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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 12, 2018, 08:10:21 PM »

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 11, 2018, 02:22:44 PM »
I like these boring 2-0 wins

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 07, 2018, 04:23:11 AM »
Cruz held on and Gillum beaten in Some of the big name races.
Country divided along racial wealth and education levels

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 07, 2018, 02:21:06 AM »
Interesting results in so far. No blue wave. Texas and Florida too tight to call so far.

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 06, 2018, 06:58:21 PM »
10 attempts none on target...

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 05, 2018, 01:50:32 PM »

Haha....the sheeple who read The NY Times

The stupid cvnt s were implying last week that the graffiti at the Synagogue was inspired by Trump rhetoric. Instead the attack was carried out by an African American Democratic activist who The NY Times sponsored to go to college.......couldn’t make it up

NY Times = Fake News

Theres some sheeple on here all right Whitey,
take a bow there so we know all who it is.

Can you take the first attempt at free thought- just some sort of personal view on one topic on which you post. You appear to have the best interest of the US at heart but yet every position you espouse on economic policy, immigration, tax goes against the best long term interests of the vast majority of the people of that country.

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 04, 2018, 09:51:13 PM »
Also let's be honest, it's a sign of the expectancy and how far they have come under Klopp for Liverpool fans, that it feels like 2 dropped points, the team is unbeaten in the league and we are all feeling a little bit disappointed...

City West, most famous Irish hotel booking of all time

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 03, 2018, 07:28:26 PM »
Arsenal rode their luck big time. Liverpool should really have been at least 2 up at the half. Great finish for the arsenal goal but by then it should have been completely out of sight. VVD could have had a hat trick, and really should have out away at least 1 of those opportunities to score.
Bugger, really disappointed by that.

General discussion / Re: Muslim gangs abusing children in England
« on: October 31, 2018, 04:55:25 PM »
He believes and the Church believes that Islam is the single greatest threat to western civilization we face today.  You may not want to hear that but I hear it and I believe it. 

All right all right all right..

Ice, I was of the understanding that you were a particularly devout Catholic, specifically the "One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church" as administered by the Roman Curia under the current leadership (at least on this planet) of Jorge Mario Bergoglio aka Pope Francis.

if that is indeed the case, then I'm afraid that this church would have a very profound disagreement with your statements as outlined above. And lets be clear, what you want to hear and what you wish to believe are your choices, and yours alone, not those of the church whose positions you selectively agree with.

You alone pick the pulpit at which you listen, and you alone choose what parts of that teaching to which you adhere.
Your eloquent Pastor does not speak for the catholic church and for the curia, and certainly not for the new testament, the teachings of Christ or Vatican II or catechism.

Quick sample for you below.

John 13:34
Love One Another

…33Little children, I am with you only a little while longer. You will look for Me, and as I said to the Jews, so now I say to you: ‘Where I am going, you cannot come.’ 34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”…

Francis, Message to Muslims throughout the world for the end of Ramadan, July 10, 2013

To Muslims throughout the World

It gives me great pleasure to greet you as you celebrate 'Id al-Fitr', so concluding the month of Ramadan, dedicated mainly to fasting, prayer and almsgiving.

It is a tradition by now that, on this occasion, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue. . . sends you a message of good wishes, together with a proposed theme for common reflection. This year, the first of my Pontificate, I have decided to sign this traditional message myself and to send it to you, dear friends, as an expression of esteem and friendship for all Muslims, especially those who are religious leaders.

As you all know, when the Cardinals elected me as Bishop of Rome and Universal Pastor of the Catholic Church, I chose the name of "Francis", a very famous saint who loved God and every human being deeply, to the point of being called "universal brother". He loved, helped and served the needy, the sick and the poor; he also cared greatly for creation.

I am aware that family and social dimensions enjoy a particular prominence for Muslims during this period, and it is worth noting that there are certain parallels in each of these areas with Christian faith and practice.

This year, the theme on which I would like to reflect with you and with all who will read this message is one that concerns both Muslims and Christians: Promoting Mutual Respect through Education.

This year's theme is intended to underline the importance of education in the way we understand each other, built upon the foundation of mutual respect. "Respect" means an attitude of kindness towards people for whom we have consideration and esteem. "Mutual" means that this is not a one-way process, but something shared by both sides.       

What we are called to respect in each person is first of all his life, his physical integrity, his dignity and the rights deriving from that dignity, his reputation, his property, his ethnic and cultural identity, his ideas and his political choices. We are therefore called to think, speak and write respectfully of the other, not only in his presence, but always and everywhere, avoiding unfair criticism or defamation. Families, schools, religious teaching and all forms of media have a role to play in achieving this goal.

Turning to mutual respect in interreligious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values. Particular respect is due to religious leaders and to places of worship. How painful are attacks on one or other of these!

It is clear that, when we show respect for the religion of our neighbours or when we offer them our good wishes on the occasion of a religious celebration, we simply seek to share their joy, without making reference to the content of their religious convictions.

Regarding the education of Muslim and Christian youth, we have to bring up our young people to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices.

We all know that mutual respect is fundamental in any human relationship, especially among people who profess religious belief. In this way, sincere and lasting friendship can grow.

