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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: December 12, 2018, 12:32:54 PM »
Heard someone on the radio earlier saying that anyone talking about a border poll should learn the lessons of the Brexit poll - make a decent plan before asking people to vote!
Correct, I have not seen any plan from either SF or SDLP that would get me to vote for a UI, and I consider myself a republican, small r. I'd abstain.

In any UI poll, both of those parties should take a backseat for the following reasons 1) them shouting  from rooftops would alienate the 15% - 20% of soft unionists needed to carry a vote - Mary Lou and co will not be able to help themselves however 2) neither party has really contributed to the factors that has made the Irish economy and culture attractive to Unionists, so it should not be their plan or vision that is on offer

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 08, 2018, 12:04:08 AM »
Priti Patel is going to starve the nation of Ireland;

https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-threat-food-shortages-ireland-4381228-Dec2018/

Like the Brits have never did that before.

Odious bunch of f**kers.

Patel has an arse on her that must already stop a lot of Jammie Dodgers making it to our shores.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 05, 2018, 01:16:12 PM »
Did anyone see the quivering chin on the Attorney General Geoffrey Cox when the vote to release the legal advice was passed.

Shifty..........

He is quite the cartoon character in a parliament of toons. Seems the end result of them releasing it is the SNP see it as providing even more favourable terms for NI, while the DUP see it as devastating for NI. Same as before then.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 04, 2018, 12:37:34 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46428579

A strange conclusion given 27 EU member states have to approve extending it. This would mean they could keep triggering and cancelling till they got deal they want, simply just wasting everyone’s time.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: December 03, 2018, 01:19:38 PM »
Wouldn't build the Swiss up too much. They were very lucky to scrape past NI to qualify for the WC with a disputed penalty. While they have had some eye catching results (5-2 over flakey Belgium), they also lost a recent friendly 1-0 to Quatar. Denmark are also a team in slow decline. Good thing is we have a bit of history to overcome with each of them to give us a bit of the needle we will need. Would be horrid embarrassing not to qualify as one of the many hosts.

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General discussion / Re: Top 3 Christmas Songs?
« on: November 29, 2018, 11:36:33 AM »
A few anti war ones for me

Arthur McBride and the Sergeant - Paul Brady live version from Liberty Tapes
Happy XMas War is Over - John Lennon
Stop the Calvary - Jona Lewie

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 27, 2018, 01:26:19 PM »
The problem for the DUP is they went for the Full English Brexit with Boris Johnston as the silly sausage in the middle of it.  It was an unhealthy choice to say the least.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 25, 2018, 10:49:47 PM »
In the event of a no-deal Brexit will that spell the end of the cheap power-tools and the like from Lidl UK stores?

That would be tragic.

/Jim.

To be replaced with chlorinated chicken from the USA and cheap beef full of hormones and antibiotics from South America.

I don't get this. Please explain.

EU maintains high food standards. Not so other markets. The steak you get in USA, unless you are careful, is from livestock fattened with steroids. The chickens are washed in chlorine. Eat from that food chain and you are putting that in your body. Uk wants to sign its own trade deals which will likely flood their markets with this food after new trade deals with America’s. The consumer may thinks it’s great as wil be cheaper but they are paying a higher price health wise.

There is a myth about the EU and it's high welfare food standards.
US Beef and steroids. Steroids!! Chlorinated Chicken. Chlorinated!!
I am no fan of Brexit but peddling complete bullshit lifted from twitter doesn't help.
Everyone should really take a deep breath.

Not peddling any myths. US chicken is banned by the EU because the carcass is washed in chlorine. Quartz is a respectable US business site, so read for yourself. Likewise, much US beef is pumped with steroids. There's a reason stores like Trader Joes and Whole Foods have become popular in USA as they sell beef free of antibiotics and steroids.
https://qz.com/1037737/will-post-brexit-uk-swallow-americas-chlorinated-chicken-for-a-trade-deal/


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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 25, 2018, 10:19:20 PM »
In the event of a no-deal Brexit will that spell the end of the cheap power-tools and the like from Lidl UK stores?

That would be tragic.

/Jim.

To be replaced with chlorinated chicken from the USA and cheap beef full of hormones and antibiotics from South America.

I don't get this. Please explain.

EU maintains high food standards. Not so other markets. The steak you get in USA, unless you are careful, is from livestock fattened with steroids. The chickens are washed in chlorine. Eat from that food chain and you are putting that in your body. Uk wants to sign its own trade deals which will likely flood their markets with this food after new trade deals with America’s. The consumer may thinks it’s great as wil be cheaper but they are paying a higher price health wise.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 21, 2018, 06:40:59 PM »
If parliament reject it then it’s straight into hard Brexit or am I missing something.

Your missing everything if you think rejection of this deal == hard Brexit!

Rejection of this deal means Theresa can either (i)try to renegotiate the deal, (ii)resign, (iii)put the deal to referendum rather than parliament (iv)exit without a deal (v)don't exit.



