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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 15, 2018, 06:46:02 PM »

Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

Howard had previous convictions of a similar nature to what he was accused with regard to Arkinson, but it wasnt allowed to be revealed in court. On the flip side though, i know that Black was an evil sc**bag but the logic applied for his conviction doesnt sit well with me either. Surely there is a higher threshold of evidence required for a murder conviction than the fact he was in that town on the day of the murder.

Evidence plenty if you study the case

Was the receipt not the key evidence though?

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 15, 2018, 12:41:55 PM »

Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

That's correct. Was strange the Black trial but verdict 100% right imo. Don't think there was a child murder of that nature before for decades here or since and he was in area at the time. Wicked individual.

In addition to what BCBhas said There are ways for the prosecution to adduce defendants bad character. Without getting into technical details the convictions they have to adduce must be either similar fact convictions ie convictions for the same or similar offences and with the same or similar circumstances or they must show that the defendant has a propensity to commit this type of offence for example if they are a notorious shoplifter. The evidence will be kept from the jury except in those three scenarios on the basis that the jury should try the case on the basis of the evidence in a particular trial and not on the basis of what's been done previously.

Howard had previous convictions of a similar nature to what he was accused with regard to Arkinson, but it wasnt allowed to be revealed in court. On the flip side though, i know that Black was an evil sc**bag but the logic applied for his conviction doesnt sit well with me either. Surely there is a higher threshold of evidence required for a murder conviction than the fact he was in that town on the day of the murder.

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 15, 2018, 10:26:59 AM »

Just something that popped into my head regarding the key difference in the Robert Howard and Robert Black trials. No evidence on Black for the Curdy murder really, yet his past was the reason he was convicted. Jury in Howards trial were not allowed to be told of his previous murder convictions though and he got off.

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 15, 2018, 10:14:43 AM »

The trial was always going to run its whole course. The Prosecution has reserves aboutnit and that came directly to me from the mouth of a member of the PPS. They had serious concerns over the conduct of the investigation by the police and that was clear due to how some of the evidence was accumulated. It was a poor trial and maybe it may have been different if the police had carried out their job correctly but it is what it is and that will never change. They were found not guilty and the door has now closed on their case and the next stage of their lives and the complainants will now begin. This has been talked to death and I’ve nothing left to say.

But a judge can direct a jury to acquit and the defence can apply for a Galbraith ruling to have the charges dismissed.

I'm not sure about the latter, but the former is a not uncommon occurrence.

In your post, you state that "it may have been different had the police carried out their job correctly".

Well, there we go. And some folks wonder why there were protests, eh.

Both are becoming more and more uncommon in recent years. There's a judgement from last year about how if there's any chance a jury can convict (as opposed to will or should convict) then the matter should be left to the jury. The judgement was to do with the murder of Robert Hamil.

Genuine question - why in some trials can previous convictions be revealed and used and in others they cant?

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General discussion / Re: Biggest Sh*thole in Ireland (2018 Edition)

« on: April 15, 2018, 10:12:56 AM »

Right that’s enough nominations
Time for a shortlist everyone pick one town from your county
And than some voting
For Antrim I nominate Moss side

Antrim-mossside
Down-
Derry
Armagh
Tyrone
Fermanagh
Monaghan
Cavan

Ulster champs make it through to nationals

You forgot Donegal. Are there not any kips in Donegal.

Been all over Donegal not a bad town in it

Bundoran

Never been to Lifford, Carrigart, Raphoe or Convoy?

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 14, 2018, 11:37:52 PM »

They cant be sacked for taking part in a threesome, therefore their private messages got them sacked. Surprised Gilroy was treated differently. Should every employee now be cautious over what they text or whatsapp as it could get you in bother with your employers?

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General discussion / Re: TV Show recommendations

« on: April 14, 2018, 08:48:42 PM »

I watched right up until about series 4 i think of Breaking Bad but it just wasnt doing it for me.
The sinner is good i forgot about it.
Watching shooter at the minute , its decent enough.
Think blindspot will be my next. Have heard good reports.

Anyone recommend The Bridge? or is it the same as The Tunnel?

Wentworth is a bloody brilliant series. Highly recommend it. My favourite out of all ive seen i think.

Shooter is a decent watch, easy viewing although I hear there has yet to be another series as Ryan Philippe broke his leg just before shooting of the next series

Shooter is ok. He broke it during season 2 hence the random season ending.

