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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 13, 2019, 11:08:28 AM »
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.
On the money.

We need a revolution!!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 13, 2019, 10:50:47 AM »
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Antrim's current progress is currently being ignored by all and sundry. Who's not going to turn up now? Antrim attendances are pathetic. An Ulsterbus would ferry their support about for God's sake. And we haven't even brought in tiering.

If you think this is about an 8 team semi professional setup then I'm afraid it is you who is "talking through their hole"

Can you please define who the "Croke Park suits" are? Names? Where the come from? How they got the jobs? Job terms?

"high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years." Has it crossed your mind that the reason they have been advocating for this is because it might actually help the game?


Whose game is it going to help?

We have tiering in hurling? We're you in the Athletic Grounds last Saturday to see Tyrone being beaten by Armagh in the Rackard Cup.  I'd be shocked if there was 200 at it. 

Whose game is it going to help? It will give the media a product that they want which appears to be Croke Park's over riding objective and it seems to be media support that is one of their key performance indicators.  It will also help those with an "elitism" agenda - which I suspect includes yourself. 

What has Croke Park done to promote the GAA in Ireland's second city.  One of the biggest counties in Ireland is being increasingly lost to the GAA.  Some of the blame lies in Antrim, but if HQ gave even half the attention to Belfast as it does to Dublin in the last 10 years, Antrim would be in a much stronger position now.

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Have Tyrone ever played Longford before in the qualifiers.  Tyrone normally steam-roll teams even a division below them.  But I wouldn't want to get into a dogfight in Pearse Park as Monaghan, Down and Derry and found to their cost. 

Nonetheless, if Tyrone don't win by 20 points their season will have gone from bad to worse  ;D

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 10, 2019, 04:52:13 PM »
Some naval-gazing on here from an Armagh perspective.  But, some of the bleating about management calls, player performances is misplaced.  Only one team can win any game and Cavan would have been slight favourites going into both games.     

A bit of perspective is important. Cavan having been playing in Division 1 all year and have a very good panel of players.  I think ours have more potential, but we are at a different stage of development.  We have a number of excellent young players, along with several older players who have been to hell and back playing for Armagh and the younger lads are breathing a bit of life and belief back into the overall squad. With more young players due to come into the team (Ross McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill) the medium term looks positive. 

I don't know what the wide count was yesterday, but Cavan had one of those days when they couldn't miss - many of their scores were from the ball being worked into the D, but some of the long range free taking by Galligan was really impressive. Armagh, on the other hand missed about four good goal chances, two of which should definitely have been taken. 

Yesterday, McGeeney's instructions were to do what a lot of people on here were calling for.  Mark-up on the short kickouts.  We did that early on and with Murnion's hard tackling and Cavan's uncertainty, we almost profited before Cavan settled into the game.  Missing Donaghy and the higher press, meant that we couldn't stop Cavan running at us through the middle. The swarm defence that worked so well last week, wasn't really in evidence yesterday to the same extent.  At times also on the Cavan kickouts, it felt that the Armagh men were losing their markers in and around the middle. Was it poor concentration, tiredness, I don't know.

A few kickouts went astray, but I think Blaine Hughes done pretty well.  Thought he was pretty assured in general. Donaghy a big miss and can't say we done well defensively when we conceded 23 points. JOB quiet yesterday, but had that been his debut you would have said he done ok; such is the high standards he is setting for himself. Campbell should have started and really carried the game to Cavan.  At times we gave the wrong pass or didn't give the pass, when goals and points were on.

Hopefully these things will come.  I do feel that at some stage this forward unit of Armagh's will open up and give a good team a serious hiding, although I can't see it against Monaghan.

I have to say, that having paid £126 so far this year on tickets for Armagh matches family included; I have got great value for money.  Yesterday, was as entertaining a game as I have seen - not unlike the Roscommon game last year.  Good luck to Cavan in the Ulster Final - I think you will give Donegal a really good game and have every chance.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football qualifier route 2019
« on: June 10, 2019, 04:20:40 PM »
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

Well if i was doing it I'd go Sligo, Manorhamilton, Blacklion, Florencecourt, Derrylin, out the Lisnaskea Road turn right to bring you onto Lisnaskea- Newtownbutler road, shortly after turn left bringing out out on Clones to Monaghan road, Go to Monaghan, Armagh, Newry

You wont see a hard shoulder until you get to Newry!

Give yourself a break!
Drive to Dublin and then up the road!!



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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 07, 2019, 08:20:07 AM »
Whatís the rules on the concussion protocol in GAA. Is it the same as rugby ie is it likely that Burns will miss out this week?

If it was documented as concussion then I think he would have to miss out. I read earlier in the week that Armagh were insisting he wasn't concussed so I'd imagine he will be available.

I wasn't aware of that rule, all I can say is I was very close to where he came off and I could see from him he was concussed and badly concussed at that.

Set yourself up nicely with an attempt to smear the Armagh management if Burns plays on Sunday. Well done!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 06, 2019, 04:10:03 PM »
The concession of kickouts (particularly being a man up) is very frustrating.  Although Spillane highlighted Armagh's swarm tackle on Sunday evening, I thought Cavan were really strong at keeping possession finding space.  I wouldn't be giving them that possession so cheaply,


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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 06, 2019, 01:26:03 PM »
Interesting (maybe) aside from all the quarreling over who are the dirtiest shower of b**tards!

