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True facts J70!!

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How could we give anything other than our own opinion on that unless one of us have been an intercounty referee who would be willing to give a precise answer??

For me, not for a game like the super8 where a draw is the end of it anyway. If it's a very close knock out game then possibly moreso

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GAA Discussion / Re: Super 8s
« on: Today at 06:28:05 PM »
Wonder what odds you would get for Mayo to beat the Dubs in a semi then lose the final.

can't get odds on that but you can get odds of these finals taking place...

Mayo V Kerry 16/1
Mayo V Tyrone 28/1
Mayo V Donegal 200/1


Mayo V Tyrone can only happen with Mayo beating Dublin in the semifinal so 28/1 on that game happening, but odds would be wider again if you were to include Mayo losing that. Probably about 50/1.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: Today at 05:55:05 PM »
Would we not be safer resting for the dead rubber game and going all out to beat Kerry (if that who tops the group) in the important match the following week? They drew with a weakened Donegal team yesterday so can't be that much stronger than them. And if we did beat them it would be a proper boost going into a final as opposed to beating a weakened Dublin team that didn't need to win anyway.

100% we need to rest several key players and anyone who's nursing any sort of an injury, but if we rest too many we run the risk of a tanking in Omagh and that could really set us back if we have to play Kerry in 6 days time.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: Today at 05:50:08 PM »
f**k me tried to watch the Tyrone highlights on the Sunday game. No joke I had to watch at least 15 minutes of ads before I found where the Tyrone game was, then it crashed so another 5 minutes of ads, watched the highlights, at least half of the time it was fuzzy nonsense that you couldn't make out a thing then it crashed again half way through the analysis.

We pay for that shite.

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If Connolly's not on the bench for this then I doubt we'll see him at all this summer.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Super 8s
« on: Today at 04:57:57 PM »
Super 8s need to be restructured or scrapped. The scheduling is terrible - teams coming through qualifiers playing up to 5 weeks in a row (not allowing for replays), then the semi-final is the weekend following the last round. There should be at least a week off before the semi-final.
It's also unfair and demeaning that provincial champions like Roscommon, who had to beat two Div 1 sides away from home to win their province, can end their season having to play out a meaningless game in Pairc Ui Rinn.
At this stage, I'd favour the knock-out QFs in a provincial ground.

The format this year actually probably gave Roscommon a better chance of making a semi final than the old format. The key game in the group for them was against Tyrone and they got it as a home match as opposed to Croke Park. They then got a second chance that they wouldn't previously have gotten. Unfortunately it was against the Dubs but their dominance is more of an issue than the format.

Dublin should not be getting two games in Croke Park though, that bit is a farce. Croke Park was the right venue for yesterdays double header but there was a poor crowd in on Saturday. Though no matter where Tyrone Cork was played it would have been a poor crowd (Portlaois was empty for the second half of the game last year with no atmosphere) and Croke Park was fairly neutral distance wise.

I think people are forgetting that there was regularly quarter final double headers with poor crowds depending on the pairings and there was regular hammerings. There have been big winning margins in this years super 8s but most games have been very competitive right up until the last 10 minutes. And the football on offer has been much more attacking than a few years back.

I don't think Roscommon were given a better chance especially with last years two All Ireland finalists in the group.

In the old format as Connacht champions they would have played one of Meath,Cork,Tyrone and i don't think they could have played Mayo again because of repeat pairing (open to correction there)

Even getting a the short straw in Tyrone and lost after a competitive display they could have gone off for the summer and be happy enough with their lot instead they had to face into the lions den last Saturday after a defeat and now have to finish the year off with a dead rubber game.  I agree like every other team in the super 8s Dublin should only get one game in Croke park.

The fact is that no matter what group Roscommon went into the odds on them getting to a semi-final are very small anyway. There's going to be a Kerry/Dublin/Donegal in their group no matter how it falls and all three of those teams are beating this Roscommon side every time. Then you're going to have one strong qualifier, Tyrone or mayo and a team that they could potentially beat in Cork or Meath. Having their first game at home against a team they really needed to beat in Tyrone this time gave them the best possible chance. Win that and win away against Cork and they'd be through.

