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General discussion / Re: Premier League 2016/17
« on: February 23, 2017, 08:15:24 PM »
Thats daft who do they get in for that one?
 Neil Lennon?

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: February 23, 2017, 08:14:04 PM »
I see that there were a few Man U fans weren't too happy when Cantona said that his favorite team mate was Gary McAlister. I know there is no love lost but that's a Leeds vs MUFC thing and not a Liverpool thing right?

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: February 23, 2017, 12:24:17 PM »
Guardian. Opinion piece:
In the new world order created by Trump and Brexit, Ireland could be ripped apart
Fintan O'Toole
The tectonic plates are shifting: Britain is being sucked into the US orbit, so the Irish border will become not just a political frontier but an ideological boundary

One thing the Brexiters did not lie about was their emphatic assurance that the island of Ireland would experience, as Theresa May continues to insist, “no return to the borders of the past”. What they did not say was that there will be a whole new frontier – welcome to the borders of the future.

We are not going back to the way things used to be before the UK and Ireland joined the European Economic Community in 1973. We are going forward, accidentally and haphazardly, into a division of the island that could be more profound than it has ever been. At best, it will be a border between the UK and the European Union itself. But at worst, it could even be a border between a new Trumpian world order and a Europe struggling to hold on to a notion of transnational democracy. Yet nobody seems to be thinking much about these possibilities.

Politics are in turmoil in both Irish jurisdictions. In the republic, Enda Kenny is being shooed towards the exit door because of the failure of his government to deal with an extraordinary scandal over the alleged smearing of a police whistleblower, Maurice McCabe. In Northern Ireland, there is an election brought about by the almost equally extraordinary scandal of a breathtakingly expensive renewable heating initiative.

Both issues are important. But neither is of the scale of what Brexit is threatening to do to Ireland. What is at stake is quite literally Ireland’s place in the world. An island that has been bedevilled by great uncertainties of belonging is being forced to think again about where it belongs in an even more uncertain geopolitical context.

Assurances that there would be no hard border between north and south when Northern Ireland is hauled out of the EU against its will were always lazy and reckless. At heart, they were based on an arrogant assumption by many Brexiters and some unionists that the republic is really still no more than an eccentric adjunct of the UK. It wasn’t necessary to think the thing through in detail because the Irish would quickly realise that their best bet was to follow Britain’s lead out of the EU and into the new Isles of the Blest that would emerge in the Atlantic. And even if they didn’t, the Irish authorities would obediently agree to operate British border controls at Irish ports and airports.

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As Brexit moves from airy fantasy into messy reality, only the most deluded still think any of this. Ireland will remain in the EU, and because it is part of the EU, the Irish border will be an external EU border. Even if the implications of this fact for migration can be fudged, the border will be inescapably present. The new line from May is that it will be “as fluid and frictionless” as possible – not so much a UK border, perhaps, as a KY border. But no amount of verbal lubrication can ease the reality that the UK (and thus Northern Ireland) will be in an entirely different customs regime to the republic.

The need for a quick deal will suck the UK into the gravitational field of Trump’s assault on liberal democracy
So when the UK does its fabulous trade deals with Donald Trump’s US, what happens to the KY border? The Oxford-based economic historian Kevin O’Rourke has cited the simple example of one of the things that Trump would undoubtedly want in such a deal: duty-free access to the UK market for cheap, hormone-enhanced American beef. The EU, including the republic, will keep a 15% tariff on this beef. Without rigorous border controls, clever importers in, say, Newry, could bring in that US beef without paying duty and send it across to Dundalk and thence into the whole EU. And the same could go for cars or steel or anything else that Trump would love to boast about exporting to save American jobs. The EU’s own customs union would become a nonsense. Why on earth would it allow that to happen? It won’t – customs checks, with all the economic cost and all the psychological irritation, are inevitable.

But there’s something even larger at stake now. The consequences of Britain’s need to replace EU markets are not just economic. The tectonic plates that underlie the current political architecture are shifting. When reality bites and Britain realises that the EU is not going to give the UK back all the cake it has eaten, there will most probably be a ramping up of nationalist and anti-European rhetoric in England. And the need for a quick trade deal with the US will suck the UK as whole into the gravitational field of Trump’s reactionary assault on liberal democracy and transnational institutions. If that happens, the Irish border will become not just an economic, migration and political frontier. It will become an ideological boundary.

