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General discussion / Re: Running
« on: March 07, 2018, 11:23:28 AM »
Doing the Carlingford Half marathon this weekend.  Was due to be last weekend but got postponed on account of the weather.

Has anyone ever done it before ? any advice would be appreciated.  Understand that it's a fairly flat route.

I've no big target in mind, just signed up to try and shift a bit of Christmas timber and haven't done as many practice runs as i would have liked but will give it a go.

I did Carlingford couple of years ago and it's an enjoyable event. Undulating is the word I think; lots of small hills, no really tough climbs and a nice run along the shore with great views of the Mournes towards the end. They provide tea and sarneys in the Four Seasons hotel afterwards. They could have provided more water points but maybe that's been addressed. They also donated the funds to worthy projects in North Louth.

Cheers for that Dubh, tea and sarneys for starters followed by a few pints of guinness will do me  :)

General discussion / Re: Running
« on: March 06, 2018, 10:55:54 AM »
Doing the Carlingford Half marathon this weekend.  Was due to be last weekend but got postponed on account of the weather.

Has anyone ever done it before ? any advice would be appreciated.  Understand that it's a fairly flat route.

I've no big target in mind, just signed up to try and shift a bit of Christmas timber and haven't done as many practice runs as i would have liked but will give it a go.

General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: March 06, 2018, 10:53:54 AM »
Fight is confirmed as going ahead, i think WADA's verdict on the tests supported Alvarez in that the amount of the PED in question was consistent with what would be found in contaminated meat.

His training camp has now been moved to the States.   It's not the first time a Golden Boy fighter has been victim of Mexican contaminated meat, Erik Morales was also the same.  I think next time someone is found to be guilty of it they won't be treated so leniently.

Speaking of drugs cheats (and i'm not saying that Alvarez is one) ... Luis Ortiz put up a great show against Wilder at the weekend.  In light of past indiscretions he was rigorously tested in the run up to the fight.  He bossed a lot of the fight and I thought he had Wilder gone in the 7th, Wilder's legs still seemed to be very unsteady at the start of the 8th.  But fair play to Wilder he took all the shots and rallied.

Wilder vs AJ makes for an interesting fight, if Ortiz jab caused Wilder problems then I think AJ's jab will be a nightmare for him.  He's lightning in comparison to Ortiz and won't tire like he did.  Having said that Wilder only seems to need that small window of opportunity to do some damage but i can't see AJ granting him that.

Eddie Hearn will be rubbing his hands at the prospect of that bout.  Been a long time since there was a buzz like this round the Heavyweight scene.  If that's fight made, it will probably be a Wembley job.  Unless you can afford the expensive seats, going is a waste of time.  Any of the cheaper seats you will just spend your time watching the fight on the big screen.

Khan vs Brook is likely to happen before the year is out as well, looking forward to that one.  I've probably called him a bell end once or twice on this board but in fairness to him Khan is rarely in a dull fight.

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: February 13, 2018, 11:35:16 AM »
Disappointing to not have them involved but fair play to them,  they don't have a long window to have those sort of summers and don't think anyone can begrudge them their decision.  Two key players and hopefully they will be involved for the long term.

Do you think players read some of the nonsense posted on here ?

I'd imagine the decisions of both lads were not set in stone and management hoped they would change their minds and gave them time  ... could be wrong about that but if their decisions were in the balance then it wouldn't be helped by going on this thread  .... fans can't be bothered leaving South Derry to watch a game being played in Celtic Park (even if the game gets called off because of the weather they still like to moan about it) .... it wouldn't exactly inspire most players to start putting the head down for training from November onwards ? it's a big commitment with not much reward / thanks / support at the minute.

The team no doubt is going through a big transition period at the minute and hopefully it will come good but I don't think the necessary time will be afforded to the current management unfortunately.

This year is probably going to take a bit of patience and "support"*

*This strange word entails travelling to games to watch your team and back them when things are not looking great.  Not that I can talk, I've become a bad fan and come this May will probably be symbolized by Fan 2 in the below hypothetical situation.

South Derry Man 1 (while this is a hypothetical situation, this man actually exists - he is from Moneymore, any Derry game being played, no matter where it is at, he is guaranteed to be there):
"Doesn't it make you proud to be from Derry ?"

South Derry Man 2 (after watching Trainspotting the night before and having to travel outside of South Derry for a game with a bit of a hangover):
It's SH!!TE being from Derry ! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the f**king Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into GAA civilization. Some hate Tyrone. I don't. They're just w@nkers. We, on the other hand, are DOMINATED by w@nkers. Can't even find a decent bunch of gaels to be dominated by. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a SH!!TE state of affairs to be in, and ALL the fresh air in the world and all the games in the world being played in Celtic Park won't make any f**king difference!

