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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

« on: February 24, 2021, 10:47:40 PM »

Who Celtic be linked with (mostly by fans):
Martinez
Benitez
Lampard
John Terry
Sarri
Eddie Howe

Who’ll actually be in the running:
John Kennedy
Scott Brown
Gordon Stratchan
Mick McCarthy
Jackie McNamara
John Hughes
Paul Lambert

You don’t have Steve Clarke in either list so we can file this under the you dont have a clue what you’re on about list

I’m ssssoooooooooo Sorry! Should have stated explicitly that it wasn’t a definite list.

On Steve Clarke would he be so keen to get involved with an Old Firm team after his comments in the past when he managed in club football. Plus I’m sure after taking Scotland to the Euros he’d have sights set on the World Cup with Scotland.

But on the next list I’ll be sure to include him.

Pippo Giovagnoli must be in with a shout

Knows how to win in Europe, knows how to win trophies

Would he leave Dundalk though

Doubtful

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

« on: February 24, 2021, 10:42:47 PM »

Zealot seems to be the new buzzword of the frivolously offended

Simon will be happy he's back in vogue

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

« on: February 24, 2021, 06:46:54 PM »

Why won't people live in a fantasy land where there's no pandemic, if only everybody would do that things would be so much easier

It could be like Weekend At Bernie's

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General discussion / Re: Russophobia

« on: February 24, 2021, 06:04:50 PM »

In my view ultimately the Nazis were always going to lose in Russia because they were trying to control a vast space with a vast population, and they were hated

Long term or even medium term that was not sustainable no matter had they taken Moscow

Holding onto Russia would have drained them of resources to such an extent that they would have been sitting ducks on the western front

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

« on: February 24, 2021, 01:27:51 PM »

No offence but why would a top coach in Martinez, want to go to Celtic? Improve his impressive CV? not guaranteed CL football now that Rangers have got their act together.

Wages, having been with Everton and Belgium he'd been on a good wage I'd assume, would his wages be less at Celtic?

It would be a great addition to Celtic, always liked his approach.

Slippy will be gone soon. Maybe even this summer. If they make the CL group stage he might stay but he's sure to get an offer from England he's sure to take it. They are still built on sand so I wouldn't be too worried but them being overly strong (you want them to be somewhat strong though as otherwise what's the point).

Celtic offers easy access to European football - unless you can get one of the top jobs in England there are no easy routes down there.

You'd have to think they have someone in mind or maybe even someone in the bag already. Why else would they have allowed Lennon to limp on. They had to pull the plug now as there was a real danger that there would be an orchestrated campaign to boycott season ticket sales. In that regard Kennedy won't cut it. He needs to win a few games now and then maybe pick up a job at a smaller.

Rangers offers easy access to European football and they've been performing quite well in it over the last year and a half or so

So why would a bigger managerial name than Gerrard come to Celtic, yet Gerrard leave Rangers when he's about to get a crack at the Champions League

Doesn't make sense
 
I don't think Celtic have anybody lined up, hence Kennedy, they generally haven't had when they've had to make a change

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

« on: February 24, 2021, 11:08:51 AM »

Ruben Amorim of Sporting Lisbon is an up and coming young manager, they're leading the Portuguese league by a street

I highly doubt he'd leave for Celtic though

Benitez, Sarri and Villas boas are available

Slaven Bilic might be worth a shout

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General discussion / Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

« on: February 24, 2021, 07:55:07 AM »

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

So giving the parents of one of the Northern posters the same rights as Protestants is the same as legalising puberting blocking drugs for teenagers and rendering them infertile in the name of ideology?
Or is f**king up womens' sport OK becuase the Dubs also did it in mens gah?

Those against the rights of the "wrong" kind of people always use fear to demonise them

Good example here

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

« on: February 23, 2021, 11:03:38 PM »

Neil Lennon will always be a Celtic legend

Part of a brilliant team who reached a UEFA Cup final, a key element in turning around the 2007-08 season as a coach, and then a multiple title winning manager who beat Barcelona and Messi, all in the face of vile intimidation from opposition supporters

It's sad to see that today's equivalent of that yob at Hearts who attacked him are self declared Celtic supporters

But they are also self-entitled keyboard warriors

Walter Smith didn't suffer 1% of this treatment from Rangers supporters when he failed to win 10 in a row in 1998 - perhaps Rangers supporters were capable of seeing the big picture and the massive overall contribution to that club Smith had made

Far too many Celtic supporters are incapable of seeing that with Lennon

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

« on: February 23, 2021, 10:41:44 PM »

BJ is reviewing the the vaccine passport having dismissed it before, backtracking it seems.

