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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: September 21, 2018, 09:47:21 PM »
Not fair to say May is clinging to power. Shes there because a Tory coup would likely bring a GE that the Tories would lose. So the Tories are saddled with her till such time as their poll numbers bounce, that could be in the region of years given the Brexit debacle.

May has to do very little to remain in power. Simply muddling along blindly is favourable to the Brexiteer clause as the article 50 d-day looms. No soft Brexiteers will take up the mantle whilst the hard brexit faction maintains such a grip on a balance of power.

Such a mess, it’s incredible it has come to this. Davis, Boris and Gove harnessing the Machiavellian concept of the Cultural Revolution, a small faction seizing power through the creation of social and political strife. A master stroke on their behalf to be fair.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
« on: September 20, 2018, 12:11:04 AM »
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Rule Change Needed to Stop Puke Keep-Ball
« on: September 18, 2018, 02:02:33 PM »
Non stop POSSESSION is the main problem! !!!

Yes, but non stop possession is on the basic principle of the ability to fist pass the ball rather than kick it, therefore the kick out is NOT the fundamental issue.

The problem with short kick outs are that it’s easy to win by the team in possession so the defending team automatically withdraw their forwards to the 45 where they stand a better chance of turning over the ball. A long kick out to the 45 would at least mean players would be committed to the midfield as opposed to inside their 45m.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 17, 2018, 07:00:47 PM »
Here comes the persecution complex.
Surprised it took this long.

A trite response.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 17, 2018, 04:19:21 PM »
Thats false equivalence. A) you were a kid,  B) they were your parents who raised you, clothed you and looked out for you.

These are grown men and it regards playing county football for a mildly successful team managed by a man who is routinely under a barrage of criticism and scrutiny. Dozens of players and coaching staff have walked away from Harte and gone to be highly successful afterwards in life, football and work. I don’t t if any of these men are in a crisis as to whether mumbiling the rosary and daydreaming through mass is an affront to their deeply held beliefs. And even if it were I’d question the sanity of men who’d persevere through such a moral crisis for the reward of a mc Kenna cup match or 15 mins against Carlow in the qualifiers.

You’re making this a personal issue. Personally youve objections to it but your projecting your moral objections onto a Tyrone panel who’ve to date only ever expressed apathy and a sense of inconvenience to it.

Look, I'm not blind to the fact that the landscape in Tyrone is a bit different when it comes to issues of religion, identity etc.
I can understand why people from your neck of the woods might think, 'Sure what's all the fuss about?'
There are far worse things in life than being compelled to sit in a church daydreaming for half an hour for the sake of team unity.
I go to plenty of funerals, weddings etc. to support my friends & family in times of happiness and sadness.
I don't take communion because I believe that would be incredibly hypocritical and also pretty disrespectful to those who genuinely believe.
My specific issue in the context of the Tyrone regime is the notion that players can freely opt in or out.
If they're going to mass and they want to go to mass, the best of luck to them.
If they're going to mass because they feel they've no choice in the matter, I think that's wrong.

What if some of them are going to mass because they want to go to mass and the rest, about half of them are going to support their friends and management just like yourself at weddings/funerals and do so with a sense of respect for the faith of their friends. Like if Harte and the religious players, who there are undoubtedly a few of, are  saying “lads it would mean a lot to us if we could go to mass as a group and say an odd rosary after a match” would you be the man to say “f**k that I’m dead against it or would you say “ara it’s all a load of makey up bollix but sure I’ll go along with it if it’s what the group want to do.”

There’s this ridiculous suggestion that there’s a cell of Tyrone players or potential players who are militant atheists  for whom the attendance at mass stands as a contradiction to their most sincerely held beliefs which they are forgoing for the “glory” of being a Tyrone player.

They’re a few lapsed catholics going along with the flow, it’s not lads gang-pressed in chains up to the face of the alter.



Also less of the “your neck of the woods” stuff, that’s a subconscious derogatory suggestion that rabid fundamental Catholicism is still the centre point of a “backwater” like Tyrone.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 17, 2018, 03:13:34 PM »
Thats false equivalence. A) you were a kid,  B) they were your parents who raised you, clothed you and looked out for you.

These are grown men and it regards playing county football for a mildly successful team managed by a man who is routinely under a barrage of criticism and scrutiny. Dozens of players and coaching staff have walked away from Harte and gone to be highly successful afterwards in life, football and work. I don’t t if any of these men are in a crisis as to whether mumbiling the rosary and daydreaming through mass is an affront to their deeply held beliefs. And even if it were I’d question the sanity of men who’d persevere through such a moral crisis for the reward of a mc Kenna cup match or 15 mins against Carlow in the qualifiers.