Fact is that the 4 best teams in the country will be in the semi-final with this format 9/10 now. Roscommon at the moment are not one of the four best teams in the country and can't feel butthurt about being in one group or the other because they wouldn't have qualified from either group imo.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Super 8s
« on: Today at 04:33:28 PM »
There was probably only a maximum of 3/4,000 there between Tyrone and Cork. There was even less there last year from the two counties when they played in Portlaois (around 10,000 there that day and mostly all in for the Armagh Roscommon game). Do you think more people from Tyrone would have travelled to somewhere like Portlaois that is harder to get to on Saturday past than Croke Park?

The only way you'd have got a half decent crowd was if one of the counties was at home. If you wanted to fill a neutral stadium it would have had to have been in a club ground.

Fair point.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Super 8s
« on: Today at 04:15:00 PM »
Would Dublin not be fairly half way/neutral for Tyrone/Cork and Kerry/Donegal? It would have been a logical enough choice for Mayo Meath too given a lot of Mayo people are based in Dublin. The Tyrone Cork game would have attracted a poor crowd wherever it was played. And I don't think the other two games I mentioned would have got as many people if played as two stand alone games somewhere outside Croke Park.

Yes in terms of distance absolutely it's a great location for ease of transport for those games you mentioned. But imagine that Tyrone/cork game was played in a 20000 ground with a full house, you'd have had a completely different atmosphere at the game. I just think days like that where you can hear everything the players are saying on the pitch for what should be a massive occasion is ruinous for the sport.

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The black card recipient leaves the pitch and is replaced by a player who has a clean disciplinary slate.
In many cases that isn't a punishment for a black card offence, it's a detox.
Could the original sin theory be applied? that a black card replacement sub has the equivalent of a yellow card infraction as soom as he enters the game and if he picks up one yellow card, he's sent off.

Personally I didn't like the effect that the 10 minute sin bin had on the game.

Completely unfair on the player coming in imo to have him on a card for something he didn't do. the 10 minute sin was poorly implemented for the league this year and the Tyrone/Monaghan game's sin bin before half time would not be what you'd normally expect to happen. Also if the black/Sinbin was more liberally applied for all the things I listed in my last post you would have either of 2 things happen.

1) A lot more sin bins, including concurrent sin bins for the same team resulting in a big advantage for the team with 15 players

or

2) A stop to cynical fouling, tactical fouling like we seen from Cork at the weekend around the half way line to stop a break, verbal abuse of players and officials, diving etc.
It's not unfair on the black card replacement to already have a yellow card. It's not a personal punishment, it's a punishment on the team.
Where do get the idea that the black card /sin bin is just a punishment on the player? it's a team punishment.
A red card is a punishment on the team on the day.

I just disagree that it's not a personal punishment. The player is coming onto the pitch with a yellow against him. It's a nonsense IMO. A sin bin is a much fairer system and works in so many sports around the world really well. Why do the GAA always feel the need to reinvent the wheel.

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Yellow = sin bin, you’d see the case with the danger players taken out.

Niggling instigated by the defender, with the likes of a corner back and say, Michael Murphy sin binned for two yellows. We all know refs usually show two yellows when it’s clear one player has been the innocent victim. It’s a cop out.

 I’d say any fan would like to see the likes of Murphy taken out for 10 against their team. And it would get to the point where that sort of thing would be encouraged.

And maybe this would force refs to stop this cop out guessing when two players are rolling about on the ground. That is another thing that drives me nuts. There was one in the Kerry Donegal game where a Kerry lad O'Shea I think was being held on the ground, he was clearly from my pov completely innocent yet he got a yellow. Refs need to quit doing that and unless they actually know what happened then keep tehir cards in their pockets. There's 7 officials on hand, surely we can have a situation where unless one fo them actually sees an incident you don't go handing out yellows for nothing.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Super 8s
« on: Today at 03:56:34 PM »
It's sad to say it but going to Croker for a game used to be an experience, something to savour, to look forward to and really soak up. Now it's a slog for all but the biggest games. Even Dublin fans used to only get playing in it for Leinster finals, AI semis and finals. Now it's week in and week out even for them to go watch a team that they already know in 95% of games will win at a canter. What's special about that?

