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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus
« on: March 21, 2020, 09:56:17 AM »
Lads wondering if I could get your thoughts. Me and my mate set up a consultancy and training firm last year. We got our first contract and employ a speech and language therapist and occupational therapist 3 days per week each alongside the work we do. We do not employ them through PAYE, they're technically self employed themselves. The service we work in is at high risk of being temporarily shut down due to the vulnerability of the clients to Covid19 meaning our contract will likely be suspended too for the duration.

Am I right in thinking that none of us will be entitled to the 80% scheme announced by the government? I think my reading is that we may only be entitled to the universal credit equivalent. Another headache is that we aren't even a year through our contract so we have not have any tax returns as our business started after April 2019.

Unfortunately it would seem so. £94 a week! There is pressure building though so hopefully they address it. There are 5 million self employed in UK, surely they have to come up with something for them.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: February 14, 2020, 10:25:49 PM »
Off me head, venues that can hold floodlight fixtures...

* Stewartstown
* Greencastle
* Eoghan Ruadh, Dungannon
* Fintona (Training)
* Dromore (Training)
* Carrickmore (Training)

To add, has the work at Garvaghy on its floodlight pitch been completed, and is Strabane's training pitch suitably floodlight?

Garvaghey floodlite pitch looked pretty much ready a few weeks ago. Strabanes pitch and floodlights are top class but there is no fence around the pitch which Iíd assume you would need.

Greencastles floodlights are IMO not good enough to host a match (unless they have been upgraddd in the last year?) although night matches have been played there recently

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: February 11, 2020, 09:34:22 AM »
Interesting development coming out of Australia this morning. If McKenna comes home indefinitely it sheds a whole new light on Tyroneís All Ireland hopes

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: February 05, 2020, 10:44:42 PM »
News to please all Tyrone folk. Allstar full forward Cathal Mc Shane is staying with the Ref Hands @TyroneGAALive

Breaking news from teamtalkmag

Maybe itís just me but itís a major bugbear of mine that Teamtalk break so much important and sometimes official Tyrone GAA news. Surely itís up to Tyrone GAA to report this?  Does this happen in any other county?

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GAA Discussion / Re: WhatsApp Groups And GDPR
« on: January 29, 2020, 08:19:07 PM »
Surely when people sign up to WhatsApp they have to agree to allowing their phone number and profile photo to be used? Itís going to be very difficult to stop people using it as its a simple, free, effective tool. It will be interesting to see what the GAA communications app is like, if itís not simple, easy to use and offers a Ďgroup chatí function it simply wonít work. If itís an extension of the servasport text service whereby you have to buy credits to send texts they may just knock it on the head now.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 22, 2020, 12:31:49 PM »
The outcome of discussions on reserve competitions from last nights meeting is very disappointing. For years now reserve football has been on its knees. My club discussed this at length and whilst we could see some flaws in decoupling the games we felt it had to be worth a shot in order to try to breathe some new life into the reserve competitions. I am astounded this was defeated by a vote and would love to see a club breakdown. I can see no sense in not trying this approach for at least 1 year. Yes it would take some fine tuning and imagination from clubs with regards to training/picking squads on a weekly basis, but surely it was better than the status quo.

There was no vote but from the discussions last night the following Clubs were very vocally against it - Carrickmore, Tattyreagh, Loughmacrory, Clann na nGael, Glenelly, Trillick, Stewartstown, Castlederg etc.

I was hoping the changes would go through but as you can see both small and large Clubs were against it. 70% of the responses received by the CCC from Clubs were against change to the Reserve competition.

Outrageous decision last night regarding reserve football. As stated already, clubs had to look at this as a positive for Tyrone football not their club, unfortunately too many clubs can't/aren't prepared to do this. From a quick search of last years conceded reserves matches a few of the clubs listed above featured heavily, the others, although may not have conceded, were still affected by opposition conceding. The mind boggles as to how these teams think next season will play out. Dinosaurs!! What harm could it have done to try this for a year??

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 21, 2020, 09:48:45 AM »
If proposals go through tonight no one will be relegated. The change to 4 divisions means no team will be relegated this year.

Incorrect, 2 would be relegated from Div 2 and 6 would be promoted from div 3 or they may opt to go with 1 relegated and 5 promoted but there will def be relegation.

Sorry but itís you thatís  incorrect. Was stated numerous times at the meeting that there would be no relegation this year. Division 2 will be made up of bottom 8 teams in Division 2, JFC championship winners and top 3 in Junior. Division 3 will be made up of bottom 12 in Division 3 this year.
There may be a counter proposal tonight regarding this from a club but that is the proposal from CCC
The teams currently in Division 1 who end up in the new Division 1B will definitely view that as a relegation

Possibly so, although it will only be the bottom 4 in the league that will go to Division 1B.. 15 of next years Division 1 will still play senior championship in 2021.

