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GAA Discussion / Re: Neil Francis
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:05:17 PM »
the reason Tugby would not be that worried about the GAA is the natural catchment areas are so very different .  protestants, professional, wannabes and shopkeepers make up the majority of the rugby senior teams team in the west of Ireland with a few corrowed from the winter from the GAA,
I used to play/ train with ballina for a few winter in a vain attempt at staying fit and thin and its a fine club very welcoming and were very early in importing foreign coaches and players who made a huge difference to the club , But there is always a sense of those who belong v tourists  and the bar afterwards was always like the vicarage tea party .
also interesting to note they now employ a fine GAA journalist as a PR agent how many GAA clubs with a paid PRO?

Lad, you are way off the Mark. Maybe 20 years ago but no more. Check out where the U18s on Ballina Town club come from today.

It was way off the mark in my time there which started 25 years ago.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Neil Francis
« on: June 19, 2018, 03:37:15 PM »
the reason Tugby would not be that worried about the GAA is the natural catchment areas are so very different .  protestants, professional, wannabes and shopkeepers make up the majority of the rugby senior teams team in the west of Ireland with a few corrowed from the winter from the GAA,
I used to play/ train with ballina for a few winter in a vain attempt at staying fit and thin and its a fine club very welcoming and were very early in importing foreign coaches and players who made a huge difference to the club , But there is always a sense of those who belong v tourists  and the bar afterwards was always like the vicarage tea party .
also interesting to note they now employ a fine GAA journalist as a PR agent how many GAA clubs with a paid PRO?

While in more traditonal rugby area's of the country in Dublin, Cork and Belfast might or might not have had this atmosphere your recollection is complete bullshit (Neil Franicis esque bullshit) as I was playing there at the same time about 2 underage groups below you. All bar a small couple of families involved in the club were involved in the Stephenites, Crossmolina or Knockmore cause Ballina RFC couldn't survive if they excluded catholics or farmers or gaa or soccer people. Most people on the senior team, your team and my team (bar one or two) went to the same shite school in the area, played GAA, probably played basketball and soccer too. One of my coaches on those underage teams also managed Crossmolina senior team for a couple of years and has managed Ardnaree and Castleconnor.
I played Junior B rugby with Stephen Rochford for a few games and the people that ran the club when I played were all men who would have come from the same backrounds/schools as the men running the Stephenites or Crossmolina and the current chairman is the father of a star player of the Mayo ladies football team. The cliques, commitee men and shit stirrers involved in Ballina RFC were no different to their GAA or Soccer equivalents as was the case with other country rugby clubs like Creggs or Monivea as there simply wasn't the numbers to sustain them exclusively from people from privately educated Protestants or Catholics schools!!
As for the bar they drank the same amount of pints of guinness or smithicks or glasses of whiskey as I saw downed in the Stephenites bar after games and many the same people drinking in both albeit on different days of the week!! Maybe in the 50's it might have been like what you described but sure back then they didn't have a clubhouse so were all probabaly drinking in Rouses or Moclairs with fior gaels anyway!! I played rugby for the same reason the majority of my team mates did as in the club was down the road, it was someting to do and it kept me out of my parents hair for a couple of hours. My Dad played no rugby at all till he was in his late twenties and nearly all the Dad's of my teammates were the exact same!!
Only when I played underage at provincial level or was involved with Ireland underage development camps did I encounter the kind of elitism of private boarding schools but I am sure in time that will all change too. Back then if you told me a team from Dalkey would be back to back All Ireland Club hurling champions I would have bet there was a better chance of me scoring 5 tries against the All Blacks!!
One of the stars back then of the Ballina Rugby team back then and backrow stalwart for years was Crossmolina All Ireland winning midfielder Thomas Loftus who wasn't just coaxed in for the winter from Gaa!! Maybe he was a Belvo or Methody or Pres Cork alum as I never asked him where he went to school??James Horan was a team mate of his on the gold plated private fields of Creggs road too!!!

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Great result for Mayo, any standouts in that Mayo team?

I saw them as minors 2 years ago against Kildare and nobody stood out that day, realise a lot can happen in 2 years at that age. With dropping from 21's to 20's some people are expecting too much for a lad to go straight up to the senior panel although Sean Kelly from Galway was U20 last year and was only a sub in the Connacht Final yet started for the seniors yesterday and he was one of the smaller lads physically last year.

