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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 26, 2020, 02:22:11 PM »
Taking what too far? I think I've made some very fair points on O'Connor, others have disagreed but I haven't see anything to change my mind. I do think O'Connor is very overrated and its lazy analysis to point to his scoring records alone, I think any decent forward would have the same scoring records as O'Connor if they played in that team and were entrusted with the same duties and faith that he's had there.

You're absolutely taking it too far but that's nothing new with you. I still don't know why/how he's overrated or a weak link on the team. What national pundits proclaim Cillian as one of the top forwards in the country? The old cliché of mayo having no forwards has persisted right throughout his career. There's 14 pages on this thread of people pointing out everything he can't do.

The fact he scored a hat trick against Limerick is used as a stick to beat him with. Apparently that's just padding his stats but ignores the fact he has scored 2-5 vs Kerry, 1-8 vs Dublin and 1-9 vs Dublin. But all the Armagh forwards are better than him because they looked good in qualifiers or Ulster championship games which they generally lost.


You ask who is proclaiming him as a top forward? That's been the entire theme of the thread. One of your comrades is claiming they'd take him over Michael Murphy and Conor McManus. You then spend paragraphs trying to defend him as if he were a top forward.

The 3 scores you mentioned there? Kerry score had 1-3 out of the 2-5 from placed balls in 100 mins, with the other goal being a tap in. The middle score doesnt exist. The last 1-9 mentioned v Dublin was all from placed balls. If you're trying to argue that he's a good freetaker (inside 35) or penalty taker, noone is arguing with you there

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GAA Discussion / Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
« on: June 26, 2020, 02:09:17 PM »
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.

Galway only need to win 4 games to capture the All Ireland and the first one of those is against a Div 4 side who they have beaten in Connacht the previous two years by 13 and 21 points.

Connacht were due to meet Ulster in the semi and Dublin due to meet Kerry in the other. Theyve switched this to make it Leinster v Ulster. Connacht and Ulster counties should be up in arms.

Don't think so. It was Connacht v Munster in 2011, 2014 and 2017 so it's due again this year.

The system got changed in 2018. Connacht met Munster in 2018 S8s. Was in the fixture list that Connacht would meet Ulster this year. Ulster have now met Leinster in 2017, 2018, 2020. Ulster are being royally shafted

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GAA Discussion / Re: 2020/21 All Ireland Football Championship
« on: June 26, 2020, 01:12:53 PM »
Wrong about what?

The reported proposed football Championship just suits Kerry and Dublin
It still suits only Kery and Dublin.
Angelo  sure Galway have been favourites to take over from Dublin every year since 2016 ;D
On a serious note will many players opt out of Club and/or County?
Players who work in the Health Service e.g. Mc Caffrey, R Wylie or need to protect vulnerable relatives.

Galway only need to win 4 games to capture the All Ireland and the first one of those is against a Div 4 side who they have beaten in Connacht the previous two years by 13 and 21 points.

Connacht were due to meet Ulster in the semi and Dublin due to meet Kerry in the other. Theyve switched this to make it Leinster v Ulster. Connacht and Ulster counties should be up in arms.

Galway have an easy run to a connacht final but very tough from there. Kerry are the big winners and have by far the easiest run. Followed by Dublin

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 26, 2020, 09:58:01 AM »


Has anyone here called him useless though? I don't think I've seen that term bandied about, the contention is that he is overrated and his scoring stats are ridiculously inflated due to the team he is on and the role he's been allowed play in that team - he would not come close to replicating them with any other county side in that time.


Nah noone here has called him useless. You'd hear him called that a lot by Dublin fans etc, , or on twitter or pub talk. He gets opposition fans ire up with his sportsmanship so theyre more inclined to have a proper pop at him. Of course its nonsense, hes a good player, probably in the 10-20 range somewhere of forwards in Ireland in the last 10 years, with his position being achieved through longevity, consistency and obviously freetaking. Ive seen the odd suggestion from Mayo fans, generally after losses, that they shouldn't be starting him. That's more nonsense but it crops up now and again. Makes ya think though

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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 26, 2020, 06:03:44 AM »
That's the thing about most internet debates ... people retreat further and further back into their positions.