When I received the Diplomatic Corps accredited to the Holy See on 22 March 2013. . . , I said: "It is not possible to establish true links with God, while ignoring other people. Hence it is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions, and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam. At the Mass marking the beginning of my ministry, I greatly appreciated the presence of so many civil and religious leaders from the Islamic world." With these words, I wished to emphasize once more the great importance of dialogue and cooperation among believers, in particular Christians and Muslims, and the need for it to be enhanced.

With these sentiments, I reiterate my hope that all Christians and Muslims may be true promoters of mutual respect and friendship, in particular through education.       

Finally, I send you my prayerful good wishes, that your lives may glorify the Almighty and give joy to those around you.

Happy Feast to you all!

From the Vatican, 10 July 2013

Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964
“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

John Paul II, address to a symposium on “Holiness in Christianity and in Islam,” Rome, May 9, 1985
“All true holiness comes from God, who is called ‘The Holy One’ in the sacred books of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Your holy Qur’an calls God ‘Al-Quddus,’ as in the verse: ‘He is God, besides whom there is no other, the Sovereign, the Holy, the (source of) Peace’ (Qur’an 59, 23). The prophet Hosea links God’s holiness with his forgiving love for mankind, a love which surpasses our ability to comprehend: ‘I am God, not man; I am the Holy One in your midst and have no wish to destroy’ (Ho 11:9). In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus teaches his disciples that holiness consists in assuming, in our human way, the qualities of God’s own holiness which he has revealed to mankind: ‘Be holy, even as your heavenly Father is holy’ (Mt 5:48).

“Thus the Qur’an calls you to uprightness (al-salah), to conscientious devotion (al-taqwa), to goodness (al-husn), and to virtue (al-birr), which is described as believing in God, giving one’s wealth to the needy, freeing captives, being constant in prayer, keeping one’s word, and being patient in times of suffering, hardship and violence (Qur’an 2:177). Similarly, St. Paul stresses the love we must show toward all, and the duty to lead a blameless life in the sight of God: ‘May the Lord be generous in increasing your love and make you love one another and the whole human race as much as we love you. And may he so confirm your hearts in holiness that you may be blameless in the sight of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus Christ comes with all his saints’ (1 Th 3:12-13).

Leviticus 19:18
Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against any of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

Matthew 5:44
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

John 15:12
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

John 15:17
This is My command to you: Love one another.

Romans 12:10
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Outdo yourselves in honoring one another.

Romans 13:8
Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law.

Romans 13:10
Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

Galatians 5:14
The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Ephesians 5:2
and walk in love, just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant sacrificial offering to God.

1 Thessalonians 4:9
Now about brotherly love, you do not need anyone to write to you, because you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another.

Hebrews 13:1
Continue in brotherly love.

1 Peter 1:22
Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.

1 John 2:7
Beloved, I am not writing you a new commandment, but an old one, which you have had from the beginning. This commandment is the message you have heard.

1 John 2:8
Then again, I am also writing you a new commandment, which is true in Him and also in you. For the darkness is fading and the true light is already shining.

1 John 3:11
This is the message you have heard from the beginning: We should love one another.

1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.

1 John 4:10
And love consists in this: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

1 John 4:21
And we have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must love his brother as well.

2 John 1:5
And now I urge you, dear lady--not as a new commandment to you, but one we have had from the beginning--that we love one another.

Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965
“The Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions. She has a high regard for the manner of life and conduct, the precepts and doctrines which, although differing in many ways from her own teaching, nevertheless often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men. Yet she proclaims and is in duty bound to proclaim without fail, Christ who is ‘the way, the truth and the life’ (Jn 1:6). In him, in whom God reconciled all things to himself (cf. 2Co 5:18-19), men find the fullness of their religious life.

“The Church, therefore, urges her sons to enter with prudence and charity into discussion and collaboration with members of other religions. Let Christians, while witnessing to their own faith and way of life, acknowledge, preserve and encourage the spiritual and moral truths found among non-Christians, also their social life and culture.

“The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.

“Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.”

“Therefore, the Church reproves, as foreign to the mind of Christ, any discrimination against people or any harassment of them on the basis of their race, color, condition in life or religion. Accordingly, following the footsteps of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, the sacred Council earnestly begs the Christian faithful to ‘conduct themselves well among the Gentiles’ (1P 2:12) and if possible, as far as depends on them, to be at peace with all men (cf. Rm 12:18), and in that way to be true sons of the Father who is in heaven (cf. Mt 5:45).”

predicted scores against biff for the weekend show us both getting 140.02 points...

Not a million miles out. Pre any adjustments, there's half a point in it.

General discussion / Re: America`s Gun Culture
« on: October 28, 2018, 01:58:39 AM »
Thoughts and prayers from all the the gun advocates and Sympathisers are all they really need.

The fake president
"If they had protection inside the results would have been much better"

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: October 24, 2018, 06:52:47 PM »
The Journal is a capitalist publication, and while you wouldn't think it to listen to most, that is very very different from being a republican or a right wing publication. While it is easy to conflate it is a very very different approach to life.

predicted scores against biff for the weekend show us both getting 140.02 points...

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