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#1
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
March 15, 2024, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: Jim Bob on March 14, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
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Quote from: God14 on March 05, 2024, 07:34:39 AMGood article by Cahir OKane in todays Irish news about the problems with our attack. he's saying essentially the players are there its the shape thats wrong. i would strongly agree with him

He is basically saying Brian Dooher and his coaches aren't up to it.

That might well be the case.

Very good. Strange Cahir wasn't asked to take Derry when Rory Gallagher left

Exactly. You get a job as a reporter and suddenly you are an expert in GAA.

I don't know if this guy played football to any serious level but he starts telling a double all Ireland winner where he is going wrong.

This is standard confirmation bias on GAA reporting (annoying but par for the course) e.g, when Donegal where flying high '11-'16 suddenly that gobshite Devenney was on everything going spouting word salad on defensive systems, now that Derry are going well a Derry journalist is has by default more sway in analysing what Tyrone (and other teams) is doing wrong, he is a journalist re-writing what he is hearing in the stands and press box.

In general the standard of reporting, analysis and use of BS 'Statistics' to validate argument is so so poor in football atm, but I suppose you get that with the extra coverage its getting which has never been better, swings and roundabouts
#2
GAA Discussion / Re: New Jerseys?
November 10, 2023, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: marty34 on November 09, 2023, 06:58:49 PM
Quote from: God14 on November 09, 2023, 01:56:05 PMHappy enough as well with the Tyrone jersey, but ONeills people could do more. like all the new O'neills jerseys now have this crew neck. Derry Donegal Down & Tyrone

Why not differentiate and mix about more? Derry jersey looked far better with a collar imho.

Its been like this for a long time, all a bit samey - template jobs

Very true.

Just seems a lot of the same with all the jerseys.

Shorts, training tops and leisure gear are all the same. O'Neills have the market and seem to want to keep all the counties' gear the same - easier for them I suppose.

Mc Keever has Armagh obviously, and Leitrim I think. Azzuri has Waterford.

Any other different company's?

I see more competition with clubs' leisure gear, with a lot of different companies involved in that nowadays. O'Neills don't seemed as bothered with that.

Funny in the 6 counties, O'Neills has a load of big stores but in the 26 counties, they seem to sell their stuff through the sport's shop.

Know a person working in the Strabane factory of Oneills, they where saying that the templates are just what Adidas soccer and rugby jerseys have come out with, added with a bit of custom designs/patterns (county colours etc.)





I don't particularly care who or what they copy or plagiarise but charging £55 for a ripped of bigger brand for a garment that must only cost around £10 to put on the shelf is abit shite - but I suppose its the 'Guaranteed Irish' thing that is pushing the price up
#3
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
October 30, 2023, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: Quarterbackk on October 30, 2023, 08:53:52 AMTrillick wanted this more - 6 or 7 blocks in a game is incredible.  Outside Errigals county men the sum of the other part didn't add-up to a whole pile.  Ruairi missing free in extra time was a good opportunity to build pressure. Id  have preferred to see Darragh hit it.  Regardless fair play to Trillick.

Thought the same, the other players really where looking the county men to get the thing turned and putting on lads that have been subbed or carrying a knock is not a big endorsement of the panel of a supposedly great Errigal side that where unbackable before this. The only area where Errigal won yesterday was breaking ball, throught they cleaned Trillick out but Trillick looked way better conditioned and hungry which seen them over the line.
#4
Quote from: clarshack on June 26, 2023, 11:08:56 PM
People seem to be forgetting the 6 goal hiding we took before the championship in 2021. Therefore Tyrone have won 4 out of 5 against Kerry so far this decade.

Cant believe I forgot that - My bad!! thanks for correcting
#5
Huge pressure on Kerry imo (already crying abut covid protocols from 2 years ago on socials) - Tyrone have Beaten Kerry in the last 4 games. (League in Edendork '20, AISF'21, League in Killarney '22 and this year), defending AI champs, they need to beat Tyrone and Jack really needs it as well. Tyrone have been stammering through the year and whilst Donegal have been a basket case it was a game they where expected to win well and it was the first time they have shown their teeth did what was expected. The matchups look to be class contests, McNamee and 3 others on DC, Meyler and Paudie, Hampsey on O'Shea, Foley on Donnelly, but the key matchup is who do Kerry match O'Sullivan on he's different class.

Personally if (and its a big if) they can keep Clifford hassled and crowded, then he tends to run out of steam abit, coupled with a tally of around 2-18 and the sight of the green and gold, Tyrone by 3-4
#6
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 20, 2023, 09:05:55 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 19, 2023, 03:31:26 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on June 19, 2023, 03:20:01 PM
Saturday was really poor (Bar DC) - it was still a game where Tyrone looked to be holding back (not starting McCurry), but not seeing a 4 point advantage against a mid table division 3 side is pathetic, given the supposed standards they are holding themselves too, and I still think they are not as well conditioned as they have been in the past.

Ballybofey is where the excuses stop and everything with management, backroom and players will be laid bare and if they don't get a result against a basket case of a county then it will put us back a fair bit given the standards of the last two years, and Ballybofey could be the graveyard of the Tyrone management again. The one thing I spotted from the coverage was Doohers body language, hands in the pockets and arse against the railing - either fed up or nonchalant about the result, but only a few snapshots in coverage so could mean nothing.

Not a clue what to expect to be honest.


