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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 24, 2014, 03:13:31 PM »
phil Neville hit the nail on the head here:

MOTD2 analysis: 'Liverpool results reflect their true level'

Former Everton and Manchester United player Phil Neville explains why he is not surprised to see Liverpool in mid-table following their defeat by Crystal Palace, rather than repeating their title challenge of last season.
Because of what Liverpool did last season, I think some people came into this campaign with unrealistic expectations of what they could achieve this time.
But they only went so close to winning the title last time out because they were inspired by their world-class front two of Daniel Sturridge and, in particular, Luis Suarez.

They were never going to repeat that kind of challenge after seeing Suarez leave for Barcelona in the summer.
Rather than underachieving, their current position is probably a more accurate reflection of this team's level at the moment, especially while Sturridge is injured.
Liverpool's 3-1 defeat by Crystal Palace on Sunday means they are 18 points behind leaders Chelsea after six defeats in their first 12 league games.
Yes, that is poor if you compare it to what happened in the Reds' previous campaign, in which they suffered the same number of defeats in total and the outcome of the title race was in their hands with only three games to go.
But that was a one-off. If you look further back, Liverpool have been a top-eight team playing in the Europa League, not title contenders.

So, although they are currently probably lower than expected in 12th place, I would not say I am hugely surprised how things have gone since Suarez's sale.
Liverpool are a good footballing team but, right from the start of the season, I did not look at their squad and see a group of players that I thought could go on and again challenge for the title.
What are Liverpool missing?

We saw against Palace how Liverpool have lost their intensity and drive, which I put down to the loss of one man - Suarez.
Liverpool starting line-up vs Crystal Palace
His performances also helped them build up a momentum that they just have not had since he left - their only back-to-back wins have come against West Brom and QPR in October.
A lot of people have criticised Mario Balotelli, who did not play against Palace, and I think he has become a bit of scapegoat for some of the poor performances that other Liverpool players have been putting in.
The biggest difference between this season and last is that, without Suarez and Sturridge to lead their attacks, Liverpool are not playing with the same intensity.
When Steven Gerrard gets the ball in deeper positions, he still looks up but does not have a front two who are running in behind teams for him to ping a pass to. He often went sideways against Palace.

Raheem Sterling is missing Suarez and Sturridge too.
They would occupy maybe two defenders each, which then left room for somebody else - usually Sterling - to exploit.
Without Suarez or Sturridge to keep them busy, defenders can stay tight to Sterling and stop him from running at them.
Against Palace, Liverpool lacked any sort of pace in their attacks and they have become predictable.

Everything is a lot slower and more measured. That allows the opposition to sit back, like Palace were doing on Sunday, and set up so there is no space left behind them.
It means Liverpool are not scoring lots of goals like last season, but the thing that has not changed is that you still get chances against them too.
Palace allowed Liverpool to play 50 or 60 passes in front of them at a time, knowing full well that when they made a mistake they could spring forward on the break and create chances.
We have seen that from a lot of teams playing Liverpool recently.
What can Liverpool do differently?

Brendan Rodgers has to go back to basics and find a way of grinding out results.

That might not be as wonderful to watch as when they were winning games by overwhelming the opposition, but that is just simply not going to happen with the players they have got.
It might be time to try to win ugly or, at the very least, start mixing things up a bit more.
Playing more direct at times would be a good start - it led to Rickie Lambert's goal at Selhurst Park on Sunday - and might be a better use of the strikers at their disposal.
But, whatever their approach, it is clear they do not have the quality to challenge Chelsea for the title and it is going to be a struggle for them to get into the top four.
From what I have seen, I don't think they will make it.
Summer signings did not secure superstar

If Liverpool do fall short, it will not only be down to Suarez's departure, but also because of the players Rodgers signed with the proceeds of his £75m sale.
Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers
Rodgers spent £117m on nine players in the summer
Rodgers added depth to his squad with the players he brought in, or had one eye on the future when he signed some of them.
But what he did not do is bring in somebody to improve Liverpool's first team, which does not compare with some of their rivals for the Champions League spots.
I watched Manchester United's win over Arsenal on Saturday and, although both teams are not as strong as in the recent past, they still had several players on the pitch with the potential to be devastating.
United have Wayne Rooney and Angel Di Maria for example, or Alexis Sanchez and Danny Welbeck for the Gunners.
It is the same with Manchester City and Sergio Aguero at the moment - they are all players who, like Suarez, can perform some magic in the final third and decide a game on their own.
At the moment, I do not see that kind of ability in this Liverpool team and Sturridge's return cannot come quickly enough for them.

....and whisper it quietly...but probably the best World Cup song ever...

