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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 17, 2018, 02:51:18 PM »
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

Why does everyone make this assumption? Economists have looked into this and found that with the elimination of duplicate bureaucracy the island would be a lot better off.  GDP would be up, not down.

It would take time but yes it would be better longterm

It would take a long time and a lot of voters wouldn't be around to see that day.
The costs of integrating public bodies, civil service, rationalisation, cross-community integration,  enhanced security etc etc would be huge.

Germany had bigger problems and they made it work.

Not saying it couldn't/wouldn't work,  but those are just some of the reasons people might not vote for it

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 17, 2018, 08:16:25 AM »
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

Why does everyone make this assumption? Economists have looked into this and found that with the elimination of duplicate bureaucracy the island would be a lot better off.  GDP would be up, not down.

It would take time but yes it would be better longterm

It would take a long time and a lot of voters wouldn't be around to see that day.
The costs of integrating public bodies, civil service, rationalisation, cross-community integration,  enhanced security etc etc would be huge.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 11:30:20 PM »
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

It'd more than likely take 10 or 15 years to come back to normal. I'm sure people could manage that.

Depends on a person's circumstances. In principle,  I'd be willing to take a bit of hardship "for the greater good", but people have mortgages, creche fees, car loans etc to pay.  Not everyone is in a position to give up a few grand so that Sammy Wilson gets an opportunity to squak in Leinster House

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 16, 2018, 10:08:48 PM »
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Connacht Club Championships 2018
« on: November 11, 2018, 03:45:18 PM »
Connacht finals decided.

Senior

Corofin v Ballintubber

Intermediate

An Spideal v Fuerty

Junior

Clonbur v Easkey

Mayo. Ros and Sligo wins. Galway go from treble to whitewash.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo manager resigns - for defo.
« on: November 09, 2018, 10:58:16 PM »
Anyone else annoyed by Horan's statement. Ffs, I'm sure Mayo aren't the only county trying out new players for 2019. Snoopdog may well be correct re Horan.

Pointless but hardly worth getting annoyed about

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: November 08, 2018, 04:27:35 PM »
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/how-dublins-footballers-found-inspiration-and-perspective-in-the-green-fields-of-france-866047.html
Dosen't sound like a training session to me, but perhaps seeing how an earlier generation of young men were caught up in a teriible event. Time to grow up and stop being petty.

Yes, the Dublin GAA Historical Society on an outing. That's all it was.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: November 08, 2018, 11:54:06 AM »
Absolutely farcical!

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GAA Discussion / Re: Mayo manager resigns - for defo.
« on: November 05, 2018, 10:01:11 AM »
Anyone else annoyed by Ah Ref's constant leaking of Mayo football business. Yes he probably does it in good faith, but it annoyed me anyway when I saw it published initially. As for the panel itself, midfield is worrying, very worrying.
Is it the actual panel though?

Doubtful.

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: November 02, 2018, 11:46:03 PM »
There are brickies from south Armagh commuting an hr at most each way to the north side of Dublin, with 1500 euro in their arse pocket on a Friday afternoon, maybe more. That would give you a very comfortable lifestyle in the north.

Brickies taking home over €70k per annum so before tax over €100k gross a year??!!

Why would anybody go to college now when they can earn that sort of money. There are plenty of professional people earning nowhere near those sums.

Bricklaying is seasonal work and it's also heavy work. You'd want €1500 if not more, a week. In fact I don't think I'd do it for €1500 a week.

well its november now and brickies are still working so the off-season must be fairly short!

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General discussion / Re: Presidential Election Vote
« on: October 27, 2018, 11:54:23 AM »
And the populism agenda wins again. Casey has this forum debating the behaviour of travellers and welfare abusers as if that was the big problem facing the nation. As seafoid says, people are bad at numbers. We don't get the difference between first order and second order effects. We don't understand orders of magnitude.

That's what allows the productivity/wages ratio to multiply obscenely in the space of a generation – we watch them robbing us because we listen and believe them when they tell us that the big problem is travellers and a few little people fiddling the dole. That's what gives us Trump, Brexit, Orban, Le Pen. And Peter Casey FFS!

I don't disagree at all but I think it's important to answer... Who are 'they'? 

Is it the politicians?  If so, at what level of politics do you move from being a 'we' to a 'they'.

Is it the banks?  How far up the scale do you have to be in a bank to become a 'they'?

Is it big business in general?  If so, what does your turnover have to be before you stop being a 'we'?

