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No problem, it's a table that shows clearly what money can buy. It really is startling the change from 14 titles to 54. It's also a good reminder for all the Dubs who start celebrating their trophies and then boom! They remember they've been bought them all.
Bit disappointed in Peter Canavan's reaction to it on Talk Sport yesterday. Started off by basically saying Tyrone unfairly get the attention on these incidents. Seemed a paranoid response and a bad attempt to deflect from a question on what he thought of the Cavanagh incident.
For me the problem is highlighted in Rudi's post above. He's listened to how this all has been reported and has it in his mind that there was ugly scenes in the Moy v Edendork game that warrants both teams kicked out. He seems to be of the opinion that there was a full scale brawl in that game and that both teams should be kicked out of the championship (The fact that there wasn't a brawl would tend to lean me towards the conclusion that incident was an accident) Like how does someone arrive at the view that a bad tackle by one player should result in both teams being kicked out? I'm not blaming Rudi here but somehow, in the way this has been reported an unfair picture has been painted of that game in its entirety. Yes, there was sending offs and bad tackles but because a high profile player has been injured following on from a fight in a different game we have a scenario were every game is viewed through the lens of being "ugly". The Tyrone championship is one of the best in the country, 7 different winners in 7 years I think it was, the most competitive in the country where every team thinks they have a chance of progressing. Plus its do or die knock out after a summer sitting waiting for it to start. I'd recommend everyone who is hand wringing to go along and watch a game... you never know, you might just enjoy it.
That’s an aside MacDonald.
But seeing as you’ve just reinforced your stance with a maxim that “anything goes”, I’m just not sure where you’d draw the line between manning up and willingly executing physical pain on another human being.
I wouldn’t like to be your dog or your missus after you’ve had a few, that’s for sure.
So now I'm a wife beating, dog hitting alcoholic?? Wow wobbler.
No. You’re someone who openly welcomes violent acts on a football field. That’s all we know for sure. Everything else is me just wondering out loud about whether it’s a continual theme in your life, or if you’ve managed to confine it to GAA matches
Here comes the persecution complex.
Surprised it took this long.
He's bang on.
Where was the persecution complex?
You obviously have the mindset that Tyrone have that complex so you just roll out that line when you don't want or can't counter
I would imagine he means the last paragraph. And he would be right
FFS he was rebuffing a point that he had made there was no inferiority complex unless he was looking to set it up himself as a way out of the discussion
If I said that the popularity of Buckfast in Armagh was down to it being such a dire shithole would you just let the point go?
Here comes the persecution complex.
Surprised it took this long.
He's bang on.
Where was the persecution complex?
You obviously have the mindset that Tyrone have that complex so you just roll out that line when you don't want or can't counter
I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.
I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.
Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin
We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.
Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)
Dublin County and Dublin County Football team existed before the creation of these administrative areas. So neither can be considered an amalgamation 4 counties and it is moronic and/or intellectually dishonest to say that they are.
Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread
They aren't 'administrative areas'. They're counties. This game is inter-county. Getit? Good.
Its sensationalised bullshit
Best post on here.
Cavanagh is a self serving, egocentric Micky Harte wannabe.
Plays the poor wee me card looking to portray the sensitivity that gains him a reputation of a nice fella.....all the while publicising a book. Realistically people want to hear what he thinks of Harte and its very hypocritical of him lambasting Harte now when he was his biggest supporter when playing. To me this speaks volumes as to the type of character he is.
Some of this may be true but it doesn’t excuse the brutality inflicted on Cavanagh. Whatever you think of Cavanagh he was never a dirty player and from what I hear it was definitely not an accident.
If that Tyrone team were exposed to modern low risk football with a big focus on strength and conditioning they very much would have laid a glove on them and more. FFS the current Tyrone team only lost by 3 points to the current Dublin in Omagh with a number of players not near the level of Tyrone's noughties playersNo, because the Tyrone team of that time played nowhere near the level of the current Dublin team.Football moves on a lot in 10-15 years. That Tyrone team wouldn’t lay a glove on the current Dublin team.Yes because that Tyrone team would be too old now to lay a glove on the current Dublin team.
Kilkenny used 55 different players in winning All-Ireland hurling finals from 2000 to 2015.
I'd like somebody to tell me how that wasn't a conveyor belt, whether Kilkenny are dominant now, and what state hurling is in now.
People are arguing that Dublin's dominance is unprecedented. It would be unprecedented only for the fact that there is copious precedent there.
How many league titles did Kilkenny win during that period?
Did Kilkenny take the league seriously?
Do Dublin take the League seriously?
Responding to questions with questions and not answers is a sure sign your argument is flimsy. I’d say Dublin do
And why do Dublin take the League seriously and Kilkenny did not in their hay day?
Kilkenny used 55 different players in winning All-Ireland hurling finals from 2000 to 2015.
I'd like somebody to tell me how that wasn't a conveyor belt, whether Kilkenny are dominant now, and what state hurling is in now.
People are arguing that Dublin's dominance is unprecedented. It would be unprecedented only for the fact that there is copious precedent there.
How many league titles did Kilkenny win during that period?
Did Kilkenny take the league seriously?
Do Dublin take the League seriously?
No rule changes needed. Championship restructured. Then teams will believe they can win and therefore will go out and compete to do so. Div 3 or 4 teams can't beat Div 1 or 2 teams without trying to close the game down and not concede. That simple change would dramatically change the quality of games served up.
Kilkenny used 55 different players in winning All-Ireland hurling finals from 2000 to 2015.
I'd like somebody to tell me how that wasn't a conveyor belt, whether Kilkenny are dominant now, and what state hurling is in now.
People are arguing that Dublin's dominance is unprecedented. It would be unprecedented only for the fact that there is copious precedent there.
How many league titles did Kilkenny win during that period?