I’ve people coming into work with lanyards on with the “vaccined” card

Hopefully this will increase the likelihood of going on holidays, entering bars and restaurants

Totally agree, it’d be great to know when you’re on a flight that everyone is vaccinated. It’d also be great there was a high uptake of the vaccine in countries you’re going to. I see some companies are requiring their employees to get the vaccine and that’s something I’m glad to see. People should be free to not take the vaccine but they shouldn’t be free to put other people at risk. If I’m in a crowded bar or restaurant I’d like to think everyone in there has had the vaccine.

All but one of our staff in the north have taken it, the roll out in the south making more difficult for our staff to get it, that’s due to their roll out plan

After all adults have been offered it, north and south then we can start to use the vaccine passport to access travel, pubs, restaurants, big sports events etc. Israel are already doing it, other countries will inevitably follow suit. It's the only way to safely open up fully.

Surely a vaccine passport goes against people’s human rights?

Same people here in favour of them would probably have no problem with kids being masked up all day in school either.

Surely passports go against human rights then?

Surely seat belts do?

Surely income tax does

If your to follow the logic that says a vaccine passport does

What about Ebola? Should somebody with Ebola be allowed on a plane?

Why would anybody have a problem with kids being masked up all day in school, it's a f**king mask, not handcuffs

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General discussion / Re: European Leagues.

« on: February 23, 2021, 10:35:03 PM »

Atletico Madrid had zero shots on target tonight and they are meant to be the best in Spain? La liga has regressed a lot.

Depending on the draw a good chance for two Premier league teams to reach the Champions league final again.

Bayern are way out in front. No English team will lay a glove on them.

Wouldn't be so sure about that

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General discussion / Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

« on: February 23, 2021, 10:33:27 PM »

The words "the Trans agenda" is like the DUP at their finest

Pesky Catholics looking for their rights, pesky blacks, and pesky trans people

Dangerous f**kers all, putting us white, straight Prods in danger simply by demanding rights

The natural hierarchy, with the white straight Protestant man at the top, is being disturbed

For shame, for shame

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General discussion / Re: The Official Golf Thread

« on: February 23, 2021, 08:30:18 PM »

Looks like he hit a tree on the central reservation and ended up on an embankment on the far side of the road

He'll be doing well to survive this never mind playing golf again

My brother who is a big golf nut said he looked out of it when interviewed at the tournament the other night

Wonder are painkillers or opioids to blame

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

« on: February 23, 2021, 02:32:32 PM »

No argument with you Sid on this really, but I will ask, is this not akin to the argument at the start of this thread (how long ago that feels now...) why didn't we "lock up" (protect) the elderly and the vulnerable vs letting the healthy younger population go ahead?

I do think certain members of the board however refer to this as full on no choice, physical vaccination BTW.

There was a clear winner of the lockdown/stringent public health measures v let it rip/laissez-faire argument

That argument was settled once and for all at Christmas

Younger people do not exist on a private island - they exist in society

We all have to share a planet - the American "libertarian" version of freedom, which is what the ideology that says there should be no consequences for refusing to be vaccinated is - is the road to destruction, to a Lord of The Flies version of humanity

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

« on: February 23, 2021, 02:20:06 PM »

To the people who are having doubts about the vaccine - or just downright refusing it.

You do know that if not enough people get it then the chances of it mutating into something else (and causing many many more lockdowns and deaths) is much higher - thats the way virus' work.

So if we just settle for some of the population getting vaccinated what is your solution to eradicate or reduce this virus?

Will you be content with more lockdowns when the time comes and it mutates?

I am just trying to see some logical rationale here and what your alternatives are.

Your fundamental point is incorrect.

The only verifiable upside of a vaccine is that it reduces severity of the virus. It does not reduce people cathcing it or transmitting it that has been proven yet. It does not stop the vaccine from mutating that been proven yet.

The whole premise of your argument is flawed.

For the likes of me, someone fit and healthy in the u40 category, there is no upside to the vaccine for me that would encourage me to take it? It's not going to save my life, all it might do is give me a rather milder dose of something that is not going to cause problems anyway. But yet there are a number of zealots here who demand people should not have free will to decide whether they want to get an injection or not and there are a lot of genuine grounds for people having reservations that people are ignoring. It's basically fascism that people are trying to force this vaccine on the general population.

I don't know if anyone will take that argument on with you Angelo. It's fair enough.

