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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Donegal - Sunday 18th June at 2pm
« on: June 23, 2017, 02:42:28 PM »
Did any of ye at the game see this point that Mark Bradley scored where Peter Harte hit an amazing diagonal ball that curled into Bradley's path. Woolie Parkinson was giving out loads about the BBC coverage showing too much replays and that they didn't see this amazing pass from Harte.
I don't remember it myself but a few are saying its the best pass of the year so far.

I watched it on BBC and the replays took away from a lot of the action so i didn't see it. It was highlighted a lot on social media during and after the game. I don't know if it was a super pass or, a very good pass being used to add more weight to the problem of replays during live coverage.

General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: June 19, 2017, 03:18:43 PM »
The fact is that Dublin recommended this to its people,as a preferred outcome.This was akin to Britain surrendering to Germany to maintain peace in 1939.

Jimmy Deenihan,a Dublin Govt minister,admitted in a recent tv debate that Irish Unity wasn't affordable

It was also recommended by 3 of the 4 main parties in the north, in London & Washington. No it's not akin to that.

He admitted it in a debate that is on going. Is it Government policy that Unity isn't affordable?

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 19, 2017, 12:56:26 PM »
So "McNamee pooped up further up the field a lot."

I'm glad he doesn't shit on his own doorstep  ;D

Would agree with most of your player summaries there though I thought Morgans kick outs were excellent bar one that went over the line.

I think Conal McCann was a bit lost yesterday to be honest and didn't really get into the game.
I'd like to see him do well as I think he's usually good for a few scores.
That is the biggest positive and hope for me that we have a huge amount of players who can kick good points from far out and so we are not over reliant on any one or two players any more. Some say this is our problem that we don't have a clutch player any more but in todays highly defensive systems if your top forwards are held scoreless then if you can't get scores from elsewhere you are in trouble.

I think our FF line now is no longer really used for getting scores. Mattie and Sean mainly play out the field and yesterday Bradley was used to keep two Donegal defenders busy covering his runs while we played ball out the field.

There were times yesterday and other days Pete harte has done that job. If he was wearing 15 on his back he'd be seen as someone who can do a little magic and turn a game. I think it's a case of pundits looking for an excuse to mention Canavan, O'Neill or Muligan than talk about current players.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and Hurling
« on: June 19, 2017, 10:57:59 AM »
I think that it is worth noting that if Mc Hugh had of buried his gift of a goal, this would have been a very different game.

It's not worth noting that.

General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: June 19, 2017, 10:57:17 AM »
Read these words slowly.Over the last 100 years Dublin has done nothing to advocate even for a United Ireland,has rescinded its claim to the North and has admitted that Unity is not affordable.

Dublin's position on a UI is fluid. Dublin did not rescind it's claim for a UI. The claim was rescinded by the people through referendum with the prospect of an end to armed conflict as a result. It's a very narrow argument to make. Are you are leaving out context to make it easier for you to arrive at the wrong place?
 Where is there an admission that unity is not affordable? As far as I'm aware it's still an on going debate.

GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Donegal - Sunday 18th June at 2pm
« on: June 19, 2017, 08:53:25 AM »
Why does Thomas Kane/Niblock say Hampshey for Hampsey. Whass that about hi

It's the influence of Irish where the 'se' sound is 'sh'. Not uncommon.

GAA Discussion / Re: Top 10 Forwards since 1977 - Survey Results
« on: April 25, 2017, 08:13:41 AM »
Bernard Brogan? Really? Run this poll in 10 years and Brogan wouldn't even be mentioned, never mind make the top 25. Connolly either.

Connolly is the best forward in the best team ever.


Haha! You think I have nothing better to do than try to set out to offend people? My choice of words is an accurate picture of how I interpret these ancient texts. I could refer to the invisible man in the sky as "almighty holy and merciful God" but it wouldn't be an accurate description of how I view that character. If you choose to be offended by it than that's your business.

No, I don't think that. And I didn't choose to be offended. Is your argument not strong enough to defend without the need to insert a new argument and defend it instead?
I said i'm ok with your interpretation of the text. I somewhat agree.


His explanations are based on run of the mill, every day, plausible interpretations e.g. pooling of food. Or they're based on scientific theories for which there is actual evidence e.g. flood myths being based on the flooding of the Black Sea through the Bosphorus. That's a lot more than can be said for a literal interpretation of the actual biblical stories.

As for your offense at the Mary bit, are you really that sensitive and delicate?

Yes, agreed.

I'm slightly offended. I'm not a strong catholic yet am still slightly offended.

Mary is a very important figure in Catholicism. While the faith is not above criticism the specific criticisms of Mary by the poster are deliberate with the intent to offend. The faith in and the figure of Mary can rightly be questioned without the need to degrade.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 22, 2017, 09:48:15 AM »
I don't think I've missed the point at all. There is a national issue with fixtures and county player availability. No matter who manages Tyrone the issue is going to be there. So there is no point attacking harte who when you look at other counties is pretty reasonable.

He is the appointed county manager and has to do what he thinks is best for the team. He is competing against other counties who are having week long training camps and more access to the players. He is expected to compete and has been seen here recently when things don't go well takes the blame and serious abuse for results. Everyone can't have it both ways.

