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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: Today at 07:53:35 AM »
https://www.ft.com/content/5a649ddc-ff0a-11e8-ac00-57a2a826423e

During more than two hours of talks over dinner, EU leaders agreed to scrap plans for a formal process to provide reassurances to Britain until Mrs May decided what she wants.“This debate is sometimes nebulous and imprecise,” said Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president. “When it comes to the future relationship, our British friends need to say what they want, rather than asking us what we want.”
When it comes to the future relationship, our British friends need to say what they want, rather than asking us
Michel Barnier, EU chief Brexit negotiator, claimed that Mrs May was not seeking reassurances but was reviving old ideas rejected during Brexit negotiations. One EU diplomat briefed on the talks said Mrs May was “unprofessional”.Another EU diplomat claimed that there was even a suggestion that it might have been better if Mrs May had been ejected from Downing Street in this week’s abortive coup by Tory Eurosceptics. “She didn’t know what she wanted,” the diplomat said. Mrs May insisted during her presentation that she could change the “dynamic” at Westminster and overcome a wall of hostility in her ruling Conservative party towards her compromise plan.She urged the EU27 to offer a legal tweak that would, in effect, put a one-year time limit on the Irish backstop, which is seen by Eurosceptic MPs as a “trap” to keep the UK in a permanent customs union.But her presentation, which also included a suggestion that the non-binding political declaration on future UK/EU relations should be given a legal footing as an annexe to the legal withdrawal treaty, went down badly.“It was Salzburg all over again,” said another EU diplomat, referring to the acrimonious summit in September.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 13, 2018, 08:50:58 PM »

(1) A UI should only happen with a supermajority.

Don't you support the GFA then?

Do I have to support every word in every line to broadly agree with it?

There was a supermajority in 1918 and it was ignored by the Brits. Never again. 50%+1 is all the 'supermajority' that's needed
There wasn't even a bare majority for an independent Irish state in the 1918 General Election. Sinn Fein only got 46.9% of the vote.

The Irish Parliamentary Party supported Home Rule, not an independent state outside the United Kingdom.

One third of the Sinn Fein MPs were returned unopposed to the 46.9% greatly understates Sinn Fein support.
It may well do.

But on actual votes, they didn't have a majority.

Had those seats been contested, it's unlikely they would have got much more than 55% of the total vote, if even that.

It was was claimed by another poster that they had a "supermajority".

A "supermajority" is a very nebulous concept.

55% would certainly have been a decent majority, but I think by any definition of what a "supermajority" is, 55% isn't it.

In my imagination a "supermajority" would be two-thirds of the vote plus one, or at minimum the 60% that the US Senate classes as a "supermajority".

Even in a UI Antrim and Down would never be like Tipp and Cork
There is always going to be some sort of sharing.
NI is too unstable otherwise

It will be interesting to see what the Brexit fallout for the DUP will be. The party has been publicly humiliated.
The Euros walked all over May. She asked for her red lines and they gave them back to her, good and hard. The DUP are wasting their time asking for concessions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzHmXaUSL6o

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GAA Discussion / Re: Half Parishes
« on: December 13, 2018, 07:15:49 AM »
Agreed that it is only club in that parish but I was trying to make the point that the club is not named after the parish where a lot of clubs are named after the parish and not the major settlement within the parish eg Clonduff not Hilltown. Conversely there are probably as many not using the parish name.

This year three teams from the "old" Clonallon parish contested the Down SFC semi finals ie Burren CPN and Mayobridge probably a rare occurrence for something like this to happen. Anyone know if any other county can claim a similar situation?
There must be special football DNA in that Clonallon parish. Burren were twice all Ireland club champions and Mayobridge produced Mr Linden and Mr O Hare.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 13, 2018, 06:53:03 AM »
peoples vote is the only way to get a consensus on this!

There was a peoples vote.

That's what got us into this mess in the first place.
It is.

It should never, ever have been held.

But conversely, another one is the only real chance of getting out of the mess caused by the first one.

The ref vote was about an idea with no detail and it was supported enthusiastically by most of post industrial N and Mid England.
These people have been shafted for over a generation.

The UK can have a people’s vote but unless it deals with the despair behind the leave vote the chaos will continue

A popular vote won’t put the genie back in the bottle

https://mobile.twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1071013456948707328

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GAA Discussion / Re: Leinster Club SFC 2018
« on: December 12, 2018, 09:11:26 AM »
Yet the recent weekends have been just what the club championship has ideally been about for most of its nearly 50 years of official history – not necessarily David sling-shooting Goliath (although that as well) but the sense of a great honour being shared around, with only a small minority of clubs able to regenerate and challenge on a regular basis.


