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Stormont and power sharing will continue. Can’t see London agreeing to anything else

That’s not really a United ireland though is it? If Dublin approves say, grants for school PE gear to each family, but Stormont says no, the 6 counties will still be treated differently to the 26. That’s still partition in my eyes.

The fact that any decision for people in the 6 counties has to be passed by a unionist dominated government, is no different to what we have now.
Is it? There's about 29 county-level local government entities in the south. Is the south partitioned?

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Not really. These top tech brands attract global workforces and Dublin is a desirable location. Despite all the bitching and moaning we ourselves do, it’s a top global city with a thriving tech scene. For the record, I strongly believe Belfast and the North will thrive in a United Ireland. It is not just about low Corp tax, it’s about how you go about attracting international investment, tourism, how you make friends abroad and the like. For all our faults we have done a decent job.

There's a lot of truth in that. Have you been reading David McWilliams' stuff? He talks about the restaurant count. Towns in the north have a far lower number of restaurants than towns with equivalent populations in the south. And he has all sorts of other measures for how the south is just a far more dynamic and competitive economy than the north. The tax haven stuff is only part of it. There's plenty of other tax havens in the world, but Silicon Valley doesn't generally look to the Caymen Islands if it wants to set up the next big R&D centre that needs an educated Anglophone workforce.

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The buzz phrase seems to be “how unionists can be accommodated in a United ireland”. What does that even mean?

Everyone will equally have access to education, healthcare, benefits, roads, etc. Everyday life will roll on. School, work, pub, walk the dog, watch telly etc. They’ll do the same daily things as everyone else.

The only thing that is different about unionists from nationalists is their culture. They’ll still fly their union flag and swear allegiance to Lizzie, Willy or baby Archie or whoever. They’ll still want to march and light bonfires. They already play the “our culture is being eroded” card in the north under the uk. They haven’t walked the Garvaghy Road in 20 years. Will part of this “accommodating unionists in a UI” thing mean they’ll get to march down it again?

Good questions.

I take it to mean, how can the structures of government in the north reflect the fact that there are a million people in there who have a somewhat different view of Britain than the people of the rest of the island? I'd be all in favour of a watered down Hong Kong / Macau situation where the north is governed as a "Special Administrative Region" after partition. Instead of restoring six county councils, let Stormont take on the same responsibilities as county councils. And if Stormont were to be scrapped and the north fully integrated with the rest of the island, require a two-thirds majority in the north to approve such an arrangement.

To your point about marches, I'd prefer it if the lodges could drop the sectarianism and become some sort of benevolent organizations that work to overcome division rather than celebrate it. By all means carry a union jack and celebrate your British citizenship and your protestant values, but cut out the political lobbying and drop the anti-catholic rules from your rule book. You might stand a better chance of marching in such a way that you'd be welcome in catholic areas if you're not perceived as a hostile outside force.

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Yeah, why do people go the bother of going to vote, then spoil their vote.

Makes no sense to me.  A complete waste of time.

I disagree, if 47% (even 5-10%) of the electorate spoiled their vote, it would send a message to the existing parties that the electorate wants something different. When you don't vote at all, it's much easier to say "they can't complain if they can't be arsed voting"

I would consider a spoiled vote to mean "I'm so incompetent I don't know how to fill in a ballot properly" rather than "I demand something different from the parties on this ballot."

You'd hardly still think that if it was ~10% of the vote after a publicised campaign?
If you want to campaign for a specific outcome, it's customary to run a candidate.

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That would depend on how it's spoiled.

"How it's spoiled" is seldom reported, all you usually hear is a brief mention of the number of spoiled ballots. Any "message" you want to send by spoiling your ballots is unlikely to be read by anyone outside of a counting centre. It's like the kid who writes on his GCSE exam paper about how "the school is crap and my teacher's crap and it's just not fair" rather than answering any questions. He still gets an F and only one person gets to see his desperate plea.

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Yeah, why do people go the bother of going to vote, then spoil their vote.

Makes no sense to me.  A complete waste of time.

I disagree, if 47% (even 5-10%) of the electorate spoiled their vote, it would send a message to the existing parties that the electorate wants something different. When you don't vote at all, it's much easier to say "they can't complain if they can't be arsed voting"

I would consider a spoiled vote to mean "I'm so incompetent I don't know how to fill in a ballot properly" rather than "I demand something different from the parties on this ballot."