From reading the presentation am I right in saying that the 2021 senior championship will basically be made up of 15 division 1 clubs from this year plus the intermediate championship winners? So only the bottom team in division 1 (unless they win the championship) will miss out on the 2021 senior championship?

Seems a bit unfair that the division 2 league winners don't get into senior championship for 2021.

Thats correct Redhand Santa. Again, clubs are free to make proposals so that may change tonight.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 21, 2020, 09:24:51 AM »
If proposals go through tonight no one will be relegated. The change to 4 divisions means no team will be relegated this year.

Incorrect, 2 would be relegated from Div 2 and 6 would be promoted from div 3 or they may opt to go with 1 relegated and 5 promoted but there will def be relegation.

Sorry but itís you thatís  incorrect. Was stated numerous times at the meeting that there would be no relegation this year. Division 2 will be made up of bottom 8 teams in Division 2, JFC championship winners and top 3 in Junior. Division 3 will be made up of bottom 12 in Division 3 this year.
There may be a counter proposal tonight regarding this from a club but that is the proposal from CCC
The teams currently in Division 1 who end up in the new Division 1B will definitely view that as a relegation

Possibly so, although it will only be the bottom 4 in the league that will go to Division 1B.. 15 of next years Division 1 will still play senior championship in 2021.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 21, 2020, 09:04:41 AM »
If proposals go through tonight no one will be relegated. The change to 4 divisions means no team will be relegated this year.

Incorrect, 2 would be relegated from Div 2 and 6 would be promoted from div 3 or they may opt to go with 1 relegated and 5 promoted but there will def be relegation.

Sorry but itís you thatís  incorrect. Was stated numerous times at the meeting that there would be no relegation this year. Division 2 will be made up of bottom 8 teams in Division 2, JFC championship winners and top 3 in Junior. Division 3 will be made up of bottom 12 in Division 3 this year.
There may be a counter proposal tonight regarding this from a club but that is the proposal from CCC

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 21, 2020, 07:47:24 AM »
If proposals go through tonight no one will be relegated. The change to 4 divisions means no team will be relegated this year.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 17, 2020, 04:06:38 PM »
In my clubs situation the problem was a complete lack of knowing when reserve matches would be played. Think there was a 10 week gap last year for our reserves. You might get seniors to keep training for 10 weeks without a match but no chance with reserves. This system should eradicate this problem and Iíd be confident that we will have far bigger numbers at reserve level this year. That alone will be a success

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 16, 2020, 01:52:59 PM »
See proposals sent out to Clubs there now. Got sent the links below where you can download them -

Presentation: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=34441567675394347594

Fixture Schedule: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=97070611131769141530

I'm confused, on that fixture template all the reserve games are down for Saturdays (the odd Friday too) with senior fixtures scheduled for Sundays. Where did the Monday nights come from?

They have obviously changed it on the excel sheet since the meeting. I would guess itíll be on Friday nights.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 15, 2020, 03:33:45 PM »
Also worth mentioning that another positive part of the youth proposal was that there would be unlimited subs in all underage league matches. Participation levels have to be raised across the board and this can only help.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 15, 2020, 11:09:12 AM »
Proposal is for senior football to start on March 29th with Reserves to move to a stand alone fixture on a Monday night on a Regional basis.
I can see the positives of moving Reserve football to a stand alone fixture but not sure if Monday is the best option for it to work. Maybe a Friday instead as it would better suit students and men working away a lot better.

The proposal on youth football is U14 and U18 to start on February 22nd with U16 starting a week later. I can't see this working at all, especially for smaller clubs who have U14's playing U16 and U16 playing U18.

Was there not similar proposal put forward and defeated last year?

I would think the lads would rather be playing twice a week than training. However it does not leave much room for coaching sessions.
At the moment the gap between ending u-14s (June) and starting u16's (the following August) is too large and that 14 month gap could lead to a lot of drop out of players who are not able to play a grade above themselves.

Something has to be done about the delay of u16 until August because of minors which is in turn delayed by County u-17's and u-20's.
Someone mentioned earlier about a meeting to take place last night. Any update

Yes, meeting took place. Proposals were put forward to clubs, they are to go back to clubs to discuss and meeting will reconvene next Tuesday.

Briefly Proposal 1...U14/16/18 will all begin end Feb/beginning of March. Fixtures will run U14/18 one week and U16 the next and finish in September. Plenty of matches for underage footballers.

Proposal 2...Reserve football will decouple with senior football. There will be 2 regions (east/west) which will be split into 3 divisions. Start end of March and will run weekly and uninterrupted until end of June. Championship then starts finishing at beginning of August. These matches are proposed to be held on Monday evenings throughout the summer.

