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General discussion / Re: Cycling
« on: September 19, 2020, 06:24:36 PM »
Primoz looked destroyed crossing the line. Felt gutted for the fella. Saying that he came fifth today and there wasnt a huge amount betweeb 2nd and 5th. Normally that would have been enough.
     But Pogacar was just awesome.

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General discussion / Re: Cycling
« on: September 19, 2020, 05:21:08 PM »
What a finish. This tour has been brilliant.

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General discussion / Re: Cycling
« on: September 16, 2020, 04:27:31 PM »
What a finish. Insane gradients to finish.  Fair play to Superman. Primoz still in the driving seat.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: September 16, 2020, 08:59:12 AM »
Jockey Pat Smullen.

Desperate sad news. RIP Pat.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: August 03, 2020, 01:36:58 PM »
A selfless person and a good man.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: July 11, 2020, 06:41:02 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I5PT65I2ny8

Big Jack.
Legend.

That was great and it brought back some fantastic memories. RIP Jack.

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General discussion / Re: RTE via Satellite in the North
« on: July 08, 2020, 10:08:20 PM »
Just for anybody with Saorsat. You need to retune/reconfigure your receiver to receive a signal. Changed on 1st July 2020.
         

https://www.2rn.ie/broadcast/saorsat-digital-television/

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General discussion / Re: Holidays
« on: July 08, 2020, 02:46:58 PM »
Was fortunate enough to get 5 nights booked for Gyles Quay l. Taking a lend of a relatives caravan. Not the usual summer holiday but it will be great craic to take the young one away for a few nights. Hopefully the weather brightens up a bit and we'll have a few bbqs etc.

Ä30 euro a night including the electric hook up.

That actually sounds like great craic. Im sure will be brilliant.
      The thought of towing the caravan and all that goes with setting up the caravan on the pitch would put me off though. There is a bit more thatn meets the eye with caravans!
     Hope you have a great time.

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General discussion / Re: Cycling
« on: July 02, 2020, 05:45:35 PM »
3 of us almost wiped out last Thursday on the back roads of Inishowen around 7.30am. Toyota Rav literally brushed against us going about 70. Put the fear of god in us. 1st incident like that in about 40 lockdown morning cycles

Happened me 3 times and after the 3rd time I didnít get on the bike for a long time. Itís such a dangerous sport at times.

Yep, having a camera (facing behind) is a necessity and report actions like that. If drivers realised that there was a strong likelihood that they could be recorded by any cyclist then bad behaviour might be improved.

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Please God let the football/hurling start soon, maybe poster's might be too busy arguing the form of their county/club than this craic.

P.s. im sorry if using the term ' God ' offended anybody.

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You don't think that by the early months of 1945 it was all but over for the Axis powers? I guess you could make some kind of argument for Japan holding out for a bit, but Germany?

By that time, the Red Army was already in eastern Germany, closing in on Berlin, and the Allies had crossed the Rhine.

https://omniatlas.com/maps/europe/19450324/

The battle of the bulge was a disaster for Germany alright, and but for that they could have held out on the western front for much longer. But you're right, that given the resources the allies had at their disposal, that the end result was inevitable.
        However, a German regime change  even at this late stage could have altered the end outcome of the war drastically. Churchill and Roosevelt had long before altered their sights to Stalin and the iron curtain.
         Certainly, it is well known that most if not all German forces would much prefer to surrender to the western allies than the dreaded Soviets. An agreed surrender in favour of the west, may have freed sufficient troops and materials to at least have reduced the eastern european land grab by the soviets.
      All what ifs and maybe's but im sure the blueprints of a plan had been devised to thwart old Joseph. 
         

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Under the circumstances, I don't personally have an issue with it.  The historians can fight it out. No matter what I say, I'm sure you have a counter argument.

But I'm not arguing that the Allies conducted the war immaculately or that some of their decisions can't be second-guessed afterwards. Dresden was one of a number of cities firebombed by both sides. The writing was on the wall for the Germans by that time (same as the Japanese when Tokyo was firebombed the following month), and they still would not countenance

 I suppose my point is more a hypothetical one. Is it justifiable to carry out war crimes(arguable by some) for the greater good? I think in this specific case you dont have an issue with it and thats fair enough. My point is why not just call a spade a spade.
   And you are right, looking back and judging historical actions and in particularly military ones is fraught with difficulty. Those top military brass didnt have access to the information we have now and had to base their strategy on the limited intel they had.
        If there is one thing that ww2 shows is the amount of negotiating and deals that went on behind closed doors. No doubt the evidence of it has been destroyed but you can bet yer bottom dollar a deal would have been struck between Germany and the Allies had Hitler been removed, as the allies realised the threat the Soviet Union posed.
      So to say the writing was on the wall for the axis powers is only partially true, because as events proved during the war anything could and did happen.
           
