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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 05:33:05 AM »
Good to see Colin Pascoe outted as a Gaaboarder.

Best of luck with the GCSEs Colin.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 21, 2015, 09:24:05 PM »
Maybe he was too fond of defending racists?  ;D
zinger, hows the leaving prep coming along?

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General discussion / Re: American Sports Thread
« on: April 21, 2015, 02:33:19 PM »
oh I dunno- auld chip
Not as slow as he walks easy

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General discussion / Re: Brexit - Good or bad or wha?
« on: April 20, 2015, 09:50:06 PM »
i thought as its a leap year and the moon is in aquarius I should take advantage of the opportunity to agree with Tony- well at least not in the next 20 years. (never is a lot longer than I'm comfortable with)

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 20, 2015, 09:48:26 PM »
Found this commentary on this article to be sadly realistic...
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/20/brendan-rodgers-liverpool-nearly-men-excuses-fa-cup-aston-villa

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Let's say Rodgers is fired in the summer for this season of 'regression.' What does how he was treated by FSG tell the incoming manager in terms of what the club expects?

Presuming the next manager -Klopp or otherwise - requires the mandatory 'bedding in' season ie. he won't be fired after twelve months if he doesn't get top 4 because he will be bringing in his own backroom staff and players, adapting to a new league etc, well, how long does he get after that to make the top 4?

Rodgers did it in his second full season -quite comfortably, too. This season, he probably won't - likeliest position is 5th. Liverpool might miss 4th by ten points, but they might only miss it by 2 or 3. Regardless, his removal this summer would suggest a season without top 4 -even directly following a season in which top 4 was comfortably achieved- is grounds for firing in the eyes of FSG.

So it would be reasonable of the new manager to expect to get a pass for the first season, but he will be under pressure to get top 4 by season 2, and once it is attained, he will be expected to repeat that feat the following season.

Bearing in mind Liverpool have not qualified for consecutive CL places in almost seven years, and have never done so under FSG, this seems an unusually high expectation, especially when you bear in mind that Liverpool are 5th by almost all of the key financial metrics in the league: fifth highest wage bill, fifth highest in combined revenues.

The financial reality in 2014 is that 5th, all other things being equal is where Liverpool would be expected to finish more often than not, and it has been since the Sheikhs took over City to cement them as the second PL 'super rich' club to go with the traditional powerhouses of United and an Emirates Stadium-empowered Arsenal: that's the top 4 richest clubs in the land and 10 of the last 12 CL spots have been occupied by them in the last four years.

This summer, having sold Suarez, LFC spent a net of just under 30million to ostensibly consolidate a top 4 berth, while dealing with playing in Europe and the consequent extra workload of games. The two teams of the 'top 4' generally considered the ones we could best hope to stay ahead of, Arsenal, spent a net of 54.3- and United, spent a net of 118million. Almost double, and practically quadruple. Both those clubs consistently pay more on wages too. This is not a criticism on any way of either of those clubs: they generate the revenue and have the structure to sanction such spend, and are entirely within their rights to do so.

The CL money doubles from this year on, which means LFC will continue to lag financially behind the current top 4. I would take Klopp over Rodgers - because Klopp is a better manager- but as disappointing as this season is, in the clear light of day, it's not a failure for Liverpool. Rodgers 'crime' this year is only getting Liverpool to where they should be just now, combined with last year getting them to second quicker than anyone at LFC, especially FSG, could plan properly for.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 20, 2015, 02:15:56 PM »

Now FSG would probably turn to the committee and Rodgers and say, ok, but what about all that money spent on Lovren, Lallana and Ballotelli? That's almost 70 million right there. Where's the return on those guys?

