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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: February 07, 2020, 11:41:06 PM »
Think this is crazy, to offer that amount (and let it out) with sites and all the rest, for 1 good year (the previous years he was nowhere near good enough). This year regardless was going to be tougher to back up what he did and not having Donnelly beside him will add to the difficulty, and it will be some crack if he gets injured for a period of time the knives will be out quicker than ever. Nobody would turn it down, but he really doesn't deserve half of it tbh, a job and a car would have been plenty. Not a good precedent to be setting let alone be plastered round the media.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: November 12, 2019, 09:31:35 PM »
Look it would have been a factor.
He ripped the bone of his hamstring.
Had been off the field for probably the guts of an hour.
Very strange decision ( which I don't blame the player for ) considering how serious the injury was.

This shouldn't happen, bad management decision, a similar incident happen last year in the intermediate final a clearly injured player came on and in the first contact he buckled. Take the decision out of the players hands and use a fit player on the bench or reuse a non-injured sub that you have taken off at worst - no sympathy for either player or manager, if this is the chain of events.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 03, 2019, 08:39:34 PM »
Replays are brilliant.  It's another day out for players and supporters. Another game to look forward to. That's what it's all about. Not 1 player would want it sorted on penaltys

Replays are bias towards the “bigger team” or the favourite you will get more upsets and more entertainment imo and more hope for the underdog that they can get a result that day

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: November 03, 2019, 08:09:48 PM »
2 Tyrone clubs eliminated form their perspective Ulster Championships on penalty shootouts. I understand a winner needs to be determined but the penalty route doesn’t seem right to me. I’d sooner see 45s as a GAA alternative maybe just the one nominated kicker one per club.

Portglenone v lamb dearg  had 45s  , a few weeks ago . It was a pile of rubbish  compared to tension penalty kicks would generate !

thought the frees from 35yrds in the antrim c’ship was great, but don’t like the penalties, but all in all i think it is a positive having an outright winner on the day, replays are a balls.

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General discussion / Re: Quinn Insurance in Administration
« on: October 30, 2019, 10:48:22 PM »
Brian Darcy, Micky Harte and all the others who were out marching to support the Quinns are very quiet on the campaign of violence, kidnapping, death threats etc.
Some belt of lawlessness these days stretching from Down through Armagh, Monaghan, Cavan and Fermanagh.
In fairness nobody gave a shite about the campaign of violence and death threats until it escalated into terrorist-style kidnapping and torture.  When the authorities seem to be dragging their heels in response to it, individual citizens would be very foolhardy to stick their own necks out.

This is the real question, the authorities are toothless and gutless, to me there is a 'sure let them ones handle it' sort of vibe of it and regarding the PSNI - realistically if they can't catch a squad of eejits in a low loader and digger carving up bank machines then they will not find anything here. They can only catch ye speeding and that's when you are coming to them ffs.
 
And then they have the audacity to say in the paper yesterday that the attacks came out of the blue - just a few years of threats and intimidation, cars burned out and an assault in a shop but out of the blue all the same

Jesus wept

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: October 20, 2019, 07:00:15 PM »
Looking ahead to the next 4 year cycle Ireland and their new coaches will need to develop Carberry into a world class #10 which I am sure he has the ability to be with sexton hitting 38 in 2023 he probably won't be much more than a bit part player if even. We also need a new #9 whether thats gonna be McGrath who is definatley able to lead the new team or someone coming from the u20 squads of previous years.

Carberry not good enough, there has to be a better player to go with.

