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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: July 31, 2020, 08:36:14 PM »
Main Street - agreed if you don't accept the reliability of the dogs, then Amaral had no case.
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The evidence of the dogs is irrelevant, it doesnt support Amaral's theory in the least that the McCanns were complicit, either in the killing or/and  the removal of the corpse. Amaral's theory or anybody's theory that the McCanns were complicit is beyond the realms of  human possibility, beyond the realm of rationality.

The  (unreliable)  evidence of the dogs only adds some fuel to conspiracy theorists that the McCanns were complicit, a conspiracy theory that conveniently ignores the stone wall of evidence that renders their theory worthless.

I don't think the evidence of the dogs is irrelevant. Such dogs play a vital role in solving crimes, detecting things beyond the capability of humans or machines. However, the evidence is of little use if the DNA on the blood samples is inconclusive. It does not mean more advanced technology will not solve that in years to come. Dogs are also being used by the German police in the digs being carried out. Until the Germans reveal what their "concrete" evidence is, there remains little to no other evidence in this case - beyond the sighting of the Smith family of a man carrying a child who looked asleep that night (their efit was suppressed for many years by the McCann detectives for some strange reason). The Jane Tanner (friend of family) sighting and eFit, promoted by the McCann detectives, has been eliminated by both the British police and PJ.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: July 31, 2020, 06:38:11 PM »
Main Street - agreed if you don't accept the reliability of the dogs, then Amaral had no case. I think the claim of the Irish family is unreliable due to the amount of time it took them to come forward. That said, it is curious that a dog trained in only picking up the scent of death only found it in 3 locations: apartment behind the sofa, on the child's toy in the families new place of residence, and on the keys of hire car. It is also curious that a second dog trained to detect blood samples and back up the cadaver odor dog, only found blood samples behind the sofa, apartment bedroom, and in the back of the hire car. It is further curious that the blood samples had a close resemblance to the poor child's DNA, but were ruled inconclusive by the English lab because she also shared the same DNA with her parents, and they could not be certain it was her blood. Further, DNA experts are saying the type of testing used by English police could never have proved conclusive with the technology there were using. That lab has since been closed down due to their faulty practices. But if you discard this evidence, the PJ had nothing. But it is not just Amaral that believed the child died in the apartment; it was also one of the conclusions by the police that replaced him. Even the German prosecutor who believes he has the real killer accused the Portuguese police of still believing the parents were responsible. You now have 3 police forces with different views, as the Met (Operation Grange) say she may still be alive. At least two of those police forces are wrong; indeed they might be all wrong. But one of them may be right. Time will tell, and hopefully the poor child will get justice.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: July 30, 2020, 09:11:35 PM »
The holiday friends were never accused by PJ. Ironically the British ex-pat Murat was made a suspect because of the accusations of holiday friends who thought him suspicious (must have been glass eye), and the McCann private detectives (who later turned out to be big crooks) had nailed it on an African paedophile ring and promised to have the poor child home by Christmas. Keep in mind that the scent of death was only found on keys of car hired, so it does not translate that body was transported in a car hired after the death/abduction  of poor child. Amaral made parents suspects because police felt the child died in apartment, likely from accident being left alone, due to evidence of sniffer dogs and they found no evidence of an abduction. They also refused to cooperate or answer questions. As of yet, while the German appears scum of hugest order, German police say they have evidence poor child is dead but not enough to pin it in this person. The German digs seem to have unearthed nothing.  I think this will end same as the long line of suspects: no evidence to press charges. Meanwhile the PJ have blood samples from apartment that await better DNA testing. I think that will eventually crack the case.

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So in short, the GAA is wrong to examine the naming of clubs after a colossal racist because he did his bit for Catholics back in the day?

I wouldn't summarise it exactly in those words (esp. the part about Catholics as noted by trueblue) but given that most people are a mixture of good and bad, something like this is a matter of weighing up the bad and the good and determining which was a more significant part of that person's life.

Mitchell held extremely racists views which were wrong by any measure but as far as I know (and I'm open to correction on this), he wasn't a leading figure in the pro-slavery movement - would American history books on the subject reference anything of his? I think it can be reasonably argued that he was more influential in the course of Irish nationalism and that it made up more of his life than the slavery movement.