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-mullinalaghta-and-gaoth-dobhair-restore-the-magic-of-christmas-1.3728013

In Leinster, for instance, only three counties have yet to win a provincial club football title, Louth, Kilkenny and Wexford – ironic given that the All-Ireland trophy is named after the late Castletown and Wexford footballer Andy Merrigan, whose club donated the eponymous cup.

That ideal sends a specific message. Somewhere around the country are club catchments which without explanation or warning fire up a generation of particularly talented players – or in Mullinalaghta’s case a critical mass of male children.

Painstakingly developed and nurtured, they may grow to give their community a place in the spotlight that reflects pride on all concerned, fires the imagination of local children, and intensifies bonds with those from home scattered elsewhere on this island and planet.

The spotlight will inevitably move elsewhere, but its glow will bathe each parish and half-parish that it touches in perpetuity.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 11, 2018, 03:48:24 PM »
from the start the NI economy had difficulties. Under the GOI Act they had to make an imperial contribution which was about £8 million. This nearly threatened bankruptcy. The Unionist government sought a reduction in this but the British Government was less than sympathetic.
After the war there was a collapse in Industry and this caused a large jump in unemployment. The Unionist government wanted to match the British government's welfare programme but this was a disaster financially. by the end of 1923 the Unemployment fund was insolvent.
In 1925 the Colwyn award was introduced. N.I would make a instead of an imperial contribution, one based on domestic expenditure. this bought some stability but the 1930's created economic problems
The British government also made a financial contribution to the Special Constabulary due to the increased violence. The 'Belfast boycott' also brought economic problems as the south put economic pressure on the north in response to the expulsion of catholic workers from the shipyards.

Not sure if it answers the question but it suggests from the start that there were economic problems in the north from the start.
Thanks

NI is too small to be viable imo

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 11, 2018, 01:56:40 PM »
And, seafoid, like Blanche DuBois, the North has “always depended on the kindness of strangers” 🇬🇧
You said it, Oraisteach

Well lets hope the South doesnt need a bail out, oh wait  :o

We need a bail out every year MR2.

The DUP are proud of that fact.
When did the UK start funding NI ie when was NI no longer able to fund itself?
It hadquite a strong economy 100 years ago.

Good point but what country doesn’t have a deficit now it’s the norm especially non EU ones.

But not 27% of GDP

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 11, 2018, 11:21:03 AM »
And, seafoid, like Blanche DuBois, the North has “always depended on the kindness of strangers” 🇬🇧
You said it, Oraisteach

Well lets hope the South doesnt need a bail out, oh wait  :o

We need a bail out every year MR2.

The DUP are proud of that fact.
When did the UK start funding NI ie when was NI no longer able to fund itself?
It hadquite a strong economy 100 years ago.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 11, 2018, 11:16:28 AM »
And, seafoid, like Blanche DuBois, the North has “always depended on the kindness of strangers” 🇬🇧

