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General discussion / Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
« on: February 14, 2020, 04:54:58 PM »
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

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Police in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I donít get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Mens rea can also be established if a an action is deemed so reckless that it showed disregard for human life.   Firing into a crowd of people could be adjudged to be such an action.

Joint enterprise could be invoked for taking the shells away to remove evidence.

/Jim.

Cheers for that. However, what is joint enterprise

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 14, 2020, 04:53:41 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

I have been going the 50 year Tom do I know them better than you. My husband a Mayo man says I often bias towards my county 🤣🤣🤣

Then you will have seen plenty of cynicism from Kerry.

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General discussion / Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
« on: February 14, 2020, 06:19:45 AM »
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

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Police in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I donít get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

Was it their intent to kill someone? Does the victim matter? Whoever brought the gun, used it to shoot at people to kill them, I donít think they were shooting for the craic. Had they shot a family member you might have a different view on it

I donít support them and hope that the people who done it go down but I donít see how they prove intent in this case and therefore murder. Intent is the key word. Motive may come into to I suppose. Iím not a legal professional at all, I done a bit of it while school but nothing more, hence my question. Are you?

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 13, 2020, 09:19:35 PM »
If Tyrone and Mickey were so clearly targeting Clifford, why did they wait until the 65th minute to unveil their masterplan, when Clifford had been booked in the first half? The media have declared Ben McDonnell was sent on to mark David Clifford (most probably don't realise he is a midfielder)- the play up until the incident Clifford had won a free in on the wing. Clifford's marker McNamee and Jack Barry were on the ground between the 45 and 21. Clifford had made his way towards the square where a number of Tyrone players had gathered to defend the free kick, and he encountered McDonnell.

What do you think you are doing using facts and logical against the anti tyrone bridage. Are you mad.



So they initially tried to get another sent off but what a bonus Clifford arrived and was trailed to the ground, They used to say Kerry were cute hoors. At what time was Harte sent off?

Nope, both McNamee and Barry got black cards, again no real camera evidence on what happened and how is started.

The only player sent off to that point had been Peter Harte on a second yellow, for an off the ball incident with another player who only received their first caution. Harte has a far bigger history of being targeted cynically from opposition players, indeed the last time they played Kerry he was systematically fouled at every instance right under the nose of the referee and nothing done about it. Harte was sent off about 10 minutes before not long after he picked up his first yellow.

There were also the case when McShane was introduced and his marker tried to start something with him straight away, hit him four or five shoulders, McShane didn't bother getting involved in the silly stuff with him.

The narrative is as one eyed as you expect when it's both Kerry and Tyrone involved, the facts of the matter don't seem to matter whatsoever. There is no conclusive evidence to say what happened but it doesn't stop people making their mind up.

I think Kerry have shown themselves to be the most cynical team in the country in the past few years but actual facts don't come into it in the propaganda campaign behind Kerry GAA.

Nonsense post.  Kerry have never engaged in cynical football.  We play football in the right way. No blanket defence.  Were the best kick passes in the game.  Our backs have always been pure footballers and never have to engage in sledging or cynical play.

 ;D ;D ;D

We wouldn't been cynical like the jackeens. Pinning and holding 14 players on David Clarke last kickout in final 2017

"Let's go back to the All-Ireland qualifier between Tyrone and Kerry in 2012. In the last 30 minutes, there were 14 occasions where Red Hand players were dragged down by Kingdom opponents following kick-outs."

Didn't see any dragging that day. A couple of our lads laid down a couple markers no cynical.  Tyrone were the ones that lost the head that day.

You probably weren't born yet.

I was 57 that year FYI

Wow, your comments are incredibly naive / childish for a grown adult.

I might  be slightly bias towards my county  but in my 50 plus following kerry I genuinely have never seen them play cynically.

Then you havenít watched Kerry play a lot

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General discussion / Re: More Dissident-Republican Activity
« on: February 13, 2020, 06:54:28 PM »
Man charged in connection with Lyra McKee murder

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Police in Northern Ireland have charged a 52-year-old man in connection with the murder of journalist Lyra McKee.