AZ, whilst I agree the return hasn't been great- I would say that any expense there would be recouped

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 19, 2015, 11:15:55 PM »
I can't see them attracting the biggest names in which case he will have to box clever and get very good value out of the market, can't see them being free spending in the mould of Chelsea and City, it's a huge challenge for BR next season

I have to agree with this Tiempo. The funding is simply not there to compete, neither from match day gates nor from the sponsorship deals that are in place. BR is one voice of many in the transfer dealings of the club and despite some remarkable successes, the club has not been able to keep the big name players are moving on, and often without the big fees (suarez aside) that would be needed to put the club on a stronger footing in the transfer market. Either FSG dips into the reserves to fund a couple of high profile names this summer, or Liverpool get lucky and the lack of European football plays into their hands again next year. However last years turmoil at other clubs in unlikely to be repeated. Arsenal and Chelsea should have a stable summer, or some improvement. United and City are expected to pull out the check books and it will be interesting to see how quickly their new squads bed down. Would take a strong improvement in the current squads performance to trouble any of the top 4 teams over the course of a season. There does seem to be a certain spark missing, and the big game temperament that Liverpool for which were famous for many years is no longer there.

I don't feel that any change in management of the senior team alone will have any positive impact on that situation. If there were a change in the investment allied to a "big name" manager, it is possible that a short sharp shock to current players may lift their performance over the next season, that would be an expensive bet by FSG, and not really their SOP.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 19, 2015, 05:02:27 PM »
Looks like liverpool will have to get the Argos catalogue out to find Stevie g an alternative birthday present.  ;)

Real zinger...

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: April 19, 2015, 05:01:12 PM »
Balotelli was about a mile onside there. Thems the breaks. Villa much more committed over the 90.

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General discussion / Re: You know what really grinds my gears?
« on: April 13, 2015, 09:02:20 PM »
here's me wha?

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: April 13, 2015, 07:34:19 PM »


Those definitions are both from the FIFA guidelines on the laws of the game and were repeated by the FA a few years back after the Jonny Evans og when Ba was behind him. Distracting an opponent when in an offside position does not render you offside. The distraction must prevent the opponent playing the ball or being able to play the ball.

Interesting David! Always a good man to go to for the letter of the law!

so the youngster was saying that when the ball is being crossed by Mata, Hart moves towards Rooney and then belatedly back over towards Fallaini. He says that makes him offside but your definition would seem that he was wrong (I'll enjoy this)
Am I right then in saying, that for the ref to give offside Rooney would actually have to actively prevent Hart being able to play the ball, and that the for want of a better word  any "distraction" caused by Rooney would not even come close to meeting that criterion?

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General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
« on: April 12, 2015, 11:35:54 PM »
This has been a phenomenal performance at the Masters from Jordan Spieth, the fact that he is just 21 and has led from pillar to post (first time anyone has done that in nearly 40 years) is nothing short of spectacular.
I don't see anyone coming close to 20 under at the masters in the next ten years. The Augusta team will be raging that he is posting that score.
However Rory must be absolutely raging.
I think we are all pretty sure what he said into his cap when he birdied 18.
My take it with a pinch of salt prediction for the next 10 years is that Spieth will be to Rory what Mickelson was to Woods, world number 2..


p.s.thank you Matsuyama

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: April 12, 2015, 10:42:15 PM »
The rule book would define that as. “Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate. Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball.”
David,
I'm not sure where you get that definition, the row going on here is about this FIFA guideline:
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“Interfering with an opponent” means:
 Preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball. For example, by clearly obstructing the goalkeeper’s line of vision or movement.
Making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent.

this is from FIFA
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/5.%20law%2011_554.pdf
so my little ball buster is telling me that Rooney distracts the opponent (Joe Hart) so it is offside according to fifa.
I'm going with it is not offside because Fellaini was onside and Hart's "distraction" was his own problem...



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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: April 12, 2015, 06:00:20 PM »
great performance by United. Fluid and assured, flip of last year for both teams. City looked lost and struggled, never seeming to have a game plan until perhaps the introduction of Lampard. United handled the early goal well, pressed relentlessly, ran hard at and around both Company and Toure.

Van Gaal definitely out performed Pellegrini, who looks increasingly like a lame duck manager. I would expect a blue half clear out on and off the field this summer.

For the rest of the premier league, ominous for next year from United, must be obvious to the Glazers that the investment in the big name players under the high profile manager brings in results, press coverage, commercial opportunities and the OT match day crowd must be funding the team and increasing the value of the club. Big result for the Glazers and United fans should see huge potential.

As a Liverpool fan I hope the FSG is taking notes

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: April 12, 2015, 05:36:33 PM »
united have made city look ragged today. Surprised that Lampard didn't come on at the half to put a bit of order on the team.

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