Here is Blanche Dodds from the Telegraph

She doesn't want realism. She wants magic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/11/theresa-may-actually-listening-would-know-backstop-assurances/
If Theresa May was actually listening, she would know that backstop 'assurances' are not enough
•   
Nigel Dodds
11 December 2018 • 6:00am
We take no pleasure from this position. We want an orderly exit from the European Union and we want stable government for the United Kingdom. Yesterday, however, summed up the chaos which has been the hallmark of this Prime Minister.
Despite our warnings, she trundled along towards an historic defeat on the Withdrawal Agreement. Then at the last minute she backed away from a vote.
Wednesday 14 November was arguably the high-water mark for the Withdrawal Agreement when the Prime Minister received the backing of Cabinet for the deal. That support, however, only came after a five-hour marathon meeting.
Since then there have been Cabinet resignations and an almost daily series of MPs announcing that they cannot back the deal. It has been clear for several weeks now that the Withdrawal Agreement did not have the support of the House of Commons and clear for many days that it was facing heavy defeat.
Some of us used the last two weeks to argue that the Prime Minister needed to look beyond the current Withdrawal Agreement and seek a better deal. We were ignored by Downing Street.
The Prime Minister did not listen. That time has now been wasted. Instead, the Government roadshow toured the country and online adverts were pumped out telling us the only choice was between the Prime Minister’s deal or a so-called “no deal”. That was a foolish strategy.
The Attorney General’s advice on this legally binding text laid bare that the backstop would not be temporary and how the Withdrawal Agreement failed the Prime Minister’s own previous commitments. Still we were told the Withdrawal Agreement was as good as it gets.
Those arguments by the Prime Minister now lie in tatters.
Yesterday the Prime Minister told us that she would return to Brussels to seek reassurances about the backstop but at the same time told us that this was a good deal for the United Kingdom. We don’t need more reassurances.
No reassurance will prevent, as the Attorney General said, Great Britain being “essentially treated as a third country by Northern Ireland for goods passing from GB into NI.”
The Prime Minister should have known before the Withdrawal Agreement was signed that it would not work.
Last December, we advised her not to sign up to the Joint Report, which contained a commitment to introduce backstop arrangements which could create barriers between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. She was aware of why there was an insistence by the Democratic Unionist Party that Paragraph 50 should be inserted into the Joint Report. That paragraph, however, and its impact were not translated across to the Withdrawal Agreement.
The focus on the dangerous backstop continued despite statements from all sides that no-one would erect the so-called “hard border” on the island of Ireland. London, Dublin and Brussels all agree that they will not build a border in any circumstance.
If the Prime Minister was actually listening, she would realise that the problem is with the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement.
Mrs May will go to Brussels without having held the meaningful vote in Parliament. She cannot return to Parliament having secured only meaningless assurances from the European Union.
If the Prime Minister uses this deferment to simply repackage the Withdrawal Agreement, she will suffer more trouble on her return.
The backstop is just as unacceptable now as it was last December. It is not a continued defence of the Withdrawal Agreement that is required, but substantive change of this legally binding text.
That can be the concrete proof that Parliament and the public need to show that the Prime Minister really is listening.
 
Nigel Dodds MP is the Westminster leader of the Democratic Unionist Party

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 11, 2018, 10:40:51 AM »
And, seafoid, like Blanche DuBois, the North has “always depended on the kindness of strangers” 🇬🇧
You said it, Oraisteach

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GAA Discussion / Re: Half Parishes
« on: December 11, 2018, 07:32:23 AM »
So what exactly is a half parish?

It is  50% of a parish, whether by area or  population, I'm not sure.

It’s neither. A “half parish”is part of a parish that traditionally would have its own church and curate. The GAA organised along parish and “half parish” lines and in many areas there were were 2 or more clubs within a parish area. I started playing with a club that was a “half parish “ club though could be described more accurately as a “third of a parish” from either a population or area perspective.

There were 5 hurling clubs in the parish of Athenry at one stage in the 50s
I think it was linked to personality clashes.
Now there is one club.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Half Parishes
« on: December 11, 2018, 07:29:52 AM »
Castlerahan who won their first senior championship this year is half a parish with the other half forming as Munterconnacht in junior championship. Mountnugent in Cavan is half a parish with the other half in Meath and play as Ballinacree.

Mullinaghta and Gowna would be a small parish anyway as half it is  a lake but Gowna are a strong senior club in Cavan with an abundance of young talent at the moment so together they'd form some team.

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A touch of uaisleacht from Abbeylara

Far classier than St Lomans last year


Abbeylara GAA Club

@AbbeyGAA
Dec 10

Massive congratulations to our near neighbors Mullinalaghta on an outstanding achievement today in Tullamore - it was no more than you deserved and you never gave up which was the difference at the end of the...
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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 10, 2018, 09:54:49 PM »
Sammy Wilson has just said on C4 News that the backstop proposal as it is currently proposed will lead to reunification of Ireland.

Smokin’ Joe- are the DUP taking any notice of industry groups at all?

The DUP and the brexit heads are living a fantasy

Blanche Dubois in a streetcar named desire says “ I don’t want realism. I want magic” That is basically where Arlene is even if she is Protestant. It is total WTF


https://youtu.be/Sp_ZkjTIRiI


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Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: December 10, 2018, 03:23:30 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-mullinalaghta-miracle-the-greatest-club-story-ever-told-37610027.html

Eamonn Sweeney: 'Mullinalaghta miracle: The greatest club story ever told'

This is not just a win for Longford champions, this is for all of the country's forgotten places

Eamonn Sweeney 


December 10 18
 
It's the greatest club story ever told. That the champions of Longford, population 40,810, could beat the champions of Dublin, population 1.35 million, is unlikely enough. But that these Longford champions would represent the smallest club in the GAA's second-smallest county brings the tale into the realm of fantasy. Or maybe even science fiction.


