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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 05, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »
Sunday life today.
Certainly makes for intresting reading

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: June 12, 2020, 02:38:07 PM »
The drawing of clubs into groups randomly, is just that too random!  You could end up with two imbalanced groups
Would it not have been reasonable to use last years league placings  and go 1 3 5 7 9 11 13 15  places in one group and the evens in another .
Valid point

The exact nonsense right-wing cliches I expected, ie, "where does it stop?", the dumb whataboutery and deflection, have been trotted out here ad nauseum.

We've even had it argued that if GAA clubs were no longer named after John Mitchel, the pyramids of Egypt would then have to be knocked down.

Like, where do you even start with that sort of stuff.

What we haven't had yet is any sort of a serious argument as to why GAA clubs should continue to be named after a vile propagandist for racism and slavery.

So if a unionist in the North objected to a team or a ground being named after a Republican, should the name be changed? Yes or no?

That is obviously something that various unionists have raised over the years about the GAA. No one gave a shit because the unionists were never going to join or show much of an interest in GAA anyway. And its not like they don't have plenty of skeletons in their own closet, between institutional sectarianism, loyalist paramilitaries and various sectarian fraternal orders.

The debate here is whether WE, as members of the GAA community, should be looking at this issue.

So do you think this is an issue for the members of the “offending“ club to address or do you think that people who dont belong to the club club should also have a say?

What if the club holds a vote, and the members vote to retain their name?  Do you respect their wishes?
What GAA clubs name themselves after is the business of the members of that club and no one else be it Saint, Patriot or Patron

John Mitchel must be judged in the context of his contribution to the people of Ireland and his contribution to the cause of Irish Freedom, a man who helped aid the plight of Irish Catholic’s and unite them with their Protestant countrymen and neighbours. A man who influence Padraic Pearse it’s on this contribution he ought to be judged and not his politics in another country which he had little influence in. While no doubt his support of slavery was wrong it must be judged through the prism and experiences Mitchel himself witnessed in his own life. Acknowledge John Mitchel wasn’t perfect but remember John Mitchel the Republican and Patriot who contributed and sacrificed for Ireland

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: February 27, 2020, 11:46:32 AM »
Coalisland 3s work same as Errigal, they have to submit a panel who are then not eligible to play for the main senior team (But can play for Senior Reserves) - Is that the working of it?

No they cant play for Senior reserves, its one panel or the other

Senior/ Senior Reserves
Junior/ Junior Reserves
During a year however a player can be re graded to play for the team above or team below as long as this happens by 1st July. See below from CCC Regulations

Where a club enters a third (and fourth) team into the adult competitions, they must name a
panel of 40 players prior to the commencement of the competition, compliant with Rule 6.2
T.O. 2018, who may not play for their third (or fourth) team.
- Where a player on the ‘list of 40’ has not played for either the clubs first team or
reserve team before 1st July, they may be permitted to regrade to the
third/fourth team with permission of CCC.
- Where a player, not on the ‘list of 40’, plays for the first and/or reserve team,
they may not subsequently play for the thirds or fourths team.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: February 20, 2020, 12:00:49 PM »
When do they announce league fixtures then? How many confirmed dates should we expect for the league?

It will follow in the coming weeks, they'll have to work in the Championship draws into the first few rounds of the league fixtures so suitable time is left between so as to avoid any potential bother with clubs targeting / niggle etc.
Usually comes out in first week in March. Didnt happen like that last year, was a few examples where the championship draws for first round actually had their league game played after the championship

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: February 14, 2020, 08:51:52 AM »
what sort of money are the top afl players on

Millions of Aussie dollars between contract and sponsorships. McKenna is in the top 10 best players at his club so big money would have been on the horizon. He’s mad in the head moving home if he’s just homesick. If there is something else more serious then it’s totally understandable to come home.

I don't think he is anywhere near earning millions of Aussie Dollars. But he would still be earning good money. But life isn't all about money and it sounds like he's been struggling out there for a long time. 5 years is a long time for a lad to go away from home if he's not happy. You can't put a price tag for example on spending time with family and friends. Hopefully he makes the decision which is best for himself. If he does want home hopefully he can get a good education and job. It would be great to see him back in a Tyrone shirt.
Forget about him playing for anyone other than Essendon in the immediate future, he's definitely playing for them again when the season starts. Hopefully see him with Tyrone at some stage but won't be happening while he is still under contract which runs til the 2021 season.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:54:29 PM »
a large number of tyrone clubs entered into the ulster league this year, not sure if there has ever been so many
Cookstown setting their stall out early i see going to the ulster junior section. Surely theyd be fit for Ulster intermediate league if they had any ambitions of making an inroads in division 3 this year. Typical enough of them i suppose.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 22, 2020, 03:35:43 PM »
Ive said it before on here and I will say it again, I think its just time to scrap reserve football in Tyrone. 