Proposal 3...Adult football will go to 4 divisions in 2021. (1A, 1B, 2, 3) 12 in each division, play home and away (22 matches). Matches with county players playing worth 4 points for a win, without county players worth 2 points for a win. The reasoning behind the third proposal is to do with upcoming changes at national level. We are looking at county football only from 2021 during May, June, July, August. This plan allows club football to continue during these months without county players. Championship football will remain as is with 16 teams in senior, intermediate and junior.

IMO these are positive changes from CCC, far from perfect but I don't think perfect exists. Last night proved that not everyone will be happy, we had people asking about were handball fits into the system, how reserve players that fly back to play matches will fit in etc. Reserve football is dying a death, the vast majority were happy with the new prosposed system, just not on a Monday night (but what night/day suits?). Proposal 3 is another must or we end up playing a cluster of matches in April and then virtually nothing until August, basically how we are now, if that continues we may as well kiss the club game goodbye.

Don't see the youth proposal working out at all. Take a 15/16 yr old who is on a county panel, if they are good enough to make a county panel then their club will probably also depend on them to play minor club football as well as their u16 club football.
Are they expected to train and play with the county whilst also training and playing with their clubs u16 and u18 teams.

A few years ago the main concern was player burnout, now the main concern is fixtures and they're forgetting about player burnout.

I see what you are saying but you are trying to cater here for the very few/elite. From the stats last night it was proven that the vast majority of youth players are not getting enough matches. There are far more lads (hundreds?) that are, lets say for an example, 15 years old, too old for U14 and too young/not good enough for U18, I think the average amount of matches played by U16s last night was 7 (could be wrong but near enough). Thats nowhere near enough for a young lad and we will or already have lost those lads to other sports. Like I said, its not perfect but its going to have to take a change in mindset for a lot of people.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 15, 2020, 10:06:08 AM »
Proposal is for senior football to start on March 29th with Reserves to move to a stand alone fixture on a Monday night on a Regional basis.
I can see the positives of moving Reserve football to a stand alone fixture but not sure if Monday is the best option for it to work. Maybe a Friday instead as it would better suit students and men working away a lot better.

The proposal on youth football is U14 and U18 to start on February 22nd with U16 starting a week later. I can't see this working at all, especially for smaller clubs who have U14's playing U16 and U16 playing U18.

Was there not similar proposal put forward and defeated last year?

I would think the lads would rather be playing twice a week than training. However it does not leave much room for coaching sessions.
At the moment the gap between ending u-14s (June) and starting u16's (the following August) is too large and that 14 month gap could lead to a lot of drop out of players who are not able to play a grade above themselves.

Something has to be done about the delay of u16 until August because of minors which is in turn delayed by County u-17's and u-20's.
Someone mentioned earlier about a meeting to take place last night. Any update

Yes, meeting took place. Proposals were put forward to clubs, they are to go back to clubs to discuss and meeting will reconvene next Tuesday.

Briefly Proposal 1...U14/16/18 will all begin end Feb/beginning of March. Fixtures will run U14/18 one week and U16 the next and finish in September. Plenty of matches for underage footballers.

Proposal 2...Reserve football will decouple with senior football. There will be 2 regions (east/west) which will be split into 3 divisions. Start end of March and will run weekly and uninterrupted until end of June. Championship then starts finishing at beginning of August. These matches are proposed to be held on Monday evenings throughout the summer.

Proposal 3...Adult football will go to 4 divisions in 2021. (1A, 1B, 2, 3) 12 in each division, play home and away (22 matches). Matches with county players playing worth 4 points for a win, without county players worth 2 points for a win. The reasoning behind the third proposal is to do with upcoming changes at national level. We are looking at county football only from 2021 during May, June, July, August. This plan allows club football to continue during these months without county players. Championship football will remain as is with 16 teams in senior, intermediate and junior.

IMO these are positive changes from CCC, far from perfect but I don't think perfect exists. Last night proved that not everyone will be happy, we had people asking about were handball fits into the system, how reserve players that fly back to play matches will fit in etc. Reserve football is dying a death, the vast majority were happy with the new prosposed system, just not on a Monday night (but what night/day suits?). Proposal 3 is another must or we end up playing a cluster of matches in April and then virtually nothing until August, basically how we are now, if that continues we may as well kiss the club game goodbye.

surely a saturday or friday night is the most logical time to have the reserve games, majority of players away at uni or working away would be home by then and would still have most of their weekend to enjoy.
The main issue there I think is the potential overlap with the proposed new minor schedule.
Some clubs very reliant on minor players to field at reserve level.
Something has to give somewhere

This is the crux of it, everyone needs to step back and accept that some changes won't suit their particular club but its for the benefit of the club scene in Tyrone as a whole. It may involve accepting the fact that reserve football is turning into 'recreational' football where we are providing football for lads who we are losing at the minute. Change has to happen and happen pretty fast.

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