Is it the wealthy people?  How much do you have to be worth to become a 'they'?

The reason that people don't understand orders of magnitude is because it's not tangible to them.  It's the same here.  People don't know who they are.  Who do I blame for this?  How do I stop them doing it again?  How can these questions be answered when nobody can tell them who 'they' are.  Show me some proof and give me some names.

Now, those travellers in that new transit who stole a chainsaw from Paddy's shed and started a fight in the pub... I know who they are and I don't like them.  And this guy here says he doesn't like them either.  So I'm going to vote for him.

Well put

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General discussion / Re: Presidential Election Vote
« on: October 27, 2018, 06:21:50 AM »
So slagging off travellers takes you from 1% to 20%, who knew?

Clearly Peter Caseys advisers did! People are afraid to say what they think anymore.

Like all communities there is a disenfranchised middle.

The ones who earn, who pay for everything and are entitled to nothing.

This leaves an easy target of people who are the polar opposite of the above.


True enough. There is a silent cohort who are fed up seeing so much of their income taken in tax and spent on others who are a drain on society and the economy.

As Trump might say.

He probably would. And he's a horrible person so anyone who shares an opinion with him is shouted down by the twitterati and media as a racist/bigot etc
So people are afraid to give their honest opinion in public lest they be branded. They give their opinion at the ballot and  cue the outrage from the righteous.

You’re labouring under the assumption this opinion shouldn’t be ridiculed or a reason to brand someone.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism. It really is amazing how the people who express the most repugnant ideas are also the most precious. It’s almost as if on some base instinctual level they know they’re creating reasons to fit their pre-existing prejudices.

i think it would be a much more beneficial exercise to ask why 20% of those who voted for Casey did so.
For many, it may have been about tbe welfare system in general, and not to do with the traveller community specifically.
But for many, it probably was about travellers. Again, why is that? It's quick and easy to say they're racist. But why does that seemingly apply only to travellers? There doesnt seem to be such a view against the Polish community for example.
So lets be honest and admit the problems that exist between the 'settled' and traveller communities and not just brand people racist when these problems are shown to exercise many people.

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General discussion / Re: Presidential Election Vote
« on: October 27, 2018, 12:13:55 AM »
True enough, white collar crime costs the country far more but that’s fair enough because they pay some tax and employ people.

Of course if travellers had the same opportunities in life maybe they’d do the same but nobody wants to have that conversation. Casey is a disgrace and it’s deoressing the vote he received.

Casey was a chancer at best, and would have been a disaster as a president, thank god Michael D won it.
But what opportunities are the travellers denied? They largely deny themselves.

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General discussion / Re: Presidential Election Vote
« on: October 27, 2018, 12:11:23 AM »
So slagging off travellers takes you from 1% to 20%, who knew?

Clearly Peter Caseys advisers did! People are afraid to say what they think anymore.

Like all communities there is a disenfranchised middle.

The ones who earn, who pay for everything and are entitled to nothing.

This leaves an easy target of people who are the polar opposite of the above.


True enough. There is a silent cohort who are fed up seeing so much of their income taken in tax and spent on others who are a drain on society and the economy.

As Trump might say.

He probably would. And he's a horrible person so anyone who shares an opinion with him is shouted down by the twitterati and media as a racist/bigot etc
So people are afraid to give their honest opinion in public lest they be branded. They give their opinion at the ballot and  cue the outrage from the righteous.

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General discussion / Re: Presidential Election Vote
« on: October 26, 2018, 11:58:01 PM »
So slagging off travellers takes you from 1% to 20%, who knew?

Clearly Peter Caseys advisers did! People are afraid to say what they think anymore.

Like all communities there is a disenfranchised middle.

The ones who earn, who pay for everything and are entitled to nothing.

This leaves an easy target of people who are the polar opposite of the above.


True enough. There is a silent cohort who are fed up seeing so much of their income taken in tax and spent on others who are a drain on society and the economy.

Like the rich who hide their profits off-shore..

The idea that it’s the poor that are the problem is so completely juvenile and insidious.

Are you talking about individuals or companies?
Either way, at least they are providing employment in Ireland. That in turn contributes to the economy and helps sustain the society we enjoy. That is not to suggest that tax evasion is excusable.
There are some on the lower rungs of society who need help undoubtedly. There are also some who have decided they don't want to contribute in any way because others will do that and they can sit back and reap the benefits - literally. 
They lack both personal and civic responsibility. If the rest of us took that attitude, society would crumble.

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