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General discussion / Re: Commonwealth Games

« on: April 13, 2018, 08:14:39 AM »

NI win their first medal on the track since 1986 (and first athletics medal since 1990) with Leon Reid's bronze in the 200m.  English favourite Zharnel Hughes was disqualified from 1st place moving Reid up from 4th.

Is he Northern Irish though?

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 12, 2018, 03:56:46 PM »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rugby-must-deal-with-derogatory-behaviour-rape-crisis-centre-1.3459365?mode=amp

Irish rugby has to deal with “disrespectful and derogatory” behaviour of role models if it wants to be seen as embodying the best spirit of Ireland, a leading rape campaigner has said.

Noeline Blackwell, chief executive of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre, said it is a “shame and a pity” that some people are calling for an end to the continuing controversy over the rugby rape trial.

The human rights lawyer said there was a “whole lot of moral harm” that has yet to be addressed amid the fall-out from the high profile case and that a full examination was needed of the behaviour of role models.

“Here is the opportunity for all of us to grow a respect for each other, to build a better understanding of how young men talk about themselves and young women,” she told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.

I take it she hasnt watched the show EX on the Beach? Caught a glimpse of it the other day, the talk of the girls on that show would make your face turn red!! Never mind private messages this girl and the others were giving it large to a camera!!

Even if they were acquitted their behaviour was broadcast to everyone.
That is why the IRFU is in such a bind. Maybe other people are worse in private. That is private. The spit roasting is not.

But the spit roasting did happen in a private residence and the messages were private too.  A false allegation has allowed everything to be made public.  Surely that is not the fault of Jackson etc and wouldn't break any morality clause in a contract?

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General discussion / Re: Biggest Sh*thole in Ireland (2018 Edition)

« on: April 12, 2018, 03:51:48 PM »

I have lived in and around Strabane, Portstewart, Lurgan and Dungannon in my time and work near Portadown at the minute.  Lurgan is not as bad as its made out to be, got more going for it than Dungannon and Portadown.  Strabane is not as bad either.  I take it posters here haven't been to places like Carrickmore, Newtonstewart, Castlederg, Middletown, Derrynoose, Limavady or Coalisland?

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General discussion / Re: Paddy Jackson apology

« on: April 11, 2018, 08:21:44 AM »

I remember it happened to OJ Simpson as well. He got cleared and was vilified and ostracised afterwards...

Double murder and a threesome? Are you for real?

What's the differnce? Both trials conducted on their own merits. OJ walked and the Jackson trio walked. No consistency thinking that OJ got away with murder and Jackson and co. didn't get away with rape. You might think that a  gang- bang on an 19 yr old girl is not a big deal- but this girl obviously was not a willing participant. Does a girl have to be killed or badly beaten before there is a conviction? It appears like there is no point police or procecution bothering with a case otherwise.
 
Maybe the whole thing about definition of rape needs to be looked at? The message seems to be that unless a girl is destroyed by a phycho, forget about it, she were asking for it. You happy with that? Ever wonder in a lot of cultures around the world that girls are subjected to genital mutilation, others forced to wear burkas and hijabs and be chaperoned by family?
 The thing that a lot of people are missing in this story is the lack of care and responsibility there was towards that girl. Girls have freedom here that they don't have in other parts of the world and that should be cherished, not taken advantage of. Jackson had a duty of care for that girl in his house and he fucked up. Their 'apologies' afterwards acknowledged that to an extent. 

The girl is an adult, it is her responsibility to look after herself, its wasn't up to Jackson or anybody else.  He probably 'f*cked up' in allowing strange girls into his house and probably won't make that mistake again.  As for the 'gang-bang' or whatever you want to term the incident that played out that night, the jury found that she was a willing participant. 

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Kilkenny

« on: April 10, 2018, 10:50:38 AM »

Tipp were missing quite a few key players though.

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General discussion / Re: man city new invincibles

« on: April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM »

While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Colleges

« on: April 07, 2018, 08:51:59 PM »

Referee was terrible. St Ronans seemed intent on kicking it away, better team and players alot better conditioned. Surprised to see tye Mayo school take off their best forward.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Colleges

« on: April 03, 2018, 02:58:06 PM »

Are there not 6 in Lurgan?