I dunno, the scots gave them a good run for their money:

General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: November 23, 2014, 05:26:54 PM »
great piece yesterday about the absence of Suarez

Did you know that eight different books have been released to commemorate the story of Liverpool’s second-placed finish in the Premier League and how close they came to re-establishing themselves as the champions last season?

Only one was brought out about the champions, Manchester City, and it is certainly a strange set of events that there was a full summer’s worth of reading about the club where Bill Shankly’s old prophecy about first being first, and second being nowhere, is almost as much a part of the history as the Anfield gates.

The first was released 10 days after the final game of the season. The next was six days later, followed by three more in June, two in July and one in August. Two have the same title, Make us Dream, not to be confused with Daring to Dream, or indeed They Dared to Dream. Another takes its name, We Go Again, from the line Steven Gerrard used after beating City, and there is something rather quaint about the one that goes by the straightforward A Surprising Season. All tell the story of Luis Suárez bludgeoning defences and the exhilaration when everything started to fall into place. And what a story it was in those days and weeks when the bus was inching through the throngs outside the stadium and Anfield, once again, felt like the place to be.

None, though, has a happy ending. Liverpool will be reminded of that when they return to Selhurst Park on Sunday and the scene of so much sporting desolation the last time they played Crystal Palace that when the television cameras panned away from Suárez, sobbing beneath his shirt, they picked out a Liverpool Echo reporter in the stand. He, too, was in tears.

A fortnight ago, the opposition was Chelsea, bringing another set of raw memories, and perhaps the most conclusive evidence yet that Gerrard has not been the same player since his ordeal the previous time they met. Brendan Rodgers was booed for making unpopular substitutions and, even with two-thirds of the season to go, it would need a particularly vivid imagination to see how Liverpool can possibly stop themselves now from reaching 25 years without a league title. Liverpool are then on course to equal, and probably surpass, Manchester United’s record from 1967 to 1993. The difference, unfortunately for them, is they have just moved on the player who offered them what Eric Cantona did for Alex Ferguson.


This is certainly a delicate moment for Rodgers but, even by the standards of the modern game, it seems faintly preposterous that press releases have started arriving from various bookmakers announcing that he and Manuel Pellegrini, the top two in the league last season, are moving up the betting-shop chalkboards in the running to be the next managerial casualty. Let us have some common sense here. Rodgers was named manager of the year in May. To go from that kind of position to being told his job is suddenly in danger feels like football at its kneejerking worst.

Yet managers, like players, go through periods of good, bad and indifferent form and here’s a statistic to make you think: did you realise that Rodgers has won 52.63% of his games at Liverpool whereas David Moyes’s win ratio with United was 52.94%?

At the same time, take a considered look at Liverpool’s signings in the Rodgers era. Daniel Sturridge, despite his luckless run with injuries, can be filed with Philippe Coutinho as good buys and Alberto Moreno looks an accomplished left-back. Yet it is a thin file. Adam Lallana, Emre Can and Javier Manquillo are entitled to more time but Dejan Lovren and Lazar Markovic have started their Liverpool careers in a way that makes them look dreadfully overpriced. Joe Allen is a more rounded player than many perceive but Gazzetta dello Sport probably called it right after Real Madrid had left their calling card at Anfield and the newspaper described him as “inadequate at this level”.

Then consider Iago Aspas, Luis Alberto, Aly Cissokho, Mamadou Sakho, Nuri Sahin, Samed Yesil, Tiago Ilori, Victor Moses and Oussama Assaidi. Kolo Touré and Simon Mignolet are too erratic for a club with Liverpool’s ambitions. And what of Mario Balotelli, Rickie Lambert and Fabio Borini, three strikers who have played 998 minutes of league football this season and not managed a single goal?

Hypothetical, of course, but it is tempting to wonder if there are people at Anfield who now suspect it might have been worth putting up with the hassle that comes with Suárez rather than waving through his transfer to Barcelona.

Yes, he frequently offered the impression that he was no more trustworthy than a rattlesnake that had removed its rattle. His offending was of the serial nature and it probably sums him up that the Premier League lost its best player in the summer and its chief executive, Richard Scudamore, still sounded glad to be shot of him.

Yet Suárez belongs to the small band who seem to be on first-name terms with the ball. Briefly, he did make Liverpool’s fans dare to dream. That’s why Liverpool tried to become the first team to win 9-0 away in the history of the Premier League on that wild night at Selhurst. When Suárez popped in the third goal, tucked the ball under his arm and sprinted back to the centre-circle, the crazy thing is it wasn’t utterly beyond the realms of possibility. He was a swine, but he was a brilliant swine, and the common assumption that he would have withdrawn his gifts and drifted resentfully to the edges had Liverpool pulled down the shutters on Barcelona is simply incorrect.

