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GAA Discussion / Re: Big Match Build-ups
« on: Today at 12:52:46 PM »
I annually do big match build-up for games on social media. I fed up doing the same thing....

Preview of game
Star players
Head to heads
Ratings tactics


Anyone got any ‘outside the box’ ideas?

What?

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Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??

They form two of the three teams that have been at the top since 2008 and according to the results have been unbeaten by Tyrone in the championship since 2008.

Mayo couldn't really be considered one of the top teams until 2012, their biggest achievement before that beating Cork in 2011 only to lose by 9 points to Kerry in the semi-final. So for them it's 2012-2019 (excluding 2018.) Outside of Dublin the only teams that have beaten Kerry are: Down (2010), Cork (2012), Donegal (2012), Mayo (2017), and Galway (2018.) Donegal surely were in that top bracket as well from 2011-2014, another team Tyrone couldn't beat.

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According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.

At what stage during the summer do Tyrone peak? Because they've been well beaten in Ulster and then well beaten in the All-Ireland series the last couple of years. If you want to compare Tyrone and Donegal this year look at the Ulster semi-final the two played and then look at their respective games against Kerry. Donegal probably should have beaten them with a massively depleted squad whereas a couple of weeks later Tyrone had nothing in response once Kerry stepped up a gear. Donegal's squad would be significantly younger than Tyrone's as well would it not?

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Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Yeah but 08 was one they won being huge underdogs so surely that made up for 07? yes they shouldn't have been caught by Meath I would agree.

I think for the period of 03 to 08 he most certainly did not underachieve but after that maybe up for debate. I personally don't think he did. The Cork team that beat Tyrone were just better. The semi with Kerry the other year they were just better. The semi this year I think he could have done more with mind you.

I think if you judge 3 AIs as a failure then you are an incredibly harsh judge.

I do often wonder whether sometimes Ulster always came at a time where his team was not setup to peak yet and he took this hit to aim for bigger prizes. Could be wrong in that but I do think the Donegal result would have been the other way in mid July on.

So if Tyrone weren't peaking in June when exactly were they looking to peak? Didn't seem to happen in July either.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are non-Tyrone people obsessed about Tyrone?
« on: August 14, 2019, 12:56:47 PM »


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GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin v Kerry All Ireland Final 2019
« on: August 14, 2019, 12:39:42 PM »
I like you Farr would be up for the Dubs in the final. It has nothing to do with wanting to prove an argument about unfairness in funding( although there is merit in a debate about the current structure of funding) or football styles as while I like certain styles of football (especially the way Dublin, Kerry, Roscommon, Armagh and now Donegal play) most All Ireland winners I have seen would play great football to win along the way. For me it is to see an exceptional team do something no senior inter county team has done before in the history of the GAA and the fact that while Kerry are underdogs for this game they are not really an underdog in football terms considering they have 36 titles to their name!!

It is no coincidence that the game has veered back towards a much better defence/attack balance since the Dubs have hoovered up All Irelands. Around about the time that Donegal won an AI in 2012 and for a period after that, coaches across the country were trying to ape the Jimmy McGuinness template both at club, county and schools level. The Dubs have helped reverse that trend.

Coaching and management trends tend to ape the tactics of successful county teams and for that reason Dublin have helped to improve the spectacle across the country even though the extreme negative tactics have not completely disappeared.

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. In 2014 Gavin was made realise that Dublin had to put some sort of defensive system in place to prevent what Donegal did to them from happening again. They have been clearly very willing to drop players back when needed since then and it's more of a hybrid system that they've helped propagate, rather than just reverse any trend.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Why are non-Tyrone people obsessed about Tyrone?
« on: August 14, 2019, 11:18:05 AM »
Stephen OBrien has confirmed he was poisoned on a private instagram chat. Unsure what tests he has went under but he seems sure.

He should be taken to court

Can someone link to this?

I don't believe for a second that Stephen O'Brien has confirmed this by the way. I'd imagine he would have a bit more class.



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Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

A Kerry player slapped a notebook out of a referees hand and got treated like a martyr, they had two players fail dope tests after national finals and are treated as upholders of the virtues of the game.

You could not make it up.
Who’s the second one? BO’S and ?

Aidan O’Mahony

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1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

Tyrone would be ranked below Donegal, Dublin, Kerry given that they lost comprehensively to all three this season. The only teams you can rank them above in this list is Cork & Roscommon. Mayo would have more than likely beaten them had they met, they have shown repeatedly this decade that they can’t compete in Croke Park against good teams. On the basis of beating Tyrone well and drawing with Kerry you would have to rank Donegal above them.

Bar one performance against a below par Donegal I can see zero evidence for rating Mayo above Tyrone this season

Fair enough. It's tough to make the case for Tyrone beating them as well though, given how their season went.

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1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

Tyrone would be ranked below Donegal, Dublin, Kerry given that they lost comprehensively to all three this season. The only teams you can rank them above in this list is Cork & Roscommon. Mayo would have more than likely beaten them had they met, they have shown repeatedly this decade that they can’t compete in Croke Park against good teams. On the basis of beating Tyrone well and drawing with Kerry you would have to rank Donegal above them.

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Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact.

It's nowhere near a fact, why are you doing this to yourself? The victory over Roscommon was their biggest result this season and they haven't beaten a big team in Croke Park in 10 years now.

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1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

Tyrone played Dublin, Kerry, Donegal this year in the Championship and were beaten well in each game. Only for their qualifier and Super 8 draw it's likely they would have been knocked out earlier. Can't see them in any top 4.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football All Stars 2019
« on: August 12, 2019, 10:28:19 AM »
I reckon

S Cluxton
T O'Sullivan R McNamee J Cooper
J McCaffrey J McCarthy P Durcan
B Fenton  D Moran
S O'Brien M Murphy C O'Callaghan
D Clifford C McShane P Mannion


Dublin 7
Kerry 4
Tyrone 2
Mayo 1
Donegal 1

It's highly unlikely that Tyrone will receive two All-Stars.

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There's fcuk all between the chasing pack.

Kerry and Donegal both comfortably beat Tyrone in knockout Championship games this year. Only for the draw and Super 8s group I don’t think they would have reached the semifinal. I would have both Kerry and Donegal ahead of Tyrone in any “chasing pack”, hard to know what to make of Mayo.

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Thought Tyrone were Deegan'd personally.  3 terrible decisions, 3 points for Kerry at the start of the second half shifted momentum towards Kerry. Really can't see Kerry getting within 7.
This, for me. He brought Kerry right into the game. Tyrone were the better team over the course of the game. That said, they failed to make it count. Harsh to point a finger at one player but McGeary totally fcuked it today.

It's not going to do Tyrone supporters reading and believing any of this type of thing. They are hyped up year upon year as an All-Ireland contenders yet repeatedly come unstuck against good opposition in Croke Park. It'll probably be the same come next year.

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