25, 2020, 04:22:56 PM »
Diego   :'( :'( :'(

The Greatest

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 04:12:34 PM »

Dublin U21/U20 have won 9 Leinster titles in the last 12 years compared to 7 in the previous 45 years.

They've gone on to win 5 All-Irelands [and are in the final again this year] in those 12 years, having won 1 All-Ireland in the previous 45 years of the competition.

Anyone who goes on about a golden generation of players is talking absolute codswallop, unless they can explain how one golden generation managed to win 5[and possibly 6] U21/U20 over the span of 12 years.
That's still less than Cork's six All-Ireland under-21 football titles in the 1980s

Galway won four between 2002 and 2013

Limerick won three u-21 titles in hurling from 2000 to 2002

Clare won four from 2009 to 2014

The latter three didn't capitalise hugely off those, only Clare got one senior title in 2013

It's an inexact science

Somebody mentioned ladies' football

Cork won 11 titles from 12 from 2005 to 2016 - I presume people were calling for Cork to be split up


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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 04:04:13 PM »

If Dublin win 15 or 20 in a row and are routinely winning All-Ireland finals by 10-15 points plus, we might talk then about a split


Dublin GAA and their supporters would do well to remember that it will be the other 31 counties deciding their fate.

I can definitely see a scenario where the rest of the GAA give Dublin the option of being split in 5/6/7/8 and if they don't accept the split being kicked out of the senior championsip.
You've obviously thought very deeply about this

Because I believe the current structure is wholly unfair and massively damaging to the GAA.
I was being sarcastic

I don't think you've thought about it very deeply at all

Dominance by one team for a prolonged period might not be great to watch but it is part of sport - it always come to an end eventually




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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Championship 2020
« on: November 25, 2020, 04:01:39 PM »
Donít forget the women Dublin footballers. Sure theyíre on for 4 in a row this year.

But I suppose thatís also down to a once in a generation group of lassies (can I still say lassies these days?)

The U21 hurlers have also won 4 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 43 years prior to 2007 they had won 2.
The minor hurlers have won 5 Leinster titles since 2007. In the 79 year prior to 2007 they had won 11.
And one Leinster senior title is their lot, with another one not looking to be on the horizon

The previous Leinster senior title Dublin won was in 1961. [There was no Galway in Leinster back then]

There's also the first and second All-Ireland club hurling titles won by Cuala.

Dublin hurling has never been stronger and with the huge underage numbers being tutored by the 70 coaches employed by Dublin GAA it's only a matter of time before Dublin starts picking up more hurling titles.
Dublin are around the ninth best team in hurling

Not exactly stellar, and not exactly only a matter of time before dominance is achieved

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