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from belfast newsletter

"Ulster Unionist MLA David McNarry last night called on the IFA to "fight tooth and nail" yesterday's judgment .

"The IFA should use the European Courts, appeal to Westminster, make these young players sign a document that they will stick by the IFA that is pouring money and resources into their development – maybe even renegotiate the Belfast Agreement that created this farce," said Mr McNarry."

Sinn Fein chairman of the DCAL committee Barry McElduff said: "It will come as no surprise that the CAS has thrown out this case.

"It was a blatant attempt to deny Irish citizens in the six counties their full rights as Irish passport holders and was doomed to failure from the start."

SDLP MLA Thomas Burns said: "We have consistently argued that footballers should have the right to choose which team to play for, whether that is Northern Ireland or the Republic. It is only right that any footballer is given the freedom to make up their own mind on which country they wish to represent."

But former Belfast lord mayor Jim Rodgers (UUP) – a member of the Glentoran board and of Sport NI – said: "If someone doesn't want to play for you, there isn't much you can do about it. But these young people accept the investment that's poured into their careers at an early stage and should stay with the sporting bodies who helped develop them with time and money.""


apeal to westminister!! does he still think they make the rules? what planet is mcnarry living on.

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1) roscommon
2) down
3) kildare
4) dublin
5) meath
6) it gets called off due to war/famine/end of world

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General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
« on: July 31, 2010, 08:51:50 PM »
didnt go today muppet as i had bigger plans, things didnt work out so good tho..

Harrington dropped from T3 to T5 but is only 3 off the lead. Fisher slipped a bit understandably after his 61. Lowry another good day, pity about the 74 to start.

should be a cracker tomorrow, it will help get over todays defeat a tiny bit ;) harry has a great chance. i love the kileen course and am delighted its holding up so well to the pros. pity about the weather tho

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General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
« on: July 31, 2010, 08:07:04 PM »
didnt go today muppet as i had bigger plans, things didnt work out so good tho..

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What do you think about the ruling itself Myles? Personally I find it absolutely astonishing that anyone would not understand that northern nationalists woulld rather play for the republic. If you have a history of abusing catholic players, surely its the least you'd expect??
The ruling is correct and I understand why the FAI have gone down the road of playing northerners. However, I think the Irish government should have stepped in long ago and warned them off. This issue goes beyond football. If Irish nationalists are serious about unity, then they have to start thinking about persuading northern unionists that their interests will be safe guarded in any all Ireland state. How are we going to do that by taking from them something they prize dearly, namely their football team? You only have to read a few threads on OWC to get a sense of how much bitterness this decision has caused. This was a golden opportunity for the Irish government to be statesman-like and to set aside short term sporting gain in order to gain the trust and respect of the unionist community up here. Unfortunately, it seems that the Dept of Foreign Affairs chose to throw its weight behind the FAI rather than reining it back. So 'we've' won and 'themmuns' have lost and in the process, reunification has been pushed back another couple of decades.

the irish gov dont have the right to 'warn off' the fai from picking people from the north. you cannot treat citizens differently and irish citizens in the north have to be treated the same as irish citizens in the south

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Quarter Final Kerry V Down
« on: July 31, 2010, 04:16:33 PM »
fair play to down, played great and fully deserved their win. marty clarke is some footballer. im as sick as a small hospital with that result but good luck to down

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General discussion / Re: 3G iPhone
« on: July 30, 2010, 11:21:48 PM »
Any hoor know how to group contacts or do they "have an app for that"?

You trying to export them somewhere else?

I use gmail contacts which seems to speak to iTunes which talks to the iPhone (sometimes).
I want to have my contacts like this:
Friends (0)
Work (20)
Now on to liars (100)

for example.

have you really no friends?

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General discussion / Re: blow for "Our Wee Country"
« on: July 30, 2010, 11:18:26 PM »
from the bbc:

"Fifa rules include a clause allowing players to change nationality once before they play a senior competitive match if they were born "on the territory of the relevant association".

