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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 23, 2018, 02:48:40 AM »
Which can only mean that there weren't enough armed guards at the school.

That is precisely how the gun nuts are going to frame this one.

Yep.  And once we arm teachers, how long before we hear the call to allow students to carry guns to school? After all, what if the teacher flips on all of those unarmed kids in the classroom? Best if they all have guns to protect themselves.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: February 23, 2018, 12:06:21 AM »
Hour long discussion between Jim Risen and Glenn Greenwald on the alleged Russian interference in the US election. Well worth your time (after the first 5 minutes or so, anyway).

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/21/video-glenn-greenwald-and-james-risen-debate-the-trumprussia-investigation/

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 23, 2018, 12:04:16 AM »
Which can only mean that there weren't enough armed guards at the school.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 22, 2018, 02:40:09 AM »
The issue is that it's a law, and to change a law, you need to get it past both houses and the Presidency.  While I'm no apologist for the Democratic Party, since the 90's, other than that first two years of Obama's administration, the Democrats haven't had majorities in both houses together with the Presidency.  And for those two years, they focused on getting healthcare change.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-ryan-florida-school-shooting_us_5a85a586e4b0ab6daf46cbaa

Known as the Dickey Amendment, after former Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark.), the law states that “none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control.” 

 
   

 

It's still there apparently.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 22, 2018, 02:06:21 AM »
The problem with this very reasonable approach is that Republicans have prevented this very data from being collected by the relevant government agency.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/?utm_term=.f5eb3d6a3f84

From the above:

In 1996, the Republican-majority Congress threatened to strip funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unless it stopped funding research into firearm injuries and deaths. The National Rifle Association accused the CDC of promoting gun control. As a result, the CDC stopped funding gun-control research — which had a chilling effect far beyond the agency, drying up money for almost all public health studies of the issue nationwide.

The National Institute of Justice, an arm of the U.S. Department of Justice, funded 32 gun-related studies from 1993 to 1999, but none from 2009 to 2012, according to Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The institute then resumed funding in 2013, in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting the year before. Researchers in search of private funding say they know to avoid the word “gun” or “firearm” in the titles of violence-prevention studies to avoid blowback.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 21, 2018, 10:27:36 PM »
Pardon my ignorance but how would the normal law abiding concerned citizen even go about getting a constitution changed?

It's a long road.  Only one amendment has ever been repealed. Here's what the constitution says (basically you need 2/3 of the senate and house of reps to agree to propose the amendment, and 3/4 of the 50 states (38 of them) to agree to repeal.  It's all but impossible to see this in the current climate.) 

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

There it is again. Defeatism. It-will-never-happen-ism. This is what the NRA and their right wing media scumbags want you to think. They tried for years to do the same with socialized medicine, but we are now one presidential election away from actually achieving it. And with the anti-Trump feeling in the country at fever pitch, I'd say the chances of repealing the 2nd are better now than they ever have been. Mid-term elections are not so far off, and I'll be surprised if there's not a Democratic landslide.

I think you're wrong about how close we are to socialized medicine.  But let's suppose you're right.  That is significantly easier to bring about than would be a second amendment repeal.  Socialized medicine would require only (!) a determined Democratic President with majorities in the senate and house.  A wave election could bring that about.

But to even propose a repeal of the second, you'd need 2/3 majorities in both the senate and house.  And that's not factoring in Democrats who would fear to vote for such a proposal for fear of losing their seats in purple or red districts.  And that's just to propose the amendment.  For it to pass, you need 38 states to agree. Which are the 38 states whose lawmakers are going to vote for this?  It has next to no chance.

Not only is the repeal idea extremely unlikely to work, it isn't even necessary, at least if the concern is getting semi-automatic (and fully automatic) arms out of the hands of the general public.  A number of states already ban such weapons, and the supreme court has rejected challenges to the effect that such bans are unconstitutional.(https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-allows-new-york-connecticut-assault-weapons-ban/)  So, like the surviving students from Florida have seen, the best tactical approach  for achieving meaningful progress here is at the state level.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 21, 2018, 04:10:56 PM »
Yep.  Would need landslide Democratic victories both in Congress and in 38 state Houses.  Who would then need the balls to follow through...

No harm trying, of course, but it seems like the least likely attempt to solve the gun problem here.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 21, 2018, 03:59:01 PM »
Pardon my ignorance but how would the normal law abiding concerned citizen even go about getting a constitution changed?

It's a long road.  Only one amendment has ever been repealed. Here's what the constitution says (basically you need 2/3 of the senate and house of reps to agree to propose the amendment, and 3/4 of the 50 states (38 of them) to agree to repeal.  It's all but impossible to see this in the current climate.) 

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 17, 2018, 12:43:43 AM »
Sweden is a major arms exporter. Third biggest per capita in the world. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Jim Gavin joins up with Mickey Harte
« on: February 15, 2018, 05:11:28 PM »
I thought more of you would be happy you didn't have to listen to Gavin after Dublin matches.  No pleasing some people.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Cillian O'Connor
« on: February 15, 2018, 03:19:29 AM »
He's one of the main reasons Mayo ran Dublin so close the past two years. Superb point to level the first game in2016, and didn't he score quite a few points in 2017 final? Definitely too fond of the elbows though.

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: February 14, 2018, 07:33:18 PM »
Donnie has a wonderfully generous lawyer it seems!

Must be nice alright  :)

Given Trump's tendency to not pay his creditors, the lawyer's claim that he ended up paying out of his own pocket might actually be true.

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General discussion / Re: The Official Daddies Club
« on: February 11, 2018, 01:42:50 AM »
Frankly, I don't think I'll make it till then.  But if I do, I'll let you know.

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General discussion / Re: The Official Daddies Club
« on: February 11, 2018, 01:34:45 AM »
Officially, he's two.  But he's been around for at least ten years as far as I can tell.

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General discussion / Re: The Official Daddies Club
« on: February 11, 2018, 01:17:12 AM »
Indeed I do.  Have you?

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