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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: September 18, 2019, 01:47:41 PM »
If there is two tiers what is to motivate the lesser counties in the top tier?

Take Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone and possibly Donegal out of it and the Dubs will hockey every other team by double figures who are also in the top tier (they will beat those 4 mentioned teams by 5-9 points usually on any given day)

Kildare, Cavan, Roscommon, Galway etc are around 7th-10th ranked last few years. Each have been stuffed by Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone etc last few years.

Whats to motivate those players to participate in the HIGHEST tier? Never mind the lower tiers. The tankings will still take place in Tier 1.

What it there to motivate them now? We have 1 tier and tankings occur regularly even in the so caller Super 8's.

Think about this,
 every county will still have at least one chance to win an all-ireland final (at the highest level).

Every county will still have a chance to win a provisional championship

The only difference is instead of being knocked out in one (or maybe two) rounds of the qualifiers the weaker counties now have a realistic shot at winning an All Ireland (tier 2).

It makes sense to me, as I've said before however I think the winners should be allowed back into the tier 1 competition but that might not be possible due to scheduling issues. 

Looking at the poll results it seems the majority are in favour of the proposal.  Change comes slow in the GAA but give Horan credit, he sees the big picture.

I think this is a good proposal, it's gives team more realistic chance of silverware

Reluctant to comment on this as I think it should be the players and fans of the Div 3 and 4 teams who decide. But there was a guy on OTB (didn't catch who it was) and he completely slammed it and pretty much railroaded Emlyn Mulligan into agreeing with him.

His main problem was the provincial backdoor. It's much harder for Derry to make the provincial final than Sligo. But, so what, that's luck of the draw, you could end up with 4 worst teams in Ulster in the same half. Sligo could have to beat Galway and Mayo to get to a final, or they could have to beat London and Leitrim. It's a very minor point to argue about. If a team is that determined that they should be in Tier 1, then all they have to do is get promoted to the Second Division of the league.

I'm not sure I agree with the provincial final backdoor, I'd leave it to winners only. But a team that wins Tier 2 should definitely be automatically into Tier 1 the following year, as if they were a Div 1/2 team. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 18, 2019, 01:34:53 PM »
Excellent analysis Ohtoohtobe.
In 4 of the 5 years there were games where Dublin coulda/shoulda been beaten by Kerry or Mayo.
It's a freak that Dublin have managed to win each year. The three in particular where the opposition had it in their own hands, but it just slipped by where the 2 Mayo own goals, the Vaughan red, and the Moran turnover. If the role of honour of the last 5 years had been: Dublin - Mayo - Mayo - Dublin - Kerry, the narrative would be completely different.

And could you imagine what the ruckus would be if Dubs were dominating at minor!! Instead there's never any discussion how counties can copy Kerry. About all the volunteer hours ex-Kerry players put into their elite squads. Ex-Dubs do that too, and I'm sure it happens in more counties, but could there be more done?
Dublin's best ever minor team were beaten in an AI final by Tipperary.

But who wants to be talking about Mayo Kerry and Dublin all the time? It's boring. It doesn't work. The biggest inequity is the make up itself. And now the Turkeys will vote for Christmas with a second tier. Where's the plan to make all this more even? No plan. We're tossing over the embers of one of the most imbalanced sports there is. It's a flawed concept and you'll still be debating the same issues in twenty years time

That's an interesting point High Fielder. But there's no reason Galway, Cork, Meath, Kildare, Armagh, Tyrone, Donegal all can't be equally as good as Kerry and Mayo. Of those, IMO, Tyrone and Donegal are the only two who punch at their weight, but the others all show the odd glimmer that they're getting their house in order. I appreciate there will be ups and downs as the really top quality players come and go. I fully believe there will be no more than a kick of the ball between Dublin and Kildare should they play in Leinster next year and await with interest the PP odds. And I think the next 5 years will be very competitive between the top 5 or 6.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: September 18, 2019, 01:10:49 PM »
Would Sky consider taking him onboard if he toned it down a bit?

I would have thought given his stance on Sky coverage, going to work for them would be a major slight on his integrity.

Since the Sky agreement, a large number of people in the country have much less access to viewing the national sports than they had before the agreement.

Is that actually true though, i have see that countered elsewhere but cannot remember where.
Well, the argument is there are as many games on free to air as ever there was and that game on Sky are therefore a bonus. But don't have the facts and figures to know if that's true.

One great bonus of Sky's coverage is not having to listen to Ger Canning doing AI semis and finals. 

Also much prefer it to TG4, as I understand what the commentators are saying. Although on TG4, at least some of the interviews and all of the adverts are in English.