The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 provided for Northern Ireland-born people to claim either British or Irish nationality.

Kearns, who attended the CAS hearing, was released by English club West Ham last season."

the above quote should be handed out to unionists households who still havent grasped the gfa. the relevant territory for irish nationality/passports is the 32 counties of ireland.

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General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread
« on: July 30, 2010, 11:07:27 PM »
super super day at the irish open today, very well put together despite the iffy weather. those guys are good...

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Big Rab is probably some blue wkd addled spide from a loyalist cesspit so his comments are probably best ignored. Despite the terms and conditions of that site forbidding offensive comment you could bet your life he won't get a ban as everyone knows that site is administered by tramps.
 OWC have a serious inferiority complex, and how could they not, playing that rat infested shithole in South Belfast.

The funny part is that these boys are cowards and know they'd get
The same medicine the English got when they started their nonsense in Lansdowne.
The site is better moderated than this one by quite a distance. You wouldn't away with the personal abuse, threats and invitations to have a fight that go on here. Not for a second.

some of the stuff posted on that site is vile and beyond comprehension and you know it, yet you still feel the need to defend it? why?
You think this site is all sweetness and light? There are certainly a few posters on OWC with extreme loyalist views, but these would be challenged by other posters fairly quickly. Equally there are ones on here with extreme republican views, people who would quite happily justify the murders committed by republican paramilitaries. I happen to find that pretty vile, don't you?

any objective observer would tell you this site is telly tubbies in comparsion to the bitterness, ignorance and sickening hatred that exists on owc. delusion and denial is one thing, the bile on that site isnt acceptable in this day and age. tick toc for them because the world has moved on

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Big Rab is probably some blue wkd addled spide from a loyalist cesspit so his comments are probably best ignored. Despite the terms and conditions of that site forbidding offensive comment you could bet your life he won't get a ban as everyone knows that site is administered by tramps.
 OWC have a serious inferiority complex, and how could they not, playing that rat infested shithole in South Belfast.

The funny part is that these boys are cowards and know they'd get
The same medicine the English got when they started their nonsense in Lansdowne.
The site is better moderated than this one by quite a distance. You wouldn't away with the personal abuse, threats and invitations to have a fight that go on here. Not for a second.

some of the stuff posted on that site is vile and beyond comprehension and you know it, yet you still feel the need to defend it? why?

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General discussion / Re: McDonell in Indo has a pop at Thomas Davis
« on: July 30, 2010, 08:44:56 PM »
Here is something I have always wanted to know. I have lived in 4 different counties and have played both Football and Soccer in each. The majority of Soccer players were also GAA players. But within each soccer club there were always a couple that had this unreal hatred of the GAA. The game the stadiums the fact that the GAA could get more from the community than the soccer. Where I live now the GAA and soccer has a good relationship as they share a lotto but still there are chips on shoulders of a few. Never really got the same impression from the GAA side of things.

i have found that to be very true, i have to say iinitally i was shocked that some irish people could have such an unreal hatred ( couldnt put it better) for everything the gaa did and stood for. i remember talking to a a guy one night and thinking to myself ian paisley would be a better friend to the gaa. i used to get upset by it now i just ignore them. dublinfella is a prime example

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General discussion / Re: Tax i.e. robbing b*stards
« on: July 29, 2010, 08:48:09 PM »
make sure your employer is taxing you on a cumulative basis and it will even out over the year.

prsi and levies are a different matter btw, wont get that back which can be significant

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 29, 2010, 08:44:47 PM »
speaking of fantasies - Pakistan is trying to get reality going

Clampdown on TV shows peddling conspiracy theories

ROB CRILLY

ISLAMABAD LETTER: Proposed media Bill will stamp out criticism of the government as well as Pakistan’s raucous new talk shows, say opponents

THE CIA was responsible for crashing two airliners into the twin towers on 9/11. Indian spies are the hidden hand behind terror attacks blamed on Pakistan. And Islamabad is riddled with Blackwater agents on covert operations.