If there is a serious push on this WC Quarter Final thing, and the WC is the be all and end all then Healy, O'Mahony, Sexton, Kearney and Earls have to be culled and serious questions over Stander, Murray, Klyne, Murphy and blood brand new players with an effective game plan - this will probably lead to some very hard to watch years but it is either continue with what has been done before and peak mid-WC Cycle or get to a semi final - I don't think this will happen but I do think that the squad is in decline after 4-5 brilliant years (excluding 2015 WC) and a few players that you only get every 3 or 4 generations, BO'D, P'OC, J Sexton, Conor Murray etc. The barrel is dry and it will be tough watching for a while but it was good while it lasted

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: September 28, 2019, 11:23:46 PM »
it just looks again like a peaking issue, schmidt is on year 5, there is a lot to say in successful coaches usually run in 4 year cycles (olympic cycles) - leinster leaked within 4 years and tailed of, guardiola and that barca side, the recent madrid side and you will probably see it in the liverpool and man city teams shortly - huge peak in irish rugby in 2018 ( and we where only getting over the line in a lot of games)  in personnel, club and country after that the only way is down and stagnation and it won’t be admitted but the key players are not at there peak or injury prone and it just we are at the back end of the cycle and there will be a sorry exit i’m afraid - but would live to be wrong

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: September 06, 2019, 11:27:03 PM »
Trillick looked really sharp but the main story is that Dromore completely capitulated after brennan’s goal - the flood gates opened then and no way back, no bite or intensity. wouldn’t be writing trillick’s name on the cup yet, last years champiosnhip should tell us that, what seems like clonoe in the next round would be a massive test for any team.

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: August 11, 2019, 10:50:36 PM »
Fed up playing Donegal too..would love to get a crack at Kerry (or Mayo) and try to put to get rid of the  'can't beat any of the big 3' accusations.

Personally I don't think we got the credit we deserved for beating Doneagl (in Ballybofey) and Monaghan in Croke last year.

Sadly, it's more than an accusation. We haven't beaten any of 'the big three' since we won the All-Ireland in 2008. In the intervening eleven years, we've played Dublin, Kerry or Mayo a total of 9 times in the championship and won none of them (only one was a draw, the rest we lost by an average of 5.6 points).

I unfortunately expect another two losses to Dublin & probably Kerry over the following fortnight.

Called it.

There's something about this Tyrone team, and I don't mean that in a complimentary way, sadly.

The are a decent team but nothing more than that. They are a team devoid of leadership, devoid of flair, devoid of anything stand-out. Too many of the same type of uninspiring players that look like they had spent the half hour before games getting their hair sitting just right. And managed by a man who seems to have lost any interest in/ ability for tactical innovation.

I agree with that analysis of the team but not harte, i think he is rinsing the very limits of what he can with this team, we are 3-4 in the country but are missing a midfielder and another forward, atm mark Harte donnelly and mcshane and we are done. Harte will not go, after the sunday game and a lot of “should he go” articles in the press we will get a “I love this team and mickey harte” or something to that effect by the players and it will be as you where 3-5th in the league, probably an ulster title and super 8 or semi exit for 2020 - we don’t have the players and they don’t have the hard edge/mentality to get an all-ireland

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: July 24, 2019, 10:39:14 PM »
Made the brave decision to watch last year's All Ireland final again this evening.

Dublin started off quite sluggishly, they missed a few scores you'd expect them to get. Tyrone had a lot of joy with the early ball in but I think Cian O'Sullivan was struggling with an injury which was a factor. Tyrone were also extremely wasteful in their purple patch early on and could have been 6 or 7 points up as opposed to just 4.

A bad kickout from Morgan cost us the first goal and Dublin tagged on a few quick scores but we actually came back into the game after than and were a bit wasteful on a few occasions on the front foot. The second goal killed us, Meyler gave away a silly free out the pitch when there was no need and then McKernan needlessly over commited and sold himself which led to the second goal.

We completely wilted after the second goal and Dublin just seemed to hungrier to everything. The response wasn't good in that period and the game had eventually slipped away from us by HT. Our decision making went to shit and the players let their heads drop. I thought our defenders held up reasonably well for the most part, McKernan got absolutely destroyed by Con O'Callaghan and it was a failing from Mickey Harte not to change something earlier. Kilkenny also was beginning to grow into the game and get the better of McCann around this point.

On reviewing that, I think the same failings are still happening with McKernan, he is still very young and I don't want to be too harsh but he doesn't sense danger or read the game well. He's a gung ho type player who commits himself far too easily, this was exposed against Cork and Donegal already this year. He's got lots of energy and is physical and can be a good player to bring into games near the end but I don't think he's mature enough for the level of football we are entering into at this point in the year. I think Frank Burns suffers similarly to McKernan in that he overcommits too much when one on one but to a lesser degree.