This hypothetical conversation takes place on the way to the game.

The fairytale ending would be that we win that Championship match on the 27th of May and Derry man 2 is converted and starts to believe again.  Might not happen this year though ...

Best of luck to the team for the forthcoming year.

P.S Celtic Park moaners  - there is a separate thread to get anything off your chest relating to Celtic Park ......  ( )

General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: November 27, 2017, 10:09:57 AM »
I'd say that's a fair summary LB.

It can work both ways though.  I believe Ricky Burns got similar advice when he terminated his contract early, leaving Frank Warren and joining Eddie Hearn / matchroom.  Frank Warren lodged proceedings which resulted in Burns being bankrupt.

Appreciate MR2 is trying to just state the facts here but in doing so he has also been overly kind to McGuigan.

Common denominator running through this whole saga is McGuigan's greed.  Once upon a time, Eddie Hearn was Frampton's promoter.  Like him or loathe him, he's the best promoter in boxing this side of the Atlantic.  Barry got greedy and wanted to wear not only the manager hat but the promoter hat as well and so Cyclone Promotions was born.  Frampton stayed loyal to McGuigan when he could have easily stayed with Hearn. With Cyclone being a family business, one fall out with any of them was never going to end well.

Who was responsible for the fall out ? I don't know the ins and outs of it but I really can't see Frampton ending his contract with Cyclone for no reason. 

All things considered I thought Barry would have been wise not to launch proceedings but he seems to have got greedy once again and gone for it.   I don't think Barry will come out of it well as it is played out before the public eye. 

The same day Cyclone launched legal proceedings, Carl was getting ready to go to Kenya with his wife to help out with Trocaire.  Says it all really.

General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: November 26, 2017, 06:59:52 PM »
Barry McGuigan and Cyclone promotions have launched legal proceedings against Carl Frampton in relation to their split earlier this year.

A statement released by Frampton’s legal representative, John Finucane read:

"Mr Frampton is deeply disappointed that Cyclone Promotions have decided to initiate legal action against him, however he will not only defend this action rigorously but can confirm he will be counter claiming on a number of grounds.

"Mr Frampton is confident that this process will vindicate his position and reputation, and looks forward to engaging fully in this process to present all aspects of this claim before the court.

"Therefore it would be inappropriate to issue any further comment at this time."

Bold move by Barry here, one that I think they will later regret. Boxers from here operate in a pretty tight knit circle. Not too many fighters will want to be doing business with them again.

In hindsight I think the prospect of a potential legal battle with the McGuigans was a major factor in Carl signing with Frank Warren, he’s not a bad man to have in your corner when it comes to a legal dispute he has a bit of experience over the years.

I'm sure this has been posted before but could any kind soul tell me what the actual status of the proposed plans are and what the envisaged timelines involved are, please.

Last I heard, Casement was still part of the Rugby World Cup Proposal plans.

Have revised plans been submitted for approval and if so when are they due to get the decision on it ?

General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: October 11, 2017, 01:45:13 PM »

No wonder the Golovkin vs Eubank Jr fight never happened !  An amusing story about Eubank Snr's demands to Hearn.  Hat tip to WhiskeySteve who sent it my way.

If anyone knows of any spare Frampton fights going could they PM me please.  Was third in the queue at a ticketmaster outlet and thought i was more or less guaranteed tickets.  Not even the first person in the queue got any tickets (well, ringside and the ridiculous priced tickets were left).  Must have all went on pre-sale but thought only a certain allocation could be sold on pre-sale.  if anyone has any going spare if they could PM me please.  Cheers

General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: September 19, 2017, 09:11:39 PM »
Frampton has signed an "advisory" deal with MTK (Matt Macklin)

This doesn't mean they are his new promoter but seem to be assisting him with getting a promoter.

MR - any idea what this means ?

Seems a bit strange, perhaps it is a similar arrangement to Mick Conlan, opening up the possibility of teaming up with an American promoter like Top Rank with MTK being the European representatives.

Dont think it makes a renewed partnership with Eddie Hearn likely now if MTK are involved.

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:25:55 PM »
Kerry were outstanding on the day, everything seemed to work for them.  Despite the scoreline they still left 2 or 3 goal opportunities behind them.  If the game was played another 10 times, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kerry won all 10.
With 11mins played Derry had the momentum after score 3points on the bounce to leave a single point between the sides.
10mins later and there is 11 points between the sides.  Clifford’s second goal where he had 2/3 men hanging off him yet still managed to score a goal.  The third goal.. Clifford was being forced away from the goals by good defence, but still he managed to pick out the runner and it was game over.
Derry could have played more defensively, they could’ve had 5 sweepers, they could have double marked Clifford.  All it would have done was kept the scoreline down.  We still wouldn’t have won it.  And the comments would be about Derry ruining the game and having a go at the tactics.
The thing that stood out for me was the speed of the Kerry players. There was a couple of things that stood out.  One of the Kerry players soloing up the pitch was moving away from the defender trying to chase him.  When it happened the other way around, the Derry players were easily caught.  On the 4th goal from the other Clifford, his run was being tracked even though he was going at a decent pace, but then he quicken for 5/10yrds to completely destroy his man.