Someone earlier mentioned Eoin O'Duffy, he might make a more interesting study - he was a prominent figure in the fight for Irish independence but does his later involvement with fascism completely obliterate his earlier contributions? According to Wiki, the terrace in Clones is named after him

Eoin O'Duffy is a good example. He was a hero in the Irish War of Independence and Chief of Staff of IRA. But he is remembered as a Blueshirt and you would never see a statue to him, or a GAA club named after him. He comes in for pretty harsh abuse from Shinners on Twitter - probably not knowing he was a Sinn Fein TD, too. If the same rule was followed for the others, they should not be commemorated in anyway. One problem with Thomas Francis Meagher (who was pretty brutal to Native Americans) is that he designed the Irish tri-colour.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: June 06, 2020, 12:17:04 AM »
I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

Does not bare thinking about, harrowing stuff.  This suspect is eligible for parole from his current sentence from this Sunday onwards, can't see that happening. 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the child died in the holiday apartment at the hand of the intruder, and then the intruder took the body with them.  This might add some credence to the cadaver dogs picking up a scent of death in the apartment.


The dog handler - Martin Grime - who is highly accomplished and solved many cases with Cadaver dogs has stated a body needs to be in place for 2 hrs before a scent of death develops. So the above would not be possible if the parents and friends were checking every half hour as they stated. It also still does not explain the perplexing fact that scent of death was also discovered in the McCann's hire car, a car they hired after the abduction took place, which led the original detective to believe that they transported the body later and concealed it, after she died from an accident in apartment after being left alone. His theory, not mine. Hopefully the family get closure but this latest suspect seems to be similar to the pedophlle who confessed in the Jo Benet Ramsay case (where parents were also suspects), and it turned out he was someone just looking for attention. There seems to be very little hard evidence other that he boasted to a friend. The original detected also predicted a year ago that this person would be made a scapegoat to close the case.

Pretty mad rant that in fairness.
The dog man would appear to have all the credibility of a palm reader.

I'm sorry but that is simply not true. These same dogs have brought many murderers to justice, including in Ireland.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/strabane-murder-sniffer-dog-on-netflix-maddie-series-37938452.html

In America:
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo

Did the murderer use the McCann's hire car to move the body and then leave it back? Whatever about Rex being a good boy, he ain't solved any murders. He can pick up a scent but after that you need evidence. Never seen Rex take the stand yet. May as well consult the daily horoscopes.

Dogs provide all kinds of tasks that can find missing people, sniff out drug smuggling, scent death, well beyond the capabilities of humans.

The dogs did their job and found samples that the police/humans missed. Itís up to experts to examine that evidence. The British Lab found them inconclusive. An expert from US has developed new forensic technology that he says might solve the DNA puzzle, and has offered his services for free. So far to my knowledge his technology has not been used.

https://www.cybgen.com/information/newsroom/2019/apr/Cybergenetics-expert-Mark-Perlin-discusses-inconclusive-DNA-mixture-evidence-in-Madeleine-McCann-missing-child-case-on-Australia-Sunrise-on-7-television-breakfast-news-program.shtml

Anyway this is all on the Australian news podcast for anyone who wants to learn more. Not my theories, but I thought it a very well researched series.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: June 05, 2020, 08:54:07 PM »
I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

Does not bare thinking about, harrowing stuff.  This suspect is eligible for parole from his current sentence from this Sunday onwards, can't see that happening. 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the child died in the holiday apartment at the hand of the intruder, and then the intruder took the body with them.  This might add some credence to the cadaver dogs picking up a scent of death in the apartment.


The dog handler - Martin Grime - who is highly accomplished and solved many cases with Cadaver dogs has stated a body needs to be in place for 2 hrs before a scent of death develops. So the above would not be possible if the parents and friends were checking every half hour as they stated. It also still does not explain the perplexing fact that scent of death was also discovered in the McCann's hire car, a car they hired after the abduction took place, which led the original detective to believe that they transported the body later and concealed it, after she died from an accident in apartment after being left alone. His theory, not mine. Hopefully the family get closure but this latest suspect seems to be similar to the pedophlle who confessed in the Jo Benet Ramsay case (where parents were also suspects), and it turned out he was someone just looking for attention. There seems to be very little hard evidence other that he boasted to a friend. The original detected also predicted a year ago that this person would be made a scapegoat to close the case.

Pretty mad rant that in fairness.
The dog man would appear to have all the credibility of a palm reader.

I'm sorry but that is simply not true. These same dogs have brought many murderers to justice, including in Ireland.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/strabane-murder-sniffer-dog-on-netflix-maddie-series-37938452.html

In America:
https://www.loudoun.gov/DocumentCenter/View/152001/06202019---Virginia-Court-of-Appeals-Affirmed-the-Convictions-Against-Braulio-Castillo




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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: June 05, 2020, 04:52:49 PM »
I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

Does not bare thinking about, harrowing stuff.  This suspect is eligible for parole from his current sentence from this Sunday onwards, can't see that happening. 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the child died in the holiday apartment at the hand of the intruder, and then the intruder took the body with them.  This might add some credence to the cadaver dogs picking up a scent of death in the apartment.