The two goals were completely avoidable and Dublin were ruthless with them, they didn't play all that well in the first half but we gifted them two goal chances that were ruthlessly taken and it was game over.

Mayo have been in similar situations that Tyrone were in at that stage in the final. I can recall Mayo being 4/5/6 maybe even 7 points down to Dublin in some of their games in recent years and they've came right back at them. They didn't panic or let their heads drop and unfortunately that's where Tyrone fell apart last year. In that period, they lost their heads, panicked when faced with pressure and wilted in the battle, Dublin were targeting isolated Tyrone players and the support play wasn't there like it was in the early parts.

I do think Dublin are vulnerable when you get a run at them, we saw it in Omagh last year when the game looked gone and we nearly reeled them in near the end and we've seen it with Mayo in the past when they've brought themselves back into the game from big deficits. Cluxton is well capable of having a meltdown himself. Tyrone simply have to cut out the silly mistakes and be much, much resilient and composed in the face of setbacks. If you're start feeling sorry for yourself after a setback to Dublin, the game will be over with the snap of a finger.

Did the same after the donegal game - by my count (in no order) Meyler, cavanagh, morgan and mcshane killed us in avoidable forced and unforced turnovers and after donnelly saying on sky in the lead up that dublin’s decision making is really high end and we need to bring ours to the next level make ye wonder what goes through lads heads, but defensively hampsey and brennan where brilliant

Re:mckeirnan his biggest asset is his speed and when you put him on someone equal or more pacey your screwed i.e brennan and positionally against cork he bit in on kerrigan and let that loughrey through on goal - just don’t make him think!lol

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 13, 2019, 12:06:05 AM »
Tyrone players went on some rip in Monaghan on Saturday night!

Maybe that is what they needed.....

Hampsey has a back problem(pelvis) that needs a op....That would maybe explain his form....never trained last week due to this problem....



Heard he was injured and shouldnt have been playing. I withdraw my roasting comment from a page back. Would that of been Hartes call or himselfs??


Winners like him would not admit that injury is as bad as it is...IMO...He would have done his upmost to convince management he was good to go...

without knowing the exact details of the injury but imo if this is the case it shows the whole set up is nowhere near a professional as it is being made out - take the decision out of his hands, get him the op now before more damage is done playing hurt and then running into the club season and either not fit to play for them or doing more damage having to play. He is vital long-term get him sorted now and recovered right, next man up - shit happens move on

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 09, 2019, 04:16:10 AM »
once they got regrouped at half time they had they dominated in large parts the second half but the damage was done. both harte and the players have to take heat for that the lack of leadership, confidence and a plan B was shocking. it shows Harte is the most influential player we have as the effect on the team until half time was palpable. But the calls for mccann to pick up brennan and not starting r brennan to pick up mchugh was crazy, particularly brennan not starting on mchugh where he has not give him a kick in previous matchups. mccann should get and deserves a length ban - no place for that bullshit, make an example of him

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 25, 2019, 08:25:34 PM »
Poor Niall definitely had one of those bad days yesterday where the high risk things that he often pulls off where not going for him yesterday.
At one stage nearly every kick out was coming straight back in at him right away. You could blame him or the jumper for the ball but kicking against a strong wind this often happens
He totally mis-judged the flight of the ball for the goal but you'd imagine between himself and HP they could have worked it out better 2 v 1 and the one wasn't even that tall.