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Try, by all means.

But history shows that when unionism is threatened it comes out biting. Ulster covenant, civil rights marches, workers strikes, Anglo Irish agreement, fallout from Drumcree parades, fleg protests. Unionists won’t even discuss how a UI might work, as that will already show that they have moved one inch from their “never never never” position.

Some, we'll call them Type A, will come out biting. Others, we'll call them Type B, will be willing to make it work. The question becomes, how do we maximise the number of Type Bs and minimise the number of Type As? A lot depends on how the distinct identity of unionists is reflected in the institutions of the new state.

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If you can’t get unionists on board with an ILA, are they seriously going to consider the possibilities of even discussing a UI?

There are nuances within unionism. Some are anti ILA like the DUP. Some would be ambivalent and don't care about it. Others would be interested in learning more about Irish but are put off by the politicisation of it. And others are fluent Irish speakers.

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Protestants feared "home rule would be Rome rule". They were proved correct. Pity they made a mess of the North at the same time.

If the country had left the UK in its entirety then it would have been less likely that the place would have become a theocratic hell hole at either end of the island. Prods and Taigs would have been better balanced. There's no way a million protestants would have allowed the place to be overrun by the bishops. It could have been like the founding of the United States where there were so many competing denominations that they just had to compromise on the religion thing and make the constitution religiously neutral.

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We once had a history teacher who was renowned for beating the crap out of pupils. It never crossed his mind that these youngsters would eventually grow up, and since he was such a short-ass he didn't seem to realise that his victims would end up bigger than him. When the inevitable happened and the kids grew up to be much bigger than him, he lost the ability to walk around the town without fearing for his safety. Any time a former pupil approached him to say hello in the street, he'd get as nervous as all hell because at the back of his mind he was wondering if he was going to get another dose of his own medicine.

That is pretty much the status with unionism today. It used to be that they feared an army of nuns and priests flooding over the border to convert them to the "one true faith." Today I think they're terrified that in a united Ireland they're going to get a taste of their own medicine with protestants sent to the back of the queue for public housing, "protestants need not apply" job ads in the paper, and council elections gerrymandered to within an inch of their life to obliterate all prod representation.

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General discussion / Re: Dirua
« on: May 07, 2019, 07:18:13 PM »
Are you doing this through an automated script or are you manually coming in here every day after looking up the rate?

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General discussion / Re: Elections North and South
« on: May 03, 2019, 09:06:42 PM »
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

Why would you represent a party when most of the leadership of the party think you are an abomination?? Makes no sense whatsoever. To be honest on either side.


Stockholm Syndrome? Or maybe she wants to try and fix the party from within.

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General discussion / Re: Elections North and South
« on: May 03, 2019, 07:26:32 PM »
Fergal Lennon of Aontú eliminated on the first count in the ABC council area. Looks like mandatory mass attendance and anti-abortion hardline attitudes aren't a winning formula.

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General discussion / Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
« on: May 01, 2019, 06:19:25 PM »
Unbelievable the amount of bluffing on both sides regarding councillors affecting Brexit. Aren't they more concerned with leisure centres and traffic lights?

Great question. In the ABC council area there's a big debate raging about the plan to build the new Southern Regional College campus in the Craigavon City Park by the balancing lakes. There's a lot of local opposition to this, and there have been big protests at the civic centre during council meetings, but I doubt if there'll be any change to voting habits on green/orange lines.

It's a shame too. There are a lot of issues beyond "leisure centres and traffic lights" that local councils still have some control over. A big problem in the ABC council area is the neglect of the Lurgan and Portadown town centres while more runaway development keeps getting approved at Rushmere "you can park here for free all day" Retail Park, sucking the commercial life out of the towns and sacrificing family businesses in favour of big corporations. I see big problems ahead for the way the old towns are being treated, but you try bringing that to the council's attention when everyone's obsessed with the constitutional question which is completely outside the jurisdiction of local government.

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Fun fact: Milwaukee Hurling Club has been using dual referees for years. Off-the-ball incidents are unheard of because there's always a ref facing them.

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