The dog handler - Martin Grime - who is highly accomplished and solved many cases with Cadaver dogs has stated a body needs to be in place for 2 hrs before a scent of death develops. So the above would not be possible if the parents and friends were checking every half hour as they stated. It also still does not explain the perplexing fact that scent of death was also discovered in the McCann's hire car, a car they hired after the abduction took place, which led the original detective to believe that they transported the body later and concealed it, after she died from an accident in apartment after being left alone. His theory, not mine. Hopefully the family get closure but this latest suspect seems to be similar to the pedophlle who confessed in the Jo Benet Ramsay case (where parents were also suspects), and it turned out he was someone just looking for attention. There seems to be very little hard evidence other that he boasted to a friend. The original detected also predicted a year ago that this person would be made a scapegoat to close the case.

He 'boasted to whoever' and phone records place him in the town an hour before abduction. I aint a dectective but if thats not something to go on then dont know what is. More perplexing is that he is a sex offender that lived in the area at that time. Why has has it taken this long to question/link him?

According to the original detective, he was investigated at the time by the police.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/madeleine-mccann-german-suspect-a-scapegoat-portugal-detective-goncalo-amaral-claims-maddie-podcast/0ea5ef10-8717-4cfb-adea-a1c8baf2d357

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: June 05, 2020, 04:47:19 PM »
I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

Does not bare thinking about, harrowing stuff.  This suspect is eligible for parole from his current sentence from this Sunday onwards, can't see that happening. 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the child died in the holiday apartment at the hand of the intruder, and then the intruder took the body with them.  This might add some credence to the cadaver dogs picking up a scent of death in the apartment.


The dog handler - Martin Grime - who is highly accomplished and solved many cases with Cadaver dogs has stated a body needs to be in place for 2 hrs before a scent of death develops. So the above would not be possible if the parents and friends were checking every half hour as they stated. It also still does not explain the perplexing fact that scent of death was also discovered in the McCann's hire car, a car they hired after the abduction took place, which led the original detective to believe that they transported the body later and concealed it, after she died from an accident in apartment after being left alone. His theory, not mine. Hopefully the family get closure but this latest suspect seems to be similar to the pedophlle who confessed in the Jo Benet Ramsay case (where parents were also suspects), and it turned out he was someone just looking for attention. There seems to be very little hard evidence other that he boasted to a friend. The original detected also predicted a year ago that this person would be made a scapegoat to close the case.

The only perplexing thing is that  this nonsense is repeated  year in year out. That car was rented some 24 days after Madddie was abducted, cue conspiracy theorists  doing gymastics to explain that one.

How about the obvious simple explanation that the cadaver sniffer dogs got it wrong,  such dogs get it wrong most of the time.


Yes, they could have got it wrong. However, they don't get it wrong most of the time. They have a 90%+ accuracy. And there were two dogs. One detected scent, then the second recovered blood samples where the scent was found, which proved the dogs was onto something. The DNA proved inconclusive - some say because of poor testing methods from a lab that is now closed down. This is not nonsense. It is in the police files. And I did point out the car was rented afterwards, which is why I mentioned what the police detectives theory was.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: June 05, 2020, 04:24:37 PM »
I'm not so sure now. Talk of him being released so is this an attempt to hold onto him.

Is he not serving a sentence for other sex offences? He's in prison in Germany was what I understood not that he'd been arrested.

It's a truly harrowing story and when I think about it I can't stop thinking about that wee girls last few hours. Afraid, alone, most probably crying looking help or her parents, not knowing what was happening. It really, really gets me.

Does not bare thinking about, harrowing stuff.  This suspect is eligible for parole from his current sentence from this Sunday onwards, can't see that happening. 

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the child died in the holiday apartment at the hand of the intruder, and then the intruder took the body with them.  This might add some credence to the cadaver dogs picking up a scent of death in the apartment.


The dog handler - Martin Grime - who is highly accomplished and solved many cases with Cadaver dogs has stated a body needs to be in place for 2 hrs before a scent of death develops. So the above would not be possible if the parents and friends were checking every half hour as they stated. It also still does not explain the perplexing fact that scent of death was also discovered in the McCann's hire car, a car they hired after the abduction took place, which led the original detective to believe that they transported the body later and concealed it, after she died from an accident in apartment after being left alone. His theory, not mine. Hopefully the family get closure but this latest suspect seems to be similar to the pedophlle who confessed in the Jo Benet Ramsay case (where parents were also suspects), and it turned out he was someone just looking for attention. There seems to be very little hard evidence other that he boasted to a friend. The original detected also predicted a year ago that this person would be made a scapegoat to close the case.






