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i have never rd some much shite on one tiopic in all my life . kerry went into yesterdays game hot favorite and end ed up lucky to get a draw so whats the discussion .
All the things that mayo did wrong .
does no one have a bit of perspective on this . Kerry have have every bit as much  more soul searching to do this week as mayo . 
ii mayo had won yesterday would fitmaurice have been in trouble , of course not but even with a draw i feel a lot of mayo fans would not object to Rochford getting the boot midweek (reductio ad absurdum of course)

The stacked kerry media decide the debate.

val, if that was Joe Bloggs versus John Doe, you'd say the full forward comfortably got the better of the full back.

And given that the full back has been an instrumental player for the team in an attacking sense this year, you'd have to question if it's worth it.

True. I think Kerry responded well with the tactical change. Rotchford could do nothing about kerry's response to the change. I think Mayo play with fear. With 20 mins to go they should have pulled AoS back out to at least make us believe they wanted to go win it. Instead the fear of losing dominated the decision making.


Not, it's not.

Most people who have watched AOS regularly could have told you exactly what was going to transpire if you played him as a full back.

What did transpire?

It's a bit of a curate's egg, the O'Shea - Donaghy thing. Mayo were obviously petrified of the high diagonal ball, with Geaney and O'Donoghue living off the scraps. From that perspective Aidan O'Shea could be said to have done what he was supposed to do, in that Kerry just didn't bother playing that ball at all with him in there, and the one ballooned ball was won by O'Shea.

However, Donaghy was instrumental in a lot of Kerry moves, and if you were to ask simply who got the better of the battle, it was Donaghy. We all know he's not the most graceful or the quickest, but he showed he can peel off his man, and make decent runs. O'Shea just didn't know what to do with him. And Donaghy scored a point, set up at least 1-2 or 1-3, and generally seemed to be pulling the strings for Kerry.

So it boils down to this if you are Stephen Rochford.

Do you commit to the same plan knowing that a) You are your own man, who has been in great form, out of the game as an attacking threat in order to negate the high ball to Donaghy, b) Knowing that O'Shea can't 'mark' him as a traditional full back and c) Knowing now that Kerry expect it, and did reasonably well against it even when they didn't expect it, or know for sure?

He has to stick with it. It's impossible to know if it worked or not. Only a series of games could tell you that.
Putting O'Shea in for the specific reason to mark Donaghey shows lack of faith in Mayo defenders. It's too late now, that has happened.
Changing it back is an admission of tactical failure and will do nothing to restore that lost faith. All Kerry need to do is have their many pundits talk and write about this all week. How Rotchford lost the tactical battle and how he should fix it. Really go to town talking about it. if they can instill a lack of faith in Rotchford's tactical decisions (right or wrong) it will give Kerry and advantage.


So the modern day economy of Britain no longer benefits from the centuries of slave trade?

And current day slavery. The UK like Ireland and many other Countries deal in trade with Countries like Saudi, China, India etc that use slavery.
The word slave has been replaced with the word employee in many industries.

GAA Discussion / Re: Cork fans flying the confederate flag
« on: August 19, 2017, 09:24:53 AM »
From today's Irish Times letters page:

Sir, – If Cork fans want to fly the Confederate battle flag, that is their choice. If, as some may claim, it is a harmless flag, in the context, and is only used for its colours, well, there is another flag to hand that they may use that contains the same red, white and blue, ie the British flag.

No takers? I didn’t think so, given the reputation of the Tans in Cork. Well, now they know what “offensive” means. – Yours, etc,


I'd say the Confederate flag being used by Cork fans is a symbol of secession from the Union.
It's probably more about 'the people's republic of Cork' than anything else.
To suggest it could be replaced with the Union Jack is a silly cheap shot.

GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Dublin - The end of an era
« on: August 07, 2017, 12:10:51 PM »
Dublin HAVE all of these advantages:

The best team

You could have stopped there.


For years they were the only county in Ulster with an all Ireland.  They would talk about stuff nobody in Tyrone would understand

That's 57 years ago.


BBC reporting a Tyrone fan punched a female Armagh fan.

Are they reporting on the gender of the Tyrone fan?

A great and and well thought opening post.

i agree entirely. It's sad that this level of spite has become part of the game. The game is not just 70 mins but part of our culture and heritage. It's an expression of ourselves and how we like to be viewed on the world stage. It's a shame when the greatest ambassadors of this cultural expression are shot down at every turn by bitter fools. Take heed GAA fans, these attacks and constant abuse fired at Dublin can't be contained and will destroy the greatest collective prize, our pride and dignity.

GAA Discussion / Re: Dublin vs Monaghan, Saturday 5th August @ 6pm
« on: August 07, 2017, 10:01:46 AM »

Nobody is playing as defensive as Tyrone and they are awful to watch. There is another thread named 'hurling puts football in the shade' and there was a time I would have strongly disagreed however, it's increasingly difficult to say football is a good spectacle. Nobody is playing traditionally anymore but Kerry and Dublin certainly play more conventional than Tyrone.

Yes, thank god Tyrone are worse.

Time to hit the road to Maynooth and then train to Croker.
C'mon Ros ye can do it lads.
If it doesn't happen let the experience be a springboard to better things over the next few years.

All the best. I hope ye do it. Don't spend the mortgage money.

GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone v Dublin - The end of an era
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:34:43 AM »
This match boils down to a duel over 2 competIng economic visions.

Tyrone are Brexit with their strong and stable defence, disdain for experts and snowflakes who think the game should be exciting to watch. Puke football is Puke football. No scoring forward is better than a marquee forward who won't say the rosary . Unvindicated assertions of a future of deals within the top 3 . Not interested in the customs union for customs such as kicking the ball long . Want to have the freedom to write their own regulations .

Dublin represent continuity in the EU.  Highly neoliberal with obscure funding arrangements .


Colm Cavanagh says two rosaries for every man not saying one.

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: August 05, 2017, 09:35:54 AM »
Any word on how the Errigal Dromore game went?

Errigal won 12-10

Memories of the 00s:

Mugsy's goal after a few seconds in 01
Thornton's miss in 02
Block in 03
McGuigan v McGeeney in 03
Stevie's points in 03
Stevie tearing Bellew a new one in 05
McDonnell a goal hungry hoor 05
McGrane 05
Replay shenanigans 05
McGeeney pointing 05
SF 05
Probably the best game to attend, yet took days off our lives.
McDonnell again the hoor.
Bad substitution.
Mugsy didn't really want to take it.

I was chatting John Devine. He wan't impressed at all. Said he had it covered and Gorrmley stole his moment being the selfish Carmen b**tard he is.

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