Look this is just going to be a life choice - You can't force people to have a vaccine, it's just immoral to suggest anyone take something they don't want to. That is the world, thankfully we live in.

I think we ran a poll here again recently and it was heavily in favour of those who would take the vaccine, but if you choose to not take the vaccine I would have no problem with you either. I'm 28, do I want to take the vaccine? Not particularly, will I take it if it gets me back to a decent life? Absolutely.

I do not agree with the forcing of the vaccine onto people via vaccine passports and this type of thing that is flying around. Surely there is a trade off to be made, if we have vaccinated the most vulnerable third of the population in Northern Ireland....isn't that what the aim was all along?

Will you wait till your children are old enough to make up their own decisions on the vaccines they should take at an early age?

You know that is not the same thing MTR2. It's an emotional viewpoint (and theoretical at this stage....!) so I can't give you an answer.

I'm not anti vaccination, I will take it surely. But I do not believe we should be allowed to force it onto others. It's not something I'll go to the grave arguing, but I don't feel we need to do this for something that statistically....you'll be be grand (if not 50+).

I realise that will upset those in the 50+ age bracket, but it's kind of a similar thing to hear if you are under and you know you'll be fine without a vaccination. We have locked down and put our lives on hold for whatever time it's been now to protect the vulnerable (and the NHS)....so now they are largely all sorted. Can we not go through the rest of the population who wants it....those that don't ?

You can't send them to the Gulags like Armaghniac proposes, that type of thinking can not and will not thankfully be taken seriously but are we suggesting we treat people who don't get vaccinated (for whatever reason) as outcasts? I mean that is ridiculous thinking, they might never get it in their lives anyway...

Nobody has argued that you should be physically forced to take a vaccine

What they are arguing is that society is entitled to take measures that advantage people who do get vaccinated and disadvantage people who do not

This is an argument between two competing visions of freedom

The vision of freedom where people are entitled to not have an unreasonable degree of risk thrust upon them against their will versus the vision of freedom where people are entitled to inflict an unreasonable degree of risk on others

It is essentially similar to the argument between climate crisis realists and climate crisis deniers

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General discussion / Re: China Coronavirus

« on: February 23, 2021, 01:56:52 PM »

We're rehashing a lot of old arguments around vaccines. But I will leave you with a couple of thoughts. Unless a large percentage of the population get vaccinated certainly greater than 70% we will never have normal. It'll be rolling maybe localised lockdowns as we deal with flare ups or even worse mutations. So what is your solution / alternative?
For those people who want a better society then nothing will improve your community more than you getting the vaccine. So you can complain about governments and their handling of this pandemic but to be offered this route out and then not take it is foolish. No government will stand for a health service being overstretched. BJ made it clear with English roadmap that the vaccination programme's success is key. If it starts to run out of steam then restrictions will continue.

Wobbler asked the question: "why would any young person get vaccinated?"

i) because Covid poses a threat to them, perhaps not a massive threat, but a threat nonetheless
ii) because Covid poses a greater threat to older people, and we all know and love or have loved older people, and they deserve a fair shot at living
iii) because we have to exist in society - and every person alive has an interest that society functions - and it cannot function with Covid running rampant

This is about basic societal solidarity, not horrible individualism

Therefore it is entirely appropriate that society puts measures in place which give advantages to those who are responsible and disadvantages those who are not

If your mother was in hospital, should she have the choice of being treated or attended to by somebody who has refused to be vaccinated

Should she have that information

What if she is not in a position to make that choice

To any reasonable person, the answer is yes, she should have that choice, or if she is not in a position to make that choice, her loved ones should

That is a real case of empowering society to make the best decisions

And if somebody who refuses to get vaccinated suffers from that, well, that's their choice, but they shouldn't expect there not to be consequences

“Societal solidarity”

“Empowering society”

“To any reasonable person”

Emotive language cannot mask the fact that the utopia you yearn for, demands that any citizen who refuses to succumb to your will, would be outcast. As societal policies go, the sheer black and white stance means it doesn’t get much more divisive than that.

Out of curiosity - and this is a genuine question not a fishing attempt - is there a percentage of the population you have in mind, that must agree with your approach, before it can be considered the will of society? Would 50.1% be enough? Would 70% be enough to trod over the wishes of 30%? I’m assuming that the feelings of the great unwashed wouldn’t be ignored.

So to you, the "reasonable" position is that Covid-positive medical staff should be allowed spread the virus to patients

That's your "utopia"

Figures