Every evening millions of people sit down to watch Pakistan’s burgeoning number of TV talk shows, which peddle a popular line in conspiracy theories, paranoia and anti-American sentiment.

But now the government is planning a controversial media clampdown to rein in the shock jocks and curb what ministers believe is a dangerous tendency to glamorise terrorism.

The proposed Pakistan electronic media regulatory authority Bill would ban live coverage of militant attacks and the broadcast of anything “defamatory against the organs of the state” – a broad definition opponents believe will stamp out criticism of the government and the raucous new shows.

“There’s no doubt about it,” said Zaid Hamid, one of the country’s most colourful and controversial talk show hosts, “the target is programmes like mine.”

The issue cuts to the core of modern Pakistan, an often conservative Muslim society grappling with democracy after a decade of military rule. The government is struggling to contain a growing extremist threat and knows its close relationship with the US puts it at constant risk of a backlash.

Conspiracy theories are popular among a population that views the American-led war on terror with suspicion.

With his red hat and grey goatee, Hamid is one of the most recognisable – and feared – of the new breed of presenter.

He coined the term Hindu Zionist to describe the Israeli and Indian forces he believes are allied in a plot to destabilise Pakistan. And he has repeatedly advocated invading India.

His show, Brass Tacks , which focuses on the country’s military establishment, was massively popular with young people but was pulled recently after protests from student groups who believed he was intent on creating a cult of personality.

He is also under investigation in a murder case, allegations he believes are politically motivated.

“I am being lent on all the time by people with a pro-US agenda just because I tell the truth they don’t want to hear,” he said.

Other controversial figures include Hamid Mir, host of Capital Talk , who is revered as one of Pakistan’s most influential journalists. Hillary Clinton and Osama bin Laden are among his interviewees. Indeed, he was the last journalist to interview bin Laden. However, his access to al- Qaeda-linked militants has led many to question whether he is a sympathiser with their extremist position. A tape recording surfaced recently of a phone conversation he is alleged to have had with Jihadi gunmen, apparently urging them to kill a hostage. He claims the tape is faked. The phenomenon is relatively new. Dozens of private channels sprouted during the early 2000s under former president Pervez Musharraf. Today they number almost 100.

As they chase ratings and advertising, the presenters have become more extreme. News shows try to outdo each other with gory images of dead bodies or interviews with militant leaders. The result is a major problem for a government in Islamabad which has belatedly woken up to the threat posed by militant groups to its own existence – after years funding Jihadi organisations in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani general who now works as a political analyst, said the shows were fomenting strong destabilising forces.

“The government doesn’t have the political will to say they are on the right course, whether that’s about tackling militants or a close relationship with the US.

“That leaves these hosts to operate in a vacuum, and they can develop their own narrative – anti-western, anti-American, anti-government, anti-democracy.”

The new government, under President Asif Ali Zardari, had until now been content to leave well alone, hoping self-regulation would be enough as the new industry began to mature. Attempts to introduce voluntary codes of conduct have stalled. Farahnaz Ispahani, a member of the ruling party who sits on the standing committee on information and broadcasting, said the legislation was part of the war on terror, designed to stop militants using the airwaves.

“One view is that the problem is the owners don’t give a damn about anything other than ratings, so they want their programmes and news shows to be as sensationalist as possible,” she said. “On the other hand, the party believes in media freedom so it’s a complicated issue.” Offenders could be sentenced to up to three years in jail or a fined a maximum of 10 million rupees (€90,000). That leaves government and media squaring up for a clash. Mazhar Abbas, deputy director of news and current affairs at the ARY channel, said the proposals would be challenged. “The media will not accept any form of suppression from the government,” he said.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: July 29, 2010, 08:38:42 PM »



there are bigger thicks on this thread o neill

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