The issue needs addressed nationally were designated periods are put in place for club football that can't be touched. Until then the county board need to do there best with the current structures to allow the county to remain competitive whilst allowing regular club games.

They came up with in my opinion a decent proposal which would have allowed 11 starred games and regular matches from June to August which is traditionally the period with biggest problem for fixtures. The clubs voted it down which I can't work out.

I agree that another manager would do the exact same thing and therefore change is not needed.
There is a big theme here that our ability to compete now and in the future is being hampered by the problems facing the clubs. Many here believe this will have a negative impact on our ability to compete therefore lowering expectations. Go back and have a look at the comments as see there is a lowering of expectation.


I think the gnostic gospels (Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Judas, etc.) are interesting. The story behind why they didn't make the "final cut" of the Bible is a great story in itself.

What I take from the Bible is that there probably was a Jesus-type character who was a "prophet" in the sense of being a philosopher and public speaker, since that was a common thing in Palestine at the time. The re-telling of some of the stories has lost some accuracy along the way, which is a pity because some of the intended lessons were lost. Case in point; the feeding of the 5000. It's told today as him performing a miracle by converting small amounts of fish and bread into large amounts. What really happened was people in those days carried food around with them because there wasn't exactly a grocery store or cafe on every corner. Some of his followers had run out of food, so he got everyone to put a bit of their food into a pile that could be evenly redistributed among the crowd. It was a lesson about collective effort to help everyone.

Did the crucifixion happen? Sounds about right since the Roman state felt a bit threatened by civil unrest he was stirring up with his newfangled ideas. The Romans wanted stability.

Did the resurrection happen? Obviously not, but if he somehow survived the crucifixion and was seen alive afterwards then that would explain how that little story got out to a small number of people. People being misdiagnosed as dead is not unheard of. If an earthquake coincided with his apparent "death" then the superstitious nature in everyone would have pounced on that as a meaningful event.

As for the old testament, some interesting creation myths in there. I heard once that there is evidence of a big ancient flood in the Black Sea region, so that would have fueled the Noah story.

So my personal take on the Bible a scripture in general is that there's probably a kernel of truth in a lot of it, but I don't accept supernatural explanations. I mean, what do you think is more likely? Mary was impregnated by an alien or was she fooling around with someone and decided to stick to her story? That said, there are some good lessons and messages in there. You can agree with the teachings of Ghandi without being Hindu, and you can agree with a lot of the teachings of Jesus without being a Christian.

That's a very deliberate and offensive choice of words.
Adding a question mark is a cowardly way to try to escape that.

Your explanations are based on current theory applied to a 2000 year old event. Your explanations are at least equally open to dismissal on those grounds.
I agree with you that the bible is not an accurate historic account but there is no way I'd try to offend Christians for their faith. Nor would I argue with an atheists with deliberate attempts to offend.

Can a few carry a player on his shoulders while he holds the ball high in the air?

This would mean the ball carrier could cover the distance of the pitch without taking any steps and there is no determination on how long it might take to take 4 steps.

General discussion / Re: The Catholic religious orders and power
« on: April 22, 2017, 08:34:48 AM »
The Catholic Church has been instrumental in providing valued health care and educational services to the vast majority of people North and South for decades,saving the Governments in both jurisdictions countless millions.

Perhaps given the ingratitude and downright offensiveness the Church should withdraw their services,reallocate them to grateful populations in the Third World,and let the Government and tax payers,North and South,take full responsibility for Health and Education.

This somewhat contradicts you position on your own thread here -

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: April 22, 2017, 07:24:19 AM »
Yeah cause a new manager is going to come in and free up the players to play club football every weekend whilst still having Tyrone winning all Irelands playing open attacking football. The only issue I have is with the timing of the request for the training weekend.

When you see what other counties are doing it wasn't an unreasonable request to have the players for one of the 6 weekends pre Derry game. He wasn't even demanding that the games were cancelled just moved to mid week.

Midweek games happen in local soccer and other counties and in a one off scenario weren't the big deal they were made out to be. Harte is far from perfect but has been allowed clubs access to their county players as much if not more than other top county managers in recent years.

This board has got terrible. Full of crying and yapping and over dramatising everything. Just like other forms of social media I guess. The majority of people now on the Tyrone pages complain in at least 75 per cent of messages. There's been 2 full rounds of club games and plenty of underage games with very little talked about them. The county players and management give an awful lot to the county and don't deserve half the crap they get.

I think you miss the point here. The issue here is with Harte as this is the Tyrone Forum. The fact that it happens elsewhere does not mean it's not a problem. Your argument is like claiming Global warming isn't a problem because China have more emissions than Ireland.

General discussion / Re: Stormont Assembly Elections 2017
« on: April 21, 2017, 02:10:34 PM »
There are over 500 English MPs  in Westminister so it doesn't matter a damn who from the North (or Scotland/Wales) take or dont taketheir seats.
if there is a hung parliament it does.
The SF position doesn't make sense now. The net result of their foostering is that NI is in limbo.

It makes no difference to the position of sending Irish men and women to London to rule Ireland. In a practical sense it still makes no difference either.

As for NI being in Limbo? This is the result of it's place within the union and nothing else.

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