You’re making this a personal issue. Personally youve objections to it but your projecting your moral objections onto a Tyrone panel who’ve to date only ever expressed apathy and a sense of inconvenience to it.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Violence in Adult Club Football
« on: September 17, 2018, 02:50:59 PM »
A lot of you lads want to have your cake and eat it too. Ye can’t advocate schmoozles, melee etc but not want anyone to get hurt. Woolly did a podcast lately where pillar, mugsy and Barry Cahill sat around with a crowd gleefully recalling the battle of Omagh. The videos of Paudi o Se, 12 apostles, mickey Ned and Mick Lyons throwing punches are repeated here almost monthly with a sort of misty eyed romanticism of the days when football was “manly”.

You’re  basically all for rows and boys throwing punches into space but dead against it as soon as someone gets hurt. That’s like being in favour of drink driving as long as nobody dies or relaxing building codes so long as no building collapses.

Schemozzles- the GAA version of a victimless crime.

There’s a problem with violence in the GAA because there’s a romanticism about the “manly” days of GAA when refs existed solely to keep note of the score. You’ve to tackle this attitude at the source and that means less reverence of the old team “enforcer” or whole team brawls. I fully expect a week long supply of articles from the Brolly, Spillane l, o rourke brigade about how this didn’t happen in their day and within a fortnight they’ll be on the circuit regalling crowds with the story of mickey Ned raising the Sam Maguire from his hospital bed.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 17, 2018, 02:31:13 PM »
It's mad that this is even up for debate in 2018.
Believe what you want to believe, that's your business.
Don't make it anyone else's.

Agreed.

So why are people insisting the Tyrone panel shouldn’t go mass as a group if that’s there wishes?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 17, 2018, 11:52:58 AM »
Oh really? Why did you pick James McConnell?

Fair enough point - pick any preacher!

I'd let him join the youth team. 

If you are being genuine, then I would say fair play - I'm not so sure I'd feel the same, no more so than if the parish priest was coming into the club to say a rosary with the u14s before a championship final.  I go to mass weekly, so have no problem with religion per se. But I would have a major issue with it being foisted upon people who haven't asked for it. 

My major issue in all of this is that we assume that all gaelic footballers are catholic and that the only ones that would want to play are catholic.  Therefore, why wouldn't this be a problem.  That is a very dangerous assumption and that's what gets my goat about this.

To be honest you’re just foisting atheism upon your child the same way in which Harte is foisting Catholicism upon his team. So your kid wants to play soccer for a youth team and you refuse due to the religious habits of a senior side he might never have any involvement in? That’s shitty parenting.

What if your kid grows up to be agnostic and sees the dressing room prayer as a harmless way to foster team bonding? What if you kid grows up to be religious and sees the prayer sessions as an integral part of life?

Hartes managing a group of 22-30 year olds not pre-schoolers. If they’ve qualms about the religious elements of the experience let them voice it with Harte, their old enough to fight there own battles with an aging county manager in the twilight of his career. Enough of these one man crusaders against the slowly diminishing role of Catholicism in the GAA.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tyrone's noughties team would stuff the Dubs!
« on: September 17, 2018, 12:09:22 AM »
Considering a combined team between the two teams, I’d have Ricey, Cormac, Gormley and Jordan in defence and Cavanagh in midfield and only Kilkenny of the Dublin forward line would be good enough to squeeze into a unit including McGuigan, Dooher, Mulligan, O’Neill and Canavan. So in my biased view, we’d have 10 of a potential starting 15 which would suggest we’d have a chance at least.

If there's a combination of the two teams to be made it's the Tyrone noughties team and Dublin's county funding.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 16, 2018, 11:05:32 PM »
Are all Tyrone games not recorded now and streamed live? Someones bound to have a recording.

I had heard he had went up for a kickout and as he landed he met a shoulder. Again could be bullshit hearsay like 95% of talk on here.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Paul Kimmage interviews Sean Cavanagh
« on: September 16, 2018, 08:36:50 PM »
Edendork have being playing hatchet ball all year. Instigated a mass brawl 7 days ago when Trillick played them. One of our players had to get a couple of stiches, it’s par for the course for them.

I’d wondered where it all stemmed from then I heard who managed them. This behaviour is par for the course for Barton, spent the best half of his Derry managerial career jumping into brawls his team instigated.

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That’s not even mentioning his spat with clerkin which has childish as fcuk.

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I heard a thousand times how good Woolys podcast is from you lads on here, opened one a month ago and he was going on about hurling wasn’t any better than football. He was shouting and roaring at some hurler about how it’s not fair to compare the two etc etc. Such bullshit, Twas like two schoolboys arguing at the back of the bus. The man is a bit of craic but really he’s an overgrown teenager.

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