Suárez is the guy whose foot was broken, growing up in Montevideo, when a car ran over him but carried on playing until the plaster cast was completely worn away at the heel. “I know what you are like, I know how you live,” Rodgers told him after that dalliance with Arsenal the previous summer. Sure, Suárez was aggrieved and for a couple of months he and Rodgers barely exchanged a word, but he still gave absolutely everything on the pitch. As long as he had kept doing that, Liverpool would have been authentic challengers. The size of his grudge would have been irrelevant.

Instead, Balotelli’s first few months at Anfield can probably be summed up by a moment of tragicomedy before the Chelsea game when his team-mates were going through the pre-match hugging and comradeship routine and he was out by the wing, staring into the middle-distance, apparently oblivious to what was going on in the centre circle. Sturridge’s injury record makes it legitimate to wonder if he will always be undermined by physical shortcomings and, as for Gerrard, it is starting to feel as if Liverpool’s captain might have been jarred more than we know by the way everything unravelled last season. One thing Gerrard does not lack is competitive courage. He can, however, be tremendously hard on himself and his story is so entwined with Liverpool’s it is virtually impossible to think he has got it out of his system.

Gerrard does not deserve trial by Opta but the number-crunchers can show you he has made fewer tackles, goals, interceptions and runs this season. One statistic in particular leaps out. Gerrard regularly covered 11km in matches last season. This season, he has not run that far once. He is 35 on his next birthday, and age catches up with everyone in the end, especially when there are other statistics that show the Premier League is 20% faster now than in 2007.

Liverpool have lost their control of matches and Rodgers has started talking up performances that, plainly, have not merited such acclaim. Liverpool, apparently, were desperately unfortunate to lose to Madrid at the Bernabéu (Liverpool did not manage a shot until 10 minutes into the second half). Rodgers took a similar line against Chelsea and the deception was obvious again. It is an old managerial trick, designed to manipulate the headlines, and it is as see-through as it is unoriginal.

Liverpool have lost all their forward momentum. Southampton, having banked two-thirds of the Suárez money for Lallana, Lovren and Lambert, must be sniggering behind their hands as they peer down the table from second place. Chelsea have become a speck in the distance and Liverpool are approaching a milestone they would never have thought possible when Alan Hansen lifted the trophy in 1990. From here, it is threatening to be an awfully long way back.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:58:11 PM »
Thats fair...I thought we were just discussing and exchanging ideas on a general level...hence me painting in broad strokes....I didn't realize I was testifying under oath

I don't know what you work at, but in my line of work, if I pulled something like that on a client, I would be looking at about 10 years in jail.

good job you didn't pull that on a client just on a discussion board.

General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:53:45 PM »
This is a failed kick start project

Kickended compiles all the projects that got zero funding

A film documentary about the actual rediscovery of an ancient site that was used as an inter dimensional portal to other worlds.

We have found evidence that portals exist!We have found evidence that portals exist!

In the spring months of 2011, UFO researcher Nigel Mortimer witnessed an extraordinary event - two military jets that were chasing a silvery ball of light over the woodlands of Settle in North Yorkshire, England. Shortly afterwards, he watched a ghost like owl appear out of nowhere, it sat staring at him with large dark eyes, within those same woods. He soon found out that other locals in the township had been observing these same lightships descending into the treetops for years. Intrigued by these sightings, Nigel began to explore the woodland with his wife Helen, but they initially found nothing unusual apart from the massive outcrop of rock known as Castleberg, which hung silently, looming over the small market town for thousands of years. More UFO sightings were reported and all of them seemed to be originating from the wooded craggy slopes of that place. Nigel came across an old painting and map of the Settle area which showed something unusual at Castleberg which was no longer there; a line of four massive ancient standing stones that ran down the hillside. His further investigations revealed that in the 1600's the British government mysteriously made an effort to remove these stones and replace them with something else on the landscape which would erase all living memory of the original Settle Sun Dial. Four hundred years later, Nigel Mortimer rediscovered where the secret sun dial had been placed, why it had been covered up, removed from the landscape and what its true purpose was - A PORTAL to another world! The secret that inter dimensional portals exist has been kept hidden away from the general public. The elite know that this is the preferred mode of transportation into our reality for the ET visitors. The amazing video and photographic evidence that has been gained by the Mortimer's at this portal site is groundbreaking! No longer can the truth be hidden.....


"A few months after the portal site was rediscovered, I became very ill. I could not breath properly and all of my energy was zapped from my body. I was taken to hospital twice with these symptoms but no definite solution to my illness was found. I suffered that illness for two years. I thought I was going to die.... I did not tell the doctors that I had been cursed with this illness from a negative human spirit from the 1600's at the portal!"

 Even though there had been many setbacks like this throughout 2011 to 2013, which included personal attacks by the local council, my self funded book on the portal being banned from all shops and libraries in the locality, and further psychic warnings, my wife and I continue to search for the truth. The illness has caused me to be unfit for physical work and so we have struggled on little income during this time, but even so, we have continued to work at the portal and spread the word about the amazing things we have discovered there.