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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: April 15, 2020, 11:54:00 PM »
I donít think anyone is totally blaming Trump for this.

Cuomo made a lot of mistakes early on but has acknowledged this and performed admirably since.

DeBlasio likewise has gotten plenty of criticism Trump is giving himself a ten on how he has performed and deserves all the shit he is currently getting!!
the media do not call out Cuomo or de blassio with any gusto though thatís the difference.

I would be very anti-Trump, but living and working in NY I am surprised the easy ride Cuomo and DeBlasio are getting, some even eager for Cuomo to replace Biden. These guys were so slow to shut down and I had taken my children out of school long before these two clowns woke up. Big ego guys like Trump and highly responsible for the situation we are in.

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: February 18, 2020, 03:18:36 AM »
The paradox of a United Ireland is the majority in the North will only vote to join a thriving state but for  Sinn Fein to gain power in the South they have to constantly trump what a piece of shit the Free State is. Itís not - itís far superior to the North, far superior to the Uk, and a shame itís constantly put down.

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General discussion / Re: Black and Tans Commemoration
« on: January 07, 2020, 02:02:06 AM »
Total Irish killed in War of Independence - 550
Total children dumped in mass grave in Tuam - 800
Total other mass graves -?
Total Irish women incarcerated in Magdalene Launderies - 300,000
Total Irish children born out of wedlock sold by nuns 60,000
Total politicians from Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail and City Councils that have publicly boycotted the church - ?




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GAA Discussion / Re: Maigh Eo v Ros ComŠin 25-5-19
« on: May 28, 2019, 12:59:50 AM »
What's the age profile of the Mayo team these days?

A lot younger than the starting team the last two years i can imagine but i don't think the likes of McCormack,Boland,McDonagh,Diskin,Plunkett,Tracey will reach the heights or consistency of Boyle,Higgins,S O'Shea,A Moran etc at their peaks.


Andy didn't peak till 2012 got injured and probably had his best years 30 plus then . Poty 2016 was it ?

Boyler was that poor he was dropped from the panel in 2009/10 was it  . Horan came in and revived his career . Best days late 20s

Higgins was brilliant from young age granted.

Sos again mid to late 20s peaked.

Point is , there is plenty of time for the newbies  and it's the one positive you can take from hopefully getting at least two qualifiers we can let the young lads play , if horan doesn't approach it like that I give up on him.

Respe, Cillian , Carr would be my ff line for the next game . With diskin getting on at some point.  Fionn mcdinagh would be added to hf line . McLaughlin , Doherty and Darren coen to be dropped . Corn might seem like an odd choice but no need to play him the next day , hell be fine enough for the next one .

Eoin o donghue and James McCormack should also start the next one . Good game for seamie to come back for and fine tune match fitness at the brothers expense.

Start slingerman in goals .

Where has Ryan O'Donoghue gone to? Eoin O'Donoghue should be in corner back. Push Higgins up the field.

Werenít you the expert saying Mayo by 20 points in first gear. I hope they will not be listening to your advice. I would worry more about Kerry as the league may also have made them think they are better than they are.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: April 04, 2019, 11:49:40 AM »
I think it has become part of the narrative that Amaral is disgraced because of behavior of his police in the case of the Cipriano child and the British press began to label him the disgraced... but it is clear in that case if one digs deep that he helped convict the family of a poor child that was being sexually  abused and likely murdered even tho a body never found - even if Uncle retracted his confession. For the most part those police officers were later exonerated but made a lot of the same mistakes they made in McCann case by not protecting the crime scene.

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General discussion / Re: Maddie McCann
« on: April 04, 2019, 01:40:44 AM »
I canít vouch for whether the dogs were Ďhappyí or not  ::), just for the fact that both alerted in the same places.  So the question is why was the scent of human decomposition detected in the apartment, hire car and on the motherís clothes.  There could be a perfectly reasonable explanation?  Or maybe both dogs were wrong.  Either way, dogs are used to assist with the investigation, they cannot be used in court without corroborating evidence.

That seems like a very compelling piece of evidence initially but I think they only rented the car 20+ days after she went missing (open to correction on that) which makes it seem like a false positive from the dogs imo

Thatís true though the elements in the Portuguese police that made them official suspects were working on the theory a body was concealed and later transported. When this all happened, practically everyone, media and police were treating this as an abduction so there was no suspicion on family, though some social workers had early suspicions. The dogs did also find blood samples ruled inconclusive by the now closed down and somewhat discredited English lab. More advanced testing is now available which could rule family out for once and for all, but equally prove the original police detective correct.

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