We now have on one side: COC is one of the premier forwards in Ireland better than Murphy and McManus
And on the other: COC wouldn't be the best forward on the Antrim team.

Isn't the reality that COC is a great forward (although filthy) and has demonstrated that over many years, and, his scoring record probably flatters him somewhat and he's not necessarily a better player than those lower on the scoring list.

Important to remember as well that he's just a young lad doing his best for his county. There's not too many on the board that can speak from a position of experience when it comes to IC football.

I don't think anyone is saying it. Someone half read a sentence by rosnarun and others are responding to it. He states O'Connor is better at scoring. The stats back it up. Is there anyone really saying O'Connor is a better footballer than McManus or Murphy, don't think so.


You're the one misreading it. He said he'd take O'Connor on his team over Murphy or McManus. Whether that implies he's a better footballer or not, i dont know, but it's obviously ludicrous and it's hard to someone seriously if they're coming out with that.

He's not "better at scoring" than those two. He might be better at frees inside the 35 than those two (although dontfoul's stats are worth reading in that regard). Both the other two are far better scorer's from play. Murphy was a behemoth from his intro to IC football at 19, posting ridiculous returns from FF. He has to play out around the middle now out of necessity. McManus is double and treble marked regularly, generally plays in lower scoring games, generally plays with worse teammates in tougher games and has comparable scoring stats from play. There's very little padding of stats with 4 goals versus Limerick on his CV.

Cillian is a grand player. He's a consistent free taker and used to be a very good score getter, albiet that's tailing off. That's it. People who say he's useless are wrong, as are people who build him up to be a forward of the very top class. He's never had to deal with double marking (even at club level it's been a rarity once out of Mayo), and he's rarely on the oppositions top defender. He's has a very high scoring return largely through free and penalties, mostly won by others. His scoring rate in All Ireland finals now reads as 1 point per game from play on average, and has been held scoreless from play in 3 of them.


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GAA Discussion / Re: Cillian O'Connor wins Golden Boot Race
« on: June 25, 2020, 03:00:45 PM »
Having considerably more time than sense lately. I decided to check out Cillian’s scoring returns, some of them at any rate.
I decided to concentrate on his championship games from 2011 to 2019, his entire championship games so far, that he scored in and I used Willie Joe’s blog for the statistics.
The format I used is fairly straightforward.
The year, the number of games he scored in, the monthly total of actual scores and finally, the number of scores from frees, penalties, 45s etc.


So, here goes….

2011, 5 games, total score 1-19, frees etc. 0-14
2012, 5 games, total score 0-21, frees etc. 0-19
2013, 5 games, total score 6-22, frees etc, 0-18
2014, 6 games, total score 5-36, frees etc. 4-25
2015, 5 games, total score 3-34, frees etc. 1-29
2016, 9 games, total score 2-44, frees etc. 1-34
2017, 10 games, total score 3-66, frees etc. 1-48
2018, 4 games, total score 3-22, frees etc. 0-18
2019, 6 games, total score  2-26, frees etc. 0-19


He scored in a total of 55 games, notching up 25-290 in all with 7-224 from placed balls. His total from play in that period was 18-66.
His overall score in points was 365 and of that, 245 came from placed balls and 120 was from open play. In other words,approximately one third of his total came from open play.


I have COC record as 25-297(372) in 55 championship  games. Remarkable record.  Sean O'Shea and maybe David Clifford  will get close to the record.
if they do They will deserve it .
and lets hope every can find it n they hearts to credit them for it , unlike the reaction to Cillain Just because he can look after himself
in fact one of the biggest barriers they will face  is each other .

I have no issue with O'Connor being able to look after himself. He just happens to be a fairly limited player who has benefited from being handed a free taking duties.