           
     
         

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a particularly dirty business, and a World War against the most evil regime in human history is the dirtiest business of all. Germany was not in any sense a reasonable enemy. You can't fight according to gentlemen's rules against a totally unreasonable and undeniably evil enemy

I suppose a couple of issues i have with this logic. A pedantic point really but, who decides who or what was the most evil regime in the history of mankind? How do they quantify all of this?
      There has been some pretty bad regimes going of the top of my head in terms of sheer scale Mongol empire, Stalin and Soviet Union, the Nazi's, British empire, Mao and Pol Pot. All bad bast@rds in my eyes.

   But when you state 'Germany was not in any sense a reasonable enemy. You can't fight according to gentlemen's rules against a totally unreasonable and undeniably evil enemy'. You are entering very dicey territory. You are dehumanising and entire people. Once you do that you should gave no problem fire bombing or using chemical and or biological weapons or whatever you want outside of the Geneva convention.
          I'm sure that first line is in every terrorists handbook btw.

Germany WERE a totally unreasonable and evil enemy. Their modus operandi was the complete dehumanization of any groups that didn't fit into their idealized vision of what the German world should look like. You can make the argument if you think there have been worse regimes.

From the actions of the Einsatzgruppen across eastern European, which, to basically save morale, evolved into the industrialized mass slaughter of millions of human beings, I'm hard-pressed to come up with words to describe the utter callousness, cruelty and immorality of the Nazi regime. The German people were seduced by Hitler, they facilitated what was to come. The regime fought to the death and at no point attempted to stand down and surrender in the face of the advancing Allies, even using concentration camp prisoners, whom they subsequently slaughtered, to try to cover the tracks of their atrocities against the Jews and peoples of eastern Europe before the Russians arrived in town.

So, was it ok to firebomb Dresden?
     The justification of Dresden basically boils down to: they were bad bast@rds and they got what they deserved.
       Thats fair enough, the Nazis were some of the worst examples of humanity that ever existed. In the eyes of the allied military top strategists the allied firebombing campaign in Germany had one specific goal namely the demoralisation of the German civilian population.
        Perhaps in the context of ww2 and the Allied fight for survival the argument for such an action could be made. Perhaps war crimes were necessary for the defeat of Nazi Germany?
       
       

     

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You miss the point entirely.

No, i dont think i do. Its always the same argument when it comes to Dresden or any similar action by the British whether it was in either of the ww's, Kenya, India, South Africa, Malaysia or even here
       ' desperate times required desperate actions'
       Call a spade a spade. Firebombing Dresden was a war crime. It doesn't matter if the Nazi's or the Soviets(allies) carried out worse actions, Or that the allied airmen(who were carrying out orders) had high casualty rates(They were certainly brave men that is not in doubt).
       History is written by the winners and that is why there was never any or there will never be any  prosecution of that act.
       

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a particularly dirty business, and a World War against the most evil regime in human history is the dirtiest business of all. Germany was not in any sense a reasonable enemy. You can't fight according to gentlemen's rules against a totally unreasonable and undeniably evil enemy

I suppose a couple of issues i have with this logic. A pedantic point really but, who decides who or what was the most evil regime in the history of mankind? How do they quantify all of this?
      There has been some pretty bad regimes going of the top of my head in terms of sheer scale Mongol empire, Stalin and Soviet Union, the Nazi's, British empire, Mao and Pol Pot. All bad bast@rds in my eyes.

   But when you state 'Germany was not in any sense a reasonable enemy. You can't fight according to gentlemen's rules against a totally unreasonable and undeniably evil enemy'. You are entering very dicey territory. You are dehumanising and entire people. Once you do that you should gave no problem fire bombing or using chemical and or biological weapons or whatever you want outside of the Geneva convention.
          I'm sure that first line is in every terrorists handbook btw.

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