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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 10, 2018, 04:23:04 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

I don't think so as players on the u20 & Senior County panels would not be available to the club u21 teams.  Plus the idea of these cup games is to have regular football for the ordinary club player while inter county players are unavailable.  I think this is a good idea in principle and would commend the CCC for their efforts in trying something like this, especially when the training to game ratio is so poor already.  No doubt the format can be tweaked and improved but it will take buy in & feedback from the clubs to make it a success. 


I feel this year could set a marker of how the competition is viewed. If it was taken seriously the competition could grow over the next couple of years to be a worthwhile competitive tournament however I feel if a team (or more than one) pulsl out and it's not taken very seriously then more clubs could feel its not worthwhile next year and rather than get 7 meaningless games over 10 weeks could take a 2-3 week break then get 2-3 tough friendlies lined up the couple of weeks leading upto the 2nd round of league games.

Yeah, it will all depend on how the clubs treat it.  Not a good start with Lavey pulling out already.  Personally I'd have liked to have seen a regional championship  played at this stage in Senior Intermediate & Junior.  Group stages then into quarter/semi Finals.  Short travel times so midweek games could be played & local rivalries with a North/South Derry championship trophy as a prize to give it some importance to the clubs/players

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: May 10, 2018, 03:47:37 PM »
http://derrygaa.ie/fixturesandresults/?countyBoardID=7&compGroupID=51239&leagueTable=y

Is this league cup going to turn out to be a complete farce?  Looks like Lavey has conceded all their games already!?

Surely Lavey could field their fringe players or reserves if they dont want their seniors to compete in this league cup. Or is there a cup competition for reserves as well?

I wouldn't say it'll turn out a complete farce but I certainly don't think it'll go as well as intended.  Many of the club players that I've spoken with would rather have a break from action for a week or two rather than running off another 7 games that have very little meaning. 

Two solutions that I think would improve the overall approach would be to either remove the reserve fixtures in it allowing clubs to field a mix of senior and reserve players, reducing the strain on clubs that don't have big panels (county players aren't able to play in this competition) and allowing older / injured players to take a rest if needed. 
Alternatively, split the divisions into 4 groups of 4 rather than just 2 smaller leagues.  Each club then plays just 3 games which could be held every other weekend allowing players a week off in between and then the winners of each group play in a semi final and final for the "League Cup".

I can understand the thinking behind it but with a few small tweaks it would be even more beneficial to players looking extra games but also keen to have a break in action.
Would this not be a great opportunity to play the u21 competition?

I don't think so as players on the u20 & Senior County panels would not be available to the club u21 teams.  Plus the idea of these cup games is to have regular football for the ordinary club player while inter county players are unavailable.  I think this is a good idea in principle and would commend the CCC for their efforts in trying something like this, especially when the training to game ratio is so poor already.  No doubt the format can be tweaked and improved but it will take buy in & feedback from the clubs to make it a success.     

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General discussion / Re: Travelling to Euro 2016
« on: January 21, 2016, 02:41:44 PM »
Yeah think new home kit is out in March

Current home kit on sale on the FAI website for 30, the old away kits, training gear and leisure wear also on sale

http://www.faishop.com/category/special


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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: October 14, 2015, 03:20:30 PM »
http://www.derrynow.com/sport/derry-forms-games-review-committee-to-address-fixture-problems/49696

Good to see some dialogue about this especially as it will involve players and members of the CCC rather than just club delagates voting whatever way they want at the county convention.

League football has become a bit of a farce in both scheduling by CCC and attitude to the league from clubs (teams conceding games & fielding weakened teams once they are out of the championship and safe from relegation)
The ratio of training to games is shocking, regular games are needed and a fixed schedule so that players and managers can plan things around games. 

The reserve league is a shambles and needs addressed, last league game for most clubs was in June and 1st round of championship only played last weekend.  Is it any wonder we loose so many players after minor level?  Heard someone suggesting recently that Reserve games should be played on a Friday night, probably worth a try, then again do the CCC or the clubs care enough about reserve football to make it work

This could also be the end of the Back Door in the championship...

Any suggestions for improvements in league/championship formats??
 