I would have previously said that the county board didn't give a fcuk about reserve football / players but fair play to them on this occasion in that they had really put in some effort to come up with a viable and exciting solution / proposal to what was a dying competition.  I had no idea though that the clubs themselves are the real ones who do not give a toss about reserve football or essentially their reserve players.  That's what it has boiled down to here.  Elitism in the GAA once again takes hold.  I find it ironic that clubs crib and cry about elitism when it comes to club vs county matters but they have done the same with their own players on this occasion

At the end of the day, the reserve team is considered a burden, lets be honest, nobody really says it but it is.  A lot of clubs now have outside managers and the only priority is the senior team.  Bit like the premier league, the managers will be judged on the senior teams performance & results, not what the ressies are doing.  The managers themselves have enough on their plate without worrying about his 24 year old reserve corner back who can barely solo or his 16 stone corner forward who is gassed out after 3 runs, they just dont want the hassle of it and I think thats why so many clubs have opted against the new proposals.  Its new, it requires change and will require more effort which they aren't prepared to make.  People do not like change. 

Last night was a chance to perhaps save it and make it a competition where clubs and reserve players could find their level with the prospects of promotion / relegation.  It could have finally been a meaningful competition for the lesser / older and developing players within clubs.  Maybe give some of them more a sense of purpose playing in a separate competition. It could have shone a light in terms of social media coverage on a new competition and the lesser players within clubs might have got the chance to see their picture or name on a match report in some of the local papers or teamtalk.  As some other poster alluded to, Moy reserves in division 1 is a waste of everyone's time from the players to the management,the spectators to the referee.

Time to put a pin in this shambles of a competition, its done.
If its such a shambles of a competition why was there as many at the reserve game between Ardboe and Coalisland as youd see at manys a senior championship game last year? As has been pointed out you are a clown.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 21, 2020, 09:20:03 AM »
If proposals go through tonight no one will be relegated. The change to 4 divisions means no team will be relegated this year.

Incorrect, 2 would be relegated from Div 2 and 6 would be promoted from div 3 or they may opt to go with 1 relegated and 5 promoted but there will def be relegation.

Sorry but it’s you that’s  incorrect. Was stated numerous times at the meeting that there would be no relegation this year. Division 2 will be made up of bottom 8 teams in Division 2, JFC championship winners and top 3 in Junior. Division 3 will be made up of bottom 12 in Division 3 this year.
There may be a counter proposal tonight regarding this from a club but that is the proposal from CCC
The teams currently in Division 1 who end up in the new Division 1B will definitely view that as a relegation

GAA Discussion / Re: Jim Gavin - The Greatest Manager in GAA history
« on: January 20, 2020, 12:32:46 PM »
Wasn't many Tyrone men talking about the pics of Mickey harte and the new woman.
Hearing this, Early 30's I have been told. Talk of the building site this last week or more

GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: January 14, 2020, 01:47:26 PM »
Joe being shown up for what he is. No integrity at all. The poor wee old men lying up in the hospital beds will be devastated. I really did not think he would do it.
Has to find some way of keeping himself relevant.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 08, 2020, 11:16:24 AM »
Who's over Edendork this year? What is Barton (a specialist in failure) up to?

Turned down Ballinderry by all accounts. Must be taking a year off.

Wouldn’t say Barton is a specialist in failure. His list of clubs has some of the biggest teams in Ulster - Burren, Ballinderry, Loup, Slaughtneil plus UUJ and Derry. Not every team wins but surely he must be decent if he has coached all them calibre of teams. I totally agree that if success is measured on medals then he has failed but has he left the clubs in a better place than when he arrived - that is the key of a good manager.
If you don’t take into account the 5 starred games which realistic Edendork would struggle to win w/o their county men then they are playing for a total of 20 points. Tough to stay in Div 1 when you need to get 10/12 points out of 20 in which you are competitive in. Got them 4 championship victories in 2 seasons which is not bad either.

Had heard he turned down 2 Div1 clubs in Tyrone also along with Ballinderry who thought they had him in the bag for the 2020 season

Gets a lot of sh*t, especially here but he's a good football man. Rarely hear a bad word about him from anyone at any club he's ever been at.
Aye what a great interpretation from the pair of youse. He has taken a nice wage from Edendork and left them in a lower division than where he started. I doubt they'll be too worried about whether he is a "good football man". Just another in a long line of managers who hop from club to club seeking a small fortune. Is a laughing stock in his own county because of it

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 07, 2020, 03:29:55 PM »
What's up with these east Tyrone clubs not providing refs?
Sure what would possess a man to be a ref these days with the shite they have to listen to and the 49 new rules from when they played the game
A nice wee cheque for 5/6/7/8 grand a week before Xmas.
Surely you would have to do a serious amount of games for that kind of money?

Doesn't be long adding up, you could maybe do 2 youth games a day then a Senior the following. Not many refs as you say.

No idea, think I heard once 25 junior / 35 adult. Someone more knowledgeable would be able to tell us.

There is a reason Martin Sludden and Martin Hurson etc take  u16 and u18 games.

So if you give up Wednesday night, and your entire weekend for 26 weeks of the year you could get £2900.

I'll Pass, Thanks
Completely agree, however I fail to see how to make it more appealing to people unless we offer them £45 at least for a game. Will cost the average club an extra £150/year for adult games and an extra £600 for youth games (assuming home team pays, and 12 games per year at each under age level)

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 07, 2020, 12:44:47 PM »
No idea, think I heard once 25 junior / 35 adult. Someone more knowledgeable would be able to tell us.

There is a reason Martin Sludden and Martin Hurson etc take  u16 and u18 games.
I think it could be Sean Hurson you are refering to

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