All those choices are not in UK hands. Because they have invoked Art 50, all 27 EU states would need to agree to any kind of extension, otherwise they crash out without a deal at end of March if they don’t get something sorted.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 21, 2018, 03:20:27 PM »
The bridge to Scotland was a pre-emptive hint to the rest of the uk by the DUP to show how united we all are, and we’re all the same etc etc. It was points on the board before the match started.

Surprised Nicola Sturgeon isn't prepared to meet them halfway with the costs...........

Deluded doesn't even come into it.

I'd say after the 1 billion bribe given to the DUP to support the Tories, there's isn't a hope in hell of anyone giving them 20 Billion to build a bridge to Scotland to fulfill their genetic fantasy/umbilical cord needs to "their" mainland.


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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 20, 2018, 01:11:02 PM »
One out of leftfield:

If this halfway house is such a good deal but the DUP too blind to play ball, why don't the Republic offer to align as soon kind of halfway house? 

Leo and the boys are saying we are well in with the Europeans so we could say that we will have an regulatory alignment with Brits, keeping the island border free and skelping a rake of business out of London and the like.

A sort of Hong Kong of Europe.

/Jim.

What happens when the British start "tearing up the EU red tap that is stifling business" do we continue to align with them and move out of alignment with the rest of the EU?

No idea, but if the North could be a halfway house with the best of both worlds I am wondering if it could be inverted.

As for cutting the red tape.  I worrying hear a brexiteer on Newsnight extolling the virtues of cheap meat from South America.   I don't know about the average Brit but I am happy to pay a little bit extra for the quality regulations (in particular around steroid and antibiotic use) the EU enforce.

/Jim.

One thing is for certain, waist sizes are going to increase when they start eating beef pumped with steroids. Look at your average Yank, who rarely eats grass fed beef. Some of those Brexiteers don't look the healthiest to begin with but they are about to get a lot more unhealthy with these new trade deals. They laugh about chlorinated chicken but that's what they will be eating, and yellow eggs from poor hens caged up eating soymeal all day.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 20, 2018, 12:43:55 PM »
One out of leftfield:

If this halfway house is such a good deal but the DUP too blind to play ball, why don't the Republic offer to align as soon kind of halfway house? 

Leo and the boys are saying we are well in with the Europeans so we could say that we will have an regulatory alignment with Brits, keeping the island border free and skelping a rake of business out of London and the like.

A sort of Hong Kong of Europe.

/Jim.

Did I read that the regulatory alignment only covers “goods” so would that rule out things like financial services thereby preventing NI being Hong Kong of Europe (fantasy stuff anyway)

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 19, 2018, 07:29:45 PM »
Pete Shirlow on Sunday Politics said that unionists are now beginning to look at the union in economic terms, not as a question of sovereignty. It is time that those espousing a UI start making cogent economic arguments rather than calling for a border poll. Thats what will inform peoples voting intentions in a future referendum.

The fastest way to a UI was always going to be through economics.

Conversely - if the DUP were not so f**king thick and took this deal - then economics would be working for their union, not against it.

In the electorate here, there are two fringes, hardcore republican voters and hardcore unionists. They won't change their minds regardless of what happens. But there is a sizeable middle which could swing on *very stark* economic arguments.

If we crash out with no deal - then that middle group, irrespective of religion, will be economically envious of ROI and when folks are weighing up a fleg vs. food on the table, a border poll might not be such a bad idea.
If we got the deal - then we'd be in best of both worlds - and then it'd only be the fringe republicans voting for a UI as the rest would be economically better off and the risk not worth taking.

I get where you're coming from but using that same logic then why did they ever support Brexit in the first place? They are imperialist fantasists riddled with paranoia and fear and when they initially nailed their colours to the Brexit mast they were entering into an unknown in terms of how the process would pan out. I thought it was a bad move from them prior to Brexit and it has so transpired.

Before even reading the withdrawal agreement, their chief Brexit spokesman was comparing the EU to the IRA and stating that it was like receiving a punishment beating from them. It could well be as good as it gets for them at this stage though tribalism will ensure that they say 'no surrender' until the bitter end.       

Most people, DUP included, thought Brexit wouldn’t happen. So they supported it thinking it would fail, but come out of it looking all British and patriotic. When brexit happened, they had to stick to it.

They didn’t know how it would pan out. They still don’t. But they still will persist with it no matter how stupid they look or how much damage they do to the economy and people’s normal everyday lives.

I think they are also enjoying the publicity that being in bed with the Tory far right has given them. They have become emboldened and indulged by like minded extremists in this whole Brexit debate.

That's exactly it. They are like pigs in shit with the amount of air time they have been given when for most of the people in GB, they've been an obscure party up to now. They thrive in positioning themselves as defenders of the Union and pride themselves in the stubborn streak they are showing in contrast what they portray to be weak Theresa May taking a bad beaten from the EU, and worse, from Dublin. And worse again that she lied to them for the God-fearing DUP never tell a porky, and only denounce sinners, of what she is one and so is  Leo, Barnier and the rest of the EU. Brexit gives the DUP everything: siege, no surrender, blasphemers. They could only ever be on the side they have taken.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 17, 2018, 03:35:58 PM »
Times those Nordie business people copped on and started taking advice from the experts who know the world is a few thousand years old.

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