I thought Petey didn't have a great game as he ran into a lot of trouble like of days of old and a few times there seemed a kickable score on and he just recycled it which once actually led to the 3rd goal.
McShane as Aidan O'Rourke points out so well here has had a very impressive 3 months and has shut up a lot of the nay sayers. It certainly seems interesting that we could be looking at a FF line of Mattie, Petey and McShane come the summer although all three will probably be rotating in and out quite often.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0325/1038397-tyrones-attacking-prowess-a-tactical-evolution/

to be fair to morgan all the goals came that end and  where f**k ups of some description (didn’t think it was a penalty imo) so the wind could have played a big part on the flight of the ball and coughs him out abit which can happen. but the result of the game was largely due to the goals turning momentum, we tend to struggle with physically bigger teams that match our work rate like galway and mayo and it was going this way until the penalty.

 never thought i’d say this but mc stays analysis on keepers in general was spot on imo

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: March 25, 2019, 12:08:48 AM »
a very positive finish to the league after a pretty dismal opening few rounds, the few 1 week breaks have brought the team on a lot. the direct kick passing (although some of it can be v inaccurate) is a lot better on the eye and the players seem to be enjoying it more. the positives are Harte, donnelly, mcgreary and in particular mcshane the penny has dropped and looks really really good, and hopefully this improvement continues. the negatives for me is still morgan, mcnamee (when left 1on 1 is a liability)  and the team in general seem to go to sleep for small periods and teams can create a load of scoring chances - but barring a glut of injuries in the club league, the team look in good shape for ulster this year

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: February 11, 2019, 02:12:11 PM »
Have we seen this before where we go into a new season full of hope and excitement with how good the new recruits look in the McKenna cup and talk of huge competition for places and then it all falls flat on its face.

A few weeks ago we were EXPECTING to win for the first time in a long time down in Killarney but again we are left feeling a little cheated as fans and wonder what the hell is going on.
It seems pretty obvious now that the team has no interest in fighting too hard for a win at this time of year and are just going through the motions. Our lack of an obvious Plan B has risen its head again as we continue to be very predictable and want to run with the ball all the time and then don't know how to break down a defensive blanket.

Brolly and Dessie Dolan were almost creaming themselves last night watching the Kerry v Dubs game and saying this is how football should be played. Poor JC didn't know now whether to interrupt them and disagree with everything Joe said as before or to let them both off the leash.


It seems pretty obvious from Harte's interviews and newspaper chat that he has zero interest in this league and staying up is his aim and even if we go down is it that bad.
The run last year to the AI Final probably has confirmed his beliefs about you gotta pace yourself and be more ready for July and August rather than worrying should you lose a first round match in Ulster in late May.
With what SHOULD BE two easy games v Derry and Antrim to begin with I'd say Mickey's focus is on 9th June semifinal v Fermanagh or Donegal.

I know I know I shouldn't make assumptions to beat 2 Div four teams.

Re Midfield, I thought Kennedy would be catching a lot more clean ball but I suppose this is all very new to him and he's not really had a good partner in the middle.

One big rumour indeed where we should all back off and stop digging. Do ever learn to stop adding to the bad news that follows us around and let sleeping dogs lie.

If you are being completely honest I think there is a lot to be admired with how both teams played on Saturday night. Now whilst I wasn't there at that game nor even the Tyrone game yesterday - elements may/may not have been a factor both Keane and Horan have come in this year and given their attack clear purpose, get it in there. Maybe the inside mark coming in has helped this, but you have to wonder what Harte and O'Neill are telling the tyrone players because there doesn't seem to be one player willing to be selfless and get the head up and kick in straight away. Instead it's a near obsession with safety, getting it sidewards, go back, keep the ball, slow.....My issue is there doesn't seem to be any kind of attacking plan right now. Would that be a fair enough comment?

Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have a number of forwards that can win their own ball (50/50's) Dean Rock, costello, mannion, paddy Andrews, mcmenamin, Sean o'shea, Clifford (when playing) Geaney, Moran, O'Shea's and O'Connors - in the final of the McKenna cup, Kerry, Mayo and Roscommon to date I have seen our forwards (McCurry, Brennan, O'Neill etc.) have been out muscled, turned over and pushed way down the field defending(McCurry has been exposed for 2 goals against in 2 games now, being in the FB line). This is why I think we are using the running game and trying to pick holes because when Tyrone go direct the percentages of it sticking is poor. Although it will be interesting if McShane stays in there now as a target man / ball winner.

And I hope they all invest in a pair of boots with studs, their are playing in Feb ffs, too much slipping and sliding done.

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