That's just dooher. You see him at it every game which can be a bit frustrating. Need a big target man to go alongside McCurry or darragh. Mcshane is ideal for that role.

Missing a few direct runners like mckenna did in 2021. This side way crap needs to stop. Run directly at defences and chances are you will get a score or get fouled for a free. No idea for the life of me why we don't do this.

Don't think we are holding anything back or trying not to show our hand, I thought that in 2022 and turns out we were just shit. Think it's the same this time.

Agree on target man - but McShane is not the answer, he's has shown too many times he can't do it, on the direct runners the most frustrating change was Oguz, the lad looks to be everything you want, big strong quick but taking him off to me was crazy, he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt if you are looking for him to develop
#7
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
June 19, 2023, 03:20:01 PM
Saturday was really poor (Bar DC) - it was still a game where Tyrone looked to be holding back (not starting McCurry), but not seeing a 4 point advantage against a mid table division 3 side is pathetic, given the supposed standards they are holding themselves too, and I still think they are not as well conditioned as they have been in the past.

Ballybofey is where the excuses stop and everything with management, backroom and players will be laid bare and if they don't get a result against a basket case of a county then it will put us back a fair bit given the standards of the last two years, and Ballybofey could be the graveyard of the Tyrone management again. The one thing I spotted from the coverage was Doohers body language, hands in the pockets and arse against the railing - either fed up or nonchalant about the result, but only a few snapshots in coverage so could mean nothing.

Not a clue what to expect to be honest.
#8
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
April 17, 2023, 12:59:33 AM
if you score more than 1-15 in most games you should win, particularly at home, the forwards did their job, half back and full backs not at it today. I would have been v scathing of the effort over the league, but i have abit more hope after that today - as i think it was nothing other than v poor game management and i think a small eye on derry. that said M O'N had the summer of his life in '21, he his lost at this level and mcgeary burns and harte need a massive toe in the hole as what they are churning out atm is shite - oguz after his league had to start and not leaving donnelly inside exposed him, still expect AI semi or AI final appearance through the back door
#9
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
February 26, 2023, 11:03:28 AM
seriously average stuff, massive transition in progress as the centre of defence is non existent, munroe just isn't the standard and Harte is has never been a centre half, up front - outside mccurry things are v light, canavan looks the part but unless he gets in the ball in a bit of broken play he is easily enough nullified - Stopping goals and trying to score at least 15 points to put yourself in a position to win a game seem to be a step to far for this group atm and it will be tough viewing for a few years
#10
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
February 19, 2023, 09:38:49 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on February 19, 2023, 06:43:49 PM
Hampsey was marking Tierney for two marked kickouts in the second half when Kilpatrick, Kennedy and Oguz were all on the field.

This imo swung the game, galway got 2 or 3 scores off that and it lifted them to see the game out, where Tyrone absolutely butchered 3 point scoring chances with nice build up play (sludden, hampsey and canavan) at the start of the 2nd half which would have i think given them momentum to go ahead. Some of the shot selections was shocking but don't think it was a bad performance as strange as that sounds
#11
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
January 29, 2023, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on January 29, 2023, 10:19:11 PM
Quote from: Scoring Zone on January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly

You say they don't look fit - they're not carrying weight, does their sharpness then come back to the S&C of Peter Donnelly? The same Peter Donnelly who had them in the shape to win an all Ireland 2 years ago - it's a funny old game.

To me particularly in the last 20 very heavy legged, a particularly in a few roscommon counter attack they seemed to be able to pull away from the tyrone men and the support play was not its usual energy - so it's either they are doing a load of work during the week or conditioning isnt where it needs to be but don't think i'll watch that one back to verify!
#12
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
January 29, 2023, 09:34:14 PM
agree with a lot of this, but everyone associated with the team is under the cosh now, personally i think it should get really ruthless now and would cull a few lads (up to 8 lads) a few big hitters and men milling about the squad but not making an impact - as they didn't look fit, organised and the worst of all motivated, they look to be a group of lads cording themselves that they are motivated and doing the work but when the heat comes on they fold. Reset in culture needed quickly
#13
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
December 11, 2022, 10:22:36 PM
Its very easy to hold onto lads that don't have the medal and squad that was just good enough to do it if they got a break - Logan and Dooher got them over the line and it looks like a lot of them are happy with their lot or don't want to sit around on the bench (bar Bradley). I think it could be a rough enough 2-3 years as the more established and dominant players transition out and the younger lads get their feet - as there is nothing but potential atm
#14
Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
August 29, 2022, 12:21:49 AM
Quote from: WT4E on August 28, 2022, 10:33:40 PM
Would agree. Seems like wanting to be different Is his thing and doesn't know what he wants. I hope he is happy back in Australia. Would be a dream for alot of lads to have done what he's done so enjoy it and less complaining.

He seems a fairly carefree/easy going  sort of personality which would suggest this flitting about with what he wants, but in the cold reality, he achieved what he said he wanted come back and win the AI with Tyrone, but equally, bar the league games in 20 where he looked that he would properly be a headline talent, much of the 21 AI championship and 22 he was pretty inconsistent at best (albeit with huge game defining moments, without them no AI) and his club performances where dirt - he will leave abit of a gap in the squad not not a big one
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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
July 24, 2022, 11:21:23 PM
If that today (and the year past) does not light a fire under all of the u-20's and the whole senior squad  as well as club players (trying to break into the seniors) to really go hell for leather to make the senior squad nothing will - All-ireland is wide open for the next 5 years