His brother who also has some of his less endearing attributes is 10 times the player COC is and one of the best half forwards in the country.

If Mayo had a Michael Murphy, Conor McManus, Paul Geaney etc, the likelihood is that O'Connor would then really struggle to make that Mayo team. They solve the free taking duties and there's no way you can say that O'Connor gives you what Andy Moran, Jason Doherty, his brother, Aidan O'Shea or Kevin McLoughlin do from play.
do you not Believe stats and relay on your own prejudices instead. Cillain is a better player than any of those when it comes to scoring and I would not swap any of them ,
then you continue your nonsense by blaming Cillian for having other great players on the team , ow far would any player get if he was playing with Donkeys
another great leadership aspect of Cillian's is you never hear him ( or any of the mayo team) whinging about how hard life is and how warm and comfortable sitting by the fire  is like Niall morgan is going on with the lst few day
.  A great way to undermine you team . Will harte put up that Crap?

Am I reading this correctly? You wouldn't swap Cillian for Michael Murphy or Conor McManus?

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Stars of the Sunday Game era.
« on: May 19, 2020, 12:04:57 PM »
According to the Podcast the Voting for the half forward line so far is:
1. P Spillane 5,300 votes
2. P Canavan 2,600
3. D Connolly 2,500
4. M Murphy
5. C McDonald
6. M Connor
7. C Kilkenny
8. M. Donnellan
9. D O'Sullivan
10. T Giles

There are only 500 votes separating Canavan and Connor

Therein lies the problem with group voting and Youtube highlight reels. You have Connolly in 3rd and McDonald in 5th, both with the grand total of 1 All Star each. Multiple footballer of the year winners (plus multiple time all stars) in behind, including some not in the top 10. Giles won 2 FOTY awards even

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: March 02, 2020, 12:17:23 PM »
Team P W D L +/- Pts.
Galway  5 4 0 1 22 8
Kerry  5 3 1 1 4 7
Tyrone  5 3 0 2 -14 6
Dublin  5 2 2 1 4 6
Donegal  5 2 1 2 18 5
Monaghan  5 2 1 2 2 5
Mayo  5 1 1 3 -14 3
Meath  5 0 0 5 -22 0


To be relegated:

Mayo 2/9
Donegal 6/1
Monaghan 15/2
Tyrone 16/1
Dublin 100/1

To win the league:

Dublin 15/8
Galway 9/4
Kerry 5/2
Tyrone 8/1
Monaghan 16/1
Donegal 20/1

I see absolutely no justification as to why Dublin should be favourites to win the league.

Their next game is a gimme against a relegated Meath. Potentially their final game could be against a Galway team already qualified. Even if not, they're favorites for that and are obviously decent favorites at home against either Galway, Tyrone and a lesser extent Kerry in a final

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 26, 2020, 12:07:11 PM »
Savage amount of Galway posts in here of late , deny the giddiness if ya wish but Joyce has really put belief back into Galway football , I’m starting to think gawd no please no .

We don't have a Willie Joe blog with 700 hysterical posts every time McLaughlin misses a free, so the commentary tends to get congregated here. Should probably be a specific Galway thread. Can freely discuss player and benefactor indiscretions here at least :p

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 24, 2020, 03:25:32 PM »
If you'e going to hit someone with the shoulder you better be making sure you make contact with his shoulder and not his head otherwise you're going to get the line. He was unlucky in terms of being a fraction out with his timing but you can't afford to be a fraction out with a challenge like that, there's always the danger a player in possession will move his head which indeed happened.



That outlook makes a mockery of the current rules in the game.

The GAA are basically sanctioning players to commit tackles that could cause dangerous injuries if mistimed by the slightest of margins.

Either the shoulder tackle has to be outlawed or you have to allow some leeway in situations like that.