The set up at minor until this year seemed to be very ad hoc for three or four years with mangement changes and problems with coaching appointments accross the county. What has made the difference is Mike Solan has been stable at U20 level since 2016 with a good backroom team,a lot of these lads had success with St Colmans, Ballinrobe CBS, Rice College, St Geralds and Our Lady's Bellmullet at secondary school and most importantly playing at club level in a very competetive club scene in Mayo. Westport had these lads on their All Ireland wining intermediate team, Claremorris have lads playing senior club and Bellmullet have lads competeing well at intermediate which is very strong the last 5 years in Mayo.
This has probably brought alot of these lads on strong then the likes of Johnny Maughan have been winning Senior county titles Mitchels.Playing against all time great clubs like Corofin has to be more benfifcal for a young lad than an elite training squad can ever be? Alan Brogan had a good piece about how the Dublin lads were a lot more doninant at U21 in Leinster than minor due to the fact a lot of the U21's were playing in a very competitive senior club scene rather than training exclusively in development squads!!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connacht Senior Championship 2018
« on: June 17, 2018, 05:46:47 PM »
Well done Galway, first team into the super 8's. Good commanding second half but you get the feeling it was down to Ross imploding rather than anything Galway did different from the first half. Bradshaw had a mighty game and seems to be playing his best football in a long time!!

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: June 08, 2018, 12:16:31 PM »
Leinster not happy. Calling it forced migration.


Boo hoo.

Henshaw.

Henshaw was out of contract. Carberry had two years to run so hardly comparable. Plus Henshaw is from Leinster.

Maybe Carbery's girlfirend is from Cork?
Maybe the media market is bigger in Limerick than in Athy?
Maybe he can garner more corporate sponsorship form JP Mcmanus than from Denis O'Brien?
He will be playing with Conor Murray, Chris Farrell and Keith Earls which will be mean better combinations for Ireland cause there is no way a modern rugby player can develop such important partnerships in irish training??
Maybe the only way he can reach the level needed to star for Ireland is playing in the champions cup for Munster?

Henshaw played his local club rugby from U6's in Connacht. His dad played for the same club, his Unlce the same and he was a prop for Connacht. Henshaw played for his local school which is a Connacht rugby school and played all his provincial schools and youths rugby for Connacht and came through the Connacht academy so in fairness I don't think Leinster are able to claim him as one of their own from till he had the great choice of signing a contract for Ireland playing for Leinster or move abroad to France or England. In fairnes to Neil Francis he still calls Henshaw a Connacht player in most of his colums and always will see him as a bogger from out in bandit country!!!

Ah schadenfreude while extremely petty is so fulfilling at times, just ask the Rossies!! ;D

To be honest it's not as if Leinster are losing their star player,in reality they are losing an exciting and hugely talented but as yet unproven utility back/third choice outhalf. Ross Byrne could beat out Carbery in time at Ireland level as he has at provincial level and the yonger Byrne will be there to back up him and Sexton next year. Sylvester form the U20's and Lamour will give them plenty of young talent in the back three.

I was tongue in cheek about Henshaw. I coached Joey for 2 years and know his Dad pretty well and his girlfriend is from Kildare Town. The benefits are obvious for Irish rugby, it's still a forced migration as he was not out of contract, he didn't want to move period. Henshaw saw the opportunity and it's worked out pretty well for him hopefully it works out for Joey with the Munster Barbarians.

I was on a wind up too and look I know you are a proud Kildare man Dinny and I can totally see why you should be pissed off at this but you can see now why everybody in Connacht was fuming at what happened under the same influence of the IRFU and the national team setup. Like Connacht this was a big deal for Athy club rugby so I feel your frustration. Hopefully though when he is an Ireland star he might be back at Leinster or at least he will show a path for any young fella in the club to think I can realistically play pro and play for Ireland.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: June 08, 2018, 10:48:47 AM »
Leinster not happy. Calling it forced migration.


Boo hoo.

Henshaw.

Henshaw was out of contract. Carberry had two years to run so hardly comparable. Plus Henshaw is from Leinster.

Maybe Carbery's girlfirend is from Cork?
Maybe the media market is bigger in Limerick than in Athy?
Maybe he can garner more corporate sponsorship form JP Mcmanus than from Denis O'Brien?
He will be playing with Conor Murray, Chris Farrell and Keith Earls which will be mean better combinations for Ireland cause there is no way a modern rugby player can develop such important partnerships in irish training??
Maybe the only way he can reach the level needed to star for Ireland is playing in the champions cup for Munster?