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: October 01, 2015, 03:04:04 PM »
There was to be 2 teams relegated from the Intermediate league at the start of the year, how come there is only one? 

Did Ballerin not relegate Moneymore in a playoff in early September?



Henry Joys to stay in Intermediate for another season!

Well done to players and management

Well done Moneymore, but a sore one on Drum. Had a fine season, only for the anomaly of having Faughanvale in jr they may well have topped the league.

With the Wolfhounds down, unless Gerry Mullan comes out of retirement, Drum will start as strong favourites to go up next year.

Has the junior final date / venue been confirmed does anyone know?

There was supposed to be 2 teams relegated but CCC made a mistake when sending out official notification to clubs of how relegation would work in Div2 this season, playoffs etc.  Ballerin V Moneymore playoff was therefore cancelled and Ballerin declared safe.  Moneymore then went on to beat Drum in the only playoff.

Top quality administration as usual

Not sure about the administration part of your post but Moneymore did infact play Ballerin in a playoff. Limavady were relegated automatically. Moneymore played Ballerin with the winners safe and the losers (Ballerin won 1-07 to 0-08) to play the 2nd place team in division 3 in a relegation/promotion playoff.

Yeah you are right, my mistake.  Ballerin beat Moneymore, it was originally planned that the loser of that game would be relegated and the winner play Drum in the Playoff, but due to the admin mistake Ballerin were declared safe, Moneymore went into the playoff game with Drum and only 1 team was relegated instead of 2

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: October 01, 2015, 02:47:08 PM »
There was to be 2 teams relegated from the Intermediate league at the start of the year, how come there is only one? 

Did Ballerin not relegate Moneymore in a playoff in early September?



Henry Joys to stay in Intermediate for another season!

Well done to players and management

Well done Moneymore, but a sore one on Drum. Had a fine season, only for the anomaly of having Faughanvale in jr they may well have topped the league.

With the Wolfhounds down, unless Gerry Mullan comes out of retirement, Drum will start as strong favourites to go up next year.

Has the junior final date / venue been confirmed does anyone know?

There was supposed to be 2 teams relegated but CCC made a mistake when sending out official notification to clubs of how relegation would work in Div2 this season, playoffs etc.  Ballerin V Moneymore playoff was therefore cancelled and Ballerin declared safe.  Moneymore then went on to beat Drum in the only playoff.

Top quality administration as usual

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 25, 2015, 04:25:19 PM »
I think Damien, his management team and players have out pride in the jersey and conducted themselves in a professional manner throughout! However I think he has let himself down badly with this public rant!! His concerns should have been delivered Inhouse and a plan put in place to build on a promising 2015 for Derry minors! But before I go onto his genuine issues, was a lack of strength and conditioning for our lads kicking balls over the line, scoring only 1-6 (including a flukey goal) as we looked leggy and didn't push forward enough? We have issues with S&C but I do feel our lads allowed the occasion to get to them a bit! This can happen as they are only young lads and sometimes you can learn more in defeat! Hopefully many of these lads will have bright futures with their clubs and some will continue to wear the county jersey with pride!
Ps I thought Niall Keenan, as he has been all year, was superb!

On the dev squads issue I'm not sure how much focus goes into S&C
I assume it forms a significant part of the training structure!
The dev squads have some fundamental problems within our county

1 Many clubs actively discourage their 15-17 year olds from taking part!
2 Our u17 team was non existent in previous years as lads who didn't make the minor squad dropped out of the process and didn't get involved with u17 squad
3 the u15 / u16 managers will pick who they think are good enough at that stage of their development and these lads will get 2-3 years invested in them, yet a minor manager may deem them as not good enough!
4 the opposite of no 3 is possible where a player chooses not to enter the dev squad process (or not be selected) yet they are then parachuted into the minor panel by the minor mgmt! So these players get to play minor football having not been involved with the Dev squads!
5 is the S&C good enough in these squads??