None of this is inevitable – and in truth none of us has a clue where the Trump escapade will lead – but it is a live possibility. We have to consider a grotesque absurdity: that the road between Newry and Dundalk or Lifford and Strabane leads from one geopolitical zone to another. On the one side there is the neo-nationalist world order; on the other the rather isolated edge of an embattled transnational EU. This would make the “borders of the past” seem like garden paths strewn with rose petals

Even in the most benign scenario, where post-Brexit Britain somehow escapes the clutches of a reactionary nationalism and does not fall into Trump’s orbit, Ireland has to deal with a profound question of belonging. It has long enjoyed the luxury of not having to choose between being part of the EU on the one hand and being closely intertwined – culturally and economically – with the Anglo-American world. But as these two spheres drift apart, Ireland risks being pulled asunder if it tries to stay with both. It will have to think of itself, politically and psychologically, as a more European country. Which would be all very well if part of the island were not being forced to define itself as much less European.

There is only one way to avoid this and that is, of course, for Northern Ireland to remain effectively within the EU as a special zone whose recent history justifies its status as an exceptional place – a part of the EU in the UK and a part of the UK in the EU. That, we will be told, is too great a stretch of the imagination. But it is not nearly so big a stretch as the crazy divisions that the Brexit zealots are imposing on a small island that was trying hard to escape from the legacy of the narrow nationalism they are embracing.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: February 23, 2017, 04:04:55 AM »
Al Jazeera is similar to been some obvious bias but pretty solid

General discussion / next Taoiseach?
« on: February 21, 2017, 07:15:28 PM »
not much chat about this one, seems to be end of march that either Leo Varadkar or Simon Coveneny with Leo the slight favorite.
Any thoughts on that? And do we see another election coming?

General discussion / Re: Rory McIlroy
« on: February 21, 2017, 05:56:59 PM »
Will we see protests on the greens at future Golf events involving Rory?

"All putts matter"

That's really funny!
Already stolen...

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: February 21, 2017, 04:01:37 PM »
A sixty billion bill to cover pre committed spend on the way out might make it interesting.
Also the EUs position that Northern Ireland and Scotland would be the bargaining chips?

With the way the chips are falling Stormont could be irrelevant in 10 years.

General discussion / Re: Trump's Disasters
« on: February 20, 2017, 03:45:10 AM »
60-odd million voted for Trump. They should get 8 years out of him for punishment.

What about the 60-odd million that didn't vote for Trump should they be punished also?
I think about 250 million didn't vote for him

General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: February 13, 2017, 04:39:14 AM »
We are all doomed though I suspect Uk will come out of this smelling of roses.

There's a first time for everything...

General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: February 13, 2017, 04:35:05 AM »
Yes there is freewill but if its used to defy scripture there will be consequences.

and by the way, to which scripture do you adhere, and how's your Aramaic?

And despite your whack job selective absolutism you will of course be aware that your new pope gave all priests the right to forgiveness for abortion in the sacrament of penance and the remittance of the penalty of excommunication.

Thats not even touching the delayed animation concept, where the church believed that a should din't inhabit a fetus immediately (with the spectacular bias justifiable by only those who believe God makes them special, that's 40 days for a male fetus and 90 for the female in case you cared)  and so early term abortions were a whole other kettle of fish.

General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: February 13, 2017, 04:15:36 AM »
Devout Catholics cannot morally support parties who would allow abortion

none of the 6 left will vote at all

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: February 12, 2017, 03:33:05 AM »
You're usually better than that.

General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: February 12, 2017, 01:29:10 AM »
“The Good Friday agreement makes it abundantly clear that the fact that both parts of Ireland and the UK are within the EU is a basis for the agreement. Moreover, the fact that Brexit could result in the reintroduction of border controls and controls on the free movement of persons between Ireland and Northern Ireland means this is a question for the EU, and not only Ireland the UK.”
This is from a memo from the European parliament’s legal affairs committee, which is helping shape the negotiating position of the European commission and the red lines of the European parliament

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: February 11, 2017, 01:31:46 AM »
So called ruler of the United States

made me laugh anyway...

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