If there's a way of synching radio commentary with TV coverage, I'd love to hear it. Anytime I try it, there's always a delay, which is even worse than having to listen to Ger.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 18, 2019, 10:55:50 AM »
I'm a little puzzled at some very strange remarks from Declan Darcy about Diarmuid Connolly's return to the squad: https://www.the42.ie/dublin-diarmuid-connolly-declan-darcy-4812056-Sep2019/

Connolly's private life is his own concern. I don't want to know anything about it, it's his own business. What's bothering me is - are Dublin so far ahead of the pack that they could afford to carry a passenger in the All-Ireland series?

I know Connolly in his prime was a superstar, but he was eighteen months out of inter-county football and looked it. Are Dublin that far ahead that they could carry him? I know he's not a passenger in the sense they couldn't carry Joe Duffy or Christy Dignam or some other hero of the city, but dammit, those comments from Darcy are just plain odd.

In 35 minutes he set up 2 points, and while he missed a goal opportunity, it eventually went for a 45 which Rock pointed. So direct involvement in 3 points for Dublin, and cost a few turnovers too. But overall, there was at least half a dozen players on the pitch who contributed less than he did. So a passenger? I don't think so.

And while there may have been some sympathy shown to get on the panel of 35 or whatever it is. To get in the 26, he had to be showing more in training that his competitors for half forward cover. To suggest he was in the 26 as some sort of compassionate play is clearly way off the mark. 

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: September 17, 2019, 09:06:31 PM »
Napoli are a very good side. We’re not quite at it. Waiting for someone to make the killer pass.

Looks like Red Bull Salzburg are good too, so not necessarily a two horse group.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 17, 2019, 04:01:40 PM »
Agree with all that Seanie. The travelling expenses definitely needs a more equitable solution.

The S8 is an interesting one re Croke Park. Totally agree that Dublin should only have one game in Croker.
But if we go back to straight quarter-finals, the history of the QFs is that the Leinster champion always played their QF in Croker (and that wasn't always Dublin in the early years).
Dublin (as a Leinster loser) played Kerry (as Munster champions) in Semple Stadium one year, which was absolutely fair enough. The replay was also in Semple, interestingly.

But if we revert to QFs, then I'd imagine Croke Park will be the main venue again. Maybe home advantage for the provincial winners would be better, so if there was a repeat of the above it would be in Killarney rather than Thurles. But perhaps it would be more equitable to continue with the S8 if Dubs get just one game in Croker and 2 away/neutral ?
(I think it would be fanciful to expect Congress to vote that Dublin should play a single QF outside of Croker as Leinster champions).

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 17, 2019, 02:54:01 PM »
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above. 

McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders". 

Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!

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Overall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o’clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin’s achievement deserved a bigger occasion.

As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.

Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage

Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.

If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!

Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html
You're spoofing
Again
you've never made a single contribution of your own opinion, never got into a debate in any depth with anyone ever, and you've the cheek to post that.
You're a complete bore.
Thankfully we've got the ignore function so I'm not putting myself through any more of your soundbytes.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 17, 2019, 02:50:54 PM »
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html

Philip McElwee during his spell as Na Fianna manager
The big change came when the funding came through in 2004, 2005. All of a sudden you had 40-45 coaches. Instead of having to go around to 10 clubs, you only had to focus on one or two. These days I’d be employed by the club, not the county board, while Niall [Corcoran, Kilmacud’s hurling officer] is funded through the GDO scheme, which is half-funded by the board and half-funded by the club."

Don't want to give a lazy analysis, but how the heck could any county compete with that.
seriously, even the most unrealistic Dublin supporter has to acknowledge the above, or even Croke Park, then again maybe not !
You read the whole article and you picked that out as the most important?
Fair enough.

Kilmacud are a massive club. Huge membership. Those members fund half the wages of a hurling GDO and all the wages of Pauric McDonald. There's only a small number of Dublin clubs that can compete with that, I doubt any non-Dublin can. They also have probably the largest number of volunteers giving up their free time than any other club in Ireland. And a significant proportion of those are non-Dubs!   

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GAA Discussion / Re: Jim Gavin - The Greatest Manager in GAA history
« on: September 17, 2019, 12:52:44 PM »
I don’t think it’s a criticism of Gavin. His point just tells us that it’s hard to know how good you are when you manage a team streets ahead of everyone.
I thought bringing Connolly back was poor. He wasn’t near the level as far as I could see while other lads who have been there all year never got a sniff of action.
He can get away with these things where others wouldn’t.

Having said that, while they keep winning, you can’t fault him.
The reason Connolly was brought back was a lack of depth at half forward. We’ve loads of lads who can play in the FF line, but very little at half forward and midfield. Subs breakdown yesterday was 1 mid, 1 HF, 5 FF.

Not so sure that was the reason Connolly was brought back in, read Darcy Q&A in the Examiner today for insight.
Great article

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/theyre-a-really-special-group-youd-bring-your-kids-to-watch-them-play-951128.html

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 17, 2019, 12:50:59 PM »
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above. 

McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders". 

Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!

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Overall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o’clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin’s achievement deserved a bigger occasion.

As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.

Ad hom, Hound
Sign of a weak argument/unwillingness to engage

Address the points, not McStay.
My post was about McStay! A bluffer.

If there were any other points in his rambling article, are you seriously suggesting I haven't addressed them already? Feckin countless times!

Here's the article that sums up my position. Have a read.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-kieran-shannon-interview-the-real-jackanory-behind-dublins-perfect-storm-942964.html

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 17, 2019, 12:30:43 PM »
Apart from Dublin GAA circles (naturally enough) and the Croke Park hierarchy there's little interest and certainly no excitement about the Final or the 5 in a row.
It's just all so predictable and inevitable like if  Real Madrid were in the Irish Soccer League.
The rest of us are getting on with Club championships while Co Boards are trying to come up with more and ever more fundraising initiatives to try and pay for their inter Co teams and managers.
They have just about enough time and energy left for the mundane tasks of administering GAA affairs in the County.
Funny you say that…
I mentioned on the AI thread on Saturday morning that I never saw such little interest in the final here in my part of Dublin and as far as I could see, the same could be said about the entire city.
Three were far fewer flags hanging out of windows and very little bunting strung up either. Most of the decorations anyway were now new- leftovers from other years.
A local barman told me that there were less than a dozen punters in the pub at closing time Saturday night and every one of them was a regular anyway.
He had a good crowd for the game and he sold a fair amount of drink but the place was back to normal by 9 o’clock. In recent years it would be well after one before the pub would be cleared and he’d have sold more than twice as much.
Maybe the whole goddamn lot of them are saving up for the fix for six. ;D
Well as you know, Dublin is not a GAA town, but there are GAA areas.

After pinting in the city centre for a few hours I got back to my local at about 11pm on Saturday and the place was absolutely rocking. Pub next door the very same and I'd guess the other 3 pubs in the village were a similar story. This was our biggest and most celebrated AI since 2011. And yes there are many many people living n Dublin who couldnt give a flying F.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row
« on: September 17, 2019, 09:16:03 AM »
McStay's a waffler. When he's making a point that might be contentious, he doesn't have the gumption to make it himself, he puts the credit/blame on someone else, like Whelan and Canavan above. 

McStay was on one of the preview podcasts before the Mayo v Donegal game. Someone else suggested match-ups for Mayo defenders to pick up the Donegal forwards. McStay added a couple of comments to support the suggested match-ups. Then the presenter said to him, "what about the match-ups down the other end?". McStay himmmed and hawwed for a couple of seconds, then said "ah, I wouldn't know enough about the Donegal defenders". 

Like FFS. Not only a paid analyst, but he's just out of being an intercounty manager!!

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Overall, it was a strange evening. An All-Ireland final on a Sunday at half-past three is a national occasion. It is a ceremony that dominates the day. A replay is different. Saturday night at six o’clock: the world is getting ready to go out on the town. There was no minor match, no crowd gathering in the stadium and the overall sense of the evening was: this very important game needs a resolution. But the sense of occasion was absent. So I have a strong, strong sense that the All-Irelands should go back to September and that any replay should be on a Sunday. The scale of Dublin’s achievement deserved a bigger occasion.

As someone who was at the game, the above from his article today is complete and utter nonsense. Drivel.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Jim Gavin - The Greatest Manager in GAA history
« on: September 17, 2019, 09:01:49 AM »
Anyone remember the circumstances of Micko leaving Kerry.
Did he give plenty of notice or was it sudden?
Left after a winning or losing year?

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General discussion / Re: The Official UFC Thread
« on: September 17, 2019, 08:57:26 AM »
My reading of it is that he was telling his Dublin fans that he'll be fighting on the on the 14th December card, which happens to be in Vegas.  Not that he'll actually be fighting in Dublin.


Best guess is it will be against Poirier. 

I'd be avoiding Gaethje for as long as possible if I was McGregor!  He's a machine!

I reckon Gaethje will get the winner of Khabib vs Ferguson and IF McGregor beats Poirier he will then be given a title shot.
Maybe, but I'd rate it as unlikely.
The reference to "Dublin" means that it most likely just show promo nonsense for his whiskey or one of his other businesses.

As you alluded to, there's zero chance this relates to a UFC fight in December in Dublin!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All Stars 2019
« on: September 16, 2019, 08:44:18 PM »
I hope Cluxton gets it.

Just give him player of the decade.

Hard to believe that this will only be his 3rd All star this decade and his first since 2013.
Are ye for real? That really is mad if its true.
2002, 2006, 2007, 2011, 2013.

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