These are some of the issues
How do we overcome this?
1 have a minor mgmt to do 5 years and oversee what is going on at dev squads! This maybe unrealistic as 5 year plans rarely work!
2 have 4 sets of mgmt teams who take their teams from u15 through to minor! - again not ideal as that would require a lot of men plus would our present minor mgmt, for example, wish to drop back to u15! I can't see it!
3 have a rule that states ALL county minors MUST have been involved in the Dev Squad structure! Can't see this working as minid managers will want, what they see as their best players on the minor panel! Plus this rule would prevent late developers getting on to a minor panel!
4 we must get the best S&C structure in place and monitor it fully to ensure player participation!
5 don't neglect the skills of Gaelic football as lifting weights won't help a player's 1st touch or ability to kick points!

Sorry about the long rant! Getting players through the dev squad process in to minor is complex! It will need continuous development!

Finally I think the more important issue is turning these minors into seasoned senior footballers VIA the county u21's! Now that's another argument altogether!  ::)

Maybe they should focus on the clubs and schools, send the Strength & Conditioning and skills coaches there for weekly sessions instead of development squads which most people agree are not working

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: August 24, 2015, 03:23:50 PM »
Lallana injured apparently, out for up to a month with thigh strain.

Could be a blessing in disguise as he wasn't offering much in the first couple of games but Rodgers seemed intent on persisting with him.

Gives Firmino a possibility of his first start.  Henderson doubtful also, wouldn't be surprised to see midfield three of Milner Can & Lucas.  Mad how they are considering letting Lucas leave without replacing him.

Would be happy with a draw tonight, can see us being under the cosh for a lot of the game

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: August 24, 2015, 01:55:02 PM »
Sorry to go off topic folks but has anyone any idea when the reserve senior championship is being played?

Was originally fixed for Thursday 6th of August.  Usually played after round 2 of the senior championship I think and rattled off every week, although with Senior QF qualifiers scheduled for the week after Round 2 now its hard to know.

So in answer to your question, I have no idea when it will be played

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: July 24, 2015, 02:17:57 PM »
Are there a full round of senior league games this week and next with the championship scheduled to start the week after that?

Yes, League games this weekend

1st round senior championship 13-16th August

It's not a full round, this weekend is supposed to be round 13 of the league but Tonight's game, Banagher Vs Swatragh is a Round 8 game meaning whoever these two teams were supposed to play in round 13 do not have a game.  Not sure of the reasoning behind this, due to upcoming Hurling Championship possibly?  Seems strange none the less

CCC notified clubs that next weekend was also to be used for league fixtures but they could take a notion and cancel them at 10.30pm on Saturday night, its only club league after all

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: July 23, 2015, 12:03:05 PM »
Henry Downey no lazy analysis Shawshank. Far from it. I'm basing it on three things. 1. As a businessman he will build in a great backroom team and delegate accordingly to ensure there are people built in who are top notch. He won't make it all about him. 2. He has the respect of the county for obvious reasons. 3. He was highly involved with John Brennan and Jude Donnelly in taking a very middling Lavey team to within an inch (or a minute) of a county title three years ago. I believe he is the man who can pull your county back together.

Forget about what he has done as a manager. Look what he has achieved in other aspects of sporting and business career. He gets things done.

Is that not obvious enough. With Mickey Moran as his coach if he could entice him. Or is there a problem with Mickey ability too?
I wouldn't have any problem with Henry Downey personally (in fact I'd love to have him involved, as you say he has earned a lot of respect throughout the county) but to simply "forget about what he has done as a manager" is incredibly naive.  With modern systems and tactics as they are, it would be stupid to take a man on purely due to his success as a player and business man (how is this even relevant?).

Also, Lavey haven't even made a county final in almost 20 years so I'm not sure how they were within "an inch (or a minute) of a county title".

Derry's primary problem is that clubs take huge priority over the county set up, particularly in the minds of our players.  Within successful counties, every man in the panel has bought in fully to the idea of the team and will do whatever it takes to be successful and can put personal issues / club rivalries aside; I don't believe this is the case in Derry which means any manager stepping in to the role is fighting a losing battle right from the start.  Until we are able to get past this, Derry will continue to underachieve

This is a running theme on here, is there actually any evidence of this?? I'd be interested to hear examples from this season as to how club football/rivalry contributed to our defeats against Donegal & Galway. 

Could it be that our players just aren't good enough? Or that they are better than results have shown but Management just haven't been able to get the best out of them.