Much of this documented video evidence will make up part of the whole story behind the documentary we will produce. In essence, we have already captured the heart of this story. Now we need more funds to finish shooting and editing the rest of this film during 2014, so that we can get it out into the world! It is so important that we do this soon - we understand now, that there are none human life forms which exist, that depend on this truth and They have been waiting a very long time to be invited into this physical realm!


 When we said that this documentary will be groundbreaking, they were not empty words. There has never been a ground roots film like this one, which gives both an accurate account of the history behind the cover up of a real portal, but also goes on to describe with amazingly detailed evidence that portals like the one found at Settle are still being used by inter dimensional Beings. Many of them are like us, some of them rather stranger lifeforms.

Nigel Mortimer is no New Age weirdo, he has 30 years of UFO investigations and research under his belt and what happened to him at Settle was a shock to him! The extraordinary synchronicity of separate witnesses accounts from the portal site is only the tip of the iceberg. This will not be a typical UFO documentary. This film will show how history and science often converge into the phenomenal worlds of the paranormal. After viewing this film, science will not be able to simply ignore the truth. We hope that science will embrace it. The Mortimer's know what happened and aren't waiting for anyone to prove it to them. They have the evidence. More extraordinary than the evidence is the effect the whole experience has had on all of our lives and the impact it will have on the immediate future of humankind.

Nigel confronts negative energies at the portal...Nigel confronts negative energies at the portal...

 Photographic Evidence from the portal can be viewed here:

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 14, 2014, 04:28:40 PM »
Not an opinion-fact (that you're wrong)

The 30000 people who worked at this ONE company in Boston all had the same insurance.

Remember I'm talking about specialists/consultants that you may see once, not a GP.

It was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.

so your amended version of your statement is now:
It was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee  in my 30000 person company in Boston with good insurance would receive.

Which is, I hope you are aware, statistically a very, very different statement. Carry on with explaining how I'm wrong, I'm not sure I get that from your notes above but it is very possible...

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 14, 2014, 03:27:41 PM »
You obviously have no idea how health insurance works if you're willing to make a statement like that.

again - your opinion and that's entirely up to you, others may disagree.

Thats the thing about opinions, like assholes, everybody has one, but not everyone should be exposing theirs in public.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 14, 2014, 02:56:43 PM »
It was an accurate generalization of the caliber of healthcare an entry level employee with good insurance would receive.

OK, lets say there are 5 (generous) former or current heads of Harvard Medical School practicing medicine. Let's say each has 3,000 patients on their roster ( again very generous) and that none of those overlap (generous even though you have proven that they do overlap) that's 150,000 patients.

There are 316 million (documented) people in the US, so that is one in 2,100 who have that access. Entirely up to you as to whether you would describe that as an accurate generalization.

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 14, 2014, 01:52:33 PM »
I think there is only one "head of harvard med school" be tough to have types attached to that role.

For me, whitey, the issue is not where the "in network" coverage offered is available, but rather the coverage that is not covered is awful, and indeed expensive. We have some special medical needs in our family, and 95% of the time those are covered, but if we have an emergency situation and need care locally where my insurance isn't accepted, then it is many thousands of dollars out of pocket.

I also have an issue that 15% of GDP is spent on healthcare which is nearly 40% higher than any other developed country. I happen to think that the Obamacare initiative is a very positive thing for the economy of the US and in particular for the 99%. There are definitely cases where it is not the ideal solution, but it is a significant step forward. Obviously if you work for, or have shares in large healthcare companies, Obamacare is not your idea solution...

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 13, 2014, 07:26:11 PM »
Read my lips: no new taxes

In shocking news politicians say anything to get your vote

General discussion / Re: Things that make you go What the F**k?
« on: November 13, 2014, 03:34:42 PM »
where in the name of feck did you find that, It's genius...

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 13, 2014, 01:37:50 PM »
you do have to wonder if there is anyone out there at least attempting to keep the Republicans on the straight and narrow.

Next stop Net neutrality.

Rather than have me butcher this- head over to the oatmeal to see the reaction to visionary genius Republican Ted Cruz

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 12, 2014, 09:05:02 PM »

When the one dissenter you mention is one of the most brilliant legal minds in the country and rabid supporter of the Democratic agenda, I think his dissent holds a little more weight than your or mine opinion.

Why do you think that now?

General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: November 12, 2014, 12:38:40 PM »
Did you watch the clip?

The bill was specifically written in a "tortured" manner (his words, not mine) so as to hide its true costs.

I don't know what you work at, but in my line of work, if I pulled something like that on a client, I would be looking at about 10 years in jail.
In what country do you work?

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