Armagh or Cavan are going to set a record on Sunday! They are the only Ulster counties to have competed in Ulster Senior Finals in every decade since the GAA was founded.  That record will be broken for one of them on Sunday. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 04, 2019, 09:24:15 PM »
Free count

Armagh  conceded 28
Cavan conceded 18

Yellow card count?

Iím assuming thereís a point to this

There is. If I have to explain it you're probably best to stay out of the conversation
Aw poor little scratchy. Thinks just because you commit more fouls means you should get more yellow cards. Maybe itís you who should stay out of the conversation

Itchy actually thinks there's a correlation between fouls and yellow cards.  ;D  ;D As if there's some sort of 'persistent fouling' concept.  ;D  ;D Next thing he'll be saying there's a correlation between kicking out at players on the ground and hitting players in the face and red cards. What a fool.

Which Armagh player should have been booked for persistent fouling? Name the player

Do you think Neiland will be on the look out for players trying to buy frees the next day? Too many of those fouls given against Armagh simply werenít fouls.

The 2 reds were clear cut. There should be no appeal of the Donaghy red. Appealing that will do us no favours. Those suggestion Shields dived want to take a look at themselves. Grimley incidents was arguably red, arguably yellow. Couldnít complain about it either way. Faulkner definitely shouldnít have got a black. It was a dirty challenge (just because the red got it wrong letís not pretend the player is innocent) and a clear yellow.

Morgan picks up too many cards so when on a yellow and getting it tight against his man McGeeney was right to haul him ashore but on watching it back Iím not sure what Morgan is booked for. He was booked in the 16th minute for his 4th foul. The first on was clear cut, the second (is a foul) but only occurs after McVeety initiates the foul. Not clear what the third foul is? 4 fouls in 16 mins isnít great.

Very fair balanced analysis.  I'm really surprised at some of the irrational nonsense I'm reading on here from Cavan supporters.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 04, 2019, 08:46:30 PM »
Free count

Armagh  conceded 28
Cavan conceded 18

Yellow card count?

Iím assuming thereís a point to this

There is. If I have to explain it you're probably best to stay out of the conversation
Aw poor little scratchy. Thinks just because you commit more fouls means you should get more yellow cards. Maybe itís you who should stay out of the conversation

Looks like your talking about cynical fouling.  If anything Armagh was guilty of being completely naive in their approach to the game. 

I would love to see a breakdown of where on the pitch Armagh gave away the frees. People used to talk about teams cynically fouling between the two 50's and out near the sideline in order to break momentum. That is all about game management, repeated fouling and "seeing out the game".   

The reality is that an awful lot of Armagh's fouling was pure clumsy, stupid and done inside the 40 which resulted in simple tap over frees for Cavan. Some of the players were too stupid to be cynical on Sunday and their fouls were well and truly penalised whether yellow cards were issued or not. However, Cavan did miss a couple of very handy frees, including an unbelievable miss by McKiernan in front of the posts.   

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: June 04, 2019, 04:33:40 PM »
How old is the FA cup? You donít hear any calls for it to be scrapped. Thereís no way that Woking will be able to compete with Man City, yet the format never changes.

The great thing about the FA Cup is that Man Utd can draw Man City in Round 3. And the winners draw Liverpool in Round 4 (as what happened in 2012). Thatís two big teams gone long before the final. Thatís the same as Dublin and Kerry going out before the QF stage of an open draw AI championship.


THat would make for a more open competition. Granted, big teams wonít always be drawn together in early rounds but it can happen. A good run to a semi or final for a Wicklow or Sligo would do more for football in those counties than any win in a B championship.

In fairness, I don't think that would be acceptable if the FA Cup was the premiere competition.  It's because it is of less importance that such a situation is tolerated. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: June 04, 2019, 04:15:12 PM »

If there is a top 16 tier is there a guarantee that Dublin won't bate somebody out the gate. Croke Park better have a wee word in Jim Gavin's ear!!!!

This!!
There are not two tiers.  There are multiple tiers and there is a far greater range between 1-16 as there is from 9-24. 

Question again!! Whose agenda is a tiered championship? The media!! Some useful idiots in the GAA are buying into it. Must be nice to get your name in the Irish Independent for supporting a tiered championship. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Attendances
« on: June 04, 2019, 03:46:46 PM »
The best supported teams are those that are on a mission to win their first All Ireland (after a long gap).  Tyrone pre-03, Armagh pre-02, Mayo, the Dubs pre 2011. 
There is lots of giddy excitement and every man, woman and child wants to be part of the mission to win.  After the first win, supporters become a bit more complacent, and a lot more sceptical. 

That's what's happening in Dublin.  The irony is that the GAA and Leinster Council would have been better off had Dublin kept knocking on the door a la Mayo.  They need a strong Dublin, but a dominant Dublin is the last thing they need. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Armagh v Cavan (Sun - 02-06-19) Clones
« on: June 04, 2019, 03:38:07 PM »
What's with the Armagh obsession with 'crying'? Telling people on here to stop crying. Giving out about players 'crying'. Telling people to dry their eyes.

Is this where the oppressed rage comes from that causes the violent outbursts we saw on Sunday?
::)
Straight after the game we had yourself and Itchy on here getting a bit hysterical about a very competitive game that was played by both teams in a very sporting manner.

Is this really about the football, or is it something else?   

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GAA Discussion / Re: Would you be in favour of a second tier?
« on: June 04, 2019, 03:31:50 PM »
Funny you mention it APM  - the GAA has started showing McDonagh cup games live on GAA now though up until now showed nothing.

Curse of the commentator!! :)

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