IMO the club thing is just an easy excuse

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Derry / Re: Derry Club football and Hurling
« on: May 16, 2015, 02:47:22 PM »
Was there not a rule brought In this year to try & prevent this? that if a team concedes a league game  they are fined and docked 2points in next seasons league?

Are county players not able to play in this weekends fixtures or what?

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General discussion / Re: Red/Green Deisel
« on: April 17, 2015, 04:29:34 PM »
By the way I'd view speeding as worse than using illegal diesel.

Great point. I speed excessively and frequently and it's a terrible thing to be doing but hard to break the habit. People go on about drink-driving being a horrible thing to do but speeding probably causes more deaths per year than DD.

Would very much agree. Some would class a law breaker as a law breaker, others would see a hierarchy. Personally I would sleep better after filling the car with green diesel rather than pick pocketing someone.

I find it hard to understand why someone would get so annoyed by someone breaking a diesel law. Virtually all other laws are worse to break

Do you see using green or red diesel as a victimless crime?

What about washed diesel, is it ok or not?

It's not a victimless crime.  If the duty received by the Government from the sale of white diesel was sufficient then they would not have to increase the duty in the annual Budgets.  The more red/green is used the easier it is for the Government to justify placing further onerous taxes on us.  Strange as it may seem but I have never run my car on red even though I have been tempted.  Given the proliferation of dipping bastardos down here it's simply would not be worth the risk as I'm always on the road.  And anyway the level of savings in diesel in the South is so high that it would be pure greed to do otherwise.  I simply take the big yoke to the station and fill her and the 4 jerry cans in 1 run and it would fill the 2 cars in 1 go.  If I compared the price I pay to the price in the local station (albeit owned by money grabbing Down gits :P)  it saves me on average 25 a week for the 2 cars. 

If someone wants to put red in it then run it but it's like everything else actions have consequences so be willing to take them.

So its not right for people to run on the red because the UK Gov miss out on the tax and therefore have to increase the duty....  How much tax are the UK gov getting from the clear diesel you are buying in the south??  :o
Is it legal to fill Jerry cans and bring them up North??

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General discussion / Re: Building a house
« on: March 31, 2015, 10:47:21 AM »
A friend of mine has one in on the same scheme. The pellet boiler has give him trouble about 5 times this winter, from sensors failing to not firing up. The last load of pellets were pure dirt and had to be replaced but Balcas would not refund the full amount. He has also has not received any money yet for the cost of the pellets.

I would say to people it may sound an attractive offer with the payment for 7 years but bear in mind that governments change and I have heard talk of this payment been reduced.

Do you know what company he went through to buy/install the boiler or what the make of the boiler is?  The reliability and performance of the boiler would be my main concern about going down the biomass route

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General discussion / Re: Building a house
« on: March 30, 2015, 09:21:33 AM »
Obtained planning permission for a new house.
Considering a log burner for the heating with the renewable heat incentive now available in the North.
Have anyone any opinion on same, or what other form of heating system would be recommended.

Same stage as yourself North Man and considering a wood pellet burner.  The proposed house is story and a half, 2500 sq ft. I sent a copy of my plans to a Renewable Energy company and they gave me a quote of around 5500 for the burner including installation and labour. They done a calculation and estimate that I would get around 900 a year back through RHI for 7 years, plus you get a payment of 2,500 through RHI when the boiler is commissioned.  You would need a garage/shed to house the burner, so if you weren't planning on building one with the house you would have to factor that into the cost as well.

If the RHI calculations I was given are near the mark it seems to make sense financially, and you would think that even after 7 years when the RHI payments stop that you would still be saving as wood pellets are likely to be cheaper than oil, although there isn't much difference in price between the two at the minute.

The main concern I have is the operation of the burner itself, there is a bit more maintenance in them than an oil burner as you have to load them with Bags of pellets and clean them regularly (empty the ash).  That wouldn't be a big deal but from looking online some people were complaining that they had constant issues with the burner and as they aren't as common as oil burners it can cost a fortune to get someone to repair them  http://blog.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/2013/04/10-things-your-installer-wont-tell-you-before-you-purchase-a-biomass-boiler/

So I guess I'm asking the same question, does anybody have any experience of wood pellet burners or know anybody who has one and would be able to advise on whether they are worth it?         

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