Regardless of the result.  In the last 3 years Derry have won 2 Ulster minor titles and played in an All Ireland final.  Which for a county like Derry is a decent return. 
On the Coleraine lads, would you rather the chance of winning a prestigious All-Ireland Club title or an Intermediate county title?
On the exiles, anyone who wants to play for Derry should be given the opportunity to impress the new management.

It was actually junior. I don't blame the lads for playing in the sevens. Because they won Ulster junior two years ago they were unable to progress to Ulster junior this year. The final against na magha was pointless. Win or lose na magha would progress to Ulster. If it was an intermediate or senior championship match the boys most definitely would have played.

All the best to na magha lavey and slaughtneil in Ulster.

If you were one of those young lads not in the  elite athletic group in Coleraine surely you would feel badly let down though.  At the end of the day The Kilmacuds is a 7s competition for clubs who have been knocked out of their own championships and want a piss up in Dublin.  Don't think they would have been there had screen not beat them.

The dates for championship were set months ago. If eoghan rua wanted to play intermediate they shouldn't have finished last in the league.

Selling the prestige of the 7s just a bit short there ! Try telling someone from St Gall's or Bryansford that the 7s is a tournament for players after a piss up.  Ridiculous comment.  Eoghan Rua became only the third Derry team after Ballinderry and Bellaghy to win it.  Congrats to them.

Coleraine and Ballinderry (who put tournament favourites st galls out) played some great football during the tournament.

If it's a choice between a junior hurling final with no prospect of playing in Ulster or an all Ireland sevens tournament they had a good chance of winning , there's only going to be one winner surely.

I'm sure Coleraine didn't go into the league with intentions of finishing last, I dont think any team that finishes last in any league usually does to be fair.  I would hazard a guess and say that it wasn't as simple as that.

From speaking to a Coleraine man at the weekend I understand they applied for the fixture to be moved and na magha said no. 

Well done to Derry minors, the disappointing result shouldn't detract from what has not only been a good year but a good period for Derry minors reaching three Ulster finals in a row.

Hopefully McErlain is given a proper chance with Derry so that a few of the good young players he's seen emerge under his watch can make an impact on the senior team, that's not going to happen in one year.


Well done to Na Magha, Lavey and Sneil best of luck in Ulster.

General discussion / Re: Mayweather v Mc Gregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:44:25 PM »
Who did he convince he had a chance? maybe some idiots watching UFC flat out thought he had one but no body in the real world did.

There was more than a few idiots. The vast majority of money places on the fight was for McGregor.  You could argue that was placed in hope rather than expectation.

The fact that fight got sanctioned rather than get dismissed as a ridiculous mismatch says he convinced influential people.

Always question punch stats these days. Particularly after the pacquiao vs horn bout which stats had pacquiao clearly winning but the below bit was interesting:

"McGregor’s debut in the ring may have ended in heartbreak, but at least the Irishman has something to brag about.

McGregor’s effort against Mayweather saw him land more successful punches than Manny Pacquiao in his superfight against the undefeated star in 2015.

McGregor sits behind only Canelo Alvarez for the most blows landed on the 40-year-old in his 50-fight history."

I doubt the above could be true. 

General discussion / Re: Mayweather v Mc Gregor
« on: August 27, 2017, 12:07:41 PM »
McGregor did as well as he could have. 

In terms of anyone criticising for not pacing himself I think that's a bit harsh.  The guy has never had a pro boxing fight.  Boxers that go pro (even if they've got an extensive amateur fight background) would never go into a 12 rounder for their first fight. Usually starting off with a four rounder and building up to 12 over over four or five fights.

McGregor's biggest achievement was talking himself into getting a shot.

Mayweather eclipsing Marciano's record will always be a bit tainted for me.  Not a great way to achieve the record for him against a guy in his first pro fight but he is never going to turn down an easy lucrative pay day.

There was a bit of an outcry from many in the media about pros going in against amateurs for the Olympics on the basis it would be a mismatch.  Never was the same outcry about this one, McGregor was able to get the same people to overlook that by convincing many that he had a chance.  Fair play to him.

General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: August 22, 2017, 11:02:40 AM »
I think this has been on the cards for quite a while but the timing now could work in Frampton's favour.