For me the Super8 can be good but it really has to be made fairer. A good start this year was having the teams that won their province playing at home in the first leg. he next obvious thing is to take all the neutral games out of Corker, do away with the double headers and have them in neutral county grounds which will make a massive difference to those towns across the country and get use from all these white elephant grounds that are rarely if ever used at the moment.

The timing of them also needs to be looked at. Using Tyrone as an example here but the schedule for our players and fans has been really tough this year. If we make the AI then that's 11 games of championship football this summer. We've played 5 weeks in a row all games on the road, Longford, Kildare, Clones, Roscommon and Dublin. If I was going to each of those games with the wife and 2 kids then that would have cost me €300 in tickets, about €200 in diesel, and you'd easily say another €300 odd in incidentals, programs, bite to eat etc. That's a lot of money and too much for a lot of people to justify especially with another 2 games guaranteed now in another 2 weeks. Not sure much can be done there but if neutral grounds half way between the two counties were used then travel costs would be split.

Finally  proposal to make the groups a bit fairer would be to use a seeding system for the 2 qualifers in the groups..

This could work as follows. Dublin in one group and Roscommon are in one group. They would get the 1st and 3rd ranked teams through round four.

That would give a group of.
Dubs,
Rossies
Tyrone
Meath

And another group of.
Kerry
Donegal
Mayo
Cork

With the qualifiers this year it doesn't make much difference to the groups but over time I think this would be fairer.

Nb I used this ranking table which I find great from the end of the R4 qualifiers. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110650184&postcount=923

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The black card recipient leaves the pitch and is replaced by a player who has a clean disciplinary slate.
In many cases that isn't a punishment for a black card offence, it's a detox.
Could the original sin theory be applied? that a black card replacement sub has the equivalent of a yellow card infraction as soom as he enters the game and if he picks up one yellow card, he's sent off.

Personally I didn't like the effect that the 10 minute sin bin had on the game.

Completely unfair on the player coming in imo to have him on a card for something he didn't do. the 10 minute sin was poorly implemented for the league this year and the Tyrone/Monaghan game's sin bin before half time would not be what you'd normally expect to happen. Also if the black/Sinbin was more liberally applied for all the things I listed in my last post you would have either of 2 things happen.

1) A lot more sin bins, including concurrent sin bins for the same team resulting in a big advantage for the team with 15 players

or

2) A stop to cynical fouling, tactical fouling like we seen from Cork at the weekend around the half way line to stop a break, verbal abuse of players and officials, diving etc.

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I have literally no idea who Tyrone would have a better chance against in the semi final but I will say that all 4 of these final round games should be played on the same day at the same time so if there was a particularly soft team coming through from one side of the draw you couldn't have a team throw a game to try to ace them.

With Kerry facing Meath you'd expect them to top the group. The only team that can equal them on the top of the table is Donegal and their game was a draw so even with two teams it will come down to points difference and Kerry are already +1 on Donegal but you'd expect them to beat Meath by more than Donegal could beat Mayo if they do win. So finishing second in our group means we will play Kerry in all likelyhood. As for the other team I fancy Donegal to do the business against Mayo even in Castlebar, but Mayo have had a knack of winning these type of games narrowly in the past so despite the miles on teh clock it wouldn't surprise me.

If Tyrone have ambitions of facing Dublin again in a final then we simply can't show our hand here and nor can we afford to take a tanking. Gavin will still put out a pretty much full strength team against us but we have to rest players now. The lads looked leggy as f**k at the weekend and it's no surprise given the schedule they've had the last 2 months. I think we'll go pure running game with one man up top, perhaps Richie over Cathal and just try to get through the game as safely as possible.


I'd much prefer us to play Kerry or Mayo in this round. Not because I think that we'd have more chance of beating them (Kerry moreso) but because I'm sick of the sight of Donegal at this stage and I'm sure them us.

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My starting 15.
Hugo Duncan
Aiden McRory
Philomena Begley
Fuzzman
Jerome Quinn
Fergal Logan
Dennis Taylor
Plunkett Donaghy
Tyrone Tom
Adrian Logan
Paudge Quinn
Kyle Coney- would like to see him get 70 mins under his belt.
Jimmy Cricket
Darren Clarke
Lee Brennan

 ;D ;D ;D We really don't have too many celebrities in Tyrone do we?? Maybe young Gallagher the McGreggor lite could get a few minutes under his belt.

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