The man, who was arrested yesterday, has also been charged with possession of a firearm with intent to endanger life, and professing to be a member of a proscribed organisation.

He will appear at Derry Magistrates Court tomorrow.

PSNI Detective Superintendent Jason Murphy said: "I have always said a number of individuals were involved with the gunman on the night Lyra was killed, and while today is significant for the investigation the quest for the evidence to bring the gunman to justice remains active and ongoing."

Ms McKee was shot dead in Derry as she observed rioting on 18 April last year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0212/1114882-lyra-mckee/
somewhat sensationalist
the guys charged  is alleged to have picked up some spent bullet casings from the shooter.
far be it from me to be the judge but it will be interesting to see teh attempt to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty of murder

I donít get how he can be charged with murder? Surely there has to be intent and I doubt it was their intent to kill Lyra McKee. Maybe one of our legal professionals can explain it?

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 13, 2020, 06:51:36 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/its-unfair-to-single-tyrone-out-for-cynical-play-when-its-widespread-across-football-38949824.html

TL;DR

Tyrone don't have any manners!

Rich coming from a Derry one.

It's a Tyrone man saying Tyrone men don't have manners I'm not sure what your problem is?

Overall of course Tyrone aren't the only ones at it but let's not pretend other counties don't get the same scrutiny Kerry got plenty of stick at the time for Kennelly's elbow/Aidan O'Mahoney's dive etc. etc.

Tyrone deserve all they get for that crap at the weekend. They can't pretend they are 'holier than thou' then send a man on to cynically take out the the most promising forward in the country.

There's a really simple way of getting everyone off their backs for cynical play. . . stop f**king doing it!!!

Only leaves Tickle left. Has he been about?

Kerry have received very little attention on the Peter Harte sending off, in the same game, in similar circumstances.
Not that it matters, cynical play has been a part of the GAA for years and will be, same as most other team sports. As long as there's rules, teams will try to avoid them, use then, bend them, break them in the search to be more competitive.  Which is why we constantly see reactive new rules being implemented into the GAA.

What did Harte get sent off for

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 13, 2020, 12:51:43 PM »
Lads, when Kerry do what Tyrone cynically do itís called laying down a marker. Nothing more. Nothing less

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 12, 2020, 08:00:34 PM »
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

Charged with what? At giving off to officials? Been to any games recently? Happens in under12 games weekly!

He was more than giving off. When managers can get a 12 week ban for the same thing why arenít players? And maybe if players do get made an example of it will stop it happening at U12 games

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 12, 2020, 06:28:30 PM »
Has Clifford been charged yet for his reaction to the red card?

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: February 12, 2020, 05:24:36 PM »
Why are some teams on a break and others are not?

Every PL team gets a break. Some teams are on the second week of their break and will be back in action at the weekend.
Those who played last weekend are on the first week of their break now.

If theyíre doing the break they should have had it so all teams had their break at the same time

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford protection
« on: February 12, 2020, 11:00:04 AM »
Itís a fair take from Corey

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: February 11, 2020, 05:34:03 PM »
Going to be interesting to see how the US military stop overs at Shannon are dealt with. Will SF stand up to Trump and risk economic chaos

How would standing up to Trump over Shannon risk economic chaos

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GAA Discussion / Re: David Clifford
« on: February 11, 2020, 05:28:06 PM »
Best forward in the country. Aside from the sending off gave an exhibition of point scoring.

Is he tho?  Ether than say mannion or OíCallaghan for example

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: February 11, 2020, 11:03:45 AM »
Just wondering lads.


How does he make a living?

He has his own clothing business or something like that. Ilk clothing I believe itís called

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 2 - 2020
« on: February 11, 2020, 10:32:56 AM »
Jamie will play for Neasden gaels again this year
Whatís the issue
Their season hasnít started
The Tyrone saga is with Mc shane is nothing to do with Armagh

What does Clarke do for a living?

Does it matter?

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