Santa Cruz vs Mares II has fallen through.  That elusive trilogy fight could now hopefully happen.

Will be interesting to see what the new promoter / coach arrangement is.  Early chat is that it will be Frank Warren / Adam Booth.  They've had a couple of differences in the past but I wouldn't rule out a return to Eddie Hearn.  Any differences between them before was largely due to Carl's loyalty to Barry McGuigan who didn't see eye to eye with Hearn.  Barry from everything i've heard from various sources isn't the easiest person in the world to work with.  The only reason the Frampton vs Quigg fight happened is because Barry stepped out of the picture and let Jake and Blaine McGuigan handle negotiations with Hearn.

Hearn like him or loathe him is the best in the business as a promoter and there's a better chance of getting the big fights / paydays by working with him.  You only have to look at the recent example of Ryan Burnett from being homeless sleeping in his car after leaving Ricky Hatton to teaming up with Hearn and getting a world title shot.  Hearn would surely relish having both Belfast fighters on his books.

General discussion / Re: Mayweather v Mc Gregor
« on: June 19, 2017, 09:47:53 PM »
Fair play, he was yeah.  I don't think a lot of people would have remembered any of that undercard. It wasn't exactly a pick'em fight.  Lomachenko who was pretty much thrown in at the deep end on account of his amateur pedigree was in against tougher opponents in earlier fights - the likes of Gary Russel Jnr and Salido.  I was out in Vegas at the time and I can only remember being interested in getting a look at Santa Cruz as there was a lot of chat that he was a future opponent for Frampton. I was just trying to make the point that it doesn't matter what the undercard is, I don't think it will really influence PPV buys.  As for credibility, even a strong undercard won't win over the cynics - this will still be regarded by many people as a farce of a contest. If the fight itself is a patch on the build up to the fight it will be worth a watch. Don't hold out much hope for that but I will still watch it regardless.

General discussion / Re: Mayweather v Mc Gregor
« on: June 16, 2017, 11:31:45 PM »
watch the video of McGregor on the late late show 4 years ago - he made it to the UFC on a $20K to fight $20K to win contract, added some bonuses along the way...three years later he was the FW Champion of the World and the highest paid man on the roster....since then he added the LW title and made the Forbes Top 25 richest athletes....from the dole to that in about 4 years? And he's looking at in the region of $100million for this fight, a fight he talked himself in to.
I can only tip my hat to him.... I'll pay for the PPV - he deserves it. He'll more than likely be destroyed. But he doesn't care and neither do I...


It's a remarkable story. He not only talked his way into it, he managed to sell it to the Floyd Mayweather and the world. Saw a tweet from McGregor from 3 years ago (I think) which simply said "Get in. Get rich. Get out."   That's exactly what's he done.

I have to admit I didn't think this fight would come to pass ... thought that both fighters were happy to just be talked about, remaining current (more so Mayweather) and keeping the sponsorship deals intact. There is still a bit of me thinks it won't happen, some last minute injury putting the spoilers on it. Just seems ridiculous a guy who hasn't boxed professionally fighting Floyd Mayweather.  Not sure how this can be regarded as Mayweather's 50th fight.  Seems a bit of a fraudulent way to eclipse Marciano's record.

The timing of this is genius by Mayweather promotions / Showtime TV it completely overshadows two massive boxing fights.  Kovalev fights Andre Ward in a rematch of what was an extremely tight first fight this weekend ... nobody is talking about it.  A few weeks after Mayweather vs McGregor is due to take place the biggest fight in boxing is taking place ... Golovkin vs Alvarez and once again no one is talking about it.  De la Hoya and HBO are livid, that's the real reason De la Hoya has been so critical of this fight.

Saw a recent post saying that it would need a strong undercard ... nonsense.  The main fight breaks PPV records by itself when that happens no one cares about the undercard.  Can anyone remember who the undercard was for Pacquiao vs Mayweather ? As for Mayweather promotions looking to get Paddy Barnes on the undercard lol ... unless he is renewing his Olympics spat with Rory McIlroy and fighting him I can't see it happening.  Maybe Mayweather promotions will look to get big Martin Rogan on the bill instead ...

Iceman - what's your take on the McGregor having to put on 10 oz gloves ... surely that's a world of difference from UFC mitts and will nullify his power ?

Do you think McGregor would be able to last the 12 rounds ?

The bookmakers odds seem to be tightening all the time.  Some bookies have McGregor as short as 4/1 and as the hype train goes full steam as August 26th gets closer I think those odds will shorten.  I don't know how anyone could touch McGregor at 40/1. People talk about anyone in a ring can have a puncher's chance but forget about Buster Douglas, if this fight does actually happens and McGregor gets his hand raised it would have to be the biggest upset of all time.

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