Mullinalaghta's urban hub consists of a church, two pubs and a community centre. There is no shop. The entire parish is three miles long and has 440 inhabitants.

A club from this 'half-parish' beating the epitome of a city super-club, one which breezed through Dublin and Leinster with an average winning margin of seven points, is the kind of scenario Hollywood might reject on plausibility grounds.

But it's really happened. The club championship has never witnessed a result like it.

All week Mullinalaghta were praised for their achievement in reaching this final. But deep down you feared for them.

Even when they got to half-time on level terms the prevailing emotion was, 'phew, at least they shouldn't get too big a beating now.'

The outsiders faced a strong wind in the second half against opposition who, after a rocky spell early in the second quarter, controlled possession expertly in the 10 minutes before the break.

You waited for Kilmacud to open up and move away. But Mullinalaghta, as they've done throughout their history, hung in there against the odds.

Still, when Pat Burke put Crokes three up with 10 minutes left there seemed an inevitability about the result.

Mullinalaghta kept hanging in there. And when, with five minutes left, David McGivney kicked a massive point to close the gap to two, an alternative ending suggested itself. They couldn't, could they?

The Longford men won a free around half-way. John Keegan quickly slipped it to James McGivney who played a pass to Jayson Matthews.
   
Matthews transferred the ball perfectly to David McGivney who hurtled down the middle like a man feeling the hand of destiny at his back.

McGivney found Aidan McElligott who was about to pull the trigger when Cian O'Sullivan committed a professional foul.

In the semi-final Crokes goalkeeper David Nestor saved a last-minute penalty from Portlaoise's Craig Rogers to win the game.

Another Rogers stepped up to take this kick. Wing-forward Gary, cool as a man kicking around on the beach, wrote his name into the history books by sending Nestor the wrong way.

In that glorious moment the little club's hard history was celebrated and redeemed.

Now the favourites buckled while the underdogs rampaged.

McElligott added another point and Mullinalaghta could have scored a couple more. It didn't matter. Mission impossible had been accomplished.

Disbelief reigned. "Oh my God, didn't they deliver," said winning manager Mickey Graham, wearing the merrily stunned expression of a Lotto winner.

"No-one ever dreamed that this day would come," said captain Shane Mulligan who seemed close to tears as he began his victory speech.

You didn't need to be from the half-parish to know how he felt.

This was 2018's quintessential GAA moment. Because it's not big Croke Park finals which make the Association unique.

Plenty of other sports have days like that. What seems exclusive to the GAA is the perpetual connection between top and bottom.

Players like Paul Mannion and Cian O'Sullivan who've performed in front of 80,000 spectators still have to prove themselves at club level against players who've never played in front of 8,000.

Mannion's duel with Patrick Fox epitomised this. When the Dublin superstar won the first couple of balls he seemed to have too much pace and class for the Mullinalaghta full-back. Yet that was it for Mannion.

Policing him diligently and honestly, sticking close and reading the game superbly, Fox blotted out his man and held him scoreless from play.

Clubs like Mullinalaghta illustrate why the GAA matters so much.

There are places where the club is important to the local community. But in the Mullinalaghtas of this world, the club is the community.

Without the club what identity would a place like Mullinalaghta have? Only the GAA can do this.

We woke up yesterday morning to headlines emphasising the ugly side of sport as the fans of a team based in a huge city, owned by an oligarch and staffed by millionaires dragged their club's name into the gutter.

Today's headlines should be about a little club from a little place who showed the beauty of sport, part of which is that it can neither be scripted nor preordained.

Miraculous

The miraculous is always possible.

This was a win not just for Mullinalaghta but for small clubs everywhere.

The triumph of such clubs is often just staying the course when they might long ago have opted for the comforts of amalgamation with some larger entity. Days like yesterday reward their courage.

It is also a victory for the country's forgotten places, where the broadband is slow, the post offices have been closed and the youngsters are leaving.

Were it not for the club, said star player James McGivney during the week, most of Mullinalaghta's team would have emigrated.

Instead they have travelled back from all over the country in pursuit of a dream. Corner-back Conan Brady has paid his way home from Leeds for eight years to be part of the quest.

People like this deserve everything. Mullinalaghta's underdog story is the one to beat them all. They've shown us no club is too small if its heart is big enough.

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