Henshaw played his local club rugby from U6's in Connacht. His dad played for the same club, his Unlce the same and he was a prop for Connacht. Henshaw played for his local school which is a Connacht rugby school and played all his provincial schools and youths rugby for Connacht and came through the Connacht academy so in fairness I don't think Leinster are able to claim him as one of their own from till he had the great choice of signing a contract for Ireland playing for Leinster or move abroad to France or England. In fairnes to Neil Francis he still calls Henshaw a Connacht player in most of his colums and always will see him as a bogger from out in bandit country!!!

Ah schadenfreude while extremely petty is so fulfilling at times, just ask the Rossies!! ;D

To be honest it's not as if Leinster are losing their star player,in reality they are losing an exciting and hugely talented but as yet unproven utility back/third choice outhalf. Ross Byrne could beat out Carbery in time at Ireland level as he has at provincial level and the yonger Byrne will be there to back up him and Sexton next year. Sylvester form the U20's and Lamour will give them plenty of young talent in the back three.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds. 9/6/18.
« on: June 07, 2018, 10:16:18 AM »
I hope our forwards can rack up a big score in this one, for a change. Also Brendan Harrison and Vaughan are reportedly injured for us. I wonder who will be in midfield? It's a worry from now on.

Kevin McLoughlin and Danny Kirby were the midfield pairing against Roscommon for most the game last week believe it or not. Neil Douglas meant to have had a great game in the corner too

Very interesting, thanks for the info Oliver,

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GAA Discussion / Re: Limerick v Mayo, Gaelic Grounds. 9/6/18.
« on: June 06, 2018, 03:56:52 PM »
We have been pretty poor all season so I am expecting a sluggish hard fought win with maybe extra time a bit like Derry last year although by the sounds of it Limerick are much poorer than that Derry team.

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GAA Discussion / Re: 'GAA Athletes for a No Vote'
« on: May 07, 2018, 01:48:00 PM »
It is an insult to the GAA what they did. And of course they are entitled to their opinion but trying to hijack the GAA to peddle their agenda was cynical.

Would you have a problem if it was "GAA athletes for a Yes vote"?

I certainly would,  the GAA is about football and hurling and everyone involved with them, leave religion and politics at the door please!!!

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General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
« on: May 04, 2018, 05:47:41 PM »
Alot of people on here seem to be saying they don't trust who we elect to legislate for abortion?
Does everyone here who doesn't trust the governement we elect vote in general elections? If you do why do you vote if you don't trust elected governments?
If they only way we can or feel we can legislate for major social issues is to have it bound in rigid black and white text in our constituition what is the point in us having a democracy at all?
I am in the undecided camp but I don't feel very comfortable with this we can't trust our elected officials to legislate on a major social issues so we need to have rigid text in a constitution to police a major social issue!!!

Other observations I have is the campaign reminds me of Brexit and the American presidential election where the No side is taking a very simple targeted lets have a revoloution against the government/establishment that have made our lives a misery, take back our country, with striking stats that are complete lies etc.. etc.. , and the Yes side is kind of wishy washy rambling set of reasons, all logical and valid but seem limp in soundbite terms to the No side!!!

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Hear Ultan Harney got injured again.
Hopefully he'll be ok.
Tonight is a right fcuk up by Syfīn's hero who obviously thought the JFC was worth something.
I would have thought we'd have used it to give U20s a game seeing as there's no Hastings this year.

Jeez that fella has no luck!!!

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Connacht Minor Championship round 1
Full Time : Mayo 4-20 Leitrim 1-8
Enda Hession (2-5) and Fionnan Ryan (2-1) doing the damage for Mayo.

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 Connacht Minor Championship Round 1
 Mayo 2-8 Leitrim 0-4 halftime

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Sean Boylan's son Ciaran scored a goal 5 minutes into injury time to get the win for the Mayo juniors over Roscommon! Mayo brought on Matt Flanagan and played him as a fly keeper to create the extra man leading to the move for the winning goal!!

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: March 14, 2018, 05:25:47 PM »
Interesting thoughts on the game on Sat form Eddie Jones in this talk last year;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-btm103ZXN4#t=17m43s



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