Everyone loves the big shoulder hit, and it's great for a player when they connect with one fairly. But the rules on it are very clear. You go for that big shoulder hit, you 100% have to connect correctly. If you're even a milisecond mistimed, or if the forward is a fraction too quick for you (as Brannigan was yesterday), then you're in trouble. It's happened time and time again. Happened to his own teammate Niall Morgan against the dubs last year, happened to Richie Hogan in the Hurling final. You go for the big hit, you run the risk of getting it wrong. Or do as Oisin McConville said on league Sunday last night, leave the ego aside and go for a tackle that's much safer and more efficient.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 23, 2020, 07:50:29 PM »
That is McShane's season over.

You could see the bone coming out through his sock there.

Think McAliskey had a similar injury with Clonoe a few years back.
Given all the press around his return you could have almost have called this happening to him at some stage this season. Nightmare. Hope he has no long term issues over it

Ya looks a bad break/dislocation.

Will definitely need surgery and can't see him being involved this year now as a result. Best wishes to him as you say.

Leaves Tyrone in a bad way going forward.

The surface in Tuam is very, very bad. The ground completely gave way on him coming down there.

Conor Lane was absolutely scandalous today, think it was after he did everything he could for Galway against Derry a few years back that Brian McIver packed management in at county level. Tyrone will rue the missed chances in the first half before the red card though.

That was the qualifier game that Galway won pulling up by double scores? Yeah he made the difference that day alright

It was the qualifier game where he denied Derry a stonewall penalty with 3 points between the teams in the final ten minutes and which Galway then went straight up the pitch and scored a goal.

He was definitely the difference that day.

Tyrone threw away 4 or 5 goal chances in that first half, when the red card came in the first half and us trailing by 5 it was game up.

Lane was atrocious.

I can understand a complain about a tight call in a close game. Not in absolute hammerings however. I personally thought the red card call today was a bit harsh, but they tend to be given when you go in with that sort of force these days. We all like the fair hard hit but you get it an inch wrong and you're in trouble. Didn't make a jot of difference to the result though. Galway were 5 up at the time. They'd have won that game today with 12 men

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 23, 2020, 04:02:24 PM »
That is McShane's season over.

You could see the bone coming out through his sock there.

Think McAliskey had a similar injury with Clonoe a few years back.
Given all the press around his return you could have almost have called this happening to him at some stage this season. Nightmare. Hope he has no long term issues over it

Ya looks a bad break/dislocation.

Will definitely need surgery and can't see him being involved this year now as a result. Best wishes to him as you say.

Leaves Tyrone in a bad way going forward.

The surface in Tuam is very, very bad. The ground completely gave way on him coming down there.

Conor Lane was absolutely scandalous today, think it was after he did everything he could for Galway against Derry a few years back that Brian McIver packed management in at county level. Tyrone will rue the missed chances in the first half before the red card though.

That was the qualifier game that Galway won pulling up by double scores? Yeah he made the difference that day alright

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 09, 2020, 12:38:36 AM »
As someone that was shouting for Monghan throughout the game, I thought the ref was more than fair to them tbh. A number of easy frees given in the second half. The lack of play on to McManus looked bad because he was clear through but the whistle was blown for a contact foul long before that and Dubs stopped playing. Someone will have to do the clock on the injury time, went way over but a hell of a lot of the original 6 was wasted also so hard to know. I'm sure league Sunday will do it

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GAA Discussion / Re: U20 All Ireland football championship 2020
« on: February 08, 2020, 04:48:38 PM »
The game shouldve been called off to begin with. These penalties are wearing the patience thin, despite the fact that Galway keep winning them. Pleasantly surprised such a young Galway side could hold their own.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 - 2020
« on: February 03, 2020, 06:13:02 PM »
Id imagine Cooke's on the J Visa now that I think of it, the 1 year you get directly after finishing college. It's a one time thing also, so while i'm disappointed he's not thinking about his football at such an important year/age, that visa is a very hard one